This Is What LGBT Life Is Like Around the World | Jenni Chang and Lisa Dazols | TED Talks

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Prevoditelj: Senzos Osijek Recezent: Ivan Stamenković
00:12
Jenni Chang: When I told my parents I was gay,
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Jenni Chang: Kada sam rekla svojim roditeljima da sam gay,
00:14
the first thing they said to me was,
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prva stvar koju su mi rekli bila je,
00:17
"We're bringing you back to Taiwan."
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‘’Vodimo te natrag u Tajvan.’’
00:19
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:22
In their minds, my sexual orientation was America's fault.
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U njihovim mislima, za moju seksualnu orijentaciju bila je kriva Amerika.
00:25
The West had corrupted me with divergent ideas,
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Zapad me korumpirao sa svojim idejama o različitosti,
00:28
and if only my parents had never left Taiwan,
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i da nisu nikada napustili Tajvan,
00:31
this would not have happened to their only daughter.
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ovo se ne bi nikada dogodilo njihovoj jedinoj kćeri.
00:35
In truth, I wondered if they were right.
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Iskreno, ponekad sam se pitala jesu li u pravu.
00:38
Of course, there are gay people in Asia,
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Naravno da postoje homoseksualci u Aziji,
00:40
just as there are gay people in every part of the world.
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kao što postoje homoseksualci bilo gdje drugdje u svijetu.
00:43
But is the idea of living an "out" life,
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Ali ideja o življenju ‘’otvorenog’’ života,
00:46
in the "I'm gay, this is my spouse, and we're proud of our lives together"
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u ‘’Ja sam gay, ovo mi je suprug/supruga, i ponosni smo na naš zajednički život’’
00:50
kind of way just a Western idea?
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načinu života je ideja zapada?
00:55
If I had grown up in Taiwan, or any place outside of the West,
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Da sam odrasla u Tajvanu, ili bilo kojem drugome mjestu osim zapada,
00:58
would I have found models of happy, thriving LGBT people?
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zar bih našla primjere sretnih, uspješnih LGBT ljudi?
01:03
Lisa Dazols: I had similar notions.
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Lisa Dazols: I ja sam imala slična iskustva.
01:05
As an HIV social worker in San Francisco,
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Kao HIV pozitivna socijalna radnica u San Franciscu
01:07
I had met many gay immigrants.
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upoznala sam mnogo gay imigranata.
01:09
They told me their stories of persecution in their home countries,
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Ispričali su mi priče o progonu iz svojih zemalja
01:13
just for being gay,
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samo zato što su homoseksualci,
01:14
and the reasons why they escaped to the US.
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i razloge zbog kojih su pobjegli u Ameriku.
01:17
I saw how this had beaten them down.
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Vidjela sam koliko ih je to iscrpilo.
01:19
After 10 years of doing this kind of work,
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Nakon 10 godina ovoga posla,
01:21
I needed better stories for myself.
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trebala sam čuti bolje priče.
01:23
I knew the world was far from perfect,
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Znala sam da je svijet daleko od savršenog,
01:25
but surely not every gay story was tragic.
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ali zasigurno nije baš svaka gay priča tragična.
01:29
JC: So as a couple, we both had a need to find stories of hope.
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JC: Kao par, obje smo osjećale potrebu da nađemo priče pune nade.
01:32
So we set off on a mission to travel the world
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Tako smo počele putovati svijetom
01:35
and look for the people we finally termed as the "Supergays."
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u potrazi za ljudima koje smo nazvali ‘’Supergayevima’’.
01:39
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:43
These would be the LGBT individuals
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To bi trebali biti LGBT individualci
01:46
who were doing something extraordinary in the world.
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koji rade nešto iznimno u svijetu.
01:49
They would be courageous, resilient,
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Trebali bi biti hrabri, prilagodljivi,
01:51
and most of all, proud of who they were.
