Ursus Wehrli: Tidying up art

Prevodilac: Sandra Gojic Lektor: Radica Stojanović

My name is Ursus Wehrli, and I would like to talk to you this morning

Moje ime je Ursus Verli, i želim da vam ovog jutra govorim

about my project, Tidying Up Art.

o mom projektu, Uređenje umetnosti.

First of all -- any questions so far?

Najpre - ima li nekih pitanja?

First of all, I have to say I'm not from around here.

Prvo, moram da vam kažem da nisam odavde.

I'm from a completely different cultural area, maybe you noticed?

Dolazim iz potpuno drugačije kulture, možda ste primetili?

I mean, I'm wearing a tie, first. And then secondly, I'm a little bit nervous

Mislim, nosim kravatu, kao prvo. A kao drugo, pomalo sam nervozan

because I'm speaking in a foreign language,

jer govorim stranim jezikom,

and I want to apologize in advance, for any mistakes I might make.

i želim unapred da vam se izvinim, za bilo koju grešku koju možda napravim.

Because I'm from Switzerland, and I just don't hope you think this is Swiss German

Dolazim iz Švajcarske, i nadam se da ne mislite da je ovo švajcarski nemački

I'm speaking now here. This is just what it sounds like

koji govorim ovde. Ovako zvuči kada

if we Swiss try to speak American.

Švajcarac pokuša da govori američki.

But don't worry -- I don't have trouble with English, as such.

Ali ne brinite - nemam takav problem sa engleskim.

I mean, it's not my problem, it's your language after all.

Mislim, to nije moj problem, na kraju krajeva, to je vaš jezik.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

I am fine. After this presentation here at TED, I can simply go back to Switzerland,

Ja sam dobro. Nakon ove prezentacije ovde u TEDu, mogu jednostavno da se vratim u Švajcarsku,

and you have to go on talking like this all the time.

a vi morate da nastavite da govorite ovako sve vreme.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

So I've been asked by the organizers to read from my book.

Upitan sam od strane organizatora da čitam iz svoje knjige.

It's called "Tidying Up Art" and it's, as you can see,

Zove se, Sređivanje umetnosti i, kao što možete da vidite,

it's more or less a picture book.

manje više je to slikovnica.

So the reading would be over very quickly.

Tako da bi čitanje bilo vrlo brzo gotovo.

But since I'm here at TED, I decided to hold my talk here in a more modern way,

Ali pošto sam na TEDu, odlučio sam da održim svoj govor na moderniji način,

in the spirit of TED here, and I managed to do some slides here for you.

u TED duhu, i uspeo sam da napravim nekoliko slajdova za vas.

I'd like to show them around so we can just, you know --

Hteo bih da ih pokažem kako bismo, znate -

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Actually, I managed to prepare for you some enlarged pictures -- even better.

Ustvari, uspeo sam da pripremim za vas neke uvećane slike - još bolje.

So Tidying Up Art, I mean, I have to say, that's a relatively new term.

Dakle, Uređivanje umetnosti, mislim, moram da kažem, to je relativno novi pojam.

You won't be familiar with it.

Neće vam biti poznat.

I mean, it's a hobby of mine that I've been indulging in for the last few years,

Mislim, to je moj hobi kojem sam se prepustio poslednjih par godina,

and it all started out with this picture of the American artist, Donald Baechler

i sve je počelo sa ovom slikom američkog umetnika, Donalda Bičlera

I had hanging at home. I had to look at it every day

koja mi je visila kod kuće. Morao sam da je gledam svakoga dana

and after a while I just couldn't stand the mess anymore

i nakon nekog vremena nisam više mogao da podnesem taj nered

this guy was looking at all day long.

u koji je ovaj momak gledao ceo dan.

Yeah, I kind of felt sorry for him.

Da, nekako mi ga je bilo žao.

And it seemed to me even he felt really bad

I činilo mi se da se čak i on osećao loše

facing these unorganized red squares day after day.

suočen sa razbacanim crvenim kvadratima, dan za danom.

