Khalida Brohi: How I work to protect women from honor killings

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翻译人员: Min WANG 校对人员: Qiu [email protected]
00:12
While preparing for my talk
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当我准备演讲的时候,
00:15
I was reflecting on my life and trying to figure out
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我在反思我的人生并试着想出
00:19
where exactly was that moment when my journey began.
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我的旅程是从何时开始的。
00:24
A long time passed by, and I simply couldn't figure out
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很长时间过去了,但我还是不知道
00:26
the beginning or the middle or the end of my story.
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自己故事的开头,中间,结尾在哪。
00:29
I always used to think that my beginning
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我一向以为故事开始于,
00:31
was one afternoon in my community when my mother had told me
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那个在社区的下午,妈妈告诉我
00:35
that I had escaped three arranged marriages by the time I was two.
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两岁时我就逃过了三次包办婚姻。
00:40
Or one evening when electricity had failed for eight hours in our community,
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或一天晚上社区停了八小时电,
00:44
and my dad sat, surrounded by all of us,
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我们围坐在爸爸周围,
00:46
telling us stories of when he was a little kid struggling to go to school
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听他讲自己小时候争取上学,
00:50
while his father, who was a farmer, wanted him to work in the fields with him.
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而身为农民的父亲想让他 在田地里和他一起劳作的故事。
00:54
Or that dark night when I was 16
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或我十六岁那年的一个深夜,
00:57
when three little kids had come to me and they whispered in my ear
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三个小孩对我耳语道,
01:02
that my friend was murdered in something called the honor killings.
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我的朋友因“有损家庭荣誉”而被杀害。
01:08
But then I realized that,
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但我意识到,
01:10
as much as I know that these moments have contributed on my journey,
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尽管这些事情是我旅程的一部分,
01:13
they have influenced my journey
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影响了这旅程,
01:15
but they have not been the beginning of it,
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但他们都不是起点,
01:17
but the true beginning of my journey was in front of a mud house
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而真正的起点是在巴基斯坦,上信德省
01:22
in upper Sindh of Pakistan,
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一座土坯房前,
01:24
where my father held the hand of my 14-year-old mother
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我父亲拉着我十四岁的母亲,
01:27
and they decided to walk out of the village
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他们决定离开这个村子,
01:29
to go to a town where they could send their kids to school.
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去一个能够让孩子们上学的镇子的时候。
01:32
In a way, I feel like my life
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从某种程度来看,我觉得我的人生
01:35
is kind of a result of some wise choices and decisions they've made.
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是他们的明智选择和决定的结果。
01:40
And just like that, another of their decisions
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与此相同,他们的另外一个决定
01:43
was to keep me and my siblings connected to our roots.
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是让我和兄弟姐妹们保留着传统。
01:46
While we were living in a community I fondly remember as called Ribabad,
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以前住在一个我怀念的 被称作 Ribabad 的社区,
01:51
which means community of the poor,
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意思是穷人的社区,
01:53
my dad made sure that we also had a house in our rural homeland.
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爸爸保证我们在乡下也能有个房子。
01:57
I come from an indigenous tribe in the mountains of Balochistan
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我来自俾路支省山区的一个土著部落
02:00
called Brahui.
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叫做 Brahui。
02:02
Brahui, or Brohi, means mountain dweller, and it is also my language.
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Brahui 或者 Brohi,意思是 住在山上的人,同时也是我的语言。
02:07
Thanks to my father's very strict rules about connecting to our customs,
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多亏父亲坚持保持传统习俗,
02:11
I had to live a beautiful life of songs, cultures, traditions, stories, mountains,
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我的生活才得以充满 歌谣,文化,传统,故事,山脉
02:17
and a lot of sheep.
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和羊群。
02:19
But then, living in two extremes
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但当时,生活在两个极端间并不容易。
02:22
between the traditions of my culture, of my village,
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一边是传统乡村文化,
02:26
and then modern education in my school wasn't easy.
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一边是学校的现代教育。
02:29
I was aware that I was the only girl who got to have such freedom,
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当时我明白我是唯一一个拥有如此自由的女孩,
02:34
and I was guilty of it.