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i nadasve, ponosni na ono što jesu.
01:54
They would be the kind of person that I aspire to be.
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Trebali bi biti onakve osobe kakva ja želim biti.
01:58
Our plan was to share their stories to the world through film.
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Naš je plan da podijelimo njihove priče sa svijetom kroz film.
02:02
LD: There was just one problem.
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LD: Imale smo samo jedan problem.
02:04
We had zero reporting and zero filmmaking experience.
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Nismo bile iskusne u izvještavanju i stvaranju filma.
02:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:08
We didn't even know where to find the Supergays,
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Nismo znale gdje uopće tražiti ‘’Supergayeve’’,
02:10
so we just had to trust that we'd figure it all out along the way.
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pa smo morale vjerovati u to da ćemo se nekako snaći.
02:14
So we picked 15 countries in Asia, Africa and South America,
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Tako smo izabrale 15 zemalja u Aziji, Africi i Južnoj Americi,
02:17
countries outside the West that varied in terms of LGBT rights.
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zemljama izvan zapada koje su različite u smislu prava LGBT zajednice.
02:21
We bought a camcorder,
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Kupile smo kameru,
02:22
ordered a book on how to make a documentary --
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naručile knjigu o snimanju dokumentaraca -
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:26
you can learn a lot these days --
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danas možete svašta naučiti,
02:28
and set off on an around-the-world trip.
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i uputile se na put oko svijeta.
02:32
JC: One of the first countries that we traveled to was Nepal.
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JC: Jedna od prvih zemalja u koje smo otputovale bila je Nepal.
02:36
Despite widespread poverty, a decade-long civil war,
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Unatoč velikom siromaštvu, 10 godina dugom građanskom ratu,
02:39
and now recently, a devastating earthquake,
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i nedavno, razarajućem potresu,
02:42
Nepal has made significant strides in the fight for equality.
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Nepal je napravio velike korake u borbi za jednakost.
02:46
One of the key figures in the movement is Bhumika Shrestha.
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Jedna od glavnih figura u tom pokretu je Bhumika Shrestha.
02:52
A beautiful, vibrant transgendered woman,
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Lijepa, simpatična transrodna žena,
02:55
Bhumika has had to overcome being expelled from school
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Bhumika je morala preživjeti izbacivanje iz škole
02:58
and getting incarcerated because of her gender presentation.
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i uhićenje zbog svoje spolnosti.
03:02
But, in 2007, Bhumika and Nepal's LGBT rights organization
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Ali, 2007., Bhumika i LGBT zajednica u Nepalu
03:08
successfully petitioned the Nepali Supreme Court
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uspješno su proveli peticiju za Vrhovni sud u Nepalu
03:11
to protect against LGBT discrimination.
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za zaštitu protiv LGBT diskriminacije.
03:13
Here's Bhumika:
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Ovo je Bhumika:
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(Video) BS: What I'm most proud of?
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(Video) BS: Na što sam najviše ponosna?
03:16
I'm a transgendered person.
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Ja sam transrodna osoba.
03:18
I'm so proud of my life.
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Ponosna sam na svoj život.
03:20
On December 21, 2007,
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21.prosinca 2007. godine
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the supreme court gave the decision for the Nepal government
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Vrhovni sud donio je odluku za Nepalsku vladu
03:27
to give transgender identity cards
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da se za transorodne osobe izrade osobne iskaznice
03:30
and same-sex marriage.
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i dopuste istospolni brakovi.
03:32
LD: I can appreciate Bhumika's confidence on a daily basis.
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LD: Buhimka je puna samopouzdanja svaki dan.
03:35
Something as simple as using a public restroom
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Nešto toliko jednostavno kao uporaba javnih zahoda
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can be a huge challenge when you don't fit in
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može biti jako veliki izazov kada se ne uklapate
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to people's strict gender expectations.
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u ono što ljudi od vas očekuju.
