Anthony Atala: Growing new organs

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翻译人员: Ni Zhang 校对人员: Xiaoqiao Xie
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This is actually a painting
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这实际上是一幅画,
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that hangs at the Countway Library at Harvard Medical School.
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它挂在哈佛医学院Countway图书馆的墙上
00:21
And it shows the first time an organ was ever transplanted.
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记录了第一次器官移植。
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In the front, you see, actually, Joe Murray
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在前面,你看,那是约翰.穆雷
00:28
getting the patient ready for the transplant,
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正为病人做准备,接受移植
00:30
while in the back room you see Hartwell Harrison,
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在房间后面,你会看见哈德威.哈罗孙
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the Chief of Urology at Harvard,
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哈佛医学院泌尿科主任
00:35
actually harvesting the kidney.
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正在摘除肾脏。
00:37
The kidney was indeed the first organ
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这个肾脏是第一个
00:39
ever to be transplanted to the human.
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移植到人体上的器官。
00:41
That was back in 1954,
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这发生在1954年
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55 years ago.
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55年前,
00:46
Yet we're still dealing with a lot of the same challenges
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那时他们正应对非常多挑战,
00:49
as many decades ago.
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如同多年前一样。
00:51
Certainly many advances, many lives saved.
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当然有很多进步,拯救了很多生命,
00:54
But we have a major shortage of organs.
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但我们却非常缺乏器官。
00:58
In the last decade the number of patients
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在过去十年,等待移植的病人数量
01:01
waiting for a transplant has doubled.
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已经翻倍,
01:04
While, at the same time, the actual number of transplants
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但与此同时,移植的数量
01:06
has remained almost entirely flat.
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却基本不变。
01:09
That really has to do with our aging population.
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这主要是因为我们老龄化的人口。
01:11
We're just getting older.
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我们正在变老。
01:13
Medicine is doing a better job
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医疗效果变好了,
01:16
of keeping us alive.
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使我们能活得更长。
01:18
But as we age, our organs tend to fail more.
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但随着我们变老,器官也越来越容易生病
01:21
So, that's a challenge,
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所以,这是一个挑战。
01:23
not just for organs but also for tissues.
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对于器官,组织都是如此。
01:25
Trying to replace pancreas,
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试图替换胰腺,
01:28
trying to replace nerves that can help us with Parkinson's.
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试图替换神经,来帮助治疗帕金森综合症,
01:33
These are major issues.
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那些是主要的组织。
01:35
This is actually a very stunning statistic.
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这事实上是非常惊人的数据,
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Every 30 seconds
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每30秒钟
01:41
a patient dies from diseases
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就有一个病人死于
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that could be treated with tissue regeneration or replacement.
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可用替换组织治疗的疾病。
01:48
So, what can we do about it?
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那,我们要怎么解决?
01:51
We've talked about stem cells tonight.
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今晚我们已谈论了干细胞
01:53
That's a way to do it.
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这是一个解决的办法。
01:55
But still ways to go to get stem cells into patients,
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但仍需方法把干细胞植入病人体中。
02:00
in terms of actual therapies for organs.
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如果说我们要真(用干细胞)治疗(得病了的)器官。
02:03
Wouldn't it be great if our bodies could regenerate?
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若我们的身体能再生岂不是很好?
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Wouldn't it be great if we could actually harness the power
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若我们能管理身体的力量
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of our bodies, to actually heal ourselves?
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来治愈自己,岂不是很好?
02:14
It's not really that foreign of a concept, actually;
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事实上,这不是一个怪异的概念,
02:17
it happens on the Earth every day.
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每天地球上都在发生。
02:21
This is actually a picture of a salamander.
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这是火蜥蜴的一幅图片,
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Salamanders have this amazing capacity to regenerate.
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火蜥蜴就有这种自我再生的奇特能力。
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You see here a little video.
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请看这个小片段
02:30
This is actually a limb injury in this salamander.
