How the NSA betrayed the world's trust -- time to act | Mikko Hypponen

Prevodilac: Jovana Kentic Lektor: Mile Živković

The two most likely largest inventions

Dva verovatno najveća izuma

of our generation

naše generacije

are the Internet and the mobile phone.

su internet i mobilni telefon.

They've changed the world.

Oni su promenili svet.

However, largely to our surprise,

Na naše veliko iznenađenje

they also turned out to be the perfect tools

ispostavilo se da su sjajni

for the surveillance state.

za špijuniranje.

It turned out that the capability

Ispostavilo se da je sposobnost

to collect data, information and connections

čuvanja podataka, informacija i veza

about basically any of us and all of us

o bilo kome od nas i o svima nama,

is exactly what we've been hearing

upravo ono što smo slušali

throughout of the summer through revelations and leaks

čitavo leto kroz otkrića i greške

about Western intelligence agencies,

o zapadnim obaveštajnim službama,

mostly U.S. intelligence agencies,

uglavnom američkim,

watching over the rest of the world.

koje nadziru ostatak sveta.

We've heard about these starting with the

Prvi put smo čuli za ovo

revelations from June 6.

zahvaljujući otkriću napravljenom 6. juna.

Edward Snowden started leaking information,

Edvard Snouden počeo je da objavljuje

top secret classified information,

poverljive informacije

from the U.S. intelligence agencies,

američkih obaveštajnih službi,

and we started learning about things like PRISM

i saznali smo dosta o programima PRIZMA,

and XKeyscore and others.

XKeyscore i slično.

And these are examples of the kinds of programs

To su primeri one vrste programa

U.S. intelligence agencies are running right now,

koje obaveštajne službe SAD upravo vode

against the whole rest of the world.

protiv ostatka sveta.

And if you look back about the forecasts

Ako se setimo predviđanja

on surveillance by George Orwell,

koje je Džordž Orvel izneo o nadzoru,

well it turns out that

ispostavlja se

George Orwell was an optimist.

da je on bio optimista.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

We are right now seeing a much larger scale

Sada sagledavamo mnogo veće razmere

of tracking of individual citizens

praćenja građanstva

than he could have ever imagined.

nego što je on ikada mogao da zamisli.

And this here is the infamous

Ovo je ozloglašeno

NSA data center in Utah.

središte NSA u Juti.

Due to be opened very soon,

Otvaranje je uskoro;

it will be both a supercomputing center

to će biti i centar superkompjutera,

and a data storage center.

i centar skladištenja podataka.

You could basically imagine it has a large hall

Zamislite to kao ogromnu prostoriju

filled with hard drives storing data

punu hard diskova

they are collecting.

koji čuvaju skupljene podatke.

And it's a pretty big building.

A to je prilično velika zgrada.

How big? Well, I can give you the numbers --

Koliko velika? Evo jednog podatka:

140,000 square meters --

140 hiljada kvadratnih metara.

but that doesn't really tell you very much.

Ali to vam baš i ne govori mnogo.

Maybe it's better to imagine it as a comparison.

Možda je bolje da uporedimo.

You think about the largest IKEA store

Zamislite najveću IKEA prodavnicu

you've ever been in.

u kojoj ste ikada bili.

This is five times larger.

Pet puta je veće.

How many hard drives can you fit in an IKEA store?

Koliko hard diskova stane u IKEU?

Right? It's pretty big.

Poprilično, zar ne?

We estimate that just the electricity bill

Procenjuje se da će samo račun za struju

for running this data center

koja pokreće ovaj centar

is going to be in the tens of millions of dollars a year.

iznositi desetine miliona dolara godišnje.

And this kind of wholesale surveillance

Ovakva vrsta sveobuhvatnog nadzora

means that they can collect our data

znači da mogu da prikupljaju podatke

and keep it basically forever,

i čuvaju ih zauvek.

keep it for extended periods of time,

Na duže vreme,

keep it for years, keep it for decades.

godine, decenije.

And this opens up completely new kinds of risks

To predstavlja novi rizik

to us all.

za sve nas.

