Letting go of God | Julia Sweeney

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Prevoditelj: Silvija Florijan Recezent: Tilen Pigac - EFZG
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On September 10, the morning of my seventh birthday,
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10. rujna, na jutro mog sedmog rođendana,
00:28
I came downstairs to the kitchen, where my mother was washing the dishes
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spustila sam se u kuhinju, gdje je moja majka prala suđe
00:32
and my father was reading the paper or something,
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a moj otac čitao novine ili nešto slično,
00:35
and I sort of presented myself to them in the doorway, and they said,
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pojavila sam se na vratima, i oni su rekli,
00:38
"Hey, happy birthday!" And I said, "I'm seven."
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"Hej, sretan rođendan." Ja sam rekla, "Imam sedam godina."
00:43
And my father smiled and said,
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Moj otac se smiješio i rekao,
00:45
"Well, you know what that means, don't you?"
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"Dakle, znaš što to znači, zar ne?"
00:47
And I said, "Yeah, that I'm going to have a party
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Rekla sam, "Da, imat ću zabavu i tortu
00:50
and a cake and get a lot of presents?"
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i dobit ću puno poklona?" Moj tata je rekao, "Pa, da
00:52
And my dad said, "Well, yes.
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00:54
But more importantly,
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No, što je važnije, imati sedam znači da si dostigla dob razuma,
00:55
being seven means that you've reached the age of reason,
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00:58
and you're now capable of committing any and all sins against God and man."
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i sad si kadra počiniti grijeh protiv Boga i čovjeka."
01:03
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:06
Now, I had heard this phrase, "age of reason," before.
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Čula sam taj izraz, "dob razuma" i prije.
01:09
Sister Mary Kevin had been bandying it about
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Sestra Mary Kevin je raspravljala o tome
01:11
my second-grade class at school.
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u drugom razredu osnovne. No kad je to ona rekla
01:13
But when she said it,
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01:14
the phrase seemed all caught up in the excitement of preparations
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izraz se činio povezan s uzbuđenjem oko priprema
01:17
for our first communion and our first confession,
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za našu prvu pričest i prvu ispovijed,
i svi su znali da se zapravo radi o bijeloj haljini i bijelom velu,
01:20
and everybody knew that was really all about the white dress
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01:23
and the white veil.
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01:24
And anyway, I hadn't really paid all that much attention
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u svakom slučaju, nisam obraćala pažnju na izraz "dob razuma".
01:26
to that phrase, "age of reason."
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01:28
So, I said, "Yeah, yeah, age of reason. What does that mean again?"
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Rekla sam, "Da, da, dob razuma. Što to, još jednom, znači?"
01:32
And my dad said, "Well, we believe, in the Catholic Church,
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I moj je otac rekao, "Pa, mi u katoličkoj crkvi vjerujemo
01:36
that God knows that little kids don't know the difference between right and wrong,
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da Bog zna da mala djeca ne znaju razliku između dobrog i lošeg,
01:40
but when you're seven, you're old enough to know better.
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no kad ti je sedam, imaš dovoljno godina da budeš pametnija.
Znači, narasla si i dostigla dob razuma, i sad će
01:43
So, you've grown up and reached the age of reason,
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01:45
and now God will start keeping notes on you,
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Bog bilježiti sve o tebi i otvoriti ti trajni dosje."
01:48
and begin your permanent record."
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01:50
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:51
And I said, "Oh ...
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I ja sam rekla, "Ah. Samo malo. Znači, sve ovo vrijeme,
01:55
Wait a minute.
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01:57
You mean all that time, up till today,
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do danas, sve ovo vrijeme što sam bila dobra, Bog nije primijetio?"
02:00
all that time I was so good, God didn't notice it?"
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02:04
And my mom said, "Well, I noticed it."
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Moja mama je rekla, "Pa, ja sam primijetila."
02:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:09
And I thought, "How could I not have known this before?
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Pomislila sam, "Kako za to nisam prije znala?
02:11
How could it not have sunk in when they'd been telling me?
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Kako to nisam zapamtila kad su mi govorili?
Bez zasluga za dobro ponašanje.
02:14
All that being good and no real credit for it.
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02:16
And worst of all, how could I not have realized
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I, što je najgore, kako nisam shvaćala tu jako važnu informaciju
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this very important information
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sve do dana kad mi je postala beskorisna?"
02:20
until the very day that it was basically useless to me?"
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02:23
So I said, "Well, Mom and Dad, what about Santa Claus?