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这是火蜥蜴腿上受的伤
02:34
And this is actually real photography,
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这是一幅真的图片,
02:36
timed photography, showing how that limb regenerates
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按时间排列的照片,展示了受伤的腿
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in a period of days.
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经过一段时间后再生的过程。
02:41
You see the scar form.
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请看这个伤疤,
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And that scar actually grows out
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这个伤疤会长出来
02:46
a new limb.
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一条新腿。
02:48
So, salamanders can do it.
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所以,火蜥蜴能做到再生。
02:50
Why can't we? Why can't humans regenerate?
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为什么我们不能?为什么人类不能再生?
02:53
Actually, we can regenerate.
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事实上,我们可以再生。
02:57
Your body has many organs
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你的身体有很多器官。
03:01
and every single organ in your body
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你身体的每一个器官,
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has a cell population
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都有一定数量的细胞
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that's ready to take over at the time of injury. It happens every day.
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在你受伤时,会进行替代。这每天都在发生。
03:10
As you age, as you get older.
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当你变老,
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Your bones regenerate every 10 years.
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你的骨骼会每十年再生一次,
03:16
Your skin regenerates every two weeks.
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你的皮肤每两周再生一次。
03:19
So, your body is constantly regenerating.
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所以,你的身体一直再进行着再生。
03:21
The challenge occurs when there is an injury.
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当受伤时,我们就有挑战了。
03:23
At the time of injury or disease,
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当受伤或生病时,
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the body's first reaction
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身体的第一个反应
03:29
is to seal itself off from the rest of the body.
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是将这部分与身体其它部分隔离开
03:32
It basically wants to fight off infection,
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来抵抗感染。
03:34
and seal itself, whether it's organs inside your body,
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进行治疗,你身体内的器官
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or your skin, the first reaction
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或是你的皮肤,第一个反应
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is for scar tissue to move in,
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就是让伤疤组织行动
03:43
to seal itself off from the outside.
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与外界进行隔离
03:47
So, how can we harness that power?
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那我们要怎么管理这种能力呢?
03:49
One of the ways that we do that
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方法之一是
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is actually by using smart biomaterials.
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使用智能生物材料
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How does this work? Well, on the left side here
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这是怎么生效的呢?在左边
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you see a urethra which was injured.
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是一个受伤的尿道
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This is the channel that connects the bladder to the outside of the body.
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这是连接膀胱与身体外部的通道。
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And you see that it is injured.
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你看它已经受伤
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We basically found out that you can use these smart biomaterials
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基本上,我们发现你可以使用那些智能材料
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that you can actually use as a bridge.
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(在受伤的地方)作为桥梁。
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If you build that bridge, and you close off
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受伤的组织会(愈合然后)
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from the outside environment,
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与外部环境隔离开来,
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then you can create that bridge, and cells
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有了这座桥梁,
04:22
that regenerate in your body,
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你身体内再生的细胞
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can then cross that bridge, and take that path.
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可以爬上这座桥,用它作为通道(来重建尿道)。
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That's exactly what you see here.
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这就是你现在看到的事实
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It's actually a smart biomaterial
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这实际上是一个智能生物材料。
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that we used, to actually treat this patient.
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我们使用它治好了这位病人。
04:34
This was an injured urethra on the left side.
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这是在左边的一个受伤的尿道。
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We used that biomaterial in the middle.
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我们在中间使用智能材料,
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And then, six months later on the right-hand side
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6个月后,在右边,
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you see this reengineered urethra.
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你看这是再生的尿道。
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Turns out your body can regenerate,
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其实我们的身体可以再生
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but only for small distances.
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但只能在小距离的情况下
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The maximum efficient distance for regeneration
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再生细胞能走的最大距离
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is only about one centimeter.
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是1厘米。
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So, we can use these smart biomaterials
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所以,我们可以用这些智能材料
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but only for about one centimeter
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进行1厘米的再生
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to bridge those gaps.
