How the NSA betrayed the world's trust -- time to act | Mikko Hypponen

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The two most likely largest inventions
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of our generation
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are the Internet and the mobile phone.
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They've changed the world.
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However, largely to our surprise,
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they also turned out to be the perfect tools
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for the surveillance state.
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It turned out that the capability
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to collect data, information and connections
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about basically any of us and all of us
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is exactly what we've been hearing
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throughout of the summer through revelations and leaks
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about Western intelligence agencies,
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mostly U.S. intelligence agencies,
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watching over the rest of the world.
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We've heard about these starting with the
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revelations from June 6.
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Edward Snowden started leaking information,
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top secret classified information,
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from the U.S. intelligence agencies,
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and we started learning about things like PRISM
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and XKeyscore and others.
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And these are examples of the kinds of programs
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U.S. intelligence agencies are running right now,
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against the whole rest of the world.
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And if you look back about the forecasts
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on surveillance by George Orwell,
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well it turns out that
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George Orwell was an optimist.
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(Laughter)
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We are right now seeing a much larger scale
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of tracking of individual citizens
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than he could have ever imagined.
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And this here is the infamous
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NSA data center in Utah.
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Due to be opened very soon,
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it will be both a supercomputing center
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and a data storage center.
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You could basically imagine it has a large hall
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filled with hard drives storing data
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they are collecting.
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And it's a pretty big building.
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How big? Well, I can give you the numbers --
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140,000 square meters --
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but that doesn't really tell you very much.
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Maybe it's better to imagine it as a comparison.
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You think about the largest IKEA store
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you've ever been in.
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This is five times larger.
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How many hard drives can you fit in an IKEA store?
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Right? It's pretty big.
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We estimate that just the electricity bill
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for running this data center
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is going to be in the tens of millions of dollars a year.
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And this kind of wholesale surveillance
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means that they can collect our data
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and keep it basically forever,
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keep it for extended periods of time,
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keep it for years, keep it for decades.
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And this opens up completely new kinds of risks
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to us all.
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And what this is is that it is wholesale
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blanket surveillance on everyone.
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Well, not exactly everyone,
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because the U.S. intelligence only has a legal right
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to monitor foreigners.
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They can monitor foreigners
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when foreigners' data connections
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end up in the United States or pass through the United States.
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And monitoring foreigners doesn't sound too bad
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until you realize
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that I'm a foreigner and you're a foreigner.
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In fact, 96 percent of the planet are foreigners.
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(Laughter)
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Right?
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So it is wholesale blanket surveillance of all of us,
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all of us who use telecommunications and the Internet.
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But don't get me wrong:
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There are actually types of surveillance that are okay.
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I love freedom, but even I agree
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that some surveillance is fine.
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If the law enforcement is trying to find a murderer,
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or they're trying to catch a drug lord
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or trying to prevent a school shooting,
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and they have leads and they have suspects,
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then it's perfectly fine for them to tap the suspect's phone,
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and to intercept his Internet communications.
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I'm not arguing that at all,
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but that's not what programs like PRISM are about.
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They are not about doing surveillance on people
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that they have reason to suspect of some wrongdoings.
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They're about doing surveillance on people
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they know are innocent.
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So the four main arguments
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supporting surveillance like this,
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well, the first of all is that whenever you start
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discussing about these revelations,
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there will be naysayers trying to minimize
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the importance of these revelations, saying that
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we knew all this already,
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we knew it was happening, there's nothing new here.
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And that's not true. Don't let anybody tell you
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that we knew this already, because we did not know this already.
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Our worst fears might have been something like this,
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but we didn't know this was happening.
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Now we know for a fact it's happening.
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We didn't know about this. We didn't know about PRISM.
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We didn't know about XKeyscore. We didn't know about Cybertrans.
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We didn't know about DoubleArrow.
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We did not know about Skywriter --
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all these different programs
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run by U.S. intelligence agencies.
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But now we do.
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And we did not know
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that U.S. intelligence agencies go to extremes
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such as infiltrating standardization bodies
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to sabotage encryption algorithms on purpose.
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And what that means
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is that you take something which is secure,
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an encryption algorithm which is so secure
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that if you use that algorithm to encrypt one file,
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nobody can decrypt that file.
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Even if they take every single computer on the planet just to decrypt that one file,
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it's going to take millions of years.
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So that's basically perfectly safe, uncrackable.
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You take something which is that good
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and then you weaken it on purpose,
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making all of us less secure as an end result.