So I decided to give him a little support,

Tako da sam odlučio da mu dam malo podrške,

and brought some order into neatly stacking the blocks on top of each other.

i uneo malo reda, uredno slažući blokove jedne na druge.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah. And I think he looks now less miserable.

Da. I mislim da on sada ne izgleda toliko očajno..

And it was great. With this experience, I started to look more closely

I bilo je sjajno. Sa ovim iskustvom, počeo sam bliže da posmatram

at modern art. Then I realized how, you know, the world of modern art

modernu umetnost. I onda sam shvatio, znate, svet moderne umetnosti

is particularly topsy-turvy.

je naročito istumban.

And I can show here a very good example.

I mogu da vam pokažem vrlo dobar primer.

It's actually a simple one, but it's a good one to start with.

Ustvari vrlo je jednostavan, ali je dobar za početak.

It's a picture by Paul Klee.

To je slika Pola Klija.

And we can see here very clearly, it's a confusion of color.

I možemo da vidimo vrlo jasno ovde, to je pometnja boja.

(Laughter)

( Smeh )

Yeah. The artist doesn't really seem to know where to put the different colors.

Da. Ovaj umetnik izgleda da ne zna gde da stavi različite boje.

The various pictures here of the various elements of the picture --

Različite slike različitih elemenata fotografije -

the whole thing is unstructured.

čitava stvar je nestruktuirana.

We don't know, maybe Mr. Klee was probably in a hurry, I mean --

Mi ne znamo, možda je gospodin Kli verovatno bio u žurbi, mislim -

(Laughter)

( smeh )

-- maybe he had to catch a plane, or something.

- možda je morao da uhvati avion, ili slično.

We can see here he started out with orange,

Možemo da vidimo ovde da je počeo sa narandžastom,

and then he already ran out of orange,

i da mu je iste ponestalo,

and here we can see he decided to take a break for a square.

a ovde možemo da vidimo da je odlučio da uzme odmor, za kvadrat.

And I would like to show you here my tidied up version of this picture.

I voleo bih da vam pokažem ovde moju sređenu verziju ove slike.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

We can see now what was barely recognizable in the original:

Možemo da vidimo sada ono što je jedva bilo vidljivo u originalu:

17 red and orange squares are juxtaposed with just two green squares.

17 crvenih i narandžastih kvadrata kojima su podređena ova dva zelena kvadrata.

Yeah, that's great.

Da, to je odlično.

So I mean, that's just tidying up for beginners.

Mislim, to je sređivanje za početnike.

I would like to show you here a picture which is a bit more advanced.

Voleo bih da vidite sliku koja je malo naprednija.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

What can you say? What a mess.

Šta možete da kažete? Kakav nered.

I mean, you see, everything seems to have been scattered aimlessly around the space.

Mislim, vidite, sve izgleda kao da je besciljno razbacano po prostoru.

If my room back home had looked like this,

Da je moja soba kod kuće izgledala tako,

my mother would have grounded me for three days.

moja majka bi mi zabranila da izlazim tri dana.

So I'd like to -- I wanted to reintroduce some structure into that picture.

Tako da bih voleo - voleo bih da vam predstavim strukturu ove slike.

And that's really advanced tidying up.

I to je zaista napredno sređivanje.

(Applause)

( aplauz )

Yeah, you're right. Sometimes people clap at this point,

Da, u pravu ste. Nekada ljudi tapšu u ovom trenutku

but that's actually more in Switzerland.

ali češće u Švajcarskoj.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

We Swiss are famous for chocolate and cheese. Our trains run on time.

Mi Švajcarci smo poznati po čokoladi i siru. Naši vozovi stižu na vreme.

We are only happy when things are in order.

Mi smo jedino srećni kada su stvari u redu.

But to go on, here is a very good example to see.

Ali da nastavimo, evo vrlo dobrog primera za videti.

This is a picture by Joan Miro.