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来治愈这些伤口
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So, we do regenerate, but for limited distances.
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所以,我们可以再生,但只能短距离再生
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What do we do now,
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我们怎么做才能(治疗病人)
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if you have injury for larger organs?
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如果你有大一点的器官的损伤呢?
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What do we do when we have injuries
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我们该怎么做
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for structures which are much larger
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当受伤的组织
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than one centimeter?
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大于1厘米时?
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Then we can start to use cells.
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我们可以使用细胞
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The strategy here, is if a patient comes in to us
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现在战略是,如果一个病人向我们求诊
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with a diseased or injured organ,
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他有得病或受伤的器官。
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you can take a very small piece of tissue from that organ,
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你从那个器官上取下非常小的一块组织,
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less than half the size of a postage stamp,
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比邮票的一半还小,
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you can then tease that tissue apart,
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然后分离这块组织
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and look at its basic components,
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研究它的基本成分,
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the patient's own cells,
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也就是这个病人自己的细胞。
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you take those cells out,
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你把这些细胞取出来
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grow and expand those cells outside the body in large quantities,
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在身体外,进行大量繁殖,生长,
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and then we then use scaffold materials.
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然后我们使用一种支架材料
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To the naked eye they look like a piece of your blouse,
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用肉眼看,它们像你外套或衬衣的一块布。
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or your shirt, but actually
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但事实上
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these materials are fairly complex
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这些材料相当复杂。
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and they are designed to degrade once inside the body.
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一旦植入身体,在数月后
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It disintegrates a few months later.
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它们会降解。
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It's acting only as a cell delivery vehicle.
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这就像是一个细胞运输机
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It's bringing the cells into the body. It's allowing
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它把细胞带入到身体内。
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the cells to regenerate new tissue,
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使细胞能创造新的组织
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and once the tissue is regenerated the scaffold goes away.
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一旦组织形成,这个支架就会消失。
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And that's what we did for this piece of muscle.
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这就是我们为这块肌肉进行的治疗。
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This is actually showing a piece of muscle and how we go through
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这展示了一块肌肉,以及我们
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the structures to actually engineer the muscle.
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怎么通过这些支架来建造肌肉。
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We take the cells, we expand them,
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我们取出一些细胞,扩展他们
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we place the cells on the scaffold,
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我们把这些细胞放在一块支架上,
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and we then place the scaffold back into the patient.
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然后把整个支架放回到病人体内。
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But actually, before placing the scaffold into the patient,
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事实上,在我们把这块支架放在病人身体里之前,
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we actually exercise it.
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我们要锻炼它。
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We want to make sure that we condition
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我们要保证我们
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this muscle, so that it knows what to do
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教会肌肉,这样它就知道
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once we put it into the patient.
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放进体内后要做什么。
06:37
That's what you're seeing here. You're seeing
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这就是你现在看到的情况。
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this muscle bio-reactor
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你看,这是肌肉生物反应装置,
06:41
actually exercising the muscle back and forth.
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它在让肌肉做前后拉伸练习。
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Okay. These are flat structures that we see here,
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好的。那些就是我们现在看到的平面结构
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the muscle.
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肌肉
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What about other structures?
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那其他结构呢?
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This is actually an engineered blood vessel.
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这是一个人造的血管
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Very similar to what we just did, but a little bit more complex.
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非常类似于刚才的情况,但更复杂
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Here we take a scaffold,
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现在我们有一个基底材料
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and we basically -- scaffold can be like a piece of paper here.
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基本上我们--这里基底材料可以像一张纸
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And we can then tubularize this scaffold.
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然后我们能把它做成管状
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And what we do is we, to make a blood vessel, same strategy.
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我们用同样的战略来造一根血管。
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A blood vessel is made up of two different cell types.
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血管由两种不同的细胞组成
07:15
We take muscle cells, we paste,
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我们取下肌肉细胞,进行粘贴,
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or coat the outside with these muscle cells,
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或把细胞涂在外部。
07:20
very much like baking a layer cake, if you will.
