Khalida Brohi: How I work to protect women from honor killings

Prevodilac: Marina Ivanovic Lektor: Mile Živković

While preparing for my talk

Dok sam pripremala ovaj govor

I was reflecting on my life and trying to figure out

osvrnula sam se na svoj život i pokušala da se setim

where exactly was that moment when my journey began.

kada je tačno započelo moje putovanje.

A long time passed by, and I simply couldn't figure out

Mnogo je vremena prošlo od onda i nisam mogla da se setim

the beginning or the middle or the end of my story.

početka, sredine ili kraja svoje priče.

I always used to think that my beginning

Uvek sam smatrala da je sve počelo

was one afternoon in my community when my mother had told me

jednog poslepodneva u mojoj zajednici kada mi je majka otkrila

that I had escaped three arranged marriages by the time I was two.

da sam do svoje druge godine već izbegla tri ugovorena braka.

Or one evening when electricity had failed for eight hours in our community,

Ili jedne večeri kada osam sati nije bilo struje u našoj zajednici,

and my dad sat, surrounded by all of us,

kad je moj otac seo, sa nama ostalima oko njega

telling us stories of when he was a little kid struggling to go to school

i pričao nam kako je kao dečak morao da se izbori da ide u školu

while his father, who was a farmer, wanted him to work in the fields with him.

dok je njegov otac, farmer, želeo da radi s njim na polju.

Or that dark night when I was 16

Ili jedne tamne noći, kad sam imala šesnaest godina

when three little kids had come to me and they whispered in my ear

kada mi je troje dece prišlo i šapnulo

that my friend was murdered in something called the honor killings.

da je moja prijateljica ubijena u takozvanom ubistvu zbog časti.

But then I realized that,

Ali, onda sam shvatila

as much as I know that these moments have contributed on my journey,

iako znam koliko su ti trenuci doprineli mome putovanju

they have influenced my journey

i uticali na njega,

but they have not been the beginning of it,

oni nisu bili njegov početak.

but the true beginning of my journey was in front of a mud house

već se pravi početak mog putovanja dogodio ispred kuće od blata

in upper Sindh of Pakistan,

u gornjoj provinciji Pakistana,

where my father held the hand of my 14-year-old mother

gde je moj otac držao moju četrnaestogodišnju majku za ruku

and they decided to walk out of the village

kada su odlučili da napuste selo

to go to a town where they could send their kids to school.

i odu u grad, gde će njihova deca moći da idu u školu.

In a way, I feel like my life

Na neki način, osećam da je moj život

is kind of a result of some wise choices and decisions they've made.

posledica mudrih izbora i odluka koje su moji roditelji doneli.

And just like that, another of their decisions

I tako, jedna od njihovih odluka

was to keep me and my siblings connected to our roots.

bila je da u meni i svojoj ostaloj deci zadrže naše korene.

While we were living in a community I fondly remember as called Ribabad,

Dok smo živeli u zajednici koja se zvala Ribabad,

which means community of the poor,

što znači 'zajednica siromašnih',

my dad made sure that we also had a house in our rural homeland.

moj otac se pobrinuo da imamo i kuću u našem ruralnom zavičaju.

I come from an indigenous tribe in the mountains of Balochistan

Dolazim iz domorodačkog plemena sa planine Beludžistan

called Brahui.

poznatije kao Brahui.

Brahui, or Brohi, means mountain dweller, and it is also my language.

Brahui ili Brohi znači 'stanovnik planina' a to je ujedno i moj jezik.

Thanks to my father's very strict rules about connecting to our customs,

Zahvaljujući strogim očevim pravilima o povezanosti s našim običajima,

I had to live a beautiful life of songs, cultures, traditions, stories, mountains,

moj divni život bio je ispunjen pesmama, kulturom, tradicijama, pričama, planinama,

and a lot of sheep.

i s puno ovaca.

But then, living in two extremes

No, život između dva ekstrema

between the traditions of my culture, of my village,

između tradicija moje kulture, sela,

and then modern education in my school wasn't easy.

i modernog obrazovanja u školi nije bio jednostavan.

I was aware that I was the only girl who got to have such freedom,

Bila sam svesna da sam jedina devojčica koja je imala toliku slobodu,

and I was guilty of it.

i bila sam za to kriva.