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而且我为之愧疚。
02:36
While going to school in Karachi and Hyderabad,
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当我在卡拉奇和海德拉巴上学时,
02:40
a lot of my cousins and childhood friends were getting married off,
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我许多表姐妹和儿时玩伴都嫁人了,
02:44
some to older men, some in exchange,
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一些嫁给了比她们年长的男人, 一些则作为交换。
02:46
some even as second wives.
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一些甚至作为小老婆。
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I got to see the beautiful tradition and its magic fade in front of me
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当我看到人们伤心地 庆祝一个新生的女婴时,
02:54
when I saw that the birth of a girl child was celebrated with sadness,
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当女人们被教导耐心 是最大的美德时,
02:59
when women were told to have patience as their main virtue.
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我亲眼见到那些美丽的传统 和它的魔力在我眼前消逝,
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Up until I was 16,
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直到十六岁时,
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I healed my sadness by crying,
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我用哭泣抚平了悲伤,
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mostly at nights when everyone would sleep
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大多在别人都入眠时,
03:11
and I would sob in my pillow,
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我把自己埋在枕头中哭泣,
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until that one night when I found out my friend was killed
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直到我发现我的朋友被杀害,
03:17
in the name of honor.
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以维护荣誉之名。
03:20
Honor killings is a custom
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因有损荣誉被杀是一种习俗,
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where men and women are suspected of having relationships
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当男人和女人在结婚前
03:26
before or outside of the marriage,
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或婚姻关系外发生关系时,
03:27
and they're killed by their family for it.
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他们会收到惩罚被他们的家人杀死。
03:29
Usually the killer is the brother or father or the uncle in the family.
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凶杀者通常是他们的兄弟 或父亲或者家族里的叔父。
03:34
The U.N. reports there are about 1,000 honor murders every year in Pakistan,
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联合国的报道说巴基斯坦每年都有一千个 因荣誉而被杀的人,
03:39
and these are only the reported cases.
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然而这些仅仅是被记录的人数。
03:41
A custom that kills did not make any sense to me,
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我无法接受这样的习俗,
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and I knew I had to do something about it this time.
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我知道我该做一些事情了。
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I was not going to cry myself to sleep.
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我没有哭着入睡了。
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I was going to do something, anything, to stop it.
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我想要做一些事情, 任何可以阻止这个习俗的事情。
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I was 16 -- I started writing poetry
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我当时16岁,我开始写诗,
03:54
and going door to door telling everybody about honor killings
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以及挨家挨户向人们讲诉 关于因荣誉而杀人的事情,
03:57
and why it happens, why it should be stopped,
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为什么这样的事情会发生, 为什么需要阻止。
04:00
and raising awareness about it
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以及要对这件事情提高惊醒的意识,
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until I actually found a much, much better way to handle this issue.
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直到我发现一个更好的方法处理这件事。
04:06
In those days, we were living in a very small, one-roomed house in Karachi.
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在那段时间里,我们住在卡拉奇一个很小 只有一个房间的房子里。
04:13
Every year, during the monsoon seasons, our house would flood up with water --
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每年,在雨季,我们的房子都会被雨水
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rainwater and sewage --
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或下水道的污水淹没。
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and my mom and dad would be taking the water out.
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我的父母只能将家里的水清理出去。
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In those days, my dad brought home a huge machine, a computer.
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在那段时间,我的父亲带回了 一台大设备,电脑。
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It was so big it looked as if it was going to take up half of the only room we had,
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电脑看起来很大,几乎要 占据我们唯一一间房间的一半。
04:32
and had so many pieces and wires that needed to be connected.
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并且有好多零件和电线需要连接。
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But it was still the most exciting thing
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但是拥有电脑依然对我和我的姐妹来说
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that has ever happened to me and my sisters.
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是有史以来最兴奋的事情。
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My oldest brother Ali got to be in charge of taking care of the computer,
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我最大的弟弟Ali负责看管这台电脑,
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and all of us were given 10 to 15 minutes every day to use it.
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我们所有人每天都有10-15分钟 可以使用这台电脑。
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Being the oldest of eight kids,
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作为8个孩子中最大的,
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I got to use it the last,
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我总是最后一个使用,
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and that was after I had washed the dishes,
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并且用电脑前我需要洗碗,
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cleaned the house, made dinner with my mom,
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打扫房子,和妈妈做晚饭,
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and put blankets on the floor for everyone to sleep,
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还要将毯子铺在地上让大家睡觉,
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and after that, I would run to the computer,
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做完这些事情后,我才可以用电脑,
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connect it to the Internet,
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连接网络,
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and have pure joy and wonder for 10 to 15 minutes.