And what this is is that it is wholesale

Radi se o tome da je ovo

blanket surveillance on everyone.

opsežno, nasumično nadziranje svih.

Well, not exactly everyone,

Ne baš svih,

because the U.S. intelligence only has a legal right

jer američke službe imaju zakonsko pravo

to monitor foreigners.

samo da nadgledaju strance.

They can monitor foreigners

Mogu da nadgledaju strance

when foreigners' data connections

onda kada njegove informacije

end up in the United States or pass through the United States.

završe u SAD ili prođu kroz tu zemlju.

And monitoring foreigners doesn't sound too bad

Nadziranje stranaca ne zvuči toliko loše

until you realize

dok ne shvatite

that I'm a foreigner and you're a foreigner.

da smo i ja i vi stranci.

In fact, 96 percent of the planet are foreigners.

96% planete su stranci.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Right?

Zar ne?

So it is wholesale blanket surveillance of all of us,

Tako da se radi o nasumičnom nadziranju

all of us who use telecommunications and the Internet.

nas koji koristimo sredstva komunikacije.

But don't get me wrong:

Nemojte da me shvatite pogrešno:

There are actually types of surveillance that are okay.

postoje vrste nadzora koje su u redu.

I love freedom, but even I agree

Volim slobodu, ali se slažem

that some surveillance is fine.

da je nadzor nekada opravdan.

If the law enforcement is trying to find a murderer,

Ukoliko policija pokušava da pronađe ubicu,

or they're trying to catch a drug lord

da uhvati narko-dilere,

or trying to prevent a school shooting,

spreči pucnjave u školama,

and they have leads and they have suspects,

a imaju tragove i osumnjičene,

then it's perfectly fine for them to tap the suspect's phone,

onda je sasvim u redu da prisluškuju

and to intercept his Internet communications.

i presreću internet komunikacije.

I'm not arguing that at all,

Uopšte se ne protivim tome,

but that's not what programs like PRISM are about.

ali programi kao Prizma se ne koriste tako.

They are not about doing surveillance on people

Ne radi se o nadzoru ljudi

that they have reason to suspect of some wrongdoings.

koji se sumnjiče za nešto.

They're about doing surveillance on people

Radi se o posmatranju ljudi

they know are innocent.

za koje se zna da su nedužni.

So the four main arguments

Četiri glavna argumenta

supporting surveillance like this,

koja ovo podržavaju

well, the first of all is that whenever you start

pre svega, kad god počnete

discussing about these revelations,

da pričate o ovome,

there will be naysayers trying to minimize

biće kontraša koji pokušavaju da umanje

the importance of these revelations, saying that

značaj svega ovoga,

we knew all this already,

govoreći da smo sve to već znali,

we knew it was happening, there's nothing new here.

i da tu nema ničega novog.

And that's not true. Don't let anybody tell you

To nije istina.

Ne dopustite da vam iko kaže

that we knew this already, because we did not know this already.

da smo to znali, jer nismo.

Our worst fears might have been something like this,

Naši najgori strahovi su možda bili slični

but we didn't know this was happening.

ali nismo znali da se to i dešava.

Now we know for a fact it's happening.

Sada sigurno znamo da je to istina.

We didn't know about this. We didn't know about PRISM.

Nismo znali za to. Nismo znali za Prizmu.

We didn't know about XKeyscore. We didn't know about Cybertrans.

Ni za XKeyscore. Ni za Cybertrans.

We didn't know about DoubleArrow.

Nismo znali ni za DoubleArrow.

We did not know about Skywriter --

Ni za Skywriter.

all these different programs

Sve ove programe

run by U.S. intelligence agencies.

vode američke obaveštajne službe.

But now we do.

Ali sada znamo.

And we did not know

Ono što nismo znali

that U.S. intelligence agencies go to extremes

je da američke službe odlaze u krajnost

such as infiltrating standardization bodies

poput ubacivanja svojih ljudi

u međunarodne odbore za standardizaciju

to sabotage encryption algorithms on purpose.

da bi sabotirali algoritme šifrovanja.