While going to school in Karachi and Hyderabad,

Dok sam išla u školu u Karači i Hajderabad,

a lot of my cousins and childhood friends were getting married off,

mnoge moje rođake i prijateljice iz detinjstva su se udavale,

some to older men, some in exchange,

neke za starije muškarce, neke u zameni,

some even as second wives.

neke čak i kao druge supruge.

I got to see the beautiful tradition and its magic fade in front of me

Posmatrala sam kako predivna tradicija i njena čarolija blede preda mnom

when I saw that the birth of a girl child was celebrated with sadness,

kada sam videla da se rođenje ženskog deteta slavi tugom,

when women were told to have patience as their main virtue.

kada su ženama govorili da im glavna vrlina mora biti strpljivost.

Up until I was 16,

Do svoje šesnaeste godine

I healed my sadness by crying,

svoju tugu sam lečila plakanjem

mostly at nights when everyone would sleep

uglavnom noću, dok su ostali spavali,

and I would sob in my pillow,

ja bih jecala u svoj jastuk

until that one night when I found out my friend was killed

sve do one noći kada sam saznala da mi je prijateljica ubijena

in the name of honor.

u ime časti.

Honor killings is a custom

Ubistva zbog časti su običaj

where men and women are suspected of having relationships

u kojem se muškarci i žene sumnjiče za vezu

before or outside of the marriage,

pre ili izvan braka,

and they're killed by their family for it.

zbog čega ih ubija neko iz njihove porodice.

Usually the killer is the brother or father or the uncle in the family.

Ubica je najčešće brat, otac ili ujak.

The U.N. reports there are about 1,000 honor murders every year in Pakistan,

Prema izveštaju UN-a svake godine se desi oko 1000 ubistava zbog časti u Pakistanu,

and these are only the reported cases.

a to su samo prijavljeni slučajevi.

A custom that kills did not make any sense to me,

Običaj koji ubija nije imao smisla za mene

and I knew I had to do something about it this time.

i znala sam da moram nešto preduzeti.

I was not going to cry myself to sleep.

Nisam želela da plačući idem na spvanje,

naumila sam da učinim nešto, bilo šta, da to zaustavim.

I was going to do something, anything, to stop it.

I was 16 -- I started writing poetry

Bilo mi je 16 godina kada sam počela da pišem poeziju

and going door to door telling everybody about honor killings

i idem od vrata do vrata govoreći svima o ubistvima iz časti:

and why it happens, why it should be stopped,

zašto se događaju, zašto moraju prestati,

and raising awareness about it

i šireći svest o tome,

until I actually found a much, much better way to handle this issue.

sve dok nisam pronašla mnogo bolji način da rešim ovaj problem.

In those days, we were living in a very small, one-roomed house in Karachi.

U to vreme smo živeli u vrlo maloj jednosobnoj kući u Karačiju.

Every year, during the monsoon seasons, our house would flood up with water --

Svake godine, za vreme sezone monsuna, naša kuća bi poplavila

rainwater and sewage --

zbog kiše i kanalizacije

and my mom and dad would be taking the water out.

i moji roditelji bi vadili vodu napolje.

In those days, my dad brought home a huge machine, a computer.

U to vreme, moj otac je doneo kući ogromnu mašinu - kompjuter.

It was so big it looked as if it was going to take up half of the only room we had,

Bio je toliko velik da se činilo kao da će zauzeti pola naše jedine sobe.

and had so many pieces and wires that needed to be connected.

Imao je puno delova i žica koje je trebalo spojiti.

But it was still the most exciting thing

No, to je ipak bila najuzbudljivija stvar

that has ever happened to me and my sisters.

koja se ikada dogodila meni i mojim sestrama.

My oldest brother Ali got to be in charge of taking care of the computer,

Moj najstariji brat Ali bio je zadužen za brigu oko kompjutera,

and all of us were given 10 to 15 minutes every day to use it.

i svako od nas dobio je 10 do 15 minuta svaki dan da ga koristi.

Being the oldest of eight kids,

Budući da sam najstarija od osmoro dece,

I got to use it the last,

mogla sam poslednja da ga koristim,

and that was after I had washed the dishes,

i to tek nakon što bih oprala posuđe,

cleaned the house, made dinner with my mom,

očistila kuću, pripremila večeru s majkom,

and put blankets on the floor for everyone to sleep,

i postavila ćebad po podu da svi mogu da spavaju,

and after that, I would run to the computer,

i nakon toga, otrčala bih do kompjutera,

connect it to the Internet,

povezala ga s internetom,

and have pure joy and wonder for 10 to 15 minutes.

i uživala u čistoj radosti i čuđenju 10 do 15 minuta.

