Zainab Salbi: Women, wartime and the dream of peace

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翻译人员: Andrea Feng 校对人员: Xinli Geng
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I woke up in the middle of the night
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半夜里一声巨大的爆炸声
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with the sound of heavy explosion.
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把我从睡梦中惊醒
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It was deep at night.
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当时已经很晚了
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I do not remember what time it was.
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我不记得确切的时间
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I just remember the sound
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只记得那声音
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was so heavy
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是如此巨大
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and so very shocking.
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如此吓人
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Everything in my room was shaking --
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我屋里的每样东西都在晃动
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my heart, my windows,
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我的心,我的窗户
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my bed, everything.
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我的床,全都在晃动
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I looked out the windows
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我望向窗外
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and I saw a full half-circle
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看到一个完整的
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of explosion.
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半圆形火球
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I thought it was just like the movies,
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我心想这简直就是电影
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but the movies had not conveyed them
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可电影却无法准确表现
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in the powerful image that I was seeing
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我所看到的震慑人心的画面
00:57
full of bright red
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那鲜亮的红色
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and orange and gray,
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橙色和灰色
01:01
and a full circle of explosion.
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以及爆炸产生的的一团火球
01:03
And I kept on staring at it
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我目不转睛地盯着
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until it disappeared.
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直到那团火球消失
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I went back to my bed,
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然后我回到床上
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and I prayed,
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开始祷告
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and I secretly thanked God
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我偷偷地感谢上帝
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that that missile
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只因那枚导弹
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did not land on my family's home,
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没有打中我家
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that it did not kill my family that night.
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没有杀死我的家人
01:28
Thirty years have passed,
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三十年过去了
01:30
and I still feel guilty about that prayer,
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我仍对那次的祷告感到愧疚
01:34
for the next day, I learned that that missile
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因为第二天我才知道,那枚导弹
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landed on my brother's friend's home
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打中了我哥哥的朋友家
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and killed him
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并且杀死了
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and his father,
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他和他的父亲
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but did not kill his mother or his sister.
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他的母亲和妹妹则逃过一劫
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His mother showed up the next week
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一个礼拜后
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at my brother's classroom
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他的母亲去到我哥哥的教室
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and begged seven-year-old kids
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恳求那些七岁大的孩子
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to share with her any picture they may have
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能够把他们手中有她儿子
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of her son,
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的照片统统给她
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for she had lost everything.
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因为她失去了一切
02:09
This is not a story
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这个故事不是关于
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of a nameless survivor of war,
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某个在战争中存活下来的无名者
02:15
and nameless refugees,
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也不是关于
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whose stereotypical images we see in our newspapers
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我们常在报纸或电视中看到的
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and our TV
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那些无名的难民
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with tattered clothes,
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他们衣不蔽体
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dirty face, scared eyes.
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蓬头垢面,眼神惊恐
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This is not a story of a nameless someone
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这也不是某些我们不知道姓名的人的故事
02:32
who lived in some war,
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那些生活在某场战争中
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who we do not know their hopes, their dreams,
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我们不知道他们的希望与梦想
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their accomplishments, their families,
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不清楚他们的成就与家庭
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their beliefs, their values.
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也不了解他们的信仰和价值观
02:41
This is my story.
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这是我的故事
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I was that girl.
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我就是那个女孩
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I am another image and vision
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我就是另一个有关战争存活者的
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of another survivor of war.
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鲜活的描绘
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I am that refugee,
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我就是那个难民
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and I am that girl.
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我就是那个女孩
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You see,
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你现在知道
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I grew up in war-torn Iraq,
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我在战争中的伊拉克成长
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and I believe that there are two sides of wars
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我相信战争有不同的两面
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and we've only seen
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而我们只看到
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one side of it.
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其中的一面
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We only talk about
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我们只谈论
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one side of it.
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其中的一面
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But there's another side
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但战争还有另一面
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that I have witnessed
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这一面我亲眼见过
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as someone who lived in it
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作为一个曾经生活在其中的人
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and someone who ended up working in it.