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Zatim sam rekla, "Pa, Mama i Tata, što je s Djedom Mrazom?
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I mean, Santa Claus knows if you're naughty or nice, right?"
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Djed Mraz zna kad je netko dobar ili zločest, istina?"
02:30
And my dad said, "Yeah, but, honey,
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I moj tata je rekao, "Da, ali, dušo,
02:32
I think that's technically just between Thanksgiving and Christmas."
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mislim da je to tehnički samo između Dana zahvalnosti i Božića."
02:35
And my mother said, "Oh, Bob, stop it. Let's just tell her. I mean, she's seven.
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I moja majka je rekla, "Ah, Bobe, prestani. Recimo joj.
Mislim, ima sedam. Julie, Djed Mraz ne postoji."
02:39
Julie, there is no Santa Claus."
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02:42
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:45
Now, this was actually not that upsetting to me.
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Sad, to me nije toliko uzrujalo.
02:48
My parents had this whole elaborate story about Santa Claus:
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Moji roditelji su imali razrađenu priču o Djedu Mrazu:
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how they had talked to Santa Claus himself and agreed
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kako su osobno razgovarali s Djedom i složili se da,
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that instead of Santa delivering our presents
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umjesto da nam Djed donosi poklone uoči Božića,
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over the night of Christmas Eve,
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kao što je donosio svakoj drugoj obitelji,
02:58
like he did for every other family who got to open their surprises
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koje su ih otvarale odmah na božićno jutro,
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first thing Christmas morning,
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03:02
our family would give Santa more time.
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naša obitelj bi davala Djedu više vremena.
03:04
Santa would come to our house while we were at nine o'clock high mass
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Djed bi dolazio u našu kuću kad bi bili na poldanici
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on Christmas morning, but only if all of us kids did not make a fuss.
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za božićno jutro, ali samo ako mi djeca ne bi galamila.
03:12
Which made me very suspicious.
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Zbog čega sam postala jako sumnjičava.
03:15
It was pretty obvious that it was really our parents giving us the presents.
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Bilo je očito da nam zapravo roditelju daju poklone.
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I mean, my dad had a very distinctive wrapping style,
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Mislim, moj tata je zamatao na poseban način,
03:22
and my mother's handwriting was so close to Santa's.
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i majčin rukopis je jako nalikovao na Djedov.
03:24
(Laughter)
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03:25
Plus, why would Santa save time by having to loop back
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Plus, zašto bi Djed štedio vrijeme na povratku
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to our house after he'd gone to everybody else's?
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u našu kuću nakon što je obišao sve druge?
03:31
There was only one obvious conclusion to reach from this mountain of evidence:
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Postoji samo jedan očit zaključak iz te hrpe dokaza:
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our family was too strange and weird for even Santa Claus to come visit,
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naša obitelj je bila previše neobična i čudna
čak i za Djeda Mraza,
03:40
and my poor parents were trying to protect us from the embarrassment,
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i moji siroti roditelji su nas pokušavali zaštititi od srama,
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this humiliation of rejection by Santa, who was jolly --
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poniženja zbog odbacivanja Djeda, koji je bio veseo.
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but let's face it, he was also very judgmental.
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No, priznajmo, bio je također vrlo kritičan.
03:50
So to find out that there was no Santa Claus at all
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Dakle, otkriti da Djed Mraz uopće ne postoji bilo je zapravo olakšanje.
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was actually sort of a relief.
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03:55
I left the kitchen not really in shock about Santa,
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Otišla sam iz kuhinje zapravo ne u šoku zbog Djeda,
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but rather, I was just dumbfounded
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no više sam bila samo iznenađena
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about how I could have missed this whole age of reason thing.
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zbog toga kako sam mogla propustiti tu dob razuma.
04:02
It was too late for me, but maybe I could help someone else,
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Bilo je prekasno za mene, no možda sam mogla pomoći nekome drugome,
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someone who could use the information.
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nekome tko je mogao upotrijebiti tu informaciju.
04:08
They had to fit two criteria:
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Morao je ispunjavati dva kriterija:
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they had to be old enough to be able to understand
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morao je biti dovoljno star da razumije
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the whole concept of the age of reason, and not yet seven.
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cijeli koncept doba razuma, i još ne imati sedam.
04:16
The answer was clear: my brother Bill. He was six.
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Odgovor je bio jasan: moj brat Bill. Imao je šest.
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Well, I finally found Bill
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Napokon sam pronašla Billa blok dalje od naše kuće
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about a block away from our house at this public school playground.