In those days, I had discovered a website called Joogle.

Tada sam otkrila internet stranicu koja se zvala Džugl.

[Google] (Laughter)

[Google] (Smeh)

In my frantic wish to do something about this custom,

U svojoj prevelikoj želji da preduzmem nešto u vezi s ovim običajem,

I made use of Google and discovered Facebook,

iskoristila sam Gugl i otkrila Fejsbuk,

a website where people can connect to anyone around the world,

stranicu gde se ljudi mogu povezati s bilo kime na svetu,

and so, from my very tiny, cement-roofed room in Karachi,

i iz svoje sitne sobe sa cementnim krovom u Karačiju,

I connected with people in the U.K., the U.S., Australia and Canada,

povezala sam se s ljudima u Britaniji, SAD-u, Australiji i Kanadi,

and created a campaign called

i stvorila kampanju zvanu

WAKE UP Campaign against Honor Killings.

WAKE UP, protiv ubistva zbog časti.

It became enormous in just a few months.

Postala je ogromna za samo par meseci.

I got a lot of support from all around the world.

Dobila sam mnogo podrške iz celog sveta.

Media was connecting to us.

Mediji su se povezivali s nama.

A lot of people were reaching out trying to raise awareness with us.

Mnogo se ljudi pokrenulo i zajedno s nama pokušalo podići svest.

It became so big that it went from online to the streets of my hometown,

Postala je toliko značajna da je prešla iz virtualnog sveta na ulice mog grada,

where we would do rallies and strikes

gde smo se okupljali i štrajkovali

trying to change the policies in Pakistan for women's support.

pokušavajući promeniti pakistanske zakone o podršci ženama.

And while I thought everything was perfect,

Dok sam mislila da je sve savršeno,

my team -- which was basically my friends and neighbors at that time --

moj tim, koji se sastojao od mojih prijateljica i tadašnjih suseda,

thought everything was going so well,

verovao je da sve ide dobro,

we had no idea a big opposition was coming to us.

no nismo imali pojma da će nam se suprotstaviti jaka opozicija.

My community stood up against us,

Usprotivila nam se moja vlastita zajednica,

saying we were spreading un-Islamic behavior.

tvrdeći da širimo anti-islamsko ponašanje.

We were challenging centuries-old customs in those communities.

Napadali smo stoletne običaje u tim zajednicama.

I remember my father receiving anonymous letters

Sećam se da je moj otac dobijao anonimna pisma poput:

saying, "Your daughter is spreading Western culture

"Tvoja kćerka širi zapadnjačku kulturu

in the honorable societies."

u časnim zajednicama."

Our car was stoned at one point.

Jednom su i kamenovali naš auto.

One day I went to the office and found our metal signboard

Kad sam jedan dan otišla do kancelarije, pronašla sam našu metalnu ploču s natpisom

wrinkled and broken as if a lot of people had been hitting it with something heavy.

izgužvanu i razbijenu kao da ju je gomila ljudi izudarala teškim predmetom.

Things got so bad that I had to hide myself in many ways.

Stanje se toliko pogoršalo da sam morala da se sakrivam na razne načine.

I would put up the windows of the car,

Zatvarala bih prozore automobila,

veil my face, not speak while I was in public,

zaklanjala lice velom, ne bih govorila u javnosti,

but eventually situations got worse when my life was threatened,

no naposletku je stanje eskaliralo kada su mi počeli pretiti smrću,

and I had to leave, back to Karachi, and our actions stopped.

i morala sam se vratiti u Karači, i prekinuti s našim akcijama.

Back in Karachi, as an 18-year-old,

U Karačiju, kao osamnaestogodišnjakinja,

I thought this was the biggest failure of my entire life.

smatrala sam da je to najveći promašaj u mom celom životu.

I was devastated.

Bila sam očajna.

As a teenager, I was blaming myself for everything that happened.

Kao adolescentkinja, krivila sam samu sebe za sve što se dogodilo.

And it turns out, when we started reflecting,

Kada smo analizirali sve, ispostavilo se

we did realize that it was actually me and my team's fault.

da smo ja i moj tim zaista bili krivci.

There were two big reasons why our campaign had failed big time.

Dva su glavna razloga velikog neuspeha naše kampanje.

One of those, the first reason,

Prvi razlog bio je taj

is we were standing against core values of people.

