This Is What LGBT Life Is Like Around the World | Jenni Chang and Lisa Dazols | TED Talks

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Jenni Chang: When I told my parents I was gay,

Dženi Čeng: Kada sam rekla svojim roditeljima da sam gej,

the first thing they said to me was,

prva stvar koju su mi rekli bila je:

"We're bringing you back to Taiwan."

"Vodimo te natrag u Tajvan."

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

In their minds, my sexual orientation was America's fault.

Za njih, za moju seksualnu orijentaciju bila je kriva Amerika.

The West had corrupted me with divergent ideas,

Zapad me je korumpirao svojim idejama o različitosti,

and if only my parents had never left Taiwan,

i da nisu nikada napustili Tajvan,

this would not have happened to their only daughter.

ovo se ne bi nikada dogodilo njihovoj jedinoj ćerki.

In truth, I wondered if they were right.

Iskreno, ponekad sam se pitala da li su u pravu?

Of course, there are gay people in Asia,

Naravno da postoje homoseksualci u Aziji,

just as there are gay people in every part of the world.

kao što postoje homoseksualci bilo gde drugde u svetu.

But is the idea of living an "out" life,

Ali ideja o življenju "otvorenog" života

in the "I'm gay, this is my spouse, and we're proud of our lives together"

u: "Ja sam gej, ovo mi je suprug/a, i ponosni smo na naš zajednički život"

kind of way just a Western idea?

načinu života je ideja zapada?

If I had grown up in Taiwan, or any place outside of the West,

Da sam odrasla u Tajvanu ili bilo kojem drugom mestu, osim zapada,

would I have found models of happy, thriving LGBT people?

zar bih našla primere srećnih, uspešnih LGBT ljudi?

Lisa Dazols: I had similar notions.

Lisa Dazols: Imala sam slična iskustva.

As an HIV social worker in San Francisco,

Kao HIV socijalna radnica u San Francisku

I had met many gay immigrants.

upoznala sam mnogo gej imigranata.

They told me their stories of persecution in their home countries,

Ispričali su mi priče o progonu iz svojih zemalja

just for being gay,

samo zato što su homoseksualci,

and the reasons why they escaped to the US.

i razloge zbog kojih su pobegli u Ameriku.

I saw how this had beaten them down.

Videla sam koliko ih je to iscrpelo.

After 10 years of doing this kind of work,

Nakon 10 godina ovoga posla,

I needed better stories for myself.

želela sam da čujem bolje priče.

I knew the world was far from perfect,

Znala sam da je svet daleko od savršenog,

but surely not every gay story was tragic.

ali zasigurno nije baš svaka gej priča tragična.

JC: So as a couple, we both had a need to find stories of hope.

DžČ: Kao par, obe smo osećale potrebu da nađemo priče pune nade.

So we set off on a mission to travel the world

Tako smo počele da putujemo svetom

and look for the people we finally termed as the "Supergays."

u potrazi za ljudima koje smo nazvale "Supergejevima".

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

These would be the LGBT individuals

To bi trebalo da budu LGBT osobe

who were doing something extraordinary in the world.

koje rade nešto jedinstveno u svetu.

They would be courageous, resilient,

Trebalo bi da budu hrabri, otporni,

and most of all, proud of who they were.

i nadasve, ponosni na ono što jesu.

They would be the kind of person that I aspire to be.

Trebalo bi da budu onakve osobe kakva ja želim da budem.

Our plan was to share their stories to the world through film.

Naš je plan da podelimo njihove priče sa svetom kroz film.

LD: There was just one problem.

LD: Imale smo samo jedan problem.

We had zero reporting and zero filmmaking experience.

Nismo bile iskusne u izveštavanju i snimanju filma.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

We didn't even know where to find the Supergays,

Nismo znale gde uopšte tražiti "Supergejeve",

so we just had to trust that we'd figure it all out along the way.

pa smo morale da verujemo u to da ćemo se nekako snaći.

So we picked 15 countries in Asia, Africa and South America,

Tako smo izabrale 15 zemalja u Aziji, Africi i Južnoj Americi,

countries outside the West that varied in terms of LGBT rights.

zemljama izvan zapada koje su različite u smislu prava LGBT zajednice.