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非常像制作一层蛋糕。
07:23
You place the muscle cells on the outside.
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你把肌肉细胞植在外部,
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You place the vascular blood vessel lining cells on the inside.
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你把血管细胞植在里面。
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You now have your fully seeded scaffold.
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现在你就有一个内外都植入细胞的基底材料。
07:33
You're going to place this in an oven-like device.
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接下来,把它放在一个像烤箱的设备里。
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It has the same conditions as a human body,
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它的环境跟人体类似:
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37 degrees centigrade,
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37度
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95 percent oxygen.
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95%的氧气。
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You then exercise it, as what you saw on that tape.
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然后让它练习,就像你在那个录像里看到的一样
07:46
And on the right you actually see a carotid artery that was engineered.
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在右边,你看到的是一个造好的颈动脉
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This is actually the artery that goes from your neck to your brain.
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它是从颈部延伸到脑部的血管。
07:52
And this is an X-ray showing you
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这张X光片给你展示了
07:55
the patent, functional blood vessel.
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一个病人的健全的血管
07:58
More complex structures
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更复杂的结构
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such as blood vessels, urethras, which I showed you,
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比如我之前给你们看的血管,尿道
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they're definitely more complex
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他们绝对更复杂
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because you're introducing two different cell types.
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因为你要引进两种不同的细胞
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But they are really acting mostly as conduits.
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但大部分时候,他们真的像管道一样运行
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You're allowing fluid or air to go through
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你要允许液体,气体通过
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at steady states.
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并要稳定的速度。
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They are not nearly as complex as hollow organs.
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他们远没有中空器官复杂。
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Hollow organs have a much higher degree of complexity,
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中空器官更加复杂,
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because you're asking these organs to act on demand.
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因为那些器官要根据要求来工作。
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So, the bladder is one such organ.
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而膀胱就是这种器官。
08:24
Same strategy, we take a very small piece of the bladder,
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用同样的战略,我们取下膀胱的一小片组织
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less than half the size of a postage stamp.
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比邮票的一半还小
08:29
We then tease the tissue apart
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然后我们把这片组织分解成
08:31
into its two individual cell components,
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两个独立的细胞成分
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muscle, and these bladder specialized cells.
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肌肉以及那些膀胱特有的细胞
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We grow the cells outside the body in large quantities.
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在体外,大量培植那些细胞
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It takes about four weeks to grow these cells from the organ.
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它们的生长大约需4周时间
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We then take a scaffold that we shape like a bladder.
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然后我们用一个智能材料,做成膀胱形状
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We coat the inside with these bladder lining cells.
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在内部,我们把衬细胞植入
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We coat the outside with these muscle cells.
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在外部,我们植入肌肉细胞
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We place it back into this oven-like device.
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我们把它放回到这个像烤箱一样的装置
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From the time you take that piece of tissue, six to eight weeks later
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在你取下这片组织的6到8周后
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you can put the organ right back into the patient.
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你就能把器官植入到病人体中
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This actually shows the scaffold.
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这展示了智能材料
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The material is actually being coated with the cells.
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这个材料外部布满了细胞
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When we did the first clinical trial for these patients
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我们对病人进行第一次临床试验
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we actually created the scaffold specifically for each patient.
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我们为每个病人制造特殊的智能材料。
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We brought patients in,
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我们让病人来医院,
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six to eight weeks prior to their scheduled surgery, did X-rays,
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在他们手术日期前的6到8周,进行X光检查
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and we then composed a scaffold specifically for that patient's size
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然后我们制造符合该病人尺寸的特殊材料
09:22
pelvic cavity.
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根据他们的盆腔尺寸。
09:24
For the second phase of the trials
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试验的第二阶段
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we just had different sizes, small, medium, large and extra-large.
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我们就只是预备了不同的型号,小号,中号,大号,特大
09:29
(Laughter)
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(笑)
09:32
It's true.