And what that means

To znači da

is that you take something which is secure,

imate nešto što je bezbedno,

an encryption algorithm which is so secure

algoritam koji je toliko siguran

that if you use that algorithm to encrypt one file,

da ako ga iskoristite

da zaštitite jedan fajl,

nobody can decrypt that file.

niko drugi mu ne može pristupiti.

Even if they take every single computer on the planet just to decrypt that one file,

Čak i ako bi svaki postojeći kompjuter

bio upotrebljen da ga dešifruje

it's going to take millions of years.

moglo bi da traje u nedogled.

So that's basically perfectly safe, uncrackable.

U suštini je to savršeno bezbedno.

You take something which is that good

Kada uzmete nešto što je toliko dobro,

and then you weaken it on purpose,

i namerno ga oslabite,

making all of us less secure as an end result.

rezultat je manja sigurnost svih nas.

A real-world equivalent would be that

U stvarnom svetu to bi bilo kao kad bi

intelligence agencies would force

obaveštajne službe ubacile tajnu šifru

some secret pin code into every single house alarm

u svaki alarm

so they could get into every single house

tako da mogu da uđu u svaku kuću,

because, you know, bad people might have house alarms,

jer i loši ljudi imaju alarme na kućama,

but it will also make all of us

ali zbog toga ćemo svi

less secure as an end result.

biti manje sigurni.

Backdooring encryption algorithms

Zaobilaženje algoritama za šifrovanje

just boggles the mind.

jednostavno izmiče našoj svesti.

But of course, these intelligence agencies are doing their job.

Obaveštajne službe samo rade svoj posao.

This is what they have been told to do:

To je ono što im je rečeno:

do signals intelligence,

skupljajte podatke iz signala,

monitor telecommunications,

nadgledajte telekomunikacije,

monitor Internet traffic.

nadgledajte internet saobraćaj.

That's what they're trying to do,

To je ono što oni pokušavaju da urade,

and since most, a very big part of the Internet traffic today is encrypted,

a pošto je veliki deo interneta zaštićen,

they're trying to find ways around the encryption.

traže načine da to zaobiđu.

One way is to sabotage encryption algorithms,

Jedan od načina je sabotiranje algoritama,

which is a great example

što je sjajan pokazatelj

about how U.S. intelligence agencies

toga kako se američke službe ponašaju.

are running loose.

They are completely out of control,

Kompletno su izmakli kontroli,

and they should be brought back under control.

koju im treba ponovo uvesti.

So what do we actually know about the leaks?

Kako smo u stvari saznali za sve ovo?

Everything is based on the files

Sve se zasniva na dokumentima

leaked by Mr. Snowden.

koja je objavio gospodin Snouden.

The very first PRISM slides

Prvi slajdovi Prizme

from the beginning of June

sa početka juna

pokazuju detalje programa

detail a collection program where the data

u kojim skupljaju podatke

is collected from service providers,

od servisnih provajdera,

and they actually go and name the service providers

gde se imenuju svi provajderi

they have access to.

kojima imaju pristup.

They even have a specific date

Postoje i tačni datumi

on when the collection of data began

kada je prikupljanje počelo

for each of the service providers.

za svakog provajdera.

So for example, they name the collection from Microsoft

Navodi se da je

started on September 11, 2007,

preuzimanje podataka od Majkrosofta

počelo 11. septembra 2007.

for Yahoo on the March 12, 2008,

od Jahua 12. marta 2008.

and then others: Google, Facebook,

a zatim slede i ostali: Gugl, Fejsbuk,

Skype, Apple and so on.

Skajp, Epl i tako dalje.

And every single one of these companies denies.

Svaka od ovih kompanija poriče umešanost.

They all say that this simply isn't true,

Svi kažu da to nije istina

that they are not giving backdoor access to their data.

i da niko nema pristup njihovim podacima.

Yet we have these files.

Sa druge strane imamo ta dokumenta.