We bought a camcorder,

Kupile smo kameru,

ordered a book on how to make a documentary --

naručile knjigu o snimanju dokumentaraca -

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

you can learn a lot these days --

danas možete svašta naučiti -

and set off on an around-the-world trip.

i uputile se na put oko sveta.

JC: One of the first countries that we traveled to was Nepal.

DžČ: Jedna od prvih zemalja u koje smo otputovale bio je Nepal.

Despite widespread poverty, a decade-long civil war,

Uprkos velikom siromaštvu, 10 godina dugom građanskom ratu,

and now recently, a devastating earthquake,

i nedavno, razarajućem zemljotresu,

Nepal has made significant strides in the fight for equality.

Nepal je napravio velike korake u borbi za jednakost.

One of the key figures in the movement is Bhumika Shrestha.

Jedna od glavnih figura u tom pokretu je Bumika Šresta.

A beautiful, vibrant transgendered woman,

Lepa, simpatična transrodna žena,

Bhumika has had to overcome being expelled from school

Bumika je morala da preživi izbacivanje iz škole

and getting incarcerated because of her gender presentation.

i hapšenje zbog svoje seksualnosti.

But, in 2007, Bhumika and Nepal's LGBT rights organization

Ali, 2007. godine, Bumika i LGBT zajednica u Nepalu

successfully petitioned the Nepali Supreme Court

uspešno su sproveli potpisivanje peticije za zaštitu

to protect against LGBT discrimination.

od LGBT diskriminacije, Vrhovnom sudu Nepala.

Here's Bhumika:

Ovo je Bumika:

(Video) BS: What I'm most proud of?

(Video) BS: Na šta sam najviše ponosna?

I'm a transgendered person.

Ja sam transrodna osoba.

I'm so proud of my life.

Ponosna sam na svoj život.

On December 21, 2007,

21. decembra 2007. godine

the supreme court gave the decision for the Nepal government

Vrhovni sud je doneo odluku za Nepalsku vladu

to give transgender identity cards

da se za transorodne osobe izrade lične karte

and same-sex marriage.

i dopuste istopolni brakovi.

LD: I can appreciate Bhumika's confidence on a daily basis.

LD: Bumika je puna samopouzdanja svaki dan.

Something as simple as using a public restroom

Nešto toliko jednostavno kao korišćenje javnih toaleta

can be a huge challenge when you don't fit in

može biti jako veliki izazov kada se ne uklapate

to people's strict gender expectations.

u ono što ljudi od vas očekuju.

Traveling throughout Asia,

Putujući kroz Aziju

I tended to freak out women in public restrooms.

znala sam da uplašim žene u javnim toaletima.

They weren't used to seeing someone like me.

Nisu navikle da vide nekoga poput mene.

I had to come up with a strategy, so that I could just pee in peace.

Morala sam da smišljam planove kako bih mogla da obavljam nuždu u miru.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So anytime I would enter a restroom,

Svaki put kada bih ušla u toalet

I would thrust out my chest to show my womanly parts,

izbacila bih grudi kako bih pokazala svoje ženske delove,

and try to be as non-threatening as possible.

i pokušala da izgledam što manje zastrašujuće.

Putting out my hands and saying, "Hello",

Pružala bih ruku i pozdravljala,

just so that people could hear my feminine voice.

samo kako bi ljudi čuli moj feminizirani glas.

This all gets pretty exhausting, but it's just who I am.

Sve je to jako iscrpljujuće, ali to sam ja.

I can't be anything else.

Ne mogu biti ništa drugo.

JC: After Nepal, we traveled to India.

DžČ: Posle Nepala, otputovale smo u Indiju.

On one hand, India is a Hindu society,

S jedne strane, Indija je Hindu zemlja,

without a tradition of homophobia.

bez tradicije homofobije.

On the other hand, it is also a society with a deeply patriarchal system,

S druge strane, takođe je i društvo sa duboko patrijarhalnim sistemom,

which rejects anything that threatens the male-female order.

koji odbacuje sve što preti muško-ženskom poretku.