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na školskom igralištu. Bila je subota,
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It was a Saturday, and he was all by himself,
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i bio je sam, udarao je loptu o zid.
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just kicking a ball against the side of a wall.
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04:28
I ran up to him and said, "Bill!
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Otrčala sam do njega i rekla, "Bille!
04:30
I just realized that the age of reason starts when you turn seven,
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Upravo sam shvatila da dob razuma počinje kad navršiš sedam,
04:33
and then you're capable of committing any and all sins
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i onda si kadar počiniti grijehe
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against God and man."
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protiv Boga i čovjeka." I Bill je rekao, "Pa?" I tad sam rekla,
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And Bill said, "So?"
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04:38
And I said, "So, you're six.
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"Pa, imaš šest. Imaš još cijelu godinu da radiš što želiš
04:40
You have a whole year to do anything you want to and God won't notice it."
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i Bog neće primijetiti." Rekao je, "Pa?" I ja sam rekla,
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And he said, "So?"
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04:46
And I said, "So? So everything!"
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"Pa? Pa sve!" Okrenula sam se i potrčala. Bila sam tako ljuta na njega.
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And I turned to run. I was so angry with him.
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04:53
But when I got to the top of the steps,
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Ali kad sam došla na vrh stuba, okrenula sam se dramatično
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I turned around dramatically and said,
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i rekla, "Ah, usput, Bille, Djed Mraz ne postoji."
04:56
"Oh, by the way, Bill -- there is no Santa Claus."
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05:00
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:02
Now, I didn't know it at the time,
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U to vrijeme nisam znala,
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but I really wasn't turning seven on September 10th.
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no zapravo nisam imala rođendan 10-og rujna.
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For my 13th birthday,
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Za svoj 13. rođendan, planirala sam zabavu u pidžamama sa svim svojim prijateljicama,
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I planned a slumber party with all of my girlfriends,
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05:11
but a couple of weeks beforehand my mother took me aside and said,
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no par tjedana ranije moja me majka odvela u stranu i rekla,
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"I need to speak to you privately.
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"Moram razgovarati s tobom u četiri oka.
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September 10th is not your birthday. It's October 10th."
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Tvoj rođendan nije 10-og rujna, nego 10-og listopada." I ja sam rekla, "Što?"
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And I said, "What?"
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05:23
(Laughter)
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05:24
And she said ...
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(Smijeh)
I ona je rekla, "Slušaj. U vrtić su primali samo one koji su do 15-og rujna dostigli potreban uzrast."
05:26
(Laughter)
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05:27
"Listen. The cut-off date to start kindergarten was September 15th."
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05:33
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:34
"So I told them that your birthday was September 10th,
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"Dakle, rekla sam im da ti je rođendan 10. rujna,
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and then I wasn't sure
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i nisam bila sigurna da li ćeš to svima izbrbljati,
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that you weren't just going to go blab it all over the place,
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05:41
so I started to tell you your birthday was September 10th.
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pa sam ti počela govoriti da ti je rođendan 10-og rujna.
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But, Julie, you were so ready to start school, honey. You were so ready."
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No, Julie, bila si spremna da kreneš u školu, dušo. Bila si tako spremna."
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I thought about it, and when I was four,
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Razmislila sam o tome, i kad sam imala četiri,
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I was already the oldest of four children,
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bila sam najstarije od četvero djece,
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and my mother even had another child to come,
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i moja majka je već čekala drugo dijete,
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so what I think she -- understandably -- really meant
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pa mislim da je očito jasno mislila da je ona bila tako spremna,
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was that she was so ready, she was so ready.
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bila je tako spremna. Zatim je rekla,
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Then she said, "Don't worry, Julie.
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06:01
Every year on October 10th,
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"Ne brini, Julie, svake godine 10. listopada kad je bio tvoj rođendan
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when it was your birthday but you didn't realize it,
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no ti nisi znala, potrudila sam se
06:06
I made sure that you ate a piece of cake that day."
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da jedeš tortu taj dan."
06:09
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:12
Which was comforting, but troubling.
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Što je bilo utješno, no uznemiravajuće.
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My mother had been celebrating my birthday with me, without me.
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Moja majka je slavila moj rođendan sa mnom, ali bez mene.
06:18
(Laughter)
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06:19
What was so upsetting about this new piece of information
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Ono što me ljutilo u vezi s tom novom informacijom
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was not that I had to change the date of my slumber party
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nije bilo što ću morati mijenjati datum svoje zabave
06:24
with all of my girlfriends.