što smo se usprotivili nečijim temeljnim vrednostima.

We were saying no to something that was very important to them,

Pobijali smo nešto što im je bilo vrlo bitno,

challenging their code of honor,

napadali njihov kod časti,

and hurting them deeply in the process.

i time ih duboko ranjavali.

And number two, which was very important for me to learn,

Drugi razlog, što sam trebala naučiti,

and amazing, and surprising for me to learn,

i što mi je bilo zapanjujuće i iznenađujuće,

was that we were not including the true heroes

bio je taj što nismo uključili istinske heroje

who should be fighting for themselves.

koji su trebali da se bore za sebe.

The women in the villages had no idea we were fighting for them in the streets.

Žene u selima nisu imale pojma da se borimo za njih na ulicama.

Every time I would go back,

Svaki put kada bih se vratila,

I would find my cousins and friends with scarves on their faces,

nailazila bih na svoje rođake i prijateljice sa velom na licu,

and I would ask, "What happened?"

i pitala bih ih šta se dogodilo.

And they'd be like, "Our husbands beat us."

Odgovorile bi da su ih muževi tukli.

But we are working in the streets for you!

Ali mi smo se borili za njih na ulicama!

We are changing the policies.

Menjali smo zakone.

How is that not impacting their life?

Kako to nije imalo uticaja na njihove živote?

So then we found out something which was very amazing for us.

Tada smo okrili nešto zapanjujuće.

The policies of a country

Zakoni neke zemlje

do not necessarily always affect the tribal and rural communities.

ne utiču nužno uvek na plemenske i ruralne zajednice.

It was devastating -- like, oh, we can't actually do something about this?

To je bilo poražavajuće - zar ne možemo učiniti ništa u vezi s ovim?

And we found out there's a huge gap

Otkrili smo da postoji veliki jaz

when it comes to official policies and the real truth on the ground.

između politike i prave istine u lokalnim sredinama.

So this time, we were like, we are going to do something different.

Ovaj put smo odlučili delovati drukčije.

We are going to use strategy,

Planirali smo da upotrebimo strategiju,

and we are going to go back and apologize.

da se vratimo i izvinimo se.

Yes, apologize.

Da, izvinimo se.

We went back to the communities

Vratili smo se u zajednice,

and we said we are very ashamed of what we did.

i rekli im da se stidimo zbog svega što smo radili,

We are here to apologize, and in fact, we are here to make it up to you.

da smo došli da se izvinimo i nadoknadimo štetu koju smo prouzrokovali.

How do we do that?

Kako smo to uradili?

We are going to promote three of your main cultures.

Promovisaćemo njihove tri glavne kulture.

We know that it's music, language, and embroidery.

Muziku, jezik i vez.

Nobody believed us.

Niko nam nije verovao.

Nobody wanted to work with us.

Niko nije hteo da sarađuje s nama.

It took a lot of convincing and discussions with these communities

Trebalo je puno uveravanja i diskusija s tim zajednicama

until they agreed that we are going to promote their language

dok nisu pristale da promovišemo njihov jezik

by making a booklet of their stories, fables and old tales in the tribe,

tako što ćemo objaviti pamflet s pričama, bajkama i njihovim starim pripovetkama

and we would promote their music

i promovisaćemo njihovu muziku

by making a CD of the songs from the tribe, and some drumbeating.

tako što ćemo napraviti CD s pesmama njihovog plemena i bubnjanjem.

And the third, which was my favorite,

I treće, meni najdraže,

was we would promote their embroidery by making a center in the village

promovirali bismo njihov vez tako da osnujemo centar u selu

where women would come every day to make embroidery.

gde bi žene mogle svakodnevno dolaziti i izrađivati vezove.

And so it began.

I tako je započelo.

We worked with one village, and we started our first center.

Sarađivali smo s jednim selom, i pokrenuli smo svoj prvi centar.

It was a beautiful day.

Bio je to predivan dan.

We started the center.

Osnovali smo centar.

Women were coming to make embroidery,

Žene su dolazile da izrađuju vezove,

and going through a life-changing process of education,

i prolazile su kroz edukaciju koja im je menjala život,

learning about their rights, what Islam says about their rights,

učile su o svojim pravima, šta Islam govori o njihovim pravilima,

and enterprise development, how they can create money,

i razvoju preduzetništva, kako mogu stvarati novac,

and then how they can create money from money,

i potom kako mogu iz tog novca stvoriti novac,

how they can fight the customs that have been destroying their lives

kako se mogu boriti protiv običaja koji su im uništavali život

from so many centuries,

toliko stoleća,

because in Islam, in reality,

jer prema Islamu, zapravo,

women are supposed to be shoulder to shoulder with men.