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真的。
09:34
And I'm sure everyone here wanted an extra-large. Right?
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我想大家都想要加大号,是吧?
09:37
(Laughter)
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(笑)
09:39
So, bladders are definitely a little bit more complex
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所以,膀胱肯定比其它结构
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than the other structures.
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更复杂。
09:44
But there are other hollow organs that have added complexity to it.
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但现在有一些中空器官复杂性更多。
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This is actually a heart valve, which we engineered.
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这是我们制造出的一个心脏瓣膜
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And the way you engineer this heart valve is the same strategy.
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我们用同样的战略制造这个心瓣膜。
09:53
We take the scaffold, we seed it with cells,
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我们有智能材料,我们植入细胞,
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and you can now see here, the valve leaflets opening and closing.
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你看,这些瓣膜小叶正一开一合。
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We exercise these prior to implantation.
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在植入人体前,这些材料会得到锻炼,
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Same strategy.
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同样的战略
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And then the most complex are the solid organs.
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最复杂的是实质器官
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For solid organs, they're more complex
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实质器官更复杂
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because you're using a lot more cells per centimeter.
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因为他们每厘米使用的器官更多
10:12
This is actually a simple solid organ like the ear.
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这是一个简单的实质器官,像耳朵
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It's now being seeded with cartilage.
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现在植入了软骨
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That's the oven-like device;
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那是那个像烤箱一样的装置
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once it's coated it gets placed there.
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植入细胞后,我们就把整个材料放入其中,
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And then a few weeks later we can take out the cartilage scaffold.
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数周后,我们就能取出这个特殊材料。
10:26
This is actually digits that we're engineering.
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这记录了我们的制造过程,
10:28
These are being layered, one layer at a time,
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我们植入很多层,一次一层,
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first the bone, we fill in the gaps with cartilage.
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首先是骨头,我们在缝隙中填入软骨。
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We then start adding the muscle on top.
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在上面,我们植入肌肉。
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And you start layering these solid structures.
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然后你可以开始一层层的建成一个实体结构,
10:38
Again, fairly more complex organs,
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得到更复杂的器官。
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but by far, the most complex solid organs
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但到目前为止,最复杂的实体器官是
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are actually the vascularized, highly vascularized,
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是包含很多血管的实体器官。
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a lot of blood vessel supply,
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器官连接很多血管的,
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organs such as the heart,
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比如心脏,
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the liver, the kidneys.
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肝脏,肾脏。
10:56
This is actually an example -- several strategies
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这是一个例子——我们有很多战略
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to engineer solid organs.
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来制造实体器官
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This is actually one of the strategies. We use a printer.
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这是其中之一。我们使用一个打印机
11:02
And instead of using ink, we use -- you just saw an inkjet cartridge --
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不使用墨水,我们使用——你刚看到,而我们的墨盒
11:06
we just use cells.
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是细胞
11:08
This is actually your typical desktop printer.
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这就是你典型的电脑打印机
11:10
It's actually printing this two chamber heart,
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它实际上打印出了两个心室
11:13
one layer at a time.
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一次一层
11:15
You see the heart coming out there. It takes about 40 minutes to print,
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你看现在印出了一颗心,这大概需要40分钟时间
11:19
and about four to six hours later
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大约6小时之后,
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you see the muscle cells contract.
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你看那些肌肉细胞在收缩。
11:24
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
11:30
This technology was developed by Tao Ju, who worked at our institute.
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这项科技的发明者是Tao Ju,他在我们研究所工作。
11:34
And this is actually still, of course, experimental,
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当然,这现在还处在试验阶段,
11:36
not for use in patients.
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还未运用到病人身上。
11:39
Another strategy that we have followed
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我们发明的另外一项战术,
11:41
is actually to use decellularized organs.
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是使用去细胞的器官。
11:43
We actually take donor organs,
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我们接受捐赠者器官,
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organs that are discarded,
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不再使用的器官
11:48
and we then can use very mild detergents
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然后我们用非常柔和的洗涤剂,
11:50
to take all the cell elements out of these organs.