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sa svim svojim prijateljicama,
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What was most upsetting was that this meant I was not a Virgo.
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ljutilo me što to znači da nisam Djevica po horoskopu.
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I had a huge Virgo poster in my bedroom.
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Imala sam velik poster Djevice u svojoj sobi,
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And I read my horoscope every single day,
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i čitala sam horoskop svaki dan, i sve je o meni bilo točno.
06:35
and it was so totally me.
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06:38
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:40
And this meant that I was a Libra?
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I to je značilo da sam Vaga?
06:42
So, I took the bus downtown to get the new Libra poster.
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Dakle, otišla sam busom u centar po novi poster Vage.
06:46
The Virgo poster is a picture of a beautiful woman with long hair,
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Poster Djevice je bila slika prekrasne žene s dugom kosom,
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sort of lounging by some water,
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koja kao da je lješkarila kraj neke vode,
06:51
but the Libra poster is just a huge scale.
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no poster Vage je samo velika sprava.
06:53
This was around the time that I started filling out physically,
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To je bilo u vrijeme kad sam počela fizički sazrijevati,
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and I was filling out a lot more than a lot of the other girls,
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i sazrijevala sam brže od većine ostalih djevojaka,
06:59
and frankly, the whole idea that my astrological sign was a scale
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i, iskreno, cijela se ideja da je moj horoskopski znak sprava
07:03
just seemed ominous and depressing.
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činila zloslutno i depresivno.
07:06
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
07:09
But I got the new Libra poster,
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No kupila sam novi poster,
07:11
and I started to read my new Libra horoscope,
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i počela sam čitati novi horoskop,
07:14
and I was astonished to find that it was also totally me.
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i bila sam iznenađena kad sam otkrila da je sve o meni također bilo točno.
07:18
(Laughter)
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07:20
It wasn't until years later, looking back
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Tek godinama kasnije, prisjećajući se
07:22
on this whole age-of-reason, change-of-birthday thing,
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tog doba razuma/promjene rođendana,
07:24
that it dawned on me:
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shvatila sam da nisam navršila sedam
07:26
I wasn't turning seven when I thought I turned seven.
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kad sam mislila da jesam. Imala sam cijeli drugi mjesec
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I had a whole other month
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07:30
to do anything I wanted to before God started keeping tabs on me.
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da radim što želim prije no što me Bog počeo nadzirati.
07:34
Oh, life can be so cruel.
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Ah, život može biti tako okrutan.
07:38
One day, two Mormon missionaries came to my door.
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Jednog dana, dva mormonska misionara došla su na moja vrata.
07:42
Now, I just live off a main thoroughfare in Los Angeles,
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Živim nedaleko od glavne prometnice u Los Angelesu,
07:44
and my block is -- well, it's a natural beginning
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i moj je blok -- pa, prirodni početak
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for people who are peddling things door to door.
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ljudima koji torbare od kuće do kuće.
07:49
Sometimes I get little old ladies from the Seventh Day Adventist Church
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Ponekad dolaze stare gospođe iz Kršćanske adventističke crkve
07:53
showing me these cartoon pictures of heaven.
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koje mi pokazuju sličice raja.
07:55
And sometimes I get teenagers who promise me
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Ponekad dolaze tinejdžeri koji obećavaju da se neće pridružiti bandi
07:57
that they won't join a gang and just start robbing people,
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i početi pljačkati ljude kad bi se samo pretplatila
08:00
if I only buy some magazine subscriptions from them.
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na neke časopise preko njih.
08:03
So normally, I just ignore the doorbell, but on this day, I answered.
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Dakle, inače ignoriram zvono, no taj sam dan odgovorila.
08:08
And there stood two boys, each about 19, in white, starched short-sleeved shirts,
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I tamo su stajala dva dječaka, od oko 19 godina,
u bijelim uškrobljenim košuljama kratkih rukava, imali su male oznake s imenima
08:13
and they had little name tags
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08:14
that identified them as official representatives
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koje su ih identificirale kao službene predstavnike
Crkve Isusa Krista svetaca posljednjih dana,
08:17
of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
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08:19
and they said they had a message for me, from God.
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i koji su rekli da imaju poruku za mene od Boga.
08:23
I said, "A message for me? From God?" And they said, "Yes."
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Rekla sam, "Poruka za mene? Od Boga?" Odgovorili su, "Da."
