This Is What LGBT Life Is Like Around the World | Jenni Chang and Lisa Dazols | TED Talks

翻译人员: Zhiting Chen 校对人员: Rui Zhang

Jenni Chang: When I told my parents I was gay,

Jenni Chang: 当我向我的父母出柜的时候，

the first thing they said to me was,

他们的第一反应是，

"We're bringing you back to Taiwan."

“我们要把你带回台湾。”

(Laughter)

（笑声）

In their minds, my sexual orientation was America's fault.

在他们看来，我的性取向 是美国造成的错误。

The West had corrupted me with divergent ideas,

是西方的非主流观念侵蚀了我，

and if only my parents had never left Taiwan,

而且如果我的父母从未离开台湾，

this would not have happened to their only daughter.

他们的独生女儿绝不会变成这样。

In truth, I wondered if they were right.

事实上，我想他们并不见得正确。

Of course, there are gay people in Asia,

当然，亚洲也有很多同性恋者，

just as there are gay people in every part of the world.

就像全世界其他地区一样。

But is the idea of living an "out" life,

但是以“出柜”的方式生活，

in the "I'm gay, this is my spouse, and we're proud of our lives together"

就像“我是同性恋，这是我的伴侣， 我们很骄傲共同生活在一起”

kind of way just a Western idea?

这种方式难道只是西方的观念吗？

If I had grown up in Taiwan, or any place outside of the West,

如果我在台湾或是任何 西方国家以外的地方长大，

would I have found models of happy, thriving LGBT people?

我会找到欢乐的LGBT(同性恋， 双性恋以及变性人)群体吗？

Lisa Dazols: I had similar notions.

Lisa Dazols：我也有同样的想法。

As an HIV social worker in San Francisco,

作为一名旧金山的艾滋病社工，

I had met many gay immigrants.

我遇到过很多同性恋移民。

They told me their stories of persecution in their home countries,

他们跟我讲述了 在原籍国仅仅因为是同性恋

just for being gay,

而遭受迫害的故事，

and the reasons why they escaped to the US.

以及他们为什么逃往美国的种种原因。

I saw how this had beaten them down.

我目睹了这些是如何压垮他们的。

After 10 years of doing this kind of work,

在做了十年这类工作后，

I needed better stories for myself.

我需要给我自己一些更好的故事。

I knew the world was far from perfect,

我知道，这个世界并不完美，

but surely not every gay story was tragic.

但可以肯定的是， 并非所有的同性爱情故事都是悲剧。

JC: So as a couple, we both had a need to find stories of hope.

JC：作为伴侣，我们两个都希望 寻找充满希望的故事。

So we set off on a mission to travel the world

于是我们开始了环游世界的旅程

and look for the people we finally termed as the "Supergays."

去找寻那些我们称为“超级同志”的人。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

These would be the LGBT individuals

这些人是LGBT群体里的一员，

who were doing something extraordinary in the world.

在世界各地做着不同寻常的事情。

They would be courageous, resilient,

他们勇敢而又坚韧，

and most of all, proud of who they were.

最重要的是，他们对自己感到骄傲。

They would be the kind of person that I aspire to be.

他们是我渴望成为的那种人。

Our plan was to share their stories to the world through film.

我们的计划是把他们的故事通过电影 展示给全世界。

LD: There was just one problem.

LD：只有一个问题。

We had zero reporting and zero filmmaking experience.

我们的报道经验和电影制作经验为零。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

We didn't even know where to find the Supergays,

我们甚至不知道 要去哪里寻找这些超级同志，

so we just had to trust that we'd figure it all out along the way.

于是我们只好相信， 在路上可以解决这些困难。

So we picked 15 countries in Asia, Africa and South America,

于是我们选择了十五个国家 跨越亚洲，非洲和南美洲，

countries outside the West that varied in terms of LGBT rights.

这些西方以外的国家 对LGBT权利的规定各有不同。

We bought a camcorder,

我们买了一个便携式摄像机，

ordered a book on how to make a documentary --

购买了一本纪录片拍摄教程--

(Laughter)

（笑声）

you can learn a lot these days --

如今你能够学到很多--

and set off on an around-the-world trip.

然后就开始了我们的环球旅行。

JC: One of the first countries that we traveled to was Nepal.

JC：我们前往的第一个国家是尼泊尔。

Despite widespread poverty, a decade-long civil war,

尽管经历了大范围的贫困和一次长期的内战，

and now recently, a devastating earthquake,

加上最近的一次毁灭性地震，

Nepal has made significant strides in the fight for equality.

尼泊尔依然在平权的斗争中 迈出了巨大的步伐

One of the key figures in the movement is Bhumika Shrestha.