03:44
Traveling throughout Asia,
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Putujući kroz Aziju
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I tended to freak out women in public restrooms.
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znala sam uplašiti žene u javnim zahodima.
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They weren't used to seeing someone like me.
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Nisu navikle vidjeti nekoga poput mene.
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I had to come up with a strategy, so that I could just pee in peace.
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Morala sam smišljati planove samo kako bih mogla mokriti u miru.
03:54
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:55
So anytime I would enter a restroom,
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Svaki put kada bih ušla u zahod
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I would thrust out my chest to show my womanly parts,
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izbacila bih prsa kako bih pokazala svoje ženske dijelove,
04:00
and try to be as non-threatening as possible.
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i pokušala izgledati što manje zastrašujuće.
04:02
Putting out my hands and saying, "Hello",
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Pružala bih ruku i pozdravljala,
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just so that people could hear my feminine voice.
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samo kako bi ljudi čuli moj feminizirani glas.
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This all gets pretty exhausting, but it's just who I am.
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Sve je to jako iscrpljujuće, ali to sam ja.
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I can't be anything else.
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Ne mogu biti ništa drugo.
04:13
JC: After Nepal, we traveled to India.
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JC: Poslije Nepala, otputovale smo u Indiju.
04:16
On one hand, India is a Hindu society,
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U jednu ruku, Indija je Hindu zajednica,
04:20
without a tradition of homophobia.
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bez tradicije homofobije.
04:23
On the other hand, it is also a society with a deeply patriarchal system,
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U drugu ruku, također je i zajednica sa duboko patrijarhalnim sustavom,
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which rejects anything that threatens the male-female order.
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koji odbacuje sve što prijeti muško-ženskom poretku.
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When we spoke to activists,
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Kada smo pričale sa aktivistima,
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they told us that empowerment begins with ensuring proper gender equality,
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rekli su nam da osnaživanje počinje osiguranjem spolne jednakosti,
04:38
where the women's status is established in society.
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gdje je status žene osiguran u društvu.
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And in that way, the status of LGBT people can be affirmed as well.
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U tom slučaju, status LGBT ljudi također bi trebao biti osiguran.
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LD: There we met Prince Manvendra.
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LD: Tamo smo upoznale Princa Manvendra.
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He's the world's first openly gay prince.
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On je prvi princ koji je javno priznao da je homoseksualac.
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Prince Manvendra came out on the "Oprah Winfrey Show,"
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Princ Manvendra je ‘’izašao u javnost’ u showu Oprah Winfrey,
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very internationally.
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internacionalno.
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His parents disowned him
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Roditelji su ga se odrekli
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and accused him of bringing great shame to the royal family.
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i optužili ga za nanošenje velike sramote na kraljevsku obitelj.
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We sat down with Prince Manvendra
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Našli smo se s princom Manvendrom
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and talked to him about why he decided to come out so very publicly.
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i pitali ga kako se odlučio na tako javno priznanje?
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Here he is:
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Rekao je:
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(Video) Prince Manvendra: I felt there was a lot of need
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(Video) Princ Manvendra: Osjećao sam veliku potrebu
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to break this stigma and discrimination which is existing in our society.
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za razbijanjem diskriminacije koja postoji u našem društvu.
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And that instigated me to come out openly and talk about myself.
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I to me je potaklo na javno priznanje.
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Whether we are gay, we are lesbian, we are transgender, bisexual
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Bilo da smo gay, lezbijke, transrodni , biseksualni
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or whatever sexual minority we come from,
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ili nešto slično,
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we have to all unite and fight for our rights.
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svi se moramo ujediniti i boriti za svoja prava.
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Gay rights cannot be won in the court rooms,
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Gay prava se ne mogu ostvarivati u sudnicama,
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but in the hearts and the minds of the people.
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već u srcima i umovima ljudi.