08:28
Now, I was raised in the Pacific Northwest,
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Sad, odrasla sam na Pacifičkom sjeverozapadu,
08:31
around a lot of Church of Latter-day Saints people and, you know,
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nedaleko od ljudi Crkve Isusa Krista svetaca i, znate,
08:34
I've worked with them and even dated them,
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radila sam s njima i čak izlazila,
08:36
but I never really knew the doctrine,
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ali nikad nisam znala njihovo učenje ili što su govorili ljudima
08:37
or what they said to people when they were out on a mission,
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kad su bili na misiji, i pretpostavljam da sam bila nekako znatiželjna
08:40
and I guess I was sort of curious, so I said, "Well, please, come in."
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pa sam rekla, "Dobro, molim, uđite." I izgledali su stvarno sretno,
08:44
And they looked really happy,
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zato što ne mislim da im se to događa tako često.
08:45
because I don't think this happens to them all that often.
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(Smijeh)
08:48
(Laughter)
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08:49
And I sat them down, and I got them glasses of water --
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Posjela sam ih, donijela čaše vode --
09:03
Ok, I got it, I got it.
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OK, shvaćam. Donijela sam im čaše vode.
09:04
I got them glasses of water.
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09:06
Don't touch my hair, that's the thing.
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Ne dirajte mi kosu, u tome je stvar.
09:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
09:10
You can't put a video of myself in front of me
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Ne možete staviti ekran ispred mene
09:14
and expect me not to fix my hair.
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i očekivati da ne popravljam kosu.
09:15
Ok.
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(Smijeh)
09:17
(Laughter)
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OK. Posjela sam ih i donijela čaše vode,
09:21
So I sat them down and I got them glasses of water,
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09:23
and after niceties, they said,
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i nakon izmijenjenih ljubaznosti su rekli, "Da li vjerujete da vas Bog voli svim svojim srcem?"
09:25
"Do you believe that God loves you with all his heart?"
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09:28
And I thought, "Well, of course I believe in God,
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I pomislila sam, "Pa, naravno da vjerujem u Boga,
09:32
but you know, I don't like that word 'heart,'
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no, znate, ne volim tu riječ, srce,
09:34
because it anthropomorphizes God,
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zato što humanizira Boga,
09:37
and I don't like the word, 'his,' either, because that sexualizes God."
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i ne volim riječ, svojim, također, jer mu pripisuje spol."
09:41
But I didn't want to argue semantics with these boys,
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No nisam htjela raspravljati o semantici s njima,
09:44
so after a very long, uncomfortable pause, I said,
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pa sam nakon jako duge, neugodne pauze, rekla
09:47
"Yes, yes, I do. I feel very loved."
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"Da, da, vjerujem. Osjećam da sam jako voljena."
09:51
And they looked at each other and smiled,
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I pogledali su se i nasmiješili,
09:53
like that was the right answer.
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kao da je to ispravan odgovor. I onda su rekli,
09:55
And then they said, "Do you believe
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"Da li vjerujete da smo svi braća i sestre na ovom planetu?"
09:57
that we're all brothers and sisters on this planet?"
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Rekla sam, "Da, da, vjerujem." I osjetila sam takvo olakšanje
10:00
And I said, "Yes, I do."
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10:01
And I was so relieved that it was a question I could answer so quickly.
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zato što je to bilo pitanje na koje sam mogla tako brzo odgovoriti.
10:04
And they said, "Well, then we have a story to tell you."
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Rekli su, "Pa, imamo za vas priču."
10:07
And they told me this story all about this guy named Lehi,
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I ispričali su mi o tom čovjeku po imenu Lehi,
10:11
who lived in Jerusalem in 600 BC.
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koji je živio u Jeruzalemu 600.g. pr. Kr..
10:13
Now, apparently in Jerusalem in 600 BC, everyone was completely bad and evil.
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Sad, izgleda da su u Jeruzalemu 600.g. pr. Kr.
svi bili u potpunosti pokvareni i zli. Svi do jednog:
10:18
Every single one of them: man, woman, child, infant, fetus.
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muškarac, žena, dijete, novorođenče, fetus.
10:22
And God came to Lehi and said to him,
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Bog je došao Lehiju i rekao mu, "Ukrcaj svoju obitelj u čamac
10:24
"Put your family on a boat and I will lead you out of here."
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i izvest ću te odavde." I Bog ga je doista izveo.
10:27
And God did lead them.
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10:29
He led them to America.
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Odveo ga je u Ameriku.
10:32
I said, "America?