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才可以拥有10至15分钟纯粹的乐趣和好奇。
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In those days, I had discovered a website called Joogle.
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最近,我发现了一个叫 Joogle 的网站.
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[Google] (Laughter)
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[Google](笑)
05:19
In my frantic wish to do something about this custom,
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为了实现对这样的习俗采取行动的疯狂心愿 ,
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I made use of Google and discovered Facebook,
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我使用谷歌以及探索 Facebook,
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a website where people can connect to anyone around the world,
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一个可以将全世界各地的人连在一起的网站,
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and so, from my very tiny, cement-roofed room in Karachi,
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在我小小的、水泥屋顶的位于卡拉奇房间里,
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I connected with people in the U.K., the U.S., Australia and Canada,
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我与来自英国、美国、澳大利亚以及加拿大的人相识,
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and created a campaign called
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并创办了一个叫
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WAKE UP Campaign against Honor Killings.
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反对荣誉谋杀的唤醒运动。
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It became enormous in just a few months.
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在几个月内,这个活动引起了巨大的关注,
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I got a lot of support from all around the world.
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我获得来自世界各地的支持。
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Media was connecting to us.
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媒体开始与我联系。
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A lot of people were reaching out trying to raise awareness with us.
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很多人主动参与试图和我们一起提高警觉意识。
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It became so big that it went from online to the streets of my hometown,
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这个活动的影响力从网络渗透到我家乡的街上,
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where we would do rallies and strikes
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为了得到女性的支持,我们一起上街抗议,
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trying to change the policies in Pakistan for women's support.
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试图影响巴基斯坦的一些政策。
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And while I thought everything was perfect,
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然而我认为一切太美好了,
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my team -- which was basically my friends and neighbors at that time --
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我的团队-在那时候大部分是我的朋友和邻居-
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thought everything was going so well,
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认为所有活动都进展得很顺利,
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we had no idea a big opposition was coming to us.
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我们不知道一个巨大的阻力正朝我们而来。
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My community stood up against us,
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我的社区站出来反对我们,
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saying we were spreading un-Islamic behavior.
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说我们正常传播反穆斯林的行为。
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We were challenging centuries-old customs in those communities.
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我们正在这些社区挑战古老的传统习俗。
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I remember my father receiving anonymous letters
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我记得我的父亲收到几封匿名来信
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saying, "Your daughter is spreading Western culture
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信上说,“你的女儿正在光荣的社会里
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in the honorable societies."
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传播西方文化。”
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Our car was stoned at one point.
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有一次我们的车甚至被扔石头。
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One day I went to the office and found our metal signboard
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有一天我去到办公室发现我们的金属标志牌
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wrinkled and broken as if a lot of people had been hitting it with something heavy.
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被弄坏了,看起来像是很多人拿很重的东西砸的。
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Things got so bad that I had to hide myself in many ways.
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事情开始变糟,我不得不采取很多方法藏起来。
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I would put up the windows of the car,
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在车里,我得把车窗关上,
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veil my face, not speak while I was in public,
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带上面罩,不能在公共场所讲话,
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but eventually situations got worse when my life was threatened,
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但是最后事情变得更糟糕,我的生命受到了威胁,
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and I had to leave, back to Karachi, and our actions stopped.
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我不得不离开,回到卡拉奇, 我们的行动也停止了。
07:09
Back in Karachi, as an 18-year-old,
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回到卡拉奇,对于一名18岁的女孩来说,
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I thought this was the biggest failure of my entire life.
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我认为这是我人生中最大的失败。
07:18
I was devastated.
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我被打败了。
07:20
As a teenager, I was blaming myself for everything that happened.
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当时还是一名青少年的我,对于 发生的这一切,我谴责我自己。
07:23
And it turns out, when we started reflecting,
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当我们开始反省,
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we did realize that it was actually me and my team's fault.
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我们意识到这是我以及我团队的错误。
07:31
There were two big reasons why our campaign had failed big time.
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我们的活动之所以有如此大的失败有两个主要原因。
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One of those, the first reason,
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第一个原因是,
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is we were standing against core values of people.
