9/11 healing: The mothers who found forgiveness, friendship

Prevoditelj: Tilen Pigac - EFZG Recezent: Mislav Ante Omazić - EFZG

Phyllis Rodriguez: We are here today

Phyllis Rodriguez: Ovdje smo danas

because of the fact

zbog činjenice

that we have what most people consider

što imamo, prema mišljenju mnogih,

an unusual friendship.

neobično prijateljstvo.

And it is.

I to je istina.

And yet, it feels natural to us now.

A ipak, to nam se čini prirodnim.

I first learned

Prvo sam saznala

that my son had been in the World Trade Center

kako je moj sin bio u Svjetskom trgovinskom centru

on the morning of September 11th, 2001.

ujutro 11-og rujna 2001. godine.

We didn't know

Nismo znali

if he had perished yet

je li poginuo

until 36 hours later.

unutar prvih 36 sati.

At the time,

Tada

we knew that it was political.

smo znali kako je to vezano uz politiku.

We were afraid of what our country was going to do

Bojali smo se što će naša zemlja učiniti

in the name of our son --

u ime našeg sina --

my husband, Orlando, and I and our family.

moj muž, Orlando, i ja i naša obitelj.

And when I saw it --

A kada sam vidjela --

and yet, through the shock,

a ipak, kroz šok,

the terrible shock,

strašan šok,

and the terrible explosion in our lives, literally,

i strašnu eksploziju u našim životima, doslovno,

we were not vengeful.

nismo bili osvetoljubivi.

And a couple of weeks later

I par tjedana kasnije

when Zacarias Moussaoui was indicted

kada je Zacharias Moussaoui bio optužen

on six counts of conspiracy to commit terrorism,

po šest točaka urote terorizmom,

and the U.S. government called for a death penalty

i američka vlada je pozvala na smrtnu kaznu

for him, if convicted,

za njega, ako bude osuđen,

my husband and I spoke out

moj muž i ja smo progovorili

in opposition to that, publicly.

u javnosti protiv toga.

Through that

Kroz to

and through human rights groups,

i preko udruga za ljudska prava,

we were brought together

spojili smo se

with several other victims' families.

s nekoliko drugih obitelji žrtava.

When I saw Aicha in the media,

Kada sam vidjela Aichu u medijima,

coming over when her son was indicted,

kako dolazi ovdje kada je njezin sin bio optužen,

and I thought, "What a brave woman.

pomislila sam, "Koja hrabra žena.

Someday I want to meet that woman when I'm stronger."

Jednog dana kada budem snažnija, želim upoznati tu ženu."

I was still in deep grief;

Još uvijek sam bila u stanju dubokog žalovanja;

I knew I didn't have the strength.

Znala sam kako nemam snage.

I knew I would find her someday,

Znala sam da ću je jednog dana pronaći,

or we would find each other.

ili ćemo pronaći jedna drugu.

Because, when people heard that my son was a victim,

Jer, kada ljudi čuju kako je moj sin bio žrtva,

I got immediate sympathy.

odmah dobijem saučešće.

But when people learned

Ali kada ljudi saznaju

what her son was accused of,

za što je njezin sin bio optužen,

she didn't get that sympathy.

ona ne dobije tu vrstu naklonosti.

But her suffering is equal to mine.

Ali njezina patnja je jednaka mojoj.

So we met in November 2002,

Tako smo se upoznali u studenom 2002. godine.

and Aicha will now tell you

A Aicha će vam ispričati

how that came about.

kako je došlo do toga.

(Translator) Aicha el-Wafi: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

(Prevoditeljica) Aicha el-Wafi: Dobar dan, dame i gospodo.

I am the mother of Zacarias Moussaoui.

Ja sam majka Zachariasa Moussaoui-a.

And I asked

I zamolila sam

the Organization of Human Rights

Organizaciju za ljudska prava

to put me in touch with the parents of the victims.

da me spoji s roditeljima žrtava.

So they introduced me

Stoga su me oni upoznali

to five families.

s pet obitelji.

And I saw Phyllis, and I watched her.

I vidjela sam Phyllis, i gledala sam je.

She was the only mother in the group.

Ona je bila jedina majka u grupi.

The others were brothers, sisters.

Ostali su bili braća, sestre.

And I saw in her eyes

I vidjela sam u njezinim očima

that she was a mother, just like me.

kako je ona bila majka, poput mene.

I suffered a lot as a mother.

Puno sam patila kao majka.

I was married when I was 14.

Udala sam se s 14.

I lost a child when I was 15,

Izgubila sam dijete s 15,

a second child when I was 16.

drugo dijete kada mi je bilo 16.

So the story with Zacarias was too much really.

Stoga je priča sa Zacharias-om bila uistinu previše.

And I still suffer,

I još uvijek patim,

because my son

jer moj sin

is like he's buried alive.

kao da je živ zakopan.

I know she really cried for her son.

Znam kako je doista oplakivala svog sina.

But she knows where he is.

Ali ona zna gdje je on.

My son, I don't know where he is.

Moj sin, ne znam gdje je.

I don't know if he's alive. I don't know if he's tortured.

Ne znam je li živ. Ne znam je li mučen.

I don't know what happened to him.

Ne znam što se dogodilo s njim.

So that's why I decided to tell my story,

Zato sam odlučila ispričati svoju priču,

so that my suffering is something positive for other women.

kako bi moja patnja predstavljala nešto pozitivno za druge žene.

For all the women, all the mothers that give life,

Za sve žene, sve majke koje daju život,

you can give back,

možete to uzeti natrag,

you can change.

možete to promijeniti.