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Rekla sam, "U Ameriku? Iz Jeruzalema u Ameriku u čamcu 600.g. pr. Kr.?"
10:33
(Laughter)
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10:35
From Jerusalem to America by boat in 600 BC?"
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10:40
And they said, "Yes."
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Rekli su, "Da."
10:42
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:43
Then they told me how Lehi and his descendants
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Onda su mi rekli kako su se Lehi i njegovi potomci
10:46
reproduced and reproduced, and over the course of 600 years,
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množili i množili, i za 600 godina
10:49
there were two great races of them, the Nephites and the Lamanites,
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nastala su dva velika plemena, Nefiti i Lamaniti,
10:52
and the Nephites were totally good -- each and every one of them --
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i Nefiti su bili posve, posve dobri -- svi do jednog --
10:55
and the Lamanites were totally bad and evil --
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a Lamaniti su bili posve loši i zli --
svi do jednog i jednostavno pokvareni do srži.
10:58
every single one of them just bad to the bone.
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(Smijeh)
11:00
Then, after Jesus died on the cross for our sins,
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Tada, nakon što je Isus umro na križu za naše grijehe,
11:03
on his way up to heaven,
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na putu do neba zaustavio se u Americi i posjetio Nefite.
11:04
he stopped by America and visited the Nephites.
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11:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:08
And he told them that if they all remained totally, totally good --
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Rekao im je da, ako svi ostanu posve, posve dobri --
svi do jednog --
11:12
each and every one of them --
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11:13
they would win the war against the evil Lamanites.
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pobijedit će u ratu protiv zlih Lamanita.
11:16
But apparently somebody blew it,
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No izgleda da se netko izbrbljao
11:18
because the Lamanites were able to kill all the Nephites.
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zato što su Lamaniti smogli ubiti sve Nefite.
11:21
All but one guy, this guy named Mormon,
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Ali jedan je čovjek po imenu Mormon,
11:23
who managed to survive by hiding in the woods.
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uspio preživjeti skrivajući se u šumi.
11:26
And he made sure this whole story was written down
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I on se pobrinuo da se cijela priča zapiše
11:29
in reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics chiseled onto gold plates,
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reformiranim egipatskim hijeroglifima uklesanima u zlatne ploče,
11:33
which he then buried near Palmyra, New York.
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koje je zatim zakopao blizu Palmyre u saveznoj državi New York.
11:36
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:42
Well, I was just on the edge of my seat.
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Pa, jednostavno sam umirala od znatiželje.
11:45
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:48
I said, "What happened to the Lamanites?"
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Rekla sam, "Što se dogodilo Lamanitima?"
11:51
And they said, "Well, they became our Native Americans, here in the U.S."
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Rekli su, "Pa, postali su Indijanci ovdje u SAD-u."
I ja sam rekla, "Dakle, vi vjerujete da su Indijanci potomci
11:55
And I said, "So, you believe the Native Americans are descended
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11:58
from a people who were totally evil?"
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ljudi koji su bili posve zli?" Rekli su, "Da."
12:00
And they said, "Yes."
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12:02
Then they told me how this guy named Joseph Smith
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Zatim su mi rekli kako je taj čovjek po imenu Joseph Smith
12:05
found those buried gold plates right in his backyard,
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pronašao te zakopane zlatne ploče u svojem dvorištu,
12:09
and he also found this magic stone back there that he put into his hat
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i također je tamo pronašao čaroban kamen koji je stavio u svoj šešir
i zatim zakopao unutra svoje lice, što mu je omogućilo
12:13
and then buried his face into,
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12:14
and this allowed him to translate the gold plates
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da prevede zlatne ploče s reformiranog egipćanskog na engleski.
12:17
from the reformed Egyptian into English.
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12:19
Well, at this point I just wanted to give these two boys some advice
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U tom trenutku samo sam im htjela dati
savjet o njihovoj prezentaciji.
12:23
about their pitch.
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12:24
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
12:27
I wanted to say --
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Htjela sam reći, "OK, nemojte početi s tom pričom."
12:28
(Applause)
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12:30
"Ok, don't start with this story."
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12:32
(Laughter)
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12:34
I mean, even the Scientologists
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Mislim, čak i scijentolozi znaju početi s testom osobnosti prije nego što krenu --
12:36
know to start with a personality test before they start --
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12:39
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
12:41
telling people all about Xenu, the evil intergalactic overlord.
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-- govoriti ljudima sve o Xenuu, zlom intergalaktičkom vladaru.