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JC: While getting my hair cut,
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JC: Dok sam se šišala,
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the woman cutting my hair asked me,
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frizerka me je pitala
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"Do you have a husband?"
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‘’Imaš li muža?’’.
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Now, this was a dreaded question
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To je bilo pitanje
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that I got asked a lot by locals while traveling.
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koje sam puno puta čula od strane lokalnih stanovnika za vrijeme putovanja.
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When I explained to her that I was with a woman instead of a man,
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Kada sam joj objasnila da imam ženu
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she was incredulous,
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nije mi vjerovala,
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and she asked me a lot of questions about my parents' reactions
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ispitivala me je pitanja o tome kakva je bila reakcija mojih roditelja,
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and whether I was sad that I'd never be able to have children.
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i jesam li tužna zbog toga što nikada neću moći imati djecu.
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I told her that there are no limitations to my life
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Rekla sam joj da u mom životu ne postoje granice
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and that Lisa and I do plan to have a family some day.
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i da Lisa i ja planiramo osnovati obitelj jednog dana.
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Now, this woman was ready to write me off
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To je bila žena koja je bila spremna svrstati me
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as yet another crazy Westerner.
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u još jednu luđakinju sa Zapada.
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She couldn't imagine that such a phenomenon
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Nije mogla zamisliti da se takav fenomen
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could happen in her own country.
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može dogoditi u njenoj zemlji.
06:16
That is, until I showed her the photos of the Supergays
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Tako je bilo dok joj nisam pokazala sliku ‘’Supergayeva’’
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that we interviewed in India.
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koje sam intervjuirala u Indiji.
06:21
She recognized Prince Manvendra from television
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Prepoznala je Princa Manvendra s televizije,
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and soon I had an audience of other hairdressers
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pa sam uskoro privukla pažnju i druge frizerke
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interested in meeting me.
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koja me htjela upoznati.
06:27
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:29
And in that ordinary afternoon,
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U tom običnom popodnevu
06:31
I had the chance to introduce an entire beauty salon
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imala sam šansu upoznati cijeli frizerski salon
06:34
to the social changes that were happening in their own country.
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sa socijalnim promjenama koje se događaju u njihovoj zemlji.
06:39
LD: From India, we traveled to East Africa,
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LD: Iz Indije, otputovale smo u istočnu Afriku,
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a region known for intolerance towards LGBT people.
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regiju poznatu po intoleranciji LGBT ljudi.
06:46
In Kenya, 89 percent of people who come out to their families
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U Keniji se 89% ljudi koji su priznali da su gay
06:49
are disowned.
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njihova obitelj odrekla.
06:51
Homosexual acts are a crime and can lead to incarceration.
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Homoseksualne radnje su zločin i mogu rezultirati uhićenjem.
06:54
In Kenya, we met the soft-spoken David Kuria.
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U Keniji smo upoznale Davida Kuria.
06:58
David had a huge mission of wanting to work for the poor
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David je imao veliku misiju gdje je htio raditi za siromašne
07:01
and improve his own government.
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i poboljšati svoju vladu.
07:03
So he decided to run for senate.
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Odlučio se kandidirati za senat.
07:05
He became Kenya's first openly gay political candidate.
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Postao je prvi javno priznati gay političar u Keniji.
07:09
David wanted to run his campaign without denying the reality of who he was.
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David je htio voditi svoju kampanju bez poricanja onoga tko on zapravo je.
07:14
But we were worried for his safety
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Ali smo se zabrinuli za njegovu sigurnost
07:16
because he started to receive death threats.
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jer je počeo primati smrtne prijetnje.
07:18
(Video) David Kuria: At that point, I was really scared
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(Video) David Kuria: U tom sam trenutku bio jako uplašen
07:21
because they were actually asking for me to be killed.
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jer su stvarno tražili da budem ubijen.
07:25
And, yeah,
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I, da,
07:27
there are some people out there who do it
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postoje ljudi koji bi to napravili
07:30
and they feel that they are doing a religious obligation.