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我们触犯了人们的核心价值观。
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We were saying no to something that was very important to them,
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我们向一些对人们很重要的事情说“不”,
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challenging their code of honor,
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挑战了他们的荣誉准则,
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and hurting them deeply in the process.
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并且在过程中极大的破坏了这些准则。
07:51
And number two, which was very important for me to learn,
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第二,对我来说学到了很重要,
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and amazing, and surprising for me to learn,
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很惊讶的一件事就是,
07:55
was that we were not including the true heroes
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我们的团队中并没有那些真正的英雄,
07:59
who should be fighting for themselves.
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那些真正应该为他们自己斗争的英雄。
08:01
The women in the villages had no idea we were fighting for them in the streets.
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农村里的女人并不知道 我们在街上为他们争取权益。
08:05
Every time I would go back,
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每次我回去时,
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I would find my cousins and friends with scarves on their faces,
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我发现我的表姐妹以及朋友们脸上都带着伤疤,
08:09
and I would ask, "What happened?"
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我问她们发生了什么事?
08:11
And they'd be like, "Our husbands beat us."
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她们的答案都是一样的“我们的丈夫打了我们”。
08:13
But we are working in the streets for you!
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但是我们一直在街上为你们抗议!
08:16
We are changing the policies.
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我们正在挑战规则。
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How is that not impacting their life?
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为什么却对她们的生活没有一点影响?
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So then we found out something which was very amazing for us.
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我们发现了这件对我们来说很惊讶的事。
08:26
The policies of a country
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一个国家的政策
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do not necessarily always affect the tribal and rural communities.
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不一定能影响到农村部落的群体。
08:33
It was devastating -- like, oh, we can't actually do something about this?
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这真的很糟糕,我们真的无法做任何改变吗?
08:37
And we found out there's a huge gap
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我们发现了官方的政策与现实之间
08:40
when it comes to official policies and the real truth on the ground.
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存在着巨大的落差。
08:44
So this time, we were like, we are going to do something different.
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所以这一次,我们要做一些不一样的事情。
08:47
We are going to use strategy,
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我们要运用策略,
08:49
and we are going to go back and apologize.
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我们要回去并且道歉。
08:52
Yes, apologize.
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是的,道歉。
08:54
We went back to the communities
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我们回到部落去,
08:55
and we said we are very ashamed of what we did.
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我们说我们对于我们所做的事很惭愧。
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We are here to apologize, and in fact, we are here to make it up to you.
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我们在这里道歉,而且事实上, 我们在这里是要补偿你们。
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How do we do that?
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我们要怎么做呢?
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We are going to promote three of your main cultures.
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我们将弘扬你们主要文化中的三个因素。
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We know that it's music, language, and embroidery.
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我们知道那是音乐,语言以及刺绣。
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Nobody believed us.
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没人相信我们。
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Nobody wanted to work with us.
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没有人想要和我们一起行动。
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It took a lot of convincing and discussions with these communities
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我们花了很多时间说服他们并与他们讨论,
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until they agreed that we are going to promote their language
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直到他们同意我们通过制作一本记载他们的故事、
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by making a booklet of their stories, fables and old tales in the tribe,
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寓言以及部落的古老传说的小册子来推广他们的语言。
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and we would promote their music
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而且我们会通过制作
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by making a CD of the songs from the tribe, and some drumbeating.
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一张部落歌曲CD来推广他们的音乐。
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And the third, which was my favorite,
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第三,这是我最喜欢做的事,
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was we would promote their embroidery by making a center in the village
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我们通过在村里建一个中心来推广他们的刺绣文化。
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where women would come every day to make embroidery.
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妇女们可以每天来这里刺绣。
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And so it began.
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就这样开始了。
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我们与一个村庄合作,我们开始了我们的第一个中心。
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It was a beautiful day.
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那天真的很美好。
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We started the center.
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我们启动了这个中心。
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Women were coming to make embroidery,
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妇女们来这里做刺绣,
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and going through a life-changing process of education,
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并且可以得到改变一生的教育,
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learning about their rights, what Islam says about their rights,
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了解她们所拥有的权利, 伊斯兰教文化中赋予她们的权利,
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and enterprise development, how they can create money,
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以及学习企业发展,如何赚钱,
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and then how they can create money from money,
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如何让钱生钱,
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how they can fight the customs that have been destroying their lives
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如何与曾经毁灭他们生活的
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from so many centuries,
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古老文化做斗争,
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because in Islam, in reality,
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women are supposed to be shoulder to shoulder with men.