When we spoke to activists,

Kada smo pričale sa aktivistima,

they told us that empowerment begins with ensuring proper gender equality,

rekli su nam da osnaživanje počinje osiguranjem rodne ravnopravnosti,

where the women's status is established in society.

gde je status žene osiguran u društvu.

And in that way, the status of LGBT people can be affirmed as well.

U tom slučaju, status LGBT ljudi takođe bi trebalo biti osiguran.

LD: There we met Prince Manvendra.

LD: Tamo smo upoznale Princa Manvendra.

He's the world's first openly gay prince.

On je prvi princ koji je javno priznao da je homoseksualac.

Prince Manvendra came out on the "Oprah Winfrey Show,"

On je "izašao u javnost" u šou Opre Vinfri,

very internationally.

internacionalno.

His parents disowned him

Roditelji su ga se odrekli

and accused him of bringing great shame to the royal family.

i optužili ga za nanošenje velike sramote kraljevskoj porodici.

We sat down with Prince Manvendra

Našli smo se s princom Manvendrom

and talked to him about why he decided to come out so very publicly.

i pitali ga kako se odlučio na tako javno priznanje.

Here he is:

Rekao je:

(Video) Prince Manvendra: I felt there was a lot of need

(Video) Princ Manvendra: Osećao sam veliku potrebu

to break this stigma and discrimination which is existing in our society.

za razbijanjem stigme i diskriminacije koja postoji u našem društvu.

And that instigated me to come out openly and talk about myself.

I to me je podstaklo na javno priznanje i da javno progovorim.

Whether we are gay, we are lesbian, we are transgender, bisexual

Bilo da smo gej, lezbejke, transrodni, biseksualni

or whatever sexual minority we come from,

ili nešto slično,

we have to all unite and fight for our rights.

svi se moramo ujediniti i boriti za svoja prava.

Gay rights cannot be won in the court rooms,

Gej prava se ne mogu ostvarivati u sudnicama,

but in the hearts and the minds of the people.

već u srcima i umovima ljudi.

JC: While getting my hair cut,

DžČ: Dok sam se šišala,

the woman cutting my hair asked me,

frizerka me je pitala

"Do you have a husband?"

"Imaš li muža?".

Now, this was a dreaded question

To je bilo pitanje

that I got asked a lot by locals while traveling.

koje sam puno puta čula od lokalnih stanovnika za vreme putovanja.

When I explained to her that I was with a woman instead of a man,

Kada sam joj objasnila da sam sa ženom, a ne sa muškarcem

she was incredulous,

nije mi verovala,

and she asked me a lot of questions about my parents' reactions

ispitivala me je o tome kakva je bila reakcija mojih roditelja,

and whether I was sad that I'd never be able to have children.

i jesam li tužna zbog toga što nikada neću moći da imam decu.

I told her that there are no limitations to my life

Rekla sam joj da u mom životu ne postoje granice

and that Lisa and I do plan to have a family some day.

i da Lisa i ja planiramo da zasnujemo porodicu jednog dana.

Now, this woman was ready to write me off

Ta žena je bila spremna da me etiketira

as yet another crazy Westerner.

kao još jednu ludaču sa Zapada.

She couldn't imagine that such a phenomenon

Nije mogla da zamisli da se takav fenomen

could happen in her own country.

može dogoditi u njenoj zemlji.

That is, until I showed her the photos of the Supergays

Tako je bilo dok joj nisam pokazala sliku "Supergejeva"

that we interviewed in India.

koje smo intervjuisale u Indiji.

She recognized Prince Manvendra from television

Prepoznala je Princa Manvendra sa televizije,

and soon I had an audience of other hairdressers

pa sam uskoro privukla pažnju i drugih frizerki

interested in meeting me.

koje su htele da me upoznaju.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

And in that ordinary afternoon,

U tom običnom popodnevu

I had the chance to introduce an entire beauty salon

imala sam šansu da upoznam ceo frizerski salon

to the social changes that were happening in their own country.

sa društvenim promenama koje se događaju u njihovoj zemlji.