žene bi trebale stajati rame uz rame muškarcima.

Women have so much status that we have not been hearing,

Žene imaju visoki status o kojem se ne govori,

that they have not been hearing,

o kojem im se nije govorilo,

and we needed to tell them that they need to know

i morali smo im reći da treba da znaju

where their rights are and how to take them by themselves,

kakva su im prava i kako da se same zauzmu za njih,

because they can do it and we can't.

jer one to mogu da urade, za razliku od nas.

So this was the model which actually came out -- very amazing.

To je model koji smo razradili - jako uzbudljivo.

Through embroidery we were promoting their traditions.

Kroz vez smo promovisali njihovu kulturu.

We went into the village. We would mobilize the community.

Odlazili smo u sela i pokretali zajednice.

We would make a center inside where 30 women will come

Osnovali bismo tamo centar u koji bi dolazilo 30 žena

for six months to learn about value addition of traditional embroidery,

na šest meseci kako bi učile o vrednosti koju ima tradicionalan vez,

enterprise development, life skills and basic education,

o razvoju preduzetništva, životnim veštinama i osnovnoj edukaciji,

and about their rights and how to say no to those customs

o svojim pravima i kako da se suprotstave tim običajima

and how to stand as leaders for themselves and the society.

te kako da postanu vođe za same sebe i vođe u svom društvu.

After six months, we would connect these women to loans and to markets

Posle šest meseci, mogli smo da povežemo te žene sa kreditima i tržištima

where they can become local entrepreneurs in their communities.

gde su mogle postati lokalne preduzetnice u svojim zajednicama.

We soon called this project Sughar.

Uskoro smo ovaj projekat nazvali Sughar.

Sughar is a local word used in many, many languages in Pakistan.

Sughar je lokalna reč koja se koristi u mnogim jezicima u Pakistanu.

It means skilled and confident women.

Označava iskusne i samouverene žene.

I truly believe, to create women leaders, there's only one thing you have to do:

Zaista verujem da je potrebna samo jedna stvar da stvorimo žene vođe:

Just let them know that they have what it takes to be a leader.

Treba ih samo uveriti da poseduju sve kvalitete kako bi postale vođe.

These women you see here,

Ove žene koje vidite,

they have strong skills and potential to be leaders.

poseduju snažne veštine i potencijal da postanu vođe.

All we had to do was remove the barriers that surrounded them,

Mi smo jedino trebali da uklonimo granice koje su ih okruživale,

and that's what we decided to do.

i odlučili smo to da napravimo.

But then while we were thinking everything was going well,

No, dok smo mislili da sve ide u dobrom smeru,

once again everything was fantastic,

sve je opet bilo odlično,

we found our next setback:

naišli smo na sledeću prepreku:

A lot of men started seeing the visible changes in their wife.

Mnogi muškarci počeli su primećivati promene kod svojih žena.

She's speaking more, she's making decisions --

Više su pričale, donosile odluke -

oh my gosh, she's handling everything in the house.

vodile celo domaćinstvo.

They stopped them from coming to the centers,

Zabranili su im da dolaze u centre,

and this time, we were like, okay, time for strategy two.

te smo se ovaj put odlučili za drugu strategiju.

We went to the fashion industry in Pakistan

Obratili smo se pakistanskoj modnoj industriji

and decided to do research about what happens there.

i odlučili da istražimo šta se tamo događa.

Turns out the fashion industry in Pakistan is very strong and growing day by day,

Ispostavilo se da je modna industrija u Pakistanu vrlo jaka i da se brzo razvija

but there is less contribution from the tribal areas

no da u plemenskim područjima postoji manji doprinos toj industriji

and to the tribal areas, especially women.

kao što je i manji doprinos tim područjima, posebno ženama.

So we decided to launch our first ever tribal women's very own fashion brand,

Odlučili smo da pokrenemo našu prvu modnu marku za žene u plemenima,

which is now called Nomads.

koja se zove Nomads.

And so women started earning more,

Tako su žene počele da zarađuju više,

they started contributing more financially to the house,

da više novčano doprinose domaćinstvu,

and men had to think again before saying no to them

a muškarci su morali dvaput da razmisle pre nego im zabrane

when they were coming to the centers.

da odlaze u centre.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Thank you, thank you.