这个平权运动的重要人物之一是 Bhumika Shrestha。

A beautiful, vibrant transgendered woman,

一位美丽而又充满活力的变性女子，

Bhumika has had to overcome being expelled from school

Bhumika要克服被学校开除的境遇

and getting incarcerated because of her gender presentation.

以及由于她的性别表现而被监禁的痛苦。

But, in 2007, Bhumika and Nepal's LGBT rights organization

但是，在2007年 Bhumika和尼泊尔的LGBT平权组织

successfully petitioned the Nepali Supreme Court

成功地请愿， 使得尼泊尔最高法院

to protect against LGBT discrimination.

通过了保护LGBT不受歧视的法案。

Here's Bhumika:

这就是Bhumika：

(Video) BS: What I'm most proud of?

（视频）BS：我最骄傲的是什么？

I'm a transgendered person.

我是一个变性人。

I'm so proud of my life.

我对我的生活感到骄傲。

On December 21, 2007,

在2007年12月21日，

the supreme court gave the decision for the Nepal government

尼泊尔最高法院决定 要求尼泊尔政府

to give transgender identity cards

为变性人发放身份证件

and same-sex marriage.

并且批准了同性婚姻。

LD: I can appreciate Bhumika's confidence on a daily basis.

LD：我每天都能感受到Bhumika的自信。

Something as simple as using a public restroom

当你无法适应对性别表现严格区分的人群时，

can be a huge challenge when you don't fit in

像使用公共厕所一样简单的事情

to people's strict gender expectations.

也会成为一个巨大的挑战。

Traveling throughout Asia,

穿越亚洲的旅行过程中，

I tended to freak out women in public restrooms.

我时常会吓到公共厕所里的女子。

They weren't used to seeing someone like me.

她们并不常看到我这样的人。

I had to come up with a strategy, so that I could just pee in peace.

我得想出一个应对的策略， 这样才能安心如厕。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So anytime I would enter a restroom,

每次我走进女厕所的时候，

I would thrust out my chest to show my womanly parts,

我会挺胸以展示我的女性特质，

and try to be as non-threatening as possible.

努力使自己看起来没有威胁。

Putting out my hands and saying, "Hello",

然后伸出手说“你好”，

just so that people could hear my feminine voice.

只为能让人们听到我女性的声音。

This all gets pretty exhausting, but it's just who I am.

这些都令人感到疲惫不堪， 但我就是这样。

I can't be anything else.

我不会是别的样子。

JC: After Nepal, we traveled to India.

JC：离开尼泊尔，我们来到了印度。

On one hand, India is a Hindu society,

一方面，印度是一个印度教传统社会，

without a tradition of homophobia.

没有对同性恋的恐惧。

On the other hand, it is also a society with a deeply patriarchal system,

另一方面，它又是一个 被父权制度深远影响的社会，

which rejects anything that threatens the male-female order.

父权制社会拒绝一切 威胁男女秩序的事情。

When we spoke to activists,

当我们和一些活动家对话时，

they told us that empowerment begins with ensuring proper gender equality,

他们告诉我权利的赋予 必须以男女平等为前提，

where the women's status is established in society.

如果女性在社会中的地位被承认。

And in that way, the status of LGBT people can be affirmed as well.

那么，LGBT群体的地位也就可以得到保障。

LD: There we met Prince Manvendra.

LD：在那里我们见到了Manvendra王子。

He's the world's first openly gay prince.

他是世界上第一个公开出柜的王子。

Prince Manvendra came out on the "Oprah Winfrey Show,"

Manvendra王子在“欧普拉脱口秀”中宣布出柜

very internationally.

举世瞩目。

His parents disowned him

他的父母与他脱离了关系

and accused him of bringing great shame to the royal family.

并指责他为王室蒙羞。

We sat down with Prince Manvendra

我们和Manvendra王子坐在一起

and talked to him about why he decided to come out so very publicly.

讨论他为什么要在如此公开的场合出柜。

Here he is:

这就是他：

(Video) Prince Manvendra: I felt there was a lot of need

（视频）Manvenddra王子： 我认为非常有必要

to break this stigma and discrimination which is existing in our society.

打破我们社会中存在的耻辱感和歧视。

And that instigated me to come out openly and talk about myself.

这促使我公开出柜讲述自己。

Whether we are gay, we are lesbian, we are transgender, bisexual

不论我们是男同性恋，是女同性恋， 是变性人，双性恋

or whatever sexual minority we come from,

或者是少数类性取向，

we have to all unite and fight for our rights.

我们要团结起来 争取我们的权力。

Gay rights cannot be won in the court rooms,

同性恋的权利不是在法庭里赢得的，

but in the hearts and the minds of the people.