LD: From India, we traveled to East Africa,

LD: Iz Indije, otputovale smo u istočnu Afriku,

a region known for intolerance towards LGBT people.

regiju poznatu po netolerantnosti prema LGBT ljudima.

In Kenya, 89 percent of people who come out to their families

U Keniji, 89 posto ljudi koji svojim porodicama priznaju da su gej,

are disowned.

budu izopšteni.

Homosexual acts are a crime and can lead to incarceration.

Homoseksualne aktivnosti su zločin i mogu rezultirati hapšenjem.

In Kenya, we met the soft-spoken David Kuria.

U Keniji smo upoznale Davida Kuriju.

David had a huge mission of wanting to work for the poor

David je imao veliku misiju gde je hteo da radi za siromašne

and improve his own government.

i poboljša svoju vladu.

So he decided to run for senate.

Odlučio je da se kandiduje za senat.

He became Kenya's first openly gay political candidate.

Postao je prvi javno priznati gej političar u Keniji.

David wanted to run his campaign without denying the reality of who he was.

David je hteo da vodi svoju kampanju bez poricanja onoga ko je on zapravo.

But we were worried for his safety

Ali smo se zabrinule za njegovu sigurnost

because he started to receive death threats.

jer je počeo da prima pretnje smrću.

(Video) David Kuria: At that point, I was really scared

(Video) David Kurija: U tom trenutku bio sam jako uplašen

because they were actually asking for me to be killed.

jer su stvarno tražili da budem ubijen.

And, yeah,

I, da,

there are some people out there who do it

postoje ljudi koji bi to uradili

and they feel that they are doing a religious obligation.

misleći da to rade za svoju veru.

JC: David wasn't ashamed of who he was.

DžČ: David se nije stideo sebe.

Even in the face of threats,

Čak i za vreme pretnji,

he stayed authentic.

ostao je odan sebi.

LD: At the opposite end of the spectrum is Argentina.

LD: Na suprotnom kraju je Argentina.

Argentina's a country where 92 percent of the population identifies as Catholic.

To je zemlja gde se 92 posto populacije deklariše kao katolici.

Yet, Argentina has LGBT laws that are even more progressive

Ipak, Argentina ima LGBT zakone koji su puno progresivniji

than here in the US.

od onih u Americi.

In 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America

2010. godine Argentina je postala prva zemlja u Latinskoj Americi,

and the 10th in the world to adopt marriage equality.

i deseta u svetu koja je usvojila principe bračne ravnopravnosti.

There, we met María Rachid.

Tamo smo upoznale Mariju Rašid.

María was a driving force behind that movement.

Marija je sila iza tog pokreta.

María Rachid (Spanish): I always say that, in reality,

Marija Rašid (španski): Uvek kažem da u stvarnosti,

the effects of marriage equality

efekti bračne jednakosti

are not only for those couples that get married.

nisu samo za parove koji se venčaju.

They are for a lot of people that, even though they may never get married,

Ti efekti su za one ljude, koji će, iako se možda nikada neće venčati,

will be perceived differently by their coworkers,

biti bolje prihvaćeni od svojih kolega,

their families and neighbors,

porodica i komšija,

from the national state's message of equality.

i poslati poruku ravnopravnosti celoj naciji.

I feel very proud of Argentina

Jako sam ponosna na Argentinu

because Argentina today is a model of equality.

zato što je ona danas primer ravnopravnosti.

And hopefully soon,

Nadam se da će uskoro

the whole world will have the same rights.

ceo svet imati ista prava.

JC: When we made the visit to my ancestral lands,

DžČ: Kada smo posetile zemlju mojih predaka,

I wish I could have shown my parents what we found there.

poželela sam da pokažem roditeljima ono što smo pronašle tamo.

Because here is who we met:

Zbog onih ljudi koje smo upoznale:

(Video) One, two, three. Welcome gays to Shanghai!

(Video) Jedan, dva, tri. Homoseksualci, dobrodošli u Šangaj!

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

A whole community of young, beautiful Chinese LGBT people.

Veliku zajednicu mladih, predivnih kineskih LGBT ljudi.

Sure, they had their struggles.

Naravno, i oni su imali svoje borbe,

But they were fighting it out.

ali suse borili.