Ovo je slika Džoan Miro.

And yeah, we can see the artist has drawn a few lines and shapes

I da, možemo da vidimo da je umetnik nacrtao nekoliko linija i oblika

and dropped them any old way onto a yellow background.

i bacio na bilo koji poznati način na žutu pozadinu.

And yeah, it's the sort of thing you produce when you're doodling on the phone.

I da, to je nešto nalik škrabanju dok ste na telefonu.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

And this is my --

A ovo je moja -

(Laughter)

( smeh )

-- you can see now the whole thing takes up far less space.

možete da vidite sada kako sve to zauzima mnogo manje mesta.

It's more economical and also more efficient.

Ekonomičnije je i efektnije.

With this method Mr. Miro could have saved canvas for another picture.

Sa ovim metodom gospodin Miro je mogao da sačuva platno za još jednu sliku.

But I can see in your faces that you're still a little bit skeptical.

Ali mogu da vidim na vašim licima da ste i dalje pomalo skeptični.

So that you can just appreciate how serious I am about all this,

Kako biste mogli da cenite to koliko sam ozbiljan po pitanju svega ovoga,

I brought along the patents, the specifications for some of these works,

doneo sam patente, specifikacije za neke od ovih radova,

because I've had my working methods patented

jer sam patentirao svoje radne metode

at the Eidgenössische Amt für Geistiges Eigentum in Bern, Switzerland.

u Eidgenössische Amt für Geistiges Eigentum u Bernu, Švajcarska..

(Laughter)

( smeh )

I'll just quote from the specification.

Citiraću specifikaciju.

"Laut den Kunstprüfer Dr. Albrecht --"

"Laut den Kunstprüfer Dr. Albrecht --"

It's not finished yet.

Nije još kraj.

"Laut den Kunstprüfer Dr. Albrecht Götz von Ohlenhusen

"Laut den Kunstprüfer Dr. Albrecht Götz von Ohlenhusen

wird die Verfahrensweise rechtlich geschützt welche die Kunst

wird die Verfahrensweise rechtlich geschützt welche die Kunst

durch spezifisch aufgeräumte Regelmässigkeiten

durch spezifisch aufgeräumte Regelmässigkeiten

des allgemeinen Formenschatzes

des allgemeinen Formenschatzes

neue Wirkungen zu erzielen möglich wird."

neue Wirkungen zu erzielen möglich wird."

Ja, well I could have translated that, but you would have been none the wiser.

Da, pa mogao sam to da prevedem, ali ne biste bili ni malo mudriji.

I'm not sure myself what it means but it sounds good anyway.

Ni sam nisam siguran šta znači, ali svakako zvuči dobro,

I just realized it's important how one introduces new ideas to people,

Upravo sam shvatio da je važno kako neko predstavlja nove ideje ljudima,

that's why these patents are sometimes necessary.

zato su ovi patenti ponekad važni.

I would like to do a short test with you.

Voleo bih da uradim kratak test sa vama.

Everyone is sitting in quite an orderly fashion here this morning.

Svi sede na prilično uobičajen način ovog jutra.

So I would like to ask you all to raise your right hand. Yeah.

I zamoliću vas da svi podignete svoju desnu ruku. Da.

The right hand is the one we write with, apart from the left-handers.

Desna ruka je ona kojom pišemo, osim levorukih.

And now, I'll count to three. I mean, it still looks very orderly to me.

I sada, brojaću do tri. Mislim, i dalje izgleda prilično uobičajeno.

Now, I'll count to three, and on the count of three

Sada, brojaću do tri, i onda

I'd like you all to shake hands with the person behind you. OK?

rukujte se sa osobom iza vas. OK?

One, two, three.

Jedan, dva, tri.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

You can see now, that's a good example: even behaving in an orderly, systematic way

Možete da vidite sada, to je dobar primer: čak i ponašanje na uobičajeni, sistematski način

can sometimes lead to complete chaos.

može ponekad da dovede do potpunog haosa.