So is one of the parties lying,

Ili neko laže

or is there some other alternative explanation?

ili postoji drugo objašnjenje.

And one explanation would be

Jedno od objašnjenja bi bilo

that these parties, these service providers,

da provajderi

are not cooperating.

ne sarađuju,

Instead, they've been hacked.

već su hakovani.

That would explain it. They aren't cooperating. They've been hacked.

To bi sve objasnilo.

Ne sarađuju. Hakovani su.

In this case, they've been hacked by their own government.

Hakovala ih je sopstvena vlada.

That might sound outlandish,

Možda zvuči čudno,

but we already have cases where this has happened,

ali dešavalo se već i ranije,

for example, the case of the Flame malware

na primer u slučaju Flejm virusa

which we strongly believe was authored

za koji se veruje da je odobren

by the U.S. government,

od strane američke vlade,

and which, to spread, subverted the security

a za širenje je koristio

of the Windows Update network,

Windows Update mrežu,

meaning here, the company was hacked

što pokazuje da je kompaniju

by their own government.

hakovala vlada.

And there's more evidence

Postoji još dokaza

supporting this theory as well.

koji podržavaju ovu teoriju.

Nemački list Der Spiegel

Der Spiegel, from Germany, leaked more information

objavio je informacije

about the operations run by the elite hacker units

o operacijama elitnih hakerskih timova,

operating inside these intelligence agencies.

koji rade unutar obaveštajnih agencija.

Inside NSA, the unit is called TAO,

Unutar NSA-e, ta jedinica se naziva TAO,

Tailored Access Operations,

skraćeno od Tailored Access Operations,

and inside GCHQ, which is the U.K. equivalent,

a unutar GCHQ, britanskog ekvivalenta,

it's called NAC, Network Analysis Centre.

naziva se NAC: Network Analysis Centre.

And these recent leaks of these three slides

Skorašnje objavljivanje ova tri slajda

detail an operation

daje nam uvid u operaciju

run by this GCHQ intelligence agency

britanske obaveštajne službe

from the United Kingdom

targeting a telecom here in Belgium.

usmerenu na belgijske telekomunikacije.

And what this really means

To znači da obaveštajna služba

is that an E.U. country's intelligence agency

članice Evropske Unije

is breaching the security

namerno narušava sigurnost

of a telecom of a fellow E.U. country on purpose,

telekomunikacija druge članice,

and they discuss it in their slides completely casually,

i o tome se priča opušteno

business as usual.

kao da je to uobičajena stvar.

Here's the primary target,

Ovo je primarna meta,

here's the secondary target,

ovo sekundarna,

here's the teaming.

a ovo je udruženo.

They probably have a team building on Thursday evening in a pub.

Verovatno se četvrtkom okupljaju u pabu.

They even use cheesy PowerPoint clip art

Čak koriste i izlizane PowerPoint sličice

like, you know, "Success,"

kao što je Uspeh,

when they gain access to services like this.

kada dobiju pristup ovakvim servisima.

What the hell?

Zaboga.

And then there's the argument

Neki kažu

that okay, yes, this might be going on,

da je moguće da se to dešava,

but then again, other countries are doing it as well.

ali i druge zemlje to rade.

All countries spy.

Sve zemlje špijuniraju.

And maybe that's true.

Možda je to tačno.

Many countries spy, not all of them, but let's take an example.

Mnoge zemlje špijuniraju, ne sve,

ali hajde da vidimo primer.

Let's take, for example, Sweden.

Uzmimo Švedsku.

I'm speaking of Sweden because Sweden

Pričaćemo o njoj,

has a little bit of a similar law to the United States.

jer je švedski zakon sličan američkom.

When your data traffic goes through Sweden,

Kada vaši podaci prolaze kroz Švedsku

their intelligence agency has a legal right by the law

njihove službe imaju zakonsko pravo

to intercept that traffic.

da presretnu tok tih informacija.