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一个最终从事这方面工作的人
03:26
I grew up with the colors of war --
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我在战争的颜色中成长
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the red colors of fire and blood,
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红色的血与火
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the brown tones of earth
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棕色的土地
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as it explodes
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爆炸
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in our faces
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就在我面前
03:39
and the piercing silver
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还有银色的碎片
03:41
of an exploded missile,
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导弹爆炸时飞散而来
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so bright
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那么明亮
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that nothing can protect your eyes from it.
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没有东西可以保护你的眼睛
03:49
I grew up
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我成长于
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with the sounds of war --
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战争的声音中
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the staccato sounds of gunfire,
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那些断断续续的枪火声
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the wrenching booms of explosions,
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折磨人的爆炸声
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ominous drones of jets flying overhead
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飞机过顶时的轰隆声
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and the wailing warning sounds
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还有警笛发出的
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of sirens.
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哀号
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These are the sounds you would expect,
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这些都是你能想到的声音
04:10
but they are also the sounds
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还有一些声音
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of dissonant concerts of a flock of birds
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比如说一群鸟在深夜
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screeching in the night,
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发出不和谐的尖叫
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the high-pitched honest cries
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孩子们发出的
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of children
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高亢的哭声
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and the thunderous,
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还有如雷般
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unbearable
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难以忍受的
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silence.
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寂静
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"War," a friend of mine said,
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“战争”,我的一个朋友曾经说过
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"is not about sound at all.
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“根本不是有声的
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It is actually about silence,
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它其实是一种沉默
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the silence of humanity."
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人性的沉默”
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I have since left Iraq
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从那以后我离开了伊拉克
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and founded a group called Women for Women International
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成立了一个叫做国际妇女互助会(Women for Women International)的组织
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that ends up working
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并最终和一群
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with women survivors of wars.
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战争中存活下来的女性们一起工作
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In my travels and in my work,
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在我的旅途和工作中
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from Congo to Afghanistan,
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从刚果到阿富汗
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from Sudan to Rwanda,
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从苏丹到卢旺达
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I have learned not only
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我发现
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that the colors and the sounds of war are the same,
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不仅战争的颜色和声音是相同的
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but the fears of war are the same.
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对战争的恐惧也是一样的
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You know, there is a fear of dying,
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对死亡的恐惧是众所周知的
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and do not believe any movie character
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不要相信那些
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where the hero is not afraid.
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电影中对死亡无所畏惧的英雄
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It is very scary
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非常的恐怖
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to go through that feeling
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经历那种
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of "I am about to die"
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“我要死了”
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or "I could die in this explosion."
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或者“我可能会在爆炸中死亡”的感觉
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But there's also the fear
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但是还有一种
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of losing loved ones,
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对于失去至亲的恐惧
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and I think that's even worse.
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在我看来更为可怕
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It's too painful. You don't want to think about it.
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光是想想就能让你觉得痛苦不堪
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But I think the worst kind of fear is the fear --
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但我认为最大的恐惧
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as Samia, a Bosnian woman, once told me,
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正如一个经历了四年萨拉热窝围城的
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who survived the four-years besiege of Sarajevo;
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波斯尼亚女人Samia曾对我说的那样
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she said, "The fear
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她说,“是害怕
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of losing
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失去
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the 'I' in me,
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内在的自我
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the fear of losing
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害怕失去
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the 'I' in me."
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内在的自我”
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That's what my mother in Iraq
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我在伊拉克的母亲
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used to tell me.
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也曾经这么说过
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It's like dying from inside-out.
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这好像从内心开始死去一样
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A Palestinian woman once told me,
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一个巴勒斯但女人曾跟我说
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"It is not about the fear of one death,"
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”这不是对一次死亡的恐惧
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she said, "sometimes I feel
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我有时甚至觉得
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I die 10 times in one day,"
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我一天死了十次。“
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as she was describing the marches of soldiers
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她同时跟我描述士兵列队前进
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and the sounds of their bullets.