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妇女应该与男人并肩。
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Women have so much status that we have not been hearing,
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妇女拥有许多我们未曾听闻的地位,
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that they have not been hearing,
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她们也未曾听闻,
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and we needed to tell them that they need to know
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我们必须告诉她们,她们必须要知道
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where their rights are and how to take them by themselves,
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她们的权利在哪里, 以及如何维护自己的权利,
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because they can do it and we can't.
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因为只有她们才能帮助自己,我们无法代劳。
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So this was the model which actually came out -- very amazing.
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所以这就是最终形成的模式,非常惊奇。
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Through embroidery we were promoting their traditions.
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通过刺绣,我们推广了她们的传统。
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We went into the village. We would mobilize the community.
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我们来到村庄,调动这个社区。
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We would make a center inside where 30 women will come
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我们建了一个中心,30个妇女过来
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for six months to learn about value addition of traditional embroidery,
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学习6个月,学习传统刺绣的附加价值,
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enterprise development, life skills and basic education,
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企业发展,生活技巧,以及一些基础教育,
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and about their rights and how to say no to those customs
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还有关于她们的权利,如何对习俗说不,
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and how to stand as leaders for themselves and the society.
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如何做自己和社会的主宰。
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After six months, we would connect these women to loans and to markets
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6个月之后,我们帮她们联系贷款和市场,
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where they can become local entrepreneurs in their communities.
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这样她们就成为当地社区的企业家。
11:08
We soon called this project Sughar.
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我们很快称这个项目叫做“Sughar”。
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Sughar is a local word used in many, many languages in Pakistan.
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Sughar是在巴基斯坦很多语言中使用的方言。
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It means skilled and confident women.
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意思是熟练自信的妇女。
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I truly believe, to create women leaders, there's only one thing you have to do:
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我真的相信,塑造女性领导者,你只要做一件事:
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Just let them know that they have what it takes to be a leader.
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就是让她们知道她们拥有领导者的才能。
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These women you see here,
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你们看到的这些妇女,
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they have strong skills and potential to be leaders.
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她们拥有熟练地技能以及潜能成为领导者。
11:34
All we had to do was remove the barriers that surrounded them,
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我们要做的就是移除她们身边的障碍,
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and that's what we decided to do.
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那就是我们决定要做的。
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But then while we were thinking everything was going well,
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但是当我们认为一切顺利地时候,
11:43
once again everything was fantastic,
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再一次一切太顺利了,
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we found our next setback:
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我们发现了下一个困境:
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A lot of men started seeing the visible changes in their wife.
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许多男人看到了他们妻子的巨大变化。
11:51
She's speaking more, she's making decisions --
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她更多地发言了,她做决策--
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oh my gosh, she's handling everything in the house.
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噢,天啊,她处理屋子里的一切。
11:56
They stopped them from coming to the centers,
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他们阻止她们来学习中心,
12:00
and this time, we were like, okay, time for strategy two.
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这一次,我们还好。开始实行方法二。
12:04
We went to the fashion industry in Pakistan
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我们去巴基斯坦的时尚业,
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and decided to do research about what happens there.
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开始做调研,研究那里的变化。
12:10
Turns out the fashion industry in Pakistan is very strong and growing day by day,
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结果是巴基斯坦的时尚业非常强劲,逐日增长,
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but there is less contribution from the tribal areas
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但是却很少出现部落文化元素,
12:19
and to the tribal areas, especially women.
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也没有为部落尤其是女性的时尚设计。
12:22
So we decided to launch our first ever tribal women's very own fashion brand,
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所以为我们决定发行我们的 第一个部落女性时尚品牌,
12:26
which is now called Nomads.
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现在叫“Nomads".
12:30
And so women started earning more,
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妇女们开始赚更多钱,
12:32
they started contributing more financially to the house,
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从经济上为家庭贡献更多,
12:35
and men had to think again before saying no to them
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男人们开始犹豫要不要阻止她们
12:38
when they were coming to the centers.
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来学习中心了。
12:43
(Applause)
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(掌声)
12:46
Thank you, thank you.