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A real-world equivalent would be that
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intelligence agencies would force
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some secret pin code into every single house alarm
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so they could get into every single house
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because, you know, bad people might have house alarms,
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but it will also make all of us
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less secure as an end result.
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Backdooring encryption algorithms
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just boggles the mind.
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But of course, these intelligence agencies are doing their job.
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This is what they have been told to do:
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do signals intelligence,
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monitor telecommunications,
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monitor Internet traffic.
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That's what they're trying to do,
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and since most, a very big part of the Internet traffic today is encrypted,
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they're trying to find ways around the encryption.
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One way is to sabotage encryption algorithms,
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which is a great example
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about how U.S. intelligence agencies
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are running loose.
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They are completely out of control,
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and they should be brought back under control.
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So what do we actually know about the leaks?
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Everything is based on the files
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leaked by Mr. Snowden.
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The very first PRISM slides
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from the beginning of June
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detail a collection program where the data
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is collected from service providers,
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and they actually go and name the service providers
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they have access to.
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They even have a specific date
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on when the collection of data began
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for each of the service providers.
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So for example, they name the collection from Microsoft
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started on September 11, 2007,
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for Yahoo on the March 12, 2008,
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and then others: Google, Facebook,
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Skype, Apple and so on.
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And every single one of these companies denies.
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They all say that this simply isn't true,
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that they are not giving backdoor access to their data.
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Yet we have these files.
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So is one of the parties lying,
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or is there some other alternative explanation?
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And one explanation would be
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that these parties, these service providers,
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are not cooperating.
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Instead, they've been hacked.
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That would explain it. They aren't cooperating. They've been hacked.
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In this case, they've been hacked by their own government.
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That might sound outlandish,
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but we already have cases where this has happened,
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for example, the case of the Flame malware
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which we strongly believe was authored
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by the U.S. government,
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and which, to spread, subverted the security
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of the Windows Update network,
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meaning here, the company was hacked
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by their own government.
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And there's more evidence
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supporting this theory as well.
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Der Spiegel, from Germany, leaked more information
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about the operations run by the elite hacker units
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operating inside these intelligence agencies.
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Inside NSA, the unit is called TAO,
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Tailored Access Operations,
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and inside GCHQ, which is the U.K. equivalent,
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it's called NAC, Network Analysis Centre.
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And these recent leaks of these three slides
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detail an operation
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run by this GCHQ intelligence agency
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from the United Kingdom
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targeting a telecom here in Belgium.
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And what this really means
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is that an E.U. country's intelligence agency
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is breaching the security
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of a telecom of a fellow E.U. country on purpose,
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and they discuss it in their slides completely casually,
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business as usual.
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Here's the primary target,
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here's the secondary target,
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here's the teaming.
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They probably have a team building on Thursday evening in a pub.
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They even use cheesy PowerPoint clip art
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like, you know, "Success,"
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when they gain access to services like this.
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What the hell?
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And then there's the argument
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that okay, yes, this might be going on,
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but then again, other countries are doing it as well.
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All countries spy.
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And maybe that's true.
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Many countries spy, not all of them, but let's take an example.
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Let's take, for example, Sweden.
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I'm speaking of Sweden because Sweden
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has a little bit of a similar law to the United States.
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When your data traffic goes through Sweden,
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their intelligence agency has a legal right by the law
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to intercept that traffic.
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All right, how many Swedish decisionmakers
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and politicians and business leaders
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use, every day, U.S.-based services,
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like, you know, run Windows or OSX,
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or use Facebook or LinkedIn,
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or store their data in clouds like iCloud
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or Skydrive or DropBox,
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or maybe use online services like Amazon web services or sales support?
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And the answer is, every single Swedish business leader does that every single day.
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And then we turn it around.
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How many American leaders
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use Swedish webmails and cloud services?
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And the answer is zero.
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So this is not balanced.
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It's not balanced by any means, not even close.
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And when we do have the occasional
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European success story,
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even those, then, typically end up being sold to the United States.
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Like, Skype used to be secure.
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It used to be end-to-end encrypted.
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Then it was sold to the United States.
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Today, it no longer is secure.
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So once again, we take something which is secure
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and then we make it less secure on purpose,
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making all of us less secure as an outcome.
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And then the argument that the United States
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is only fighting terrorists.
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It's the war on terror.
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You shouldn't worry about it.
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Well, it's not the war on terror.
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Yes, part of it is war on terror, and yes,
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there are terrorists, and they do kill and maim,
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and we should fight them,
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but we know through these leaks
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that they have used the same techniques
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to listen to phone calls of European leaders,
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to tap the email of residents of Mexico and Brazil,
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to read email traffic inside the United Nations Headquarters and E.U. Parliament,
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and I don't think they are trying to find terrorists
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from inside the E.U. Parliament, right?