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还有他们的子弹的声音
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She said, "But it's not fair,
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她继续说道,”但不公平
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because there is only one life,
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因为生命只有一次
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and there should only be one death."
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死亡也应该只有一次。”
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We have been only seeing
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我们只看到
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one side of war.
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战争的一面
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We have only been discussing and consumed
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我们只探讨
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with high-level preoccupations
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和高度关注
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over troop levels, drawdown timelines,
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作战计划和时间线的制定
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surges and sting operations,
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关注如何进攻和打击
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when we should be examining the details
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而我们却更应该去研究
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of where the social fabric
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从社会被撕裂得
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has been most torn,
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最严重的地方开始
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where the community has improvised
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研究人们是如何应变
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and survived
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以及生存
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and shown acts of resilience
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同时表现出
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and amazing courage
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让生活继续的韧性
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just to keep life going.
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和惊人的勇气
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We have been so consumed
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我们听到了太多
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with seemingly objective discussions
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表面上很客观的讨论和论调
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of politics, tactics,
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无论是关于政治、战术
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weapons, dollars
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武器、美元
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and casualties.
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还是伤亡人数
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This is the language
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这些都是贫乏
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of sterility.
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无力的语言
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How casually
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我们竟用
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we treat casualties
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如此漫不经心的口吻
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in the context of this topic.
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谈论战争伤害
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This is where we conceive of rape and casualties
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好像我们觉得强奸和伤亡
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as inevitabilities.
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都是不可避免的一样
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Eighty percent of refugees around the world
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世界上有80%的难民
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are women and children. Oh.
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是女人和孩童
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Ninety percent of modern war casualties
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现代战争中
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are civilians.
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平民占了90%的伤亡
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Seventy-five percent of them are women and children.
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其中又有75%是妇女和孩童
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How interesting.
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真有意思啊
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Oh, half a million women in Rwanda
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在卢旺达,有50万女人
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get raped in 100 days.
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在100天内被强奸
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Or, as we speak now,
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就在此刻
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hundreds of thousands of Congolese women
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成百上千的刚果女人
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are getting raped and mutilated.
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被强奸和凌虐
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How interesting.
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真有意思啊
08:01
These just become numbers that we refer to.
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这些却只是成为我们参考的数字
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The front of wars
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在战争前线
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is increasingly non-human eyes
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不断增加的卫星
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peering down on our perceived enemies
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从太空中俯视着
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from space,
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我们已知的敌人
08:14
guiding missiles toward unseen targets,
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指引导弹飞向隐形的目标
08:17
while the human conduct
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当人们为了
08:19
of the orchestra of media relations
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媒体文章的丰富性而表演时
08:21
in the event that this particular drone attack
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这架无人驾驶的武器
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hits a villager
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没有击中极端分子
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instead of an extremist.
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打到一个村民
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It is a chess game.
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这是一场国际象棋比赛
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You learn to play an international relations school
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你学习如何去玩一场国际关系的比赛
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on your way out and up
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当你离开时
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to national and international leadership.
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在国内和国际领导者中游刃有余
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Checkmate.
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完全失败!
08:41
We are missing
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我们完全忽略了
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a completely other side of wars.
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战争的另一面
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We are missing my mother's story,
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我们忽略了我母亲的故事
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who made sure with every siren, with every raid,
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每一次警笛响起、袭击来临时
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with every cut off-of electricity,
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每一次断电时
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she played puppet shows for my brothers and I,
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她都会给我和哥哥表演手偶
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so we would not be scared
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这样我们就不会对爆炸的声音
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of the sounds of explosions.
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感到害怕
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We are missing the story of Fareeda,
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我们忽略了Fareeda的故事
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a music teacher,
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她是一个音乐老师
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a piano teacher, in Sarajevo,
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在萨拉热窝教钢琴
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who made sure
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她保证
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that she kept the music school open
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她的音乐学校
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every single day
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在四年的萨拉热窝围城中
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in the four years of besiege in Sarajevo
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每一天都正常运转
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and walked to that school,
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她每天走路去学校
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despite the snipers shooting
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不管机枪如何瞄准
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at that school and at her,
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她的学校和她自己
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and kept the piano, the violin, the cello
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保证钢琴、小提琴和大提琴
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playing the whole duration of the war,
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在战争期间都被学生们
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with students wearing their gloves and hats and coats.