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谢谢,谢谢。
12:48
In 2013, we launched our first Sughar Hub instead of a center.
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2013年,我们成立第一个Sughar中心 取代原来的学习中心。
12:53
We partnered with TripAdvisor
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我们跟 TripAdvisor 合作,
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and created a cement hall in the middle of a village
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在村子中间建造了一个水泥的大厅,
12:59
and invited so many other organizations to work over there.
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邀请许多其他组织在那里办公。
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We created this platform for the nonprofits
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我们创建这个公益平台,
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so they can touch and work on the other issues
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方便他们能够接触并解决其他
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that Sughar is not working on,
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Sughar 没有关注的议题,
13:10
which would be an easy place for them to give trainings,
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这是一个方便他们做培训的场合,
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use it as a farmer school, even as a marketplace,
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既可做农民学校,也可做集市,
13:16
and anything they want to use it for,
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以及做其他他们想要用作的场地。
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and they have been doing really amazingly.
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他们做的太棒了。
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And so far, we have been able to support 900 women
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目前,我们已经可以扶持巴基斯坦
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in 24 villages around Pakistan.
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24个村庄的900位妇女。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:33
But that's actually not what I want.
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但是这实际上并不是我想要的。
13:38
My dream is to reach out to one million women in the next 10 years,
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我的梦想是在未来十年帮助一百万妇女,
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and to make sure that happens,
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确保可以实现这个梦想,
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this year we launched Sughar Foundation in the U.S.
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今年我们在美国成立了Sughar基金。
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It is not just going to fund Sughar but many other organizations in Pakistan
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不仅仅资助Sughar, 也资助巴基斯坦的许多其他组织,
13:52
to replicate the idea
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来复制这个梦想,
13:55
and to find even more innovative ways
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甚至找寻更有新意的方法
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to unleash the rural women's potential in Pakistan.
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来释放巴基斯坦农村妇女的潜能。
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Thank you so much.
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非常感谢。
14:03
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:06
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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谢谢,谢谢,谢谢。
14:11
Chris Anderson: Khalida, you are quite the force of nature.
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Chris Anderson: Khalida,你简直有如神助。
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I mean, this story, in many ways, just seems beyond belief.
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我是说,这个故事里, 某种程度上,似乎是不可置信的。
14:18
It's incredible that someone so young could do achieve this much
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一个如此年轻的人通过如此多的力量和聪明才智,
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through so much force and ingenuity.
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取得如此大的成就,太难以置信了。
14:25
So I guess one question:
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我问一个问题:
14:27
This is a spectacular dream to reach out and empower a million women --
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帮助一百万妇女这个惊人的梦想---
14:32
how much of the current success depends on you,
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目前的成功有多少是取决于你的,
14:35
the force of this magnetic personality?
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取决于你的人格魅力?
14:40
How does it scale?
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怎样衡量?
14:42
Khalida Brohi: I think my job is to give the inspiration out,
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Khalida Brohi: 我认为我的工作是启发他人,
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give my dream out.
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分享我的夢想,
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I can't teach how to do it, because there are so many different ways.
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我不会教別人如何做, 因为有许多不同的方法。
14:52
We have been experimenting with three ways only.
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我们仅仅实践了三种方法。
14:54
There are a hundred different ways to unleash potential in women.
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还有100种其他的方法去释放女性的潜能。
14:58
I would just give the inspiration and that's my job.
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我仅仅啓發她們,这是我的工作。
15:01
I will keep doing it. Sughar will still be growing.
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我将坚持做下去。Sughar还在壮大。
15:03
We are planning to reach out to two more villages,
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我们正在计划再帮助2个村庄,
15:06
and soon I believe we will be scaling out of Pakistan
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很快我相信我们将走出巴基斯坦,
15:09
into South Asia and beyond.
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帮助南亚以及其他地方。
15:12
CA: I love that when you talked about your team in the talk,
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CA:我对你在演讲中提到的团队很感兴趣,
15:15
I mean, you were all 18 at the time.
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你那时才18岁。
15:18
What did this team look like?
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你的团队是怎样的?
15:19
This was school friends, right?
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是学校同学,对吗?
15:21
KB: Do people here believe that I'm at an age
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KB: 这里的人会相信在我的村庄里
15:26
where I'm supposed to be a grandmother in my village?