So we can also see that very clearly in this next painting.

Možemo to da vidimo vrlo jasno na sledećoj slici.

This is a painting by the artist, Niki de Saint Phalle.

Ovo je slika umetnika, Niki de Sejnt Fale.

And I mean, in the original it's completely unclear to see

I mislim, na originalu je potpuno nejasno za videti

what this tangle of colors and shapes is supposed to depict.

šta to klupko boja i oblika treba da predstavlja.

But in the tidied up version, it's plain to see that it's a sunburnt woman playing volleyball.

Ali u sređenoj verziji, jasno se vidi da to žena izgorela od sunca igra odbojku.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah, it's a -- this one here, that's much better.

Da, to je - ovo ovde, to je mnogo bolje.

That's a picture by Keith Haring.

Ovo je slika Kit Haringa.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

I think it doesn't matter.

Mislim da nije važno.

So, I mean, this picture has not even got a proper title.

Dakle, mislim, ova slika nema čak ni odgovarajući naziv.

It's called "Untitled" and I think that's appropriate.

Nazvana je "Bez naslova" i mislim da je to odgovarajuće.

So, in the tidied-up version we have a sort of Keith Haring spare parts shop.

Tako, u sređenoj verziji imamo neku vrstu prodavnice rezervnih delova Kit Haringa.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

This is Keith Haring looked at statistically.

Ovo je Kit Haring statistički gledano.

One can see here quite clearly,

Možete da vidite vrlo jasno ovde,

you can see we have 25 pale green elements,

možete da vidite da imamo 25 svetlo zelenih elemenata,

of which one is in the form of a circle.

od kojih je jedan u obliku kruga.

Or here, for example, we have 27 pink squares with only one pink curve.

Ili ovde, na primer, imamo 27 ružičastih kvadrata sa samo jednom ružičastom krivom.

I mean, that's interesting. One could extend this sort of statistical analysis

Mislim, zanimljivo je. Mogao bi se produžiti ovaj statistički niz

to cover all Mr. Haring's various works,

da pokrije sve vrste radova gospodina Haringa.

in order to establish in which period the artist favored pale green circles or pink squares.

kako bismo utvrdili u kom periodu je umetnik favorizovao svetlo zelene krugove ili ružičaste kvadrate.

And the artist himself could also benefit from this sort of listing procedure

I sam umetnik može da profitira iz ove nabrajajuće procedure

by using it to estimate how many pots of paint he's likely to need in the future.

koristeći je da proceni koliko kanti boje će mu verovatno trebati u budućnosti.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

One can obviously also make combinations.

Neko očito može da napravi kombinacije.

For example, with the Keith Haring circles and Kandinsky's dots.

Na primer, sa Kit Haringovim krugovima i Kandinskijevim tačkama.

You can add them to all the squares of Paul Klee.

Možete ih dodati svim kvadratima Pol Klija.

In the end, one has a list with which one then can arrange.

Na kraju, možete imati listu da se vidi sa čime može da se usklađuje.

Then you categorize it, then you file it, put that file in a filing cabinet,

Onda ih kategorišete, dokumentujete, ostavite u sobi za dokumente,

put it in your office and you can make a living doing it.

ostavite u kancelariji i počnete tako da zarađujete za život.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah, from my own experience. So I'm --

Da, iz ličnog iskustva. Dakle ja sam -

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Actually, I mean, here we have some artists that are a bit more structured. It's not too bad.

Ustvari, mislim, imamo umetnike koji su malo strukturiraniji. Nije loše.

This is Jasper Johns. We can see here he was practicing with his ruler.

Ovo je Džasper Džons. Možemo da vidimo da je ovde vežbao sa svojim lenjirom.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

But I think it could still benefit from more discipline.

Ali mislim da i dalje može da profitira sa više discipline.

And I think the whole thing adds up much better if you do it like this.