In Shanghai, I had the chance to speak to a local lesbian group

U Šangaju sam imala priliku da popričam sa lokalnom grupom lezbejki

and tell them our story in my broken Mandarin Chinese.

i da im ispričam našu priču na svom lošem mandarinskom kineskom.

In Taipei, each time we got onto the metro,

U Tajpeju, svaki put kada smo sele u metro

we saw yet another lesbian couple holding hands.

videle smo još jedan lezbejski par kako se drži za ruke.

And we learned that Asia's largest LGBT pride event

Saznale smo da se najveća azijska parada ponosa

happens just blocks away from where my grandparents live.

održava samo par ulica dalje od mesta gde žive moji baka i deda.

If only my parents knew.

Da su bar moji roditelji to znali.

LD: By the time we finished our not-so-straight journey around the world,

LD: Do vremena kada smo završavale svoje gej putovanje oko sveta,

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

we had traveled 50,000 miles

proputovale smo 80.500 kilometara

and logged 120 hours of video footage.

i snimile 120 sati video zapisa.

We traveled to 15 countries

Proputovale smo 15 zemalja

and interviewed 50 Supergays.

i razgovarale sa 50 Supergejeva.

Turns out, it wasn't hard to find them at all.

Na kraju, uopšte ih nije bilo teško pronaći.

JC: Yes, there are still tragedies that happen

DžČ: Da, još se događaju tragedije

on the bumpy road to equality.

na džombastom putu do jednakosti.

And let's not forget that 75 countries still criminalize homosexuality today.

Ne zaboravimo da 75 zemalja i dalje smatra homoseksualnost krivičnim delom.

But there are also stories of hope and courage

Ali takođe postoje priče o nadi i hrabrosti

in every corner of the world.

u svakom delu sveta.

What we ultimately took away from our journey is,

Ono što smo na kraju naučile iz našeg putovanja je to da

equality is not a Western invention.

jednakost nije izum zapada.

LD: One of the key factors in this equality movement is momentum,

LD: Jedan od ključnih faktora u ovoj borbi za ravnopravnost je sila,

momentum as more and more people embrace their full selves

sila zbog koje sve više ljudi prihvata same sebe

and use whatever opportunities they have

i koristi sve prilike koje im se pružaju

to change their part of the world,

za menjanje svog dela sveta,

and momentum as more and more countries

i sila zbog koje sve više zemalja

find models of equality in one another.

pronalazi model za ravnopravnost.

When Nepal protected against LGBT discrimination,

Kada se Nepal izborio protiv LGBT diskriminacije,

India pushed harder.

Indija je pokušala postići i više.

When Argentina embraced marriage equality,

Kada je Argentina usvojila principe bračne jednakosti,

Uruguay and Brazil followed.

sledile su je Urugvaj i Brazil.

When Ireland said yes to equality,

Kada je Irska rekla "da" jednakosti,

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

the world stopped to notice.

svet je zastao i to primetio.

When the US Supreme Court makes a statement to the world

Kada je američki Vrhovni sud uradio isto,

that we can all be proud of.

svi smo bili ponosni.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

JC: As we reviewed our footage,

DžČ: Dok smo pregledale snimke,

what we realized is that we were watching a love story.

shvatile smo da gledamo ljubavnu priču.

It wasn't a love story that was expected of me,

To nije bila ljubavna priča koja se očekivala od mene,

but it is one filled with more freedom, adventure and love

već priča ispunjena slobodom, avanturama i ljubavlju

than I could have ever possibly imagined.

koje nikada nisam mogla zamisliti.

One year after returning home from our trip,

Godinu dana nakon što smo se vratile kući,

marriage equality came to California.

bračna jednakost je došla i u Kaliforniju.

And in the end, we believe, love will win out.

I na kraju, verujemo, da će ljubav pobediti.

(Video) By the power vested in me,

(Video) Uz pravo koje mi je dodeljeno

by the state of California

od države Kalifornije

and by God Almighty,

i svemogućega boga,

I now pronounce you spouses for life.

proglašavam vas životnim partnerima.

You may kiss.

Možete se poljubiti.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)