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It's not the war on terror.
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Part of it might be, and there are terrorists,
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but are we really thinking about terrorists
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as such an existential threat
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that we are willing to do anything at all to fight them?
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Are the Americans ready to throw away the Constituion
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and throw it in the trash just because there are terrorists?
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And the same thing with the Bill of Rights and all the amendments
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and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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and the E.U. conventions on human rights and fundamental freedoms
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and the press freedom?
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Do we really think terrorism is such an existential threat,
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we are ready to do anything at all?
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But people are scared about terrorists,
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and then they think that maybe that surveillance is okay
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because they have nothing to hide.
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Feel free to survey me if that helps.
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And whoever tells you that they have nothing to hide
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simply hasn't thought about this long enough.
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(Applause)
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Because we have this thing called privacy,
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and if you really think that you have nothing to hide,
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please make sure that's the first thing you tell me,
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because then I know
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that I should not trust you with any secrets,
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because obviously you can't keep a secret.
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But people are brutally honest with the Internet,
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and when these leaks started,
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many people were asking me about this.
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And I have nothing to hide.
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I'm not doing anything bad or anything illegal.
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Yet, I have nothing that I would in particular
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like to share with an intelligence agency,
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especially a foreign intelligence agency.
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And if we indeed need a Big Brother,
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I would much rather have a domestic Big Brother
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than a foreign Big Brother.
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And when the leaks started, the very first thing I tweeted about this
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was a comment about how,
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when you've been using search engines,
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you've been potentially leaking all that to U.S. intelligence.
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And two minutes later, I got a reply
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by somebody called Kimberly from the United States
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challenging me, like, why am I worried about this?
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What am I sending to worry about this? Am I sending naked pictures or something?
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And my answer to Kimberly was
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that what I'm sending is none of your business,
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and it should be none of your government's business either.
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Because that's what it's about. It's about privacy.
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Privacy is nonnegotiable.
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It should be built in to all the systems we use.
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(Applause)
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And one thing we should all understand
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is that we are brutally honest with search engines.
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You show me your search history,
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and I'll find something incriminating
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or something embarrassing there in five minutes.
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We are more honest with search engines
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than we are with our families.
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Search engines know more about you
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than your family members know about you.
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And this is all the kind of information we are giving away,
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we are giving away to the United States.
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And surveillance changes history.
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We know this through examples of corrupt presidents like Nixon.
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Imagine if he would have had the kind of surveillance tools that are available today.
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And let me actually quote
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the president of Brazil, Ms. Dilma Rousseff.
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She was one of the targets of NSA surveillance.
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Her email was read, and she spoke
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at the United Nations Headquarters, and she said,
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"If there is no right to privacy,
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there can be no true freedom of expression and opinion,
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and therefore, there can be no effective democracy."
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That's what it's about.
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Privacy is the building block of our democracies.
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And to quote a fellow security researcher, Marcus Ranum,
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he said that the United States is right now treating the Internet
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as it would be treating one of its colonies.
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So we are back to the age of colonization,
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and we, the foreign users of the Internet,
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we should think about Americans as our masters.
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So Mr. Snowden, he's been blamed for many things.
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Some are blaming him for causing problems
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for the U.S. cloud industry and software companies with these revelations --
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and blaming Snowden for causing problems for the U.S. cloud industry
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would be the equivalent of blaming Al Gore
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for causing global warming.
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(Laughter)
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(Applause)
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So, what is there to be done?
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Should we worry. No, we shouldn't worry.
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We should be angry, because this is wrong,
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and it's rude, and it should not be done.
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But that's not going to really change the situation.
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What's going to change the situation for the rest of the world
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is to try to steer away
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from systems built in the United States.
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And that's much easier said than done.
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How do you do that?
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A single country, any single country in Europe
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cannot replace and build replacements
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for the U.S.-made operating systems and cloud services.
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But maybe you don't have to do it alone.
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Maybe you can do it together with other countries.
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The solution is open source.
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By building together open, free, secure systems,
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we can go around such surveillance,
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and then one country doesn't have to solve the problem by itself.
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It only has to solve one little problem.
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And to quote a fellow security researcher, Haroon Meer,
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one country only has to make a small wave,
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but those small waves together become a tide,
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and the tide will lift all the boats up at the same time,
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and the tide we will build
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with secure, free, open-source systems,
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will become the tide that will lift all of us
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up and above the surveillance state.
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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