而是要赢在人民的思想与心目当中。

JC: While getting my hair cut,

JC：我在剪头发的时候，

the woman cutting my hair asked me,

女理发师问我，

"Do you have a husband?"

“你有丈夫了吗？”

Now, this was a dreaded question

现在，这是个可怕的问题

that I got asked a lot by locals while traveling.

在旅途中，当地人时常会 问我这样的问题。

When I explained to her that I was with a woman instead of a man,

当我向她解释 我和女人交往，而不是男人，

she was incredulous,

她感到很疑惑，

and she asked me a lot of questions about my parents' reactions

她问了很多问题 关于我父母的反应

and whether I was sad that I'd never be able to have children.

以及我会不会悲伤 因为我永远不会有孩子。

I told her that there are no limitations to my life

我告诉她，我的生命没有条条框框

and that Lisa and I do plan to have a family some day.

Lisa和我会在未来组建一个家庭。

Now, this woman was ready to write me off

当时，这位女子已经准备将我

as yet another crazy Westerner.

划分成为另一个疯狂的西方人。

She couldn't imagine that such a phenomenon

她无法想象这种情况

could happen in her own country.

会发生在她自己的国家。

That is, until I showed her the photos of the Supergays

就这样，直到我拿出那些我们在印度采访过的

that we interviewed in India.

超级同志的照片

She recognized Prince Manvendra from television

她认出了视频里的Manvendra王子

and soon I had an audience of other hairdressers

很快，其他发型师也成为了我的观众

interested in meeting me.

他们都很有兴趣与我见面

(Laughter)

（笑声）

And in that ordinary afternoon,

在那个平凡的午后，

I had the chance to introduce an entire beauty salon

我得以向整间发廊的人介绍

to the social changes that were happening in their own country.

发生在她们国家的社会变化。

LD: From India, we traveled to East Africa,

LD：我们从印度旅行到东非，

a region known for intolerance towards LGBT people.

一个被认为对LGBT无法容忍的地方。

In Kenya, 89 percent of people who come out to their families

在肯尼亚，向他们家人出轨的人中有89%

are disowned.

被断绝亲子关系。

Homosexual acts are a crime and can lead to incarceration.

同性恋被认为是一种罪行而遭到监禁。

In Kenya, we met the soft-spoken David Kuria.

在肯尼亚，我们见到了言辞温和的 大卫·库利亚。

David had a huge mission of wanting to work for the poor

大卫有一个伟大目标：为穷人工作

and improve his own government.

并推动政府改革。

So he decided to run for senate.

于是他决定竞选议员。

He became Kenya's first openly gay political candidate.

他成为了肯尼亚第一个 公开出柜的政治候选人。

David wanted to run his campaign without denying the reality of who he was.

大卫决定在竞选时不隐瞒自己的同性恋身份

But we were worried for his safety

但我们很担心他的安全

because he started to receive death threats.

因为他开始受到死亡威胁。

(Video) David Kuria: At that point, I was really scared

（视频）大卫·库利亚： 那时，我一度非常害怕

because they were actually asking for me to be killed.

因为他们真的想要谋杀我。

And, yeah,

然后，嗯，

there are some people out there who do it

有些人真的会这么做

and they feel that they are doing a religious obligation.

并且自认为是在履行宗教义务。

JC: David wasn't ashamed of who he was.

JC：大卫并不为自己的身份而感到羞耻。

Even in the face of threats,

即使面对威胁，

he stayed authentic.

他仍然保持了真实的自己。

LD: At the opposite end of the spectrum is Argentina.

LD：在光谱的另一端是阿根廷。

Argentina's a country where 92 percent of the population identifies as Catholic.

阿根廷有92%的人口是天主教徒。

Yet, Argentina has LGBT laws that are even more progressive

然而，阿根廷对于LGBT的法律

than here in the US.

比起美国还更加进步。

In 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America

在2010年，阿根廷成为 拉丁美洲第一个

and the 10th in the world to adopt marriage equality.

也是世界上第十个 认可同性婚姻平权的国家。

There, we met María Rachid.

在那里，我们见到了Maria Rachid。

María was a driving force behind that movement.

Maria 是那场平权运动的推动力之一。

María Rachid (Spanish): I always say that, in reality,

Maria Rachid （西班牙语）： 我总是说，在现实中，

the effects of marriage equality

婚姻平权的影响不仅限于

are not only for those couples that get married.

那些结了婚的情侣。

They are for a lot of people that, even though they may never get married,

即使对于那些永不结婚的人来说也有意义

will be perceived differently by their coworkers,

因为在国家的婚姻平权政策之下

their families and neighbors,

使他们可以获得同事

from the national state's message of equality.