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把那些器官的细胞都洗掉。
11:53
So, for example on the left panel,
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比如,在左边的图上,
11:55
top panel, you see a liver.
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上面的图,你会看见一个肝脏。
11:57
We actually take the donor liver,
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我们接受捐赠的肝脏,
11:59
we use very mild detergents,
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然后,使用温和清洁剂,
12:01
and we, by using these mild detergents, we take all the cells
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我们用这些温和清洁剂,可洗掉所有
12:05
out of the liver.
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肝脏的细胞。
12:07
Two weeks later, we basically can lift this organ up,
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两周后,我们可拿起这个器官,
12:10
it feels like a liver,
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它感觉像肝脏,
12:12
we can hold it like a liver,
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拿起来,感觉也像肝脏,
12:14
it looks like a liver, but it has no cells.
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看起来,也像肝脏,但是它没有细胞,
12:17
All we are left with
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剩下的
12:19
is the skeleton, if you will, of the liver,
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是肝脏的架子,
12:22
all made up of collagen,
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由胶原蛋白组成。
12:24
a material that's in our bodies, that will not reject.
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这是我们体内的一种物质,不会有排异,
12:26
We can use it from one patient to the next.
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我们就可以把它使用到不同病人身上。
12:28
We then take this vascular structure
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然后我们拿来这个血管化的结构,
12:30
and we can prove that we retain the blood vessel supply.
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我们能证明我们保持了血管供应。
12:34
You can see, actually that's a fluoroscopy.
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你看,这实际上是荧光显影术。
12:36
We're actually injecting contrast into the organ.
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实际上,我们注射显影剂到器官里
12:39
Now you can see it start. We're injecting the contrast into the organ
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你看,这是开始。我们正注射显影剂到器官,
12:43
into this decellularized liver.
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到这个去细胞化的肝脏。
12:45
And you can see the vascular tree that remains intact.
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你可以看到这整个管道结构没受影响。
12:48
We then take the cells, the vascular cells,
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然后我们用细胞,管道细胞
12:51
blood vessel cells, we perfuse the vascular tree
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血管细胞,我们用病人自己的细胞
12:53
with the patient's own cells.
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注满这个树状的血管。
12:55
We perfuse the outside of the liver
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我们在肝脏外注满
12:57
with the patient's own liver cells.
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病人自己的肝脏细胞。
12:59
And we can then create functional livers.
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然后我们就创造了一个有功能的肝脏。
13:01
And that's actually what you're seeing.
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这就是你现在看到的。
13:03
This is still experimental. But we are able to actually reproduce the functionality
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这还只是实验。但我们已经能够恢复这个肝脏的功能,
13:07
of the liver structure, experimentally.
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尽管是实验阶段。
13:10
For the kidney,
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而肾脏,
13:12
as I talked to you about the first painting that you saw,
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记得我一开始给你看的那幅画,
13:16
the first slide I showed you,
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和我展示的第一张幻灯片。
13:18
90 percent of the patients on the transplant wait list
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90%在等待器官移植的病人,
13:21
are waiting for a kidney, 90 percent.
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90%都在等待肾脏移植。
13:23
So, another strategy we're following
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所以,我们还有另外一个战术
13:25
is actually to create wafers
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那就是创造薄片
13:27
that we stack together, like an accordion, if you will.
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我们把他们堆积在一起,像手风琴一样
13:31
So, we stack these wafers together, using the kidney cells.
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所以,我们把那些薄片堆积在一起,使用肾脏细胞
13:34
And then you can see these miniature kidneys that we've engineered.
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然后,你能看到我们制造出的迷你版的肾脏,
13:37
They are actually making urine.
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他们真的可以产生尿液。
13:39
Again, small structures, our challenge is how to make them larger,
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但这还是小的结构,我们的挑战还是怎么样把他们变大。
13:43
and that is something we're working on
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这就是我们现在在研究所
13:45
right now at the institute.