It's up to us women,

To je na nama ženama,

because we are women,

jer mi smo žene,

because we love our children.

jer mi volimo svoju djecu.

We must be hand-in-hand

Moramo biti složne

and do something together.

i učiniti nešto zajedno.

It's not against women,

To nije protiv nas žena,

it's for us, for us women,

to je za nas, za nas žene,

for our children.

za našu djecu.

I talk against violence, against terrorism.

Ja govorim protiv nasilja, protiv terorizma.

I go to schools

Odlazim u škole

to talk to young, Muslim girls

kako bi pričala mladim, muslimanskim curama

so they don't accept to be married against their will very young.

da se ne udaju protiv svoje volje kada su još jako mlade.

So if I can save one of the young girls,

Zato, ako mogu spasiti jednu od tih mladih djevojki,

and avoid that they get married and suffer as much as I did,

i spriječiti da se udaju i pate toliko koliko sam ja patila,

well this is something good.

to je onda nešto dobro.

This is why I'm here in front of you.

Zbog toga sam ovdje pred vama.

PR: I would like to say

PR: Htjela bih reći

that I have learned so much from Aicha,

kako sam naučila toliko mnogo od Aicha-e,

starting with that day we had our very first meeting

počevši već onog dana kada smo imale naš prvi sastanak

with other family members --

s ostalim članovima obitelji --

which was a very private meeting with security,

koji je bio veoma privatni sastanak s osiguranjem,

because it was November 2002,

jer je bio studeni 2002.,

and, frankly, we were afraid of the super-patriotism of that time in the country --

i, iskreno, bojali smo se super-patriotizma naše zemlje u to vrijeme --

those of us family members.

mi, članovi obitelji.

But we were all so nervous.

Ali svi smo bili tako nervozni.

"Why does she want to meet us?"

"Zašto nas ona želi upoznati?"

And then she was nervous.

A zatim je ona bila nervozna.

"Why did we want to meet her?"

"Zašto smo mi nju htjeli upoznati?"

What did we want from each other?

Što smo htjeli jedni od drugih?

Before we knew each others' names, or anything,

Prije nego smo saznali imena, ili bilo što,

we had embraced and wept.

zagrlile smo se i plakale.

Then we sat in a circle

Zatim smo sjeli u krug

with support, with help,

s potporom, s pomoći,

from people experienced in this kind of reconciliation.

od ljudi koji imaju iskustva s takvom vrstom pomirbe.

And Aicha started,

I Aicha je započela,

and she said,

i rekla je,

"I don't know if my son

"Ne znam je li moj sin

is guilty or innocent,

kriv ili nevin,

but I want to tell you how sorry I am

ali želim vam reći koliko mi je žao

for what happened to your families.

za to što se dogodilo vašim obiteljima.

I know what it is to suffer,

Znam što je to patnja,

and I feel that if there is a crime,

i osjećam da, ukoliko dođe do zločina,

a person should be tried fairly and punished."

osobu treba suditi pošteno i ta osoba treba biti kažnjena."

But she reached out to us in that way,

Ali ona nam je pristupila na taj način.

and it was, I'd like to say, it was an ice-breaker.

I to je bio, rekla bih, dobar način razbijanja nervoze.

And what happened then is we all told our stories,

I ono što se dogodilo jest da smo svi mi ispričali svoje priče,

and we all connected as human beings.

i svi smo se povezali kao ljudska bića.

By the end of the afternoon --

Do kraja poslijepodneva --

it was about three hours after lunch --

bilo je to oko tri sata nakon ručka --

we'd felt as if we'd known each other forever.

osjećali smo se kao da se znamo oduvijek.

Now what I learned from her,

Ono što sam naučila od nje,

is a woman, not only who could be so generous

je žena, ne samo koja može biti toliko velikodušna

under these present circumstances

pod tim sadašnjim okolnostima

and what it was then,

i ono što je bilo tada,

and what was being done to her son,

i što se činilo njezinom sinu,

but the life she's had.

već život koji je imala.

I never had met

Nikada nisam upoznala

someone with such a hard life,

nekoga tko je imao tako težak život,

from such a totally different culture and environment from my own.

a tko je bio iz potpuno drugačije kulture i okoline nego što je moja.

And I feel

I osjećam

that we have

kako imamo

a special connection,

posebnu vezu,

which I value very much.

koju cjenima jako puno.

And I think it's all about

I mislim kako se radi o tome

being afraid of the other,

što smo se bojale jedna druge,

but making that step

no učinile smo taj korak

and then realizing, "Hey, this wasn't so hard.

i zatim shvatile, "Hej, pa to nije bilo tako teško.

Who else can I meet that I don't know,

Koga još mogu sresti a da ga ne poznajem,

or that I'm so different from?"

ili od koga sam različita?"

So, Aicha,

Dakle, Aicha,

do you have a couple of words

imaš li par riječi

for conclusion?

za zaključak?

Because our time is up.

Jer naše vrijeme je isteklo.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

(Translator) AW: I wanted to say

(Prevoditeljica) AW: Željela sam reći

that we have to try to know other people, the other.

kako moramo pokušavati upoznavati druge ljude.

You have to be generous,

Morate biti velikodušni,

and your hearts must be generous,

i vaša srca moraju biti velikodušna,

your mind must be generous.

vaš um mora biti velikodušan.

You must be tolerant.

Morate biti tolerantni.

You have to fight against violence.

Morate se boriti protiv nasilja.

And I hope that someday we'll all live together

I nadam se kako ćemo jednog dana svi živjeti zajedno

in peace and respecting each other.

u miru i poštivati jedni druge.

This is what I wanted to say.

To sam željela reći.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)