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我是做奶奶的年龄了?
15:29
My mom was married at nine, and I am the oldest woman not married
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我妈9岁结婚,我是最老的未婚女了,
15:35
and not doing anything in my life in my village.
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在我的村庄里我等于什么也没做。
15:38
CA: Wait, wait, wait, not doing anything?
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CA: 等等,啥也没做?
15:42
KB: No. CA: You're right.
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KB:不是。 CA:你是对的。
15:44
KB: People feel sorry for me, a lot of times.
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KB: 人们许多次为我感到遗憾。
15:47
CA: But how much time are you spending now actually back in Balochistan?
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CA: 你现在还经常回到俾路支省吗?
15:51
KB: I live over there.
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KB:我住在那里。
15:53
We live between, still, Karachi and Balochistan.
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我们仍住在卡拉奇和俾路支省之间。
15:56
My siblings are all going to school.
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我的兄弟姐妹都在上学。
15:58
I am still the oldest of eight siblings.
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我还是8兄妹中的大姐。
16:01
CA: But what you're doing is definitely threatening to some people there.
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CA:但是你所做的确实威胁到了那里的一些人。
16:05
How do you handle safety? Do you feel safe?
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你怎样确保安全?你感到安全吗?
16:10
Are there issues there?
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那里有纠纷吗?
16:12
KB: This question has come to me a lot of times before,
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KB: 这个问题以前困扰我很多次,
16:16
and I feel like the word "fear" just comes to me and then drops,
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我感到“害怕”这个词闪现,然后消失,
16:22
but there is one fear that I have that is different from that.
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但是有一种害怕不同于这个。
16:26
The fear is that if I get killed, what would happen to the people
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这种害怕就是如果我被杀害了, 爱我的那些人们
16:29
who love me so much?
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会怎样?
16:31
My mom waits for me till late at night that I should come home.
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我妈等我回家直到深夜。
16:35
My sisters want to learn so much from me,
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我的妹妹们想要跟我学习,
16:38
and there are many, many girls in my community who want to talk to me
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我的社区里有许多女孩想要和我交谈,
16:41
and ask me different things,
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问我不同的事情,
16:44
and I recently got engaged. (Laughs)
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还有我最近订婚了。(笑声)
16:46
(Applause)
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(掌声)
16:49
CA: Is he here? You've got to stand up.
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CA: 他在现场吗?你应当站起来。
16:52
(Applause)
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(掌声)
17:00
KB: Escaping arranged marriages, I chose my own husband
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KB: 逃离了包办婚姻,我穿越世界,
17:03
across the world in L.A., a really different world.
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在L.A., 一个完全不同的世界, 选择了自己的丈夫。
17:08
I had to fight for a whole year. That's totally a different story.
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我斗争了整整一年。 那是另一个不同的故事。
17:11
But I think that's the only thing that I'm afraid of,
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但我认为那是我 唯一害怕的事,
17:16
and I don't want my mom to not see anyone when she waits in the night.
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我不想我妈夜里等不到我。
17:21
CA: So people who want to help you on their way,
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CA: 所以那些想要帮助你的人,
17:24
they can go on, they can maybe buy some of these clothes
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可以继续帮你,或许他们可以买
17:27
that you're bringing over
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你带过来的那些衣服,
17:29
that are actually made, the embroidery is done back in Balochistan?
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那些刺绣是在俾路支省做的吗?
17:33
KB: Yeah.
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KB:是的。
17:34
CA: Or they can get involved in the foundation.
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CA: 或者他们可以参与这个基金会。
17:36
KB: Definitely. We are looking for as many people as we can,
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KB:是的。我们正在找寻尽量多的人,
17:39
because now that the foundation's in the beginning process,
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因为目前基金会正处于初始阶段,
17:43
I am trying to learn a lot about how to operate,
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我正在学习如何运作,
17:45
how to get funding or reach out to more organizations,
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如何获取经费,以及如何帮助更多组织,
17:50
and especially in the e-commerce, which is very new for me.
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尤其是电子商务,对我来说还很陌生。
17:53
I mean, I am not a fashion person, believe me.
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相信我,我并不是一个时髦的人。
17:55
CA: Well, it's been incredible to have you here.
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CA: 好的,邀请你来太难得了。
17:58
Please go on being courageous, go on being smart, and please stay safe.
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