I mislim da se čitava stvar poboljšava ako je uradite ovako.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

And here, that's one of my favorites.

I ovde, to je jedna od mojih omiljenih.

Tidying up Rene Magritte -- this is really fun.

Sređivanje Rene magrite - ovo je stvarno zabavno.

You know, there is a --

Znate, postoji -

(Laughter)

( smeh )

I'm always being asked what inspired me to embark on all this.

Pitali su me šta me je inspirisalo da se upustim u sve ovo.

It goes back to a time when I was very often staying in hotels.

To seže do vremena kada sam često boravio u hotelima.

So once I had the opportunity to stay in a ritzy, five-star hotel.

Jednom sam imao priliku da odsednem u ricu, hotelu sa pet zvezdica.

And you know, there you had this little sign --

I znate, tamo je bio taj mali znak -

I put this little sign outside the door every morning that read,

Stavljao sam taj mali znak ispred vrata svako jutro, na kojem je pisalo,

"Please tidy room." I don't know if you have them over here.

"Molimo sredite sobu." Ne znam da li ih imam ovde.

So actually, my room there hasn't been tidied once daily, but three times a day.

Ustvari, moja soba nije bila sređivana jednom dnevno, već tri puta na dan.

So after a while I decided to have a little fun,

I posle nekog vremena odlučio sam da se zabavim,

and before leaving the room each day I'd scatter a few things around the space.

i pre napuštanja sobe svakoga dana razbacao bih par stvari po sobi.

Like books, clothes, toothbrush, etc. And it was great.

Poput knjiga, odeće, četkice za zube, itd. I bilo je sjajno.

By the time I returned everything had always been neatly returned to its place.

Dok sam se vratio, sve je uvek bilo uredno vraćeno na svoje mesto.

But then one morning, I hang the same little sign onto that picture by Vincent van Gogh.

Ali onda jednog jutra, okačio sam isti mali znak na tu sliku Vinsenta van Goga.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

And you have to say this room hadn't been tidied up since 1888.

I morate da kažete da ova soba nije sređivana od 1888.

And when I returned it looked like this.

I kada sam ga vratio, izgledala je ovako.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah, at least it is now possible to do some vacuuming.

Da, sada je bar moguće usisati.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

OK, I mean, I can see there are always people

OK, mislim, vidim da uvek ima ljudi

that like reacting that one or another picture

koji reaguju na jednu ili drugu sliku

hasn't been properly tidied up. So we can make a short test with you.

kao da nije odgovarajuće sređena. Možemo da uradimo kratak test svi.

This is a picture by Rene Magritte,

Ovo je slika Rene Magrite,

and I'd like you all to inwardly -- like in your head, that is --

i voleo bih da svi iznutra - u svojoj glavi, tačnije -

to tidy that up. So it's possible that some of you would make it like this.

sredite ovo. Moguće je da će neki od vas to uraditi da liči na ovo.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah? I would actually prefer to do it more this way.

Da? Ja bih više voleo da to uradim na ovaj način.

Some people would make apple pie out of it.

Neki ljudi bi napravili od toga pitu od jabuka.

But it's a very good example to see that the whole work

Ali to je veoma dobar primer da se vidi da je čitav rad

was more of a handicraft endeavor that involved the very time-consuming job

više zanatski poduhvat koji je uključio dugotrajan proces

of cutting out the various elements and sticking them back in new arrangements.

rezanja različith elemenata i ponovnog spajanja u nove aranžmane.

And it's not done, as many people imagine, with the computer,

I nije gotovo, kao što mnogi misle, sa računarom,

otherwise it would look like this.

inače bi izgledalo ovako.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

So now I've been able to tidy up pictures that I've wanted to tidy up for a long time.

Sada sam mogao da sredim slike koje sam dugo vremena želeo da sredim.

Here is a very good example. Take Jackson Pollock, for example.

Ovo je vrlo dobar primer. Na primer Džekson Polok.

It's -- oh, no, it's -- that's a really hard one.