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带着手套、帽子,穿着大衣来弹奏。
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That was her fight.
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那是她的抗争
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That was her resistance.
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那是她的抵抗
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We are missing the story of Nehia,
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我们忽略了Nehia的故事
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a Palestinian woman in Gaza
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她是一名生活在加沙的巴勒斯坦女人
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who, the minute there was a cease-fire in the last year's war,
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她在去年战争停火的那一刻
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she left out of home,
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离开家门
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collected all the flour
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四处收集面粉
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and baked as much bread for every neighbor to have,
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并烘烤出足够所有邻居的面包
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in case there is no cease-fire the day after.
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以防第二天就不再有停火协议
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We are missing
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我们忽略了
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the stories of Violet,
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Violet的故事
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who, despite surviving genocide in the church massacre,
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就算刚从教堂的种族屠杀中逃脱
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she kept on going on,
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她依然继续
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burying bodies, cleaning homes, cleaning the streets.
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埋葬尸体,清理房屋和街道
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We are missing stories of women
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我们忽略了那些女人的故事
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who are literally keeping life going
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她们在战火中
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in the midst of wars.
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依旧维持生活运转
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Do you know --
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你知道吗
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do you know that people fall in love in war
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人们在战火中相爱
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and go to school
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去学校上课
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and go to factories and hospitals
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去工厂和医院工作
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and get divorced and go dancing and go playing
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离婚、跳舞、游乐
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and live life going?
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努力生活下去
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And the ones who are keeping that life
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而那些维持生活继续的
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are women.
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是女人们
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There are two sides of war.
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战争是有两面性的
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There is a side that fights,
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有在战场上厮杀的一面
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and there is a side that keeps the schools
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也有维持学校
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and the factories and the hospitals open.
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工厂和医院运转的一面
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There is a side that is focused on winning battles,
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一面专注于如何赢得战斗
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and there is a side that is focused
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另一面专注于
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on winning life.
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如何赢得生活
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There is a side that leads the front-line discussion,
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有讨论前线作战的一面
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and there is a side
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也有一面
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that leads the back-line discussion.
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在讨论后方的生活
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There is a side that thinks
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有一面认为
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that peace is the end of fighting,
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和平就是战争的结束
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and there is a side that thinks
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另一面则认为
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that peace is the arrival
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和平意味着
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of schools and jobs.
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安全抵达学校和工作地点
11:17
There is a side
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有一面
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that is led by men,
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被男人们领导
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and there is a side
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另一面
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that is led by women.
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则被女人们掌控
11:25
And in order for us to understand
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为了让我们理解
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how do we build lasting peace,
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如何才能建立长久的和平
11:31
we must understand war and peace
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我们必须从两方面
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from both sides.
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来理解战争与和平
11:36
We must have a full picture
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我们必须对它
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of what that means.
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有一个全局的认识
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In order for us to understand
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为了让我们理解
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what actually peace means,
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到底什么才是和平
11:44
we need to understand,
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我们需要明白的
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as one Sudanese woman once told me,
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正如一个苏丹女人跟我说的那样
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"Peace is the fact that my toenails
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“和平就是我的脚趾甲
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are growing back again."
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能重新长出来。”
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She grew up in Sudan, in Southern Sudan,
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她在苏丹南部长大
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for 20 years of war,
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长达20年的战争
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where it killed one million people
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造成一百万人的死亡
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and displaced five million refugees.
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五百万难民的流离失所
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Many women were taken as slaves
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许多女人被叛军和士兵
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by rebels and soldiers,
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当成奴隶
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as sexual slaves who were forced also
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她们被迫成为性奴
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to carry the ammunition and the water
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同时还必须为士兵
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and the food for the soldiers.