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misleći da to rade za svoju vjeru.
07:33
JC: David wasn't ashamed of who he was.
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JC: David se nije sramio sebe.
07:36
Even in the face of threats,
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Čak i za vrijeme prijetnji
07:38
he stayed authentic.
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ostao je odan sebi.
07:40
LD: At the opposite end of the spectrum is Argentina.
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LD: Na suprutnom kraju je Argentina.
07:44
Argentina's a country where 92 percent of the population identifies as Catholic.
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To je zemlja gdje se 97% populacije identificira kao katolici.
07:48
Yet, Argentina has LGBT laws that are even more progressive
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Da, Argentina ima LGBT zakone koji su puno progresivniji
07:52
than here in the US.
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od onih u Americi.
07:54
In 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America
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2010., Argentina je postala prva zemlja u Latinskoj Americi,
07:58
and the 10th in the world to adopt marriage equality.
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i deseta u svijetu koja je usvojila bračnu jednakost.
08:02
There, we met María Rachid.
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Tamo smo upoznale Mariu Rachid,
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María was a driving force behind that movement.
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Maria je sila iza tog pokreta.
08:07
María Rachid (Spanish): I always say that, in reality,
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Maria Rachid(Španjolski): Uvijek kažem da u stvarnosti,
08:09
the effects of marriage equality
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efekti bračne jednakosti
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are not only for those couples that get married.
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nisu samo za parove koji se vjenčaju.
08:13
They are for a lot of people that, even though they may never get married,
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Ti efekti su za one ljude, koji će , iako se možda nikada neće vjenčati,
08:17
will be perceived differently by their coworkers,
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biti bolje prihvaćeni od strane svojih kolega,
08:19
their families and neighbors,
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obitelji i susjeda,
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from the national state's message of equality.
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i poslati poruku jednakosti svoj naciji.
08:27
I feel very proud of Argentina
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Jako sam ponosna na Argentinu
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because Argentina today is a model of equality.
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zato što je ona danas primjer jednakosti.
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And hopefully soon,
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Nadam se da će uskoro
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the whole world will have the same rights.
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cijeli svijet imati ista prava.
08:39
JC: When we made the visit to my ancestral lands,
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JC: Kada smo posjetile zemlju mojih predaka,
08:42
I wish I could have shown my parents what we found there.
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poželjela sam pokazati roditeljima ono što smo pronašli tamo.
08:45
Because here is who we met:
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Zbog onih ljudi koje smo upoznale:
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(Video) One, two, three. Welcome gays to Shanghai!
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(Video) Jedan, dva, tri. Homoseksualci, dobrodošli u Šangaj!
08:52
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
08:58
A whole community of young, beautiful Chinese LGBT people.
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Veliku zajednicu mladih, predivnih kineskih LGBT ljudi.
09:04
Sure, they had their struggles.
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Naravno, i oni su imali svoje borbe.
09:05
But they were fighting it out.
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ali su ih pobijedili.
09:07
In Shanghai, I had the chance to speak to a local lesbian group
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U Šangaju sam imala prliku popričati sa lokalnom grupom lezbijki
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and tell them our story in my broken Mandarin Chinese.
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i ispričati im našu priču na svom lošem mandarinskom kineskom.
09:15
In Taipei, each time we got onto the metro,
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U Taipei, svaki put kada smo sjele na metro
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we saw yet another lesbian couple holding hands.
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vidjele smo novi lezbijski par kako se drži za ruke.
09:21
And we learned that Asia's largest LGBT pride event
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Saznale smo da se najveći Azijski LGBT pride
09:25
happens just blocks away from where my grandparents live.
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održava samo par ulica dalje od mjesta gdje žive moji baka i djeda.
09:30
If only my parents knew.
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Da su bar moji roditelji to znali.