Hvala, hvala.

In 2013, we launched our first Sughar Hub instead of a center.

Godine 2013. pokrenuli smo prvi Sughar Hub umesto centra.

We partnered with TripAdvisor

Sklopili smo partnerski odnos s TripAdvisor-om

and created a cement hall in the middle of a village

i izgradili betonsku dvoranu usred sela

and invited so many other organizations to work over there.

i pozvali mnoge druge organizatore da dođu da rade tamo.

We created this platform for the nonprofits

Kreirali smo platformu za neprofitna udruženja

so they can touch and work on the other issues

tako da se mogu baviti drugim problemima

that Sughar is not working on,

kojima se Sughar ne bavi,

which would be an easy place for them to give trainings,

a to bi im bilo zgodno mesto na kojima bi mogli organizovati treninge,

use it as a farmer school, even as a marketplace,

ili koristili kao školu za farmere, čak i kao pijacu,

and anything they want to use it for,

ili za bilo kakvu drugu svrhu,

and they have been doing really amazingly.

a zaista odlično napreduju.

And so far, we have been able to support 900 women

Do sada smo uspeli da pružimo pomoć 900 žena,

in 24 villages around Pakistan.

u 24 sela širom Pakistana.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

But that's actually not what I want.

No, to nije ono što ja želim.

My dream is to reach out to one million women in the next 10 years,

Moj je san da u sledećih 10 godina pomognemo milion žena,

and to make sure that happens,

a da nam to uspe,

this year we launched Sughar Foundation in the U.S.

ove godine smo pokrenuli fondaciju Sughar u SAD-u.

It is not just going to fund Sughar but many other organizations in Pakistan

Ona neće samo financirati Sughar već i mnoge druge organizacije u Pakistanu

to replicate the idea

s ciljem da se ta ideja umnoži

and to find even more innovative ways

i da se pronađe još više inovativnih načina

to unleash the rural women's potential in Pakistan.

kako bismo oslobodili potencijal svih žena u ruralnom Pakistanu.

Thank you so much.

Hvala vam puno.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Hvala. Hvala. Hvala.

Chris Anderson: Khalida, you are quite the force of nature.

Kris Anderson: Kalida, ti si prava sila prirode.

I mean, this story, in many ways, just seems beyond belief.

Ova priča se, na mnogo načina, čini jednostavno neverovatnom.

It's incredible that someone so young could do achieve this much

Neverovatno je da neko tako mlad može postići ovoliko puno

through so much force and ingenuity.

uz toliku snagu i domišljatost.

So I guess one question:

Moje pitanje je:

This is a spectacular dream to reach out and empower a million women --

Ovo je izuzetan san - obuhvatiti i osnažiti milion žena -

how much of the current success depends on you,

koliko trenutnog uspeha zavisi od tebe,

the force of this magnetic personality?

od snage tvoje očaravajuće ličnosti?

How does it scale?

Koliki je njen uticaj?

Khalida Brohi: I think my job is to give the inspiration out,

Kalida Brohi: Smatram da je moj zadatak da šaljem inspiraciju,

give my dream out.

da delim svoj san s drugima.

I can't teach how to do it, because there are so many different ways.

Ne mogu naučiti druge kako da to naprave, jer postoji jako mnogo načina.

We have been experimenting with three ways only.

Mi smo isprobali samo tri načina.

There are a hundred different ways to unleash potential in women.

Postoji stotine načina kako možemo osloboditi potencijal u ženama.

I would just give the inspiration and that's my job.

Ja samo inspirišem i to je moj zadatak.

I will keep doing it. Sughar will still be growing.

Nastaviću s tim. Sguhar će i dalje rasti.

We are planning to reach out to two more villages,

Planiramo da obuhvatimo još dva sela,

and soon I believe we will be scaling out of Pakistan

i verujem da ćemo se uskoro proširiti izvan Pakistana

into South Asia and beyond.

u južnu Aziju i dalje.

CA: I love that when you talked about your team in the talk,

KA: Sviđa mi se kako si pričala o svojem timu,

I mean, you were all 18 at the time.

vi ste svi u to vreme imali 18 godina.

What did this team look like?

Kako je izgledao taj tim?

This was school friends, right?

To su bile tvoje prijateljice iz škole?