12:46
Then, they said, "Do you believe that God speaks to us
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Onda su rekli, "Vjerujete li da nam Bog govori
12:48
through his righteous prophets?"
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kroz svoje pravedne proroke?" I ja sam rekla, "Ne, ne vjerujem."
12:50
And I said, "No, I don't,"
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12:51
because I was sort of upset about this Lamanite story
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Zato što sam na neki način bila uzrujana zbog priče o Lamanitima
i te lude priče o zlatnoj ploči, no istina je,
12:54
and this crazy gold plate story,
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12:55
but the truth was, I hadn't really thought this through,
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da ustvari nisam o tome razmislila, pa sam se malo povukla i rekla,
12:58
so I backpedaled a little and I said,
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13:00
"Well, what exactly do you mean by 'righteous'?
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"Na što točno mislite kad kažete pravedan?
13:03
And what do you mean by prophets? Like, could the prophets be women?"
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I kad kažete proroke? Mogu li prorocima biti žene?"
13:07
And they said, "No." And I said, "Why?"
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Rekli su, "Ne." A ja sam rekla, "Zašto?" Rekli su,
13:10
And they said, "Well, it's because God gave women a gift
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"Pa, zato što je Bog dao ženama tako spektakularan dar,
13:14
that is so spectacular,
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13:16
it is so wonderful, that the only gift he had left over to give men
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tako divan, da je jedini dar koji mu je preostao za muškarce
13:21
was the gift of prophecy."
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bio dar proročanstva."
13:23
What is this wonderful gift God gave women, I wondered?
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Koji je to divan dar Bog dao ženama, pitala sam se?
Možda je to njihova veća sposobnost suradnje i prilagodbe?
13:27
Maybe their greater ability to cooperate and adapt?
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13:30
(Laughter)
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13:31
Women's longer lifespan?
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Duži životni vijek? Činjenica da žene
13:32
The fact that women tend to be much less violent than men?
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manje naginju nasilju od muškaraca? Ali ne, nije bio nijedan od tih darova.
13:36
But no -- it wasn't any of these gifts.
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13:38
They said, "Well, it's her ability to bear children."
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Rekli su, "Pa, to je njihova sposobnost da rađaju."
13:41
I said, "Oh, come on.
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Rekla sam, "Ma, dajte. Mislim, čak i kad bi žene pokušale imati dijete
13:42
I mean, even if women tried to have a baby every single year
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svaku godinu od svoje 15-te do 45-te godine života,
13:45
from the time they were 15 to the time they were 45,
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13:48
assuming they didn't die from exhaustion,
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uz pretpostavku da ne umru od iscrpljenosti,
13:50
it still seems like some women would have some time left over
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ipak izgleda da bi nekim ženama preostalo vremena
13:53
to hear the word of God."
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da čuju riječ Božju." Rekli su, "Ne."
13:55
And they said, "No."
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13:57
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
14:00
Well, then they didn't look so fresh-faced and cute to me any more,
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Pa, tad mi više nisu izgledali tako svježe i milo,
no imali su još nešto za reći.
14:03
but they had more to say.
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14:04
They said, "Well, we also believe that if you're a Mormon,
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Rekli su, "Pa, mi također vjerujemo da ako si Mormon
14:07
and if you're in good standing with the church,
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i ako si u dobrim odnosima s crkvom, kad umreš
14:09
when you die, you get to go to heaven
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možeš ići u raj i biti zauvijek sa svojom obitelji."
14:11
and be with your family for all eternity."
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14:14
And I said, "Oh, dear.
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Rekla sam, "O, bože --
14:16
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
14:23
That wouldn't be such a good incentive for me."
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-- to ne bi bio tako dobar motiv za mene."
14:25
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
14:26
And they said, "Oh.
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Rekli su, "O -- hej, pa, mi također vjerujemo
14:28
(Laughter)
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14:29
Hey! Well, we also believe that when you go to heaven,
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da, kad odeš u raj, dobiješ svoje tijelo vraćeno
14:32
you get your body restored to you in its best original state.
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u svoje najbolje originalno stanje.
14:35
Like, if you'd lost a leg, well, you get it back.
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Npr., ako izgubiš nogu, pa, dobiješ ju nazad.
14:38
Or, if you'd gone blind, you could see."
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Ili, ako si bio slijep, progledaš."
14:40
I said, "Oh. Now, I don't have a uterus,
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Rekla sam, "O -- sad, nemam maternicu jer sam imala rak
14:43
because I had cancer a few years ago.