All right, how many Swedish decisionmakers

Koliko bitnih ljudi u Švedskoj,

and politicians and business leaders

političara i preduzetnika

use, every day, U.S.-based services,

svakodnevno koristi američke servise

like, you know, run Windows or OSX,

kao što je Windows ili OSX,

or use Facebook or LinkedIn,

koristi Facebook ili Linkedln,

or store their data in clouds like iCloud

čuva podatke na mrežama kao što su iCloud,

or Skydrive or DropBox,

Skydrive ili DropBox,

or maybe use online services like Amazon web services or sales support?

ili možda koristi onlajn servise

poput Amazona ili prodajnih posrednika.

And the answer is, every single Swedish business leader does that every single day.

Svaki švedski preduzetnik

to radi svakodnevno.

And then we turn it around.

Da vidimo drugu stranu.

How many American leaders

Koliko američkih predstavnika

use Swedish webmails and cloud services?

koristi švedske servise?

And the answer is zero.

Odgovor je nula.

So this is not balanced.

Tako da to nije ujednačeno.

It's not balanced by any means, not even close.

Nije čak ni blizu.

And when we do have the occasional

Čak i kada se povremeno pojave

European success story,

uspešne priče u Evropi,

even those, then, typically end up being sold to the United States.

i njih na kraju prodaju SAD-u.

Like, Skype used to be secure.

Skype je nekada bio siguran.

It used to be end-to-end encrypted.

Protok informacija bio je potpuno zaštićen.

Then it was sold to the United States.

Onda je prodat SAD-u.

Today, it no longer is secure.

I danas više nije bezbedan.

So once again, we take something which is secure

Opet imamo nešto bezbedno,

and then we make it less secure on purpose,

namerno ga oslabimo

making all of us less secure as an outcome.

i za rezultat imamo manju sigurnost svih.

And then the argument that the United States

Izgovor glasi da se SAD

is only fighting terrorists.

jednostavno bori sa teroristima.

It's the war on terror.

To je rat protiv terorizma.

You shouldn't worry about it.

Mi ne bi trebalo da brinemo.

Well, it's not the war on terror.

Ovo nije rat protiv terorizma.

Yes, part of it is war on terror, and yes,

Jedan deo jeste, i naravno,

there are terrorists, and they do kill and maim,

postoje teroristi koji ubijaju i sakate,

and we should fight them,

i treba se boriti protiv njih,

but we know through these leaks

ali iz ovih propusta smo saznali

that they have used the same techniques

da su iste postupke koristili

to listen to phone calls of European leaders,

da prisluškuju telefone evropskih lidera,

to tap the email of residents of Mexico and Brazil,

da prate imejlove u Meksiku i Brazilu,

to read email traffic inside the United Nations Headquarters and E.U. Parliament,

da prate elektronsku komunikaciju

unutar sedišta Ujedinjenih nacija

and I don't think they are trying to find terrorists

i parlamenta Evropske Unije,

a mislim da nisu baš tražili teroriste

from inside the E.U. Parliament, right?

unutar evropskog Parlamenta, zar ne?

It's not the war on terror.

To nije rat protiv terorizma.

Part of it might be, and there are terrorists,

Deo možda jeste, i oni svakako postoje,

but are we really thinking about terrorists

ali da li su teroristi zaista

as such an existential threat

tolika pretnja opstanku

that we are willing to do anything at all to fight them?

da smo spremni na bilo šta?

Are the Americans ready to throw away the Constituion

Da li bi Amerikanci odbacili svoj ustav

and throw it in the trash just because there are terrorists?

i bacili ga u đubre zbog terorista?

And the same thing with the Bill of Rights and all the amendments

Isto je sa Poveljom o pravima,

svim amandmanima,

and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Međunarodnom deklaracijom ljudskih prava,

and the E.U. conventions on human rights and fundamental freedoms

evropskom Konvencijom o ljudskim pravima,

osnovnim ljudskim slobodama,

and the press freedom?

i slobodom štampe?

Do we really think terrorism is such an existential threat,

Da li zaista mislimo da je terorizam

toliko velika pretnja

we are ready to do anything at all?

da smo spremni na bilo šta?