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研究的事情。
13:47
One of the things that I wanted to summarize for you then
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我想给你们总结的一件事情是
13:50
is what is a strategy that we're going for in regenerative medicine.
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我们尝试向再生医学迈进所用的战略。
13:54
If at all possible,
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如果都可能的话
13:56
we really would like to use smart biomaterials
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我们希望使用智能生物材料。
13:59
that we can just take off the shelf
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我们只需从架子上取下来一个智能材料,
14:01
and regenerate your organs.
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就能重造你的器官。
14:03
We are limited with distances right now,
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我们现在重造的距离有限
14:05
but our goal is actually to increase those distances over time.
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但我们的目标是在未来扩大这个距离。
14:09
If we cannot use smart biomaterials,
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如果我们不能使用智能材料,
14:11
then we'd rather use your very own cells.
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那我们倾向使用您自己的细胞。
14:13
Why? Because they will not reject.
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为什么?因为它们不会有排斥反应。
14:15
We can take cells from you,
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我们可以从你身上取下细胞,
14:17
create the structure, put it right back into you, they will not reject.
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创造结构,放回到你的身体,他们不会有排斥反应。
14:20
And if possible, we'd rather use the cells from your very specific organ.
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如果可能,我们倾向于使用你同一个器官的细胞。
14:24
If you present with a diseased wind pipe
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如果你气管有病,
14:27
we'd like to take cells from your windpipe.
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我们希望从你的气管取下细胞。
14:29
If you present with a diseased pancreas
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如果你的胰腺有病,
14:32
we'd like to take cells from that organ.
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我们希望从它上面取细胞。
14:34
Why? Because we'd rather take those cells
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为什么?因为我们宁愿取那些细胞,
14:37
which already know that those are the cell types you want.
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是已经知道是你的身体需要的那种细胞的。
14:40
A windpipe cell already knows it's a windpipe cell.
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一个气管的细胞知道什么是气管细胞,
14:43
We don't need to teach it to become another cell type.
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我们不用教它变成另一种细胞。
14:46
So, we prefer organ-specific cells.
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所以,我们倾向于你的某个器官的细胞。
14:48
And today we can obtain cells from most every organ in your body,
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今天,我们可以从差不多所有器官上取下细胞,
14:51
except for several which we still need stem cells for,
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除了几个例外,(这几个)我们还需要它们的干细胞。
14:54
like heart, liver, nerve and pancreas.
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比如心脏,肝脏,神经及胰腺。
14:58
And for those we still need stem cells.
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对于那些我们还需要干细胞的,
15:01
If we cannot use stem cells from your body
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如果我们不能使用你身体的干细胞,
15:04
then we'd like to use donor stem cells.
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那我们就要使用捐赠者的干细胞。
15:07
And we prefer cells that will not reject
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我们倾向于不会有排斥反应的细胞,
15:09
and will not form tumors.
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并且不会形成肿瘤的细胞。
15:11
And we're working a lot with the stem cells that we
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我们正大力研究干细胞。
15:13
published on two years ago,
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这些结果两年前发表了。
15:15
stem cells from the amniotic fluid,
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他们是来自于羊水
15:17
and the placenta, which have those properties.
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和胎盘的干细胞。
15:21
So, at this point, I do want to tell you that
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现在,我想告诉你们
15:24
some of the major challenges we have.
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我们现在面临的主要挑战。
15:28
You know, I just showed you this presentation, everything looks so good,
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你知道,我刚给你们做的演讲,看起来非常好,
15:30
everything works. Actually no,
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每个环节都很好。事实并非如此。
15:32
these technologies really are not that easy.
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那些科技并不是那么简单。
15:34
Some of the work you saw today
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你今天看到的一部分,
15:36
was performed by over 700 researchers
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是我们研究所超过700个研究人员,
15:39
at our institute across a 20-year time span.