To je - o ne, to je - to je zaista teško.

But after a while, I just decided here to go all the way

Ali nakon nekog vremena, odlučio sam da idem do kraja

and put the paint back into the cans.

i da vratim boju nazad u konzerve.

(Applause)

( aplauz )

Or you could go into three-dimensional art.

Ili možete da koristite trodimenzionalnu umetnost.

Here we have the fur cup by Meret Oppenheim.

Ovo je Fur Cup od Meret Openhajma.

Here I just brought it back to its original state.

Samo sam je vratio u originalno stanje.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

But yeah, and it's great, you can even go, you know --

Ali da, sjajno je, možete čak, znate -

Or we have this pointillist movement for those of you who are into art.

Ili imamo ovaj pointilist pokret za one koje umetnost zanima.

The pointillist movement is that kind of paintings

To je ona vrsta slikanja

where everything is broken down into dots and pixels.

gde je sve svedeno na tačke i piksele

And then I -- this sort of thing is ideal for tidying up.

I onda sam - ova vrsta je idealna za sređivanje.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

So I once applied myself to the work of the inventor of that method, Georges Seurat,

Jednom sam se prijavio za rad izumitelja tog pravca, Žorž Sera,

and I collected together all his dots.

i sakupio sam sve njegove tačke.

And now they're all in here.

I evo ih sve.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

You can count them afterwards, if you like.

Možete da ih izbrojite posle, ako želite.

You see, that's the wonderful thing about the tidy up art idea:

Vidite, to je sjajna stvar u vezi sa idejom sređivanja umetnosti:

it's new. So there is no existing tradition in it.

Nova je. Dakle nema postojeće tradicije u njoj.

There is no textbooks, I mean, not yet, anyway.

Nema udžbenika, mislim, bar ne još.

I mean, it's "the future we will create."

Mislim, to je " budućnost koju ćemo stvoriti."

(Laughter)

( smeh )

But to round things up I would like to show you just one more.

Ali da zaokružimo stvari pokazaću vam još jednu.

This is the village square by Pieter Bruegel.

Ovo je seoski trg od Pitera Brojgela.

That's how it looks like when you send everyone home.

Ovako izgleda kad sve pošaljete kući.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah, maybe you're asking yourselves

Da, možda se pitate

where old Bruegel's people went?

gde su Brojgelovi ljudi otišli?

Of course, they're not gone. They're all here.

Naravno da nisu otišli. Svi su tu.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

I just piled them up.

Samo sam ih odstranio.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

So I'm -- yeah, actually I'm kind of finished at that moment.

Ja - da, ustvari nekako sam završio u ovom trenutku.

And for those who want to see more, I've got my book downstairs in the bookshop.

A za one koji žele da vide više, moja knjiga je dole u knjižari.

And I'm happy to sign it for you with any name of any artist.

I biću srećan da je potpišem za vas sa imenom bilo kog umetnika.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

But before leaving I would like to show you,

Ali pre odlaska želeo bih da vam pokažem,

I'm working right now on another -- in a related field

trenutno radim na još jednom - sličnom polju

with my tidying up art method. I'm working in a related field.

sa mojim metodom sređivanja. Radim na sličnom polju.

And I started to bring some order into some flags.

I počeo sam da unosim red u neke zastave.

Here -- that's just my new proposal here for the Union Jack.

Evo - ovo je moj novi predlog za Junion Džek.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

And then maybe before I leave you ...

I možda pre nego što vas ostavim ...

yeah, I think, after you have seen that I have to leave anyway.

da, mislim da ću svakako morati da odem kad je pogledate.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Yeah, that was a hard one. I couldn't find a way to tidy that up properly,

Da, to je bilo teško. Nisam mogao da nađem način da je propisno sredim,

so I just decided to make it a little bit more simpler.

pa sam odlučio da je pojednostavim.

(Laughter)

( smeh )

Thank you very much.

Mnogo vam hvala.

(Applause)

( aplauz )