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prije nekoliko godina. Dakle, da li to znači da bi u raju
14:45
So does this mean that if I went to heaven,
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14:47
I would get my old uterus back?"
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dobila svoju maternicu nazad?" Rekli su, "Naravno."
14:49
And they said, "Sure."
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14:51
And I said, "I don't want it back. I'm happy without it." Gosh.
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Rekla sam, "Ne želim ju. Sretna sam bez nje." Bože.
14:57
What if you had a nose job and you liked it?
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Što ako ste imali korekciju nosa i svidjelo vam se?
15:00
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
15:02
Would God force you to get your old nose back?
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Da li bi te Bog prisilio da uzmeš stari nos?
15:05
Then they gave me this Book of Mormon,
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Zatim su mi dali tu Mormonovu knjigu
15:07
told me to read this chapter and that chapter,
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i rekli mi da pročitam i ovo i ono poglavlje,
15:09
and said they'd come back and check in on me,
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i rekli su da će se jednom vratiti i provjeriti kako mi ide,
mislim da sam rekla nešto kao, "Molim vas da se ne žurite,"
15:12
and I think I said something like, "Please don't hurry,"
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ili možda samo, "Molim, nemojte", te su otišli.
15:14
or maybe just, "Please don't," and they were gone.
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15:17
Ok, so I initially felt really superior to these boys,
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OK, u početku sam se osjećala superiorno nad tim dječacima,
15:19
and smug in my more conventional faith.
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i samodopadno u svojoj tradicionalnijoj vjeri. No zatim,
15:23
But then the more I thought about it, the more I had to be honest with myself.
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što sam više razmišljala o tome, tim više sam morala biti iskrena sa sobom.
Da netko dođe na moja vrata i slušam katoličku teologiju
15:27
If someone came to my door
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15:28
and I was hearing Catholic theology and dogma for the very first time,
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i dogmu prvi put u životu, i da kažu,
15:31
and they said, "We believe that God impregnated a very young girl
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"Mi vjerujemo da je Bog impregnirao vrlo mladu djevojku
15:35
without the use of intercourse,
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bez spolnog odnosa,
15:37
and the fact that she was a virgin is maniacally important to us."
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i činjenica da je bila djevica luđački nam je važna --
15:40
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
15:41
"And she had a baby, and that's the son of God,"
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-- i rodila je dijete, i to je sin Boga,"
15:44
I mean, I would think that's equally ridiculous.
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mislila bi da je to jednako apsurdno.
15:47
I'm just so used to that story.
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Jednostavno sam se toliko navikla na tu priču.
15:48
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
15:50
So, I couldn't let myself feel condescending towards these boys.
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Nisam si mogla dopustiti da se ponašam snishodljivo prema tim dječacima.
15:53
But the question they asked me when they first arrived
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No pitanje koje su mi postavili kad su došli
stvarno mi nije išlo iz glave.
15:56
really stuck in my head:
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15:57
Did I believe that God loved me with all his heart?
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Da li sam ja vjerovala da me Bog volio svim srcem?
16:01
Because I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about that question.
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Zato što nisam bila sasvim sigurna što osjećam po tom pitanju.
Sad, da su me pitali,
16:04
Now, if they had asked me,
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"Do you feel that God loves you with all his heart?"
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Da li osjećaš da te Bog voli svim svojim srcem?
16:09
Well, that would have been much different, I think I would have instantly answered,
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To je moglo biti puno drugačije, mislim da bi odmah odgovorila,
"Da, da, osjećam to cijelo vrijeme. Osjećam Božju ljubav kad sam povrijeđena i zbunjena,
16:13
"Yes, yes, I feel it all the time.
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16:14
I feel God's love when I'm hurt and confused,
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16:17
and I feel consoled and cared for.
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i osjećam da sam utješena i zbrinuta. Nalazim utočište u Božjoj ljubavi
16:20
I take shelter in God's love when I don't understand why tragedy hits,
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kad ne razumijem zašto se događa tragedija
16:24
and I feel God's love when I look with gratitude at all the beauty I see."
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i osjećam Božju ljubav kad sa zahvalnošću gledam svu ljepotu naokolo."
16:28
But since they asked me that question with the word "believe" in it,
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No otkad su mi postavili to pitanje s riječi "vjerujem" u njemu,
16:31
somehow it was all different,
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nekako je sve bilo drugačije,
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because I wasn't exactly sure if I believed what I so clearly felt.
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zato što nisam bila sasvim sigurna vjerujem li u ono što sam tako jasno osjećala.

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