KB: Do people here believe that I'm at an age

KB: Nećete verovati da sam sada u uzrastu

where I'm supposed to be a grandmother in my village?

kada bih u svome selu već trebala biti baka.

My mom was married at nine, and I am the oldest woman not married

Moja majka je bila udata sa 9 godina, a ja sam najstarija neudata žena

and not doing anything in my life in my village.

koja ne radi ništa u svome selu.

CA: Wait, wait, wait, not doing anything?

KA: Čekaj, ne radiš ništa?

KB: No. CA: You're right.

KB: Ne. KA: Imaš pravo.

KB: People feel sorry for me, a lot of times.

KB: Ljudi me često sažaljevaju.

CA: But how much time are you spending now actually back in Balochistan?

KA: Koliko vremena provodiš u Baločistanu?

KB: I live over there.

KB: Tamo živim.

We live between, still, Karachi and Balochistan.

Još uvek živimo na relaciji Karači - Baločistan.

My siblings are all going to school.

Moja braća i sestre još pohađaju školu.

I am still the oldest of eight siblings.

Ja sam najstarija od osmoro dece.

CA: But what you're doing is definitely threatening to some people there.

KA: No, ovo što radiš sigurno nekim ljudima predstavlja pretnju.

How do you handle safety? Do you feel safe?

Kako se štitiš? Osećaš li se sigurno?

Are there issues there?

Ima li tamo problema?

KB: This question has come to me a lot of times before,

KB: Često me to pitaju,

and I feel like the word "fear" just comes to me and then drops,

a ja smatram da me reč "strah" dotakne i onda ode;

but there is one fear that I have that is different from that.

no, imam jedan drukčiji strah.

The fear is that if I get killed, what would happen to the people

Bojim se šta će biti sa svim ljudima koji me vole

who love me so much?

ako ja poginem.

My mom waits for me till late at night that I should come home.

Moja majka me čeka dugo u noć dok se ne vratim kući.

My sisters want to learn so much from me,

Moje sestre žele puno da nauče od mene,

and there are many, many girls in my community who want to talk to me

i u mojoj zajednici ima mnogo devojaka koje žele da razgovaraju sa mnom

and ask me different things,

i pitaju me razne stvari,

and I recently got engaged. (Laughs)

a nedavno sam se i verila. (Smeh)

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

CA: Is he here? You've got to stand up.

KA: Da li je on ovde?

(Applause)

Moraš da ustaneš.

KB: Escaping arranged marriages, I chose my own husband

KB: Bežeći od ugovorenog braka, sama sam izabrala muža za sebe,

across the world in L.A., a really different world.

s druge strane sveta u Los Angelesu, u zaista drukčijem svetu.

I had to fight for a whole year. That's totally a different story.

Morala sam se boriti godinu dana. No, to je sasvim druga priča.

But I think that's the only thing that I'm afraid of,

Mislim da je to jedino čega se bojim,

and I don't want my mom to not see anyone when she waits in the night.

ne želim da me moja majka ne dočeka.

CA: So people who want to help you on their way,

KA: Mogu li ljudi koji ti žele pomoći,

they can go on, they can maybe buy some of these clothes

možda kupiti odeću

that you're bringing over

koju donosiš sa sobom

that are actually made, the embroidery is done back in Balochistan?

koja je proizvedena, vezena u Baločistanu?

KB: Yeah.

KB: Tako je.

CA: Or they can get involved in the foundation.

KA: Mogu li se uključiti u fondaciju?

KB: Definitely. We are looking for as many people as we can,

KB: Svakako. Tražimo što više ljudi,

because now that the foundation's in the beginning process,

jer sada kada je fondacija u početnoj fazi,

I am trying to learn a lot about how to operate,

trudim se da naučim kako da radim,

how to get funding or reach out to more organizations,

kako da prikupim novac ili kontaktiram druge organizacije,

and especially in the e-commerce, which is very new for me.

posebno u trgovini preko interneta, što je za mene nešto sasvim novo.

I mean, I am not a fashion person, believe me.

Nisam baš osoba koja se bavi modom.

CA: Well, it's been incredible to have you here.

KA: Bila nam je čast ugostiti te ovde.

Please go on being courageous, go on being smart, and please stay safe.

Budi i dalje hrabra, i pametna i čuvaj se.

KB: Thank you so much. CA: Thank you, Khalida. (Applause)

KB: Hvala vam puno. KA: Hvala tebi, Kalida. (Aplauz)