家人和邻居的理解和包容

I feel very proud of Argentina

我为阿根廷感到非常骄傲

because Argentina today is a model of equality.

因为今日的阿根廷 是平等的楷模。

And hopefully soon,

希望在不远的未来，

the whole world will have the same rights.

整个世界都会享有平等的权利。

JC: When we made the visit to my ancestral lands,

JC：当我们访问 我祖辈生活的国度，

I wish I could have shown my parents what we found there.

我希望能向我的父母展示 我们在那里的发现。

Because here is who we met:

因为，这些是我们遇见的人：

(Video) One, two, three. Welcome gays to Shanghai!

（视频）一，二，三。 欢迎同志们来上海！

(Laughter)

（笑声）

A whole community of young, beautiful Chinese LGBT people.

一个由年轻美丽的LGBT中国人组成的社区。

Sure, they had their struggles.

当然，他们也有自己的斗争。

But they were fighting it out.

但他们的斗争成功了。

In Shanghai, I had the chance to speak to a local lesbian group

在上海，我有幸和当地的 一个女同性恋组织对话

and tell them our story in my broken Mandarin Chinese.

用我蹩脚的中文 向她们讲述我们的故事。

In Taipei, each time we got onto the metro,

在台北，我们每次走入地铁，

we saw yet another lesbian couple holding hands.

就会看见另一组 女同性恋情侣牵着手。

And we learned that Asia's largest LGBT pride event

我们了解到 亚洲最大的LGBT活动傲娇聚会

happens just blocks away from where my grandparents live.

就在我祖父母居住的区域附近。

If only my parents knew.

真希望我的父母也知道。

LD: By the time we finished our not-so-straight journey around the world,

LD：当我们完成这场 “不那么直的”环球旅程，

(Laughter)

（笑声）

we had traveled 50,000 miles

我们走过了5万英里

and logged 120 hours of video footage.

拍摄了120小时的视频片段。

We traveled to 15 countries

我们的旅程跨越了15个国家

and interviewed 50 Supergays.

采访了50个超级同志。

Turns out, it wasn't hard to find them at all.

结果是，找到他们并不难。

JC: Yes, there are still tragedies that happen

JC：是的，在那通往平等的崎岖道路上

on the bumpy road to equality.

仍有悲剧发生。

And let's not forget that 75 countries still criminalize homosexuality today.

我们不要忘记，时至今日 仍有75个国家将同性恋视为犯罪。

But there are also stories of hope and courage

但是，世界各地的每个角落

in every corner of the world.

仍有充满希望和勇气的故事。

What we ultimately took away from our journey is,

我们从这趟旅程获得的感悟是，

equality is not a Western invention.

平等并不是西方的发明。

LD: One of the key factors in this equality movement is momentum,

LD：这场平权运动的关键因素之一就是动力

momentum as more and more people embrace their full selves

这种动力来源于 越来越多的人拥抱真实的自己

and use whatever opportunities they have

用他们所有的一切机会

to change their part of the world,

改变他们所在的地方

and momentum as more and more countries

这种动力也来源于 越来越多的国家

find models of equality in one another.

从其他国家的案例中 找到了平等的方式。

When Nepal protected against LGBT discrimination,

当尼泊尔保护LGBT人群不受歧视，

India pushed harder.

印度更努力地向前推动。

When Argentina embraced marriage equality,

当阿根廷拥抱婚姻平权，

Uruguay and Brazil followed.

乌拉圭和巴西紧随其后。

When Ireland said yes to equality,

当爱尔兰同意平权，

(Applause)

（掌声）

the world stopped to notice.

世界为之驻足。

When the US Supreme Court makes a statement to the world

当美国最高法院向世界宣布

that we can all be proud of.

一个我们都会为之自豪的决定时。

(Applause)

（鼓掌）

JC: As we reviewed our footage,

JC：当我们回顾我们的脚步，

what we realized is that we were watching a love story.

我们才意识到 我们看到的是一个爱情故事。

It wasn't a love story that was expected of me,

不是如我们所料爱情故事，

but it is one filled with more freedom, adventure and love

而是一个我所能想象到的

than I could have ever possibly imagined.

充满自由，冒险和爱情的故事。

One year after returning home from our trip,

在结束旅程回家一年后，

marriage equality came to California.

婚姻平等来到了加利福尼亚。

And in the end, we believe, love will win out.

最终，我们相信， 爱情最终会赢得胜利。

(Video) By the power vested in me,

（视频）根据加利福尼亚州政府，

by the state of California

和全能的上帝

and by God Almighty,

赋予我的权力，

I now pronounce you spouses for life.

我现在宣布你们正式结为夫妻。

You may kiss.

你们可以亲吻了。

(Applause)

（鼓掌）