But people are scared about terrorists,

Ljudi se plaše terorista,

and then they think that maybe that surveillance is okay

i misle da je nadzor u redu

because they have nothing to hide.

jer oni nemaju šta da kriju.

Feel free to survey me if that helps.

Slobodno preispitajte moje reči.

And whoever tells you that they have nothing to hide

Ko god vam kaže da nema šta da krije,

simply hasn't thought about this long enough.

jednostavno nije dobro razmislio o tome.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Because we have this thing called privacy,

Imamo nešto što se zove privatnost,

and if you really think that you have nothing to hide,

i ako mislite da nemate šta da krijete,

please make sure that's the first thing you tell me,

neka to bude prva stvar koju ćete mi reći,

because then I know

jer ću onda znati

that I should not trust you with any secrets,

da ne treba da vam poveravam tajne,

because obviously you can't keep a secret.

jer očigledno nećete znati da ih čuvate.

But people are brutally honest with the Internet,

Ljudi su brutalno iskreni

sa internetom

and when these leaks started,

i kada je sve počelo,

many people were asking me about this.

mnogi su me pitali za to.

And I have nothing to hide.

A ja nemam šta da krijem.

I'm not doing anything bad or anything illegal.

Ne radim ništa loše ili ilegalno.

Yet, I have nothing that I would in particular

Ali ne postoji ništa posebno

like to share with an intelligence agency,

što bih podelio sa obaveštajnom agencijom,

especially a foreign intelligence agency.

posebno ne stranom.

And if we indeed need a Big Brother,

Ukoliko nam je zaista potreban Veliki Brat

I would much rather have a domestic Big Brother

radije bih imao domaćeg,

than a foreign Big Brother.

nego stranog Velikog Brata.

And when the leaks started, the very first thing I tweeted about this

Kada je curenje informacija počelo,

prva stvar koju sam tvitovao

was a comment about how,

je komentar o tome kako ste možda,

when you've been using search engines,

koristeći pretraživače,

you've been potentially leaking all that to U.S. intelligence.

davali sve to američkim obaveštajcima.

And two minutes later, I got a reply

Dva minuta kasnije, dobio sam odgovor

by somebody called Kimberly from the United States

od Kimberli iz SAD-a,

challenging me, like, why am I worried about this?

kojim me izaziva da kažem zašto brinem.

Šta ja to šaljem kad brinem?

What am I sending to worry about this? Am I sending naked pictures or something?

Fotografije koje sadrže golotinju ili nešto slično?

And my answer to Kimberly was

Moj odgovor njoj je bio

that what I'm sending is none of your business,

da ono što ja šaljem ne treba da je zanima

and it should be none of your government's business either.

kao ni njenu vladu.

Because that's what it's about. It's about privacy.

O privatnosti ne treba pregovarati.

Privacy is nonnegotiable.

It should be built in to all the systems we use.

Ona treba da bude sastavni deo sistema.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

And one thing we should all understand

Ono što svi treba da shvatimo je

is that we are brutally honest with search engines.

da smo sa pretraživačima potpuno iskreni.

Pokažite mi vašu istoriju pretrage

You show me your search history,

and I'll find something incriminating

i ja ću naći nešto diskriminišuće

or something embarrassing there in five minutes.

ili sramotno u roku od pet minuta.

We are more honest with search engines

Iskreniji smo sa pretraživačima,

than we are with our families.

nego sa sopstvenim porodicama.

Search engines know more about you

Pretraživači o vama znaju više

than your family members know about you.

nego članovi porodice.

And this is all the kind of information we are giving away,

I baš to su informacije

koje odajemo SAD-u.

we are giving away to the United States.

And surveillance changes history.

A nadzor menja istoriju.

We know this through examples of corrupt presidents like Nixon.

Znamo to iz slučajeva

korumpiranih predsednika, poput Niksona.

Imagine if he would have had the kind of surveillance tools that are available today.

Zamislite da smo imali današnju tehniku.

And let me actually quote

Citiraću predsednicu Brazila,

the president of Brazil, Ms. Dilma Rousseff.

gospođu Dilmu Rusef.