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历时20年的研究成果。
15:42
So, these are very tough technologies.
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所以,这些是非常难的科技。
15:44
Once you get the formula right you can replicate it.
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一旦你摸索出了对的方法,你就能进行器官复制。
15:47
But it takes a lot to get there.
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但这需要很多工作(才能摸索出对的方法)。
15:49
So, I always like to show this cartoon.
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所以,我总是给大家看这个卡通
15:51
This is how to stop a runaway stage.
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这展示了怎么样阻止一个失控的车。
15:53
And there you see the stagecoach driver,
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你看到这个巴士的司机
15:55
and he goes, on the top panel,
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上面的图里
15:57
He goes A, B, C, D, E, F.
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他做了A,B,C,D,E,F,
15:59
He finally stops the runaway stage.
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他终于停下了失控的车
16:01
And those are usually the basic scientists,
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这是最基本的科学研究方法。
16:04
The bottom is usually the surgeons.
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下面的是外科医生
16:06
(Laughter)
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(笑)
16:10
I'm a surgeon so that's not that funny.
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我是个医生,所以不是那么好笑。
16:12
(Laughter)
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(笑)
16:13
But actually method A is the correct approach.
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事实上方法A是正确的方法。
16:17
And what I mean by that is that anytime we've launched one of these technologies
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我的意思是我们任何时候把这样的科技
16:20
to the clinic,
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用于临床,
16:22
we've made absolutely sure that we do everything we can
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我们要绝对确保把这些科技运用到病人之前,
16:25
in the laboratory before we ever
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我们在实验室里尽了全力
16:27
launch these technologies to patients.
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保证这种科技的安全性。
16:29
And when we launch these technologies to patients
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当我们运用到病人身上时
16:31
we want to make sure that we ask ourselves a very tough question.
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我们要确保问了自己一个非常严肃的问题:
16:36
Are you ready to place this in your own loved one, your own child,
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你是否觉得这个可以移植到你爱的人,你自己的小孩,
16:39
your own family member, and then we proceed.
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你的家人身上,然后我们再继续。
16:42
Because our main goal, of course,
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因为我们的首要目标,
16:44
is first, to do no harm.
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是不造成任何伤害。
16:47
I'm going to show you now, a very short clip,
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我现在给你们看一个短片,
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It's a five second clip of a patient
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一个病人的5秒钟短片。
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who received one of the engineered organs.
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她接受了我们制造的器官。
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We started implanting some of these structures
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在14年前,我们就开始
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over 14 years ago.
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移植这些器官。
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So, we have patients now walking around with organs,
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所以,我们现在有生活着的接受了我们器官的病人。
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engineered organs, for over 10 years, as well.
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有的时间已经超过10年。
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I'm going to show a clip of one young lady.
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我给你们看一个年轻女性的短片
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She had a spina bifida defect, a spinal cord abnormality.
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她有先天的脊椎裂,一种脊椎异常。
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She did not have a normal bladder. This is a segment from CNN.
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她本来也没有正常的膀胱。这是CNN的一段录像。
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We are just taking five seconds.
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我们只看5秒。
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This is a segment that Sanjay Gupta actually took care of.
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这部分是Sanjay Gupta录的。
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Video: Kaitlyn M: I'm happy. I was always afraid
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录像:Kaitlyn M:我很高兴。我总是害怕
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that I was going to have like, an accident or something.
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我会出事什么的。
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And now I can just go and
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现在我能走,
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go out with my friends,
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能跟我的朋友出去,
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go do whatever I want.
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做我想做的事情。
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Anthony Atala: See, at the end of the day, the promise of regenerative medicine
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Anthony Atala: 说到底,器官再生的诺言
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is a single promise.
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是一个诺言
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And that is really very simple,
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而且非常简单:
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to make our patients better.
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就是让我们的病人更好
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Thank you for your attention.
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谢谢你们的倾听。
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌)

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