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运送弹药、水和食物
12:15
So that woman walked for 20 years,
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因此那个女人为了不被再次绑架
12:18
so she would not be kidnapped again.
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20年间一直在四处逃难
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And only when there was some sort of peace,
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只有当和平开始到来时
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her toenails grew back again.
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她的脚趾甲才能重新长出来
12:28
We need to understand peace
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我们需要从一个脚趾甲的角度
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from a toenail's perspective.
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来理解和平的意义
12:34
We need to understand
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我们需要明白
12:36
that we cannot actually have negotiations
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如果女人不能完全参与
12:38
of ending of wars or peace
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到谈判桌上
12:40
without fully including women
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我们实际上不可能有
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at the negotiating table.
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关于停战或和平的真正谈判
12:45
I find it amazing
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我惊讶地发现
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that the only group of people
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在战争中,唯一一组
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who are not fighting and not killing
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没有战斗、没有杀戮
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and not pillaging and not burning and not raping,
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没有掠夺、没有烧杀、没有强奸的人
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and the group of people who are mostly --
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这组在战火中最努力
12:56
though not exclusively --
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虽然不是所有的人
12:58
who are keeping life going in the midst of war,
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让生活在战火中继续的人
13:01
are not included in the negotiating table.
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却没有被接纳到谈判桌上
13:06
And I do argue that women lead the back-line discussion,
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我确实认为女人应领导关于后方的讨论
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but there are also men
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但同时也有男人
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who are excluded from that discussion.
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被排除在这个讨论之外
13:13
The doctors who are not fighting,
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那些没有参与战斗的医生
13:15
the artists, the students, the men who refuse to pick up the guns,
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那些艺术家、学生、拒绝拿起枪支的人
13:18
they are, too, excluded
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他们也被排除在
13:20
from the negotiating tables.
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谈判桌外
13:23
There is no way we can talk about a lasting peace,
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我们不可能谈论长久的和平
13:26
building of democracy, sustainable economies,
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民主建设、经济的可持续发展
13:29
any kind of stabilities,
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以及任何形式的稳定
13:31
if we do not fully include women
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如果我们没有将女人
13:34
at the negotiating table.
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完全包含进谈判桌上
13:36
Not one, but 50 percent.
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不仅仅是一个,而是一半
13:40
There is no way we can talk about the building of stability
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我们无法讨论如何建立稳定的局势
13:43
if we don't start investing
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如果我们不开始
13:46
in women and girls.
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在女人和女孩身上投资
13:48
Did you know
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你知道
13:50
that one year
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每年
13:52
of the world's military spending
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全世界的军费开支
13:54
equals 700 years
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等于七百年的
13:57
of the U.N. budget
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联合国预算
14:00
and equals 2,928 years
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也等于2928年的
14:03
of the U.N. budget allocated for women?
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联合国的女性预算?
14:07
If we just reverse
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如果我们将那笔开支
14:09
that distribution of funds,
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用于上述两个方面
14:11
perhaps we could have
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那么或许我们能够拥有
14:14
a better lasting peace in this world.
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更为长久美好的和平
14:17
And last, but not least,
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最后同样重要的一点就是
14:19
we need to invest in peace and women,
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我们需要在和平和女人身上投资
14:22
not only because it is the right thing to do,
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不仅因为这是一件正确的事情
14:25
not only because it is the right thing to do,
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不仅因为这是为了建立可持续的和平
14:28
for all of us to build sustainable and lasting peace today,
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而做的正确的事情
14:31
but it is for the future.
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这也是为了将来
14:34
A Congolese woman,
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一个刚果女人
14:36
who was telling me about
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曾告诉我
14:38
how her children saw their father killed in front of them
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她的孩子们是如何亲眼看着自己的父亲被杀害
14:41
and saw her raped in front of them
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母亲在自己面前被强奸
14:44
and mutilated in front of them,
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在自己面前被凌虐
14:46
and her children saw their nine-year-old sibling
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孩子们也看着他们那九岁的兄弟
14:48
killed in front of them,
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在自己面前被杀害
14:51
how they're doing okay right now.