09:33
LD: By the time we finished our not-so-straight journey around the world,
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LD: Do vremena kada smo završavale svoje gay putovanje oko svijeta,
09:36
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
09:38
we had traveled 50,000 miles
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proputovale smo 80,500 kilometara
09:39
and logged 120 hours of video footage.
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i snimile 120 sati vrijednih video uradaka.
09:42
We traveled to 15 countries
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Proputovale smo 15 zemalja
09:44
and interviewed 50 Supergays.
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i razgovarale sa 50 Supergayeva.
09:46
Turns out, it wasn't hard to find them at all.
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Na kraju, uopće ih nije bilo teško pronaći.
09:49
JC: Yes, there are still tragedies that happen
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JC: Da, još se događaju tragedije
09:52
on the bumpy road to equality.
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na grbavom putu do jednakosti.
09:54
And let's not forget that 75 countries still criminalize homosexuality today.
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Ne zaboravimo da 75 zemalja i dalje smatra homoseksualnost kriminalom.
09:59
But there are also stories of hope and courage
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Ali također postoje priče o nadi i hrabrosti
10:03
in every corner of the world.
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u svakom kutku svijeta.
10:06
What we ultimately took away from our journey is,
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Ono što smo na kraju naučile iz našeg putovanja je to da
10:09
equality is not a Western invention.
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jednakost nije izum zapada.
10:14
LD: One of the key factors in this equality movement is momentum,
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LD: Jedan od ključnih faktora u ovoj borbi za jednakost je snaga,
10:19
momentum as more and more people embrace their full selves
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snaga zbog koje sve više ljudi prihvaća sama sebe
10:22
and use whatever opportunities they have
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i koristi sve prilike koje im se pružaju
10:24
to change their part of the world,
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za mijenjanje dijela svog svijeta,
10:26
and momentum as more and more countries
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i snaga zbog koje sve više zemalja
10:29
find models of equality in one another.
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pronalazi model za jednakost.
10:32
When Nepal protected against LGBT discrimination,
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Kada je Nepal ostvario prava protiv LGBT diskriminacije,
10:35
India pushed harder.
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Indija je pokušala postići i više.
10:37
When Argentina embraced marriage equality,
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Kada je Argentina usvojila bračnu jednakost,
10:40
Uruguay and Brazil followed.
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slijedile su je Urugvaj i Brazil.
10:42
When Ireland said yes to equality,
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Kada je Irska rekla "da" jednakosti,
10:45
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
10:49
the world stopped to notice.
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svijet je zastao i to primjetio.
10:51
When the US Supreme Court makes a statement to the world
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Kada američki Vrhovni sud napravi istu stvar,
10:54
that we can all be proud of.
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svi ćemo biti ponosni.
10:55
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
11:02
JC: As we reviewed our footage,
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JC: Dok smo pregledavale snimke,
11:04
what we realized is that we were watching a love story.
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shvatile smo da gledamo ljubavnu priču.
11:08
It wasn't a love story that was expected of me,
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To nije bila ljubavna priča koja se očekivala od mene,
11:10
but it is one filled with more freedom, adventure and love
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već priča ispunjena slobodom, avanturama i ljubavlju
11:15
than I could have ever possibly imagined.
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koje nikada nisam mogla zamisliti.
11:18
One year after returning home from our trip,
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Godinu dana nakon što smo se vratile kući,
11:20
marriage equality came to California.
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bračna jednakost je došla u Kaliforniju.
11:23
And in the end, we believe, love will win out.
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I na kraju, vjerujemo, da će ljubav pobijediti.
11:30
(Video) By the power vested in me,
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(Video) Uz pravo koje mi je dodijeljeno,
11:33
by the state of California
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od države Kalifornije
11:36
and by God Almighty,
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i svemogućega Boga,
11:38
I now pronounce you spouses for life.
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proglašavam vas životnim partnerima.
11:41
You may kiss.
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Možete se poljubiti.
11:42
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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