She was one of the targets of NSA surveillance.

Ona je bila meta NSA špijunaže.

Her email was read, and she spoke

Njeni mejlovi su čitani, i ona je govorila

at the United Nations Headquarters, and she said,

u sedištu Ujedinjenih nacija, rekavši:

"If there is no right to privacy,

"Ukoliko nema prava na privatnost,

there can be no true freedom of expression and opinion,

ne može biti istinske

slobode izražavanja i mišljenja,

and therefore, there can be no effective democracy."

pa ne može biti ni istinske demokratije".

That's what it's about.

O tome se radi.

Privacy is the building block of our democracies.

Demokratija se gradi na privatnosti.

And to quote a fellow security researcher, Marcus Ranum,

Citiraću kolegu ispitivača bezbednosti,

Markusa Ranuma,

koji je rekao da SAD tretira internet

he said that the United States is right now treating the Internet

as it would be treating one of its colonies.

kao što bi tretirao neku od kolonija.

So we are back to the age of colonization,

Vratili smo se u doba kolonizacije

and we, the foreign users of the Internet,

i mi, strani korisnici interneta

we should think about Americans as our masters.

treba da mislimo o amerikancima

kao o gazdama.

So Mr. Snowden, he's been blamed for many things.

Gospodin Snouden je okrivljen za mnogo toga.

Some are blaming him for causing problems

Neki ga krive za uzrokovanje problema

for the U.S. cloud industry and software companies with these revelations --

američkoj industriji računarstva u oblaku i softverskim kompanijama,

and blaming Snowden for causing problems for the U.S. cloud industry

a kriviti njega za probleme

računarstva u oblaku,

would be the equivalent of blaming Al Gore

bilo bi kao kriviti Ala Gora

for causing global warming.

za globalno otopljavanje.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

So, what is there to be done?

Šta treba uraditi?

Should we worry. No, we shouldn't worry.

Da li da brinemo? Ne treba da brinemo.

We should be angry, because this is wrong,

Treba da budemo ljuti, jer je to pogrešno

and it's rude, and it should not be done.

i nepristojno, i ne treba to raditi.

Ali to neće mnogo promeniti situaciju.

But that's not going to really change the situation.

What's going to change the situation for the rest of the world

Ono što će je promeniti

je pokušaj da se odmaknemo

is to try to steer away

from systems built in the United States.

od sistema programiranih u SAD.

And that's much easier said than done.

A to je lakše reći nego uraditi.

Kako to izvesti?

How do you do that?

A single country, any single country in Europe

Jedna zemlja, bilo koja u Evropi,

cannot replace and build replacements

ne može zameniti i izgraditi zamene

za američke operativne sisteme i servise.

for the U.S.-made operating systems and cloud services.

But maybe you don't have to do it alone.

Možda ne treba to da radite sami.

Možda to možete sa drugim zemljama.

Maybe you can do it together with other countries.

The solution is open source.

Rešenje je slobodan izvor.

By building together open, free, secure systems,

Izgradivši otvoren,

slobodan i siguran sistem,

we can go around such surveillance,

možemo zaobići takvo nadgledanje,

and then one country doesn't have to solve the problem by itself.

tako da nijedna zemlja

ne rešava problem sama.

It only has to solve one little problem.

Mora se rešiti samo jedan mali problem.

And to quote a fellow security researcher, Haroon Meer,

Kao što je rekao Haron Mer,

one country only has to make a small wave,

jedna zemlja treba da napravi mali talas,

but those small waves together become a tide,

ti mali talasi zajedno će postati plima,

and the tide will lift all the boats up at the same time,

a plima će podići sve brodove istovremeno;

and the tide we will build

plima koju ćemo mi izgraditi

with secure, free, open-source systems,

otvorenim i sigurnim sistemima

will become the tide that will lift all of us

će postati plima koja će dići sve nas

up and above the surveillance state.

visoko iznad nadzora države.

Thank you very much.

Hvala vam mnogo.

(Aplauz)

(Applause)