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他们现在怎能过得好呢?
14:54
She got into Women for Women International's program.
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她加入了国际妇女互助会(Women for Women International)
14:56
She got a support network.
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她得到支援
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She learned about her rights.
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她知道她的权利
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We taught her vocational and business skills. We helped her get a job.
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我们教她职业和商业技巧,帮她找到一份工作
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She was earning 450 dollars. She was doing okay.
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她能挣450美元,过得不错
15:06
She was sending them to school. Have a new home.
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她把孩子们送到新学校,有了一个新家
15:08
She said, "But what I worry about the most
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她说:“我最担心的
15:11
is not any of that.
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并不是这些
15:13
I worry that my children
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我担心我的孩子们
15:15
have hate in their hearts,
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心中充满仇恨
15:18
and when they want to grow up, they want to fight again
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当他们长大时,会想要找
15:21
the killers of their father and their brother."
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杀害他们父亲和兄弟的人报仇。”
15:25
We need to invest in women,
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我们需要在一个女人身上投资
15:28
because that's our only chance
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因为这是我们的唯一希望
15:31
to ensure that there is no more war
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能保证将来
15:33
in the future.
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不再有战争
15:35
That mother has a better chance to heal her children
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那位母亲比任何和平协议
15:38
than any peace agreement can do.
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都能更有效地治愈她的孩子们
15:42
Are there good news? Of course, there are good news. There are lots of good news.
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有这方面的好消息吗?有,而且很多
15:45
To start with, these women that I told you about
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首先,刚刚我提到的那些女人
15:48
are dancing and singing every single day,
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每天都跳舞唱歌
15:51
and if they can,
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如果她们能做到
15:53
who are we not to dance?
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我们为什么不能呢?
15:55
That girl that I told you about
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我之前提到的那个女孩
15:57
ended up starting Women for Women International Group
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最后成立了国际妇女互助会(Women for Women International Group)
16:00
that impacted one million people, sent 80 million dollars,
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这影响了一百万人,募集到八千万美元
16:03
and I started this from zero,
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而这一切都是从零开始
16:05
nothing, nada, [unclear].
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什么都没有
16:08
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
16:11
They are women who are standing on their feet
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这些女人无论情况多么糟糕
16:14
in spite of their circumstances,
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都依靠自己的力量
16:17
not because of it.
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坚强地生存下来
16:20
Think of how the world can be a much better place
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想想看,这个世界会变得更美好
16:23
if, for a change,
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如果能有这么一个改变
16:25
we have a better equality,
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让我们能更加平等
16:27
we have equality,
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让我们平等
16:29
we have a representation
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我们有自己的代表
16:31
and we understand war,
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我们理解战争
16:33
both from the front-line
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不仅从前线
16:35
and the back-line discussion.
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还有后方的讨论
16:37
Rumi, a 13th-century Sufi poet,
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鲁米,一位13世纪的苏菲派诗人
16:40
says, "Out beyond the worlds
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曾说道
16:42
of right-doings and wrong-doings,
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“在对与错的世界之外
16:45
there is a field.
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有一片天地
16:47
I will meet you there.
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你我将会相遇
16:49
When the soul lies down in that grass,
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将心灵置于那片草地之上
16:52
the world is too full
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世界是如此充实
16:54
to talk about.
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让人无法描述
16:56
Ideas, language,
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思想,语言
16:58
even the phrase 'each other'
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甚至“互相”这个词组
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no longer makes any sense."
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已经毫无意义。”
17:04
I humbly add -- humbly add --
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我卑微地增改少许:
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that out beyond
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在超越
17:09
the worlds of war and peace,
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战争与和平的世界之外
17:12
there is a field,
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有一片天地
17:14
and there are many women and men
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有许多女人和男人
17:17
[who] are meeting there.
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在那里相遇
17:20
Let us make this field a much bigger place.
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让我们将这片天地变得更大
17:23
Let us all meet in that field.
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让我们都在那里相遇
17:26
Thank you.
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谢谢
17:28
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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