Molly Crockett: Beware neuro-bunk

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Prevodilac: Andrea Jovanovic Lektor: Ivana Korom
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I'm a neuroscientist, and I study decision-making.
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Ja sam neuronaučnik i izučavam proces odlučivanja.
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I do experiments to test how different chemicals
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Vršim eksperimente da bih testirala kako različite hemijske supstance
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in the brain influence the choices we make.
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u mozgu utiču na odluke koje donosimo.
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I'm here to tell you the secret to successful decision-making:
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Tu sam da vam otkrijem tajnu uspešnog donošenja odluka:
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a cheese sandwich.
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sendvič sa sirom.
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That's right. According to scientists, a cheese sandwich
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Tako je. Po naučnicima, sendvič sa sirom
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is the solution to all your tough decisions.
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je rešenje za sve vaše teške odluke.
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How do I know? I'm the scientist who did the study.
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Kako znam? Ja sam naučnik koji je izvršio istraživanje.
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A few years ago, my colleagues and I were interested
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Pre nekoliko godina, moje kolege i ja smo bili zainteresovani
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in how a brain chemical called serotonin
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za to kako serotonin u ljudskom mozgu
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would influence people's decisions in social situations.
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može da utiče na odluke ljudi u društvenim situacijama.
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Specifically, we wanted to know how serotonin would affect
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Naročito, hteli smo da znamo kako serotonin utiče
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the way people react when they're treated unfairly.
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na reakciju ljudi kad se nepravedno ophode prema njima.
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So we did an experiment.
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Uradili smo eksperiment.
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We manipulated people's serotonin levels by giving them
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Manipulisali smo sa nivoom serotonina, tako što smo ljudima davali
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this really disgusting-tasting artificial lemon-flavored drink
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ovo izuzetno odvratno piće, sa veštačkim ukusom limuna
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that works by taking away the raw ingredient for serotonin
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koje deluje tako što oduzima sirovi sastojak serotonina
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in the brain.
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u mozgu.
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This is the amino acid tryptophan.
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To je aminokiselina triptofan.
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So what we found was, when tryptophan was low,
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Ono što smo otkrili je, da kad je nivo triptofana bio nizak,
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people were more likely to take revenge
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ljudi su bili mnogo skloniji osveti
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when they're treated unfairly.
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kad bi se nepravedno ophodili prema njima.
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That's the study we did, and here are some of the headlines
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Ovo je istraživanje koje smo uradili i evo nekoliko naslova
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that came out afterwards.
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koji su potom objavljeni.
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("A cheese sandwich is all you need for strong decision-making")
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("Sendvič sa sirom je sve što vam je potrebno za čvrsto odlučivanje")
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("What a friend we have in cheeses")
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("Sir je naš prijatelj")
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("Eating Cheese and Meat May Boost Self-Control") At this point, you might be wondering, did I miss something?
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("Konzumiranje sira i mesa može da potpomogne samokontrolu") Sad se možda pitate, da li sam nešto izostavila?
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("Official! Chocolate stops you being grumpy") Cheese? Chocolate? Where did that come from?
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("Zvanično! Čokolada sprečava da budete mrzovoljni") Sir? Čokolada? Odakle ovo dolazi?
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And I thought the same thing myself when these came out,
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I ja sam pomislila isto kad su se pojavili ovi naslovi,
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because our study had nothing to do with cheese or chocolate.
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jer naše istraživanje nije imalo nikakve veze sa sirom ili čokoladom.
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We gave people this horrible-tasting drink
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Dali smo ljudima ovo piće užasnog ukusa
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that affected their tryptophan levels.
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koje je uticalo na njihove nivoe triptofana.
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But it turns out that tryptophan also happens to be found
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Ali ispostavlja se da je triptofan moguće pronaći
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in cheese and chocolate.
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u siru i čokoladi.
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And of course when science says cheese and chocolate
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I naravno kad nauka kaže da vam sir i čokolada
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help you make better decisions, well, that's sure to grab people's attention.
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pomažu da donesete bolje odluke, pa, to sigurno privlači pažnju ljudi.
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So there you have it:
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Znači pred vama je:
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the evolution of a headline.
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evolucija naslova.
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When this happened, a part of me thought, well,
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Kad se ovo dogodilo, jedan deo mene je pomislio, pa,
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what's the big deal?
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zbog čega tolika pometnja?
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So the media oversimplified a few things, but in the end,
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Mediji su previše pojednostavili nekoliko stvari, ali na kraju,
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it's just a news story.
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to je samo priča za vesti.
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And I think a lot of scientists have this attitude.
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I mislim da mnogi naučnici imaju isti stav.
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But the problem is that this kind of thing happens all the time,
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Ali problem je što se ovakve stvari stalno dešavaju
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and it affects not just the stories you read in the news
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i to ne utiče samo na priče koje pročitate u vestima
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but also the products you see on the shelves.
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nego i na proizvode koje vidite na policama.
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When the headlines rolled, what happened was,
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Kad su se naslovi pojavili, ono što se desilo je da
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the marketers came calling.
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su marketari počeli zvati.
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Would I be willing to provide a scientific endorsement
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Da li bih bila voljna da dam naučnu potvrdu
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of a mood-boosting bottled water?
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o flaširanoj vodi koja podiže raspoloženje?
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Or would I go on television to demonstrate,
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Ili da li bih na televiziji demonstrirala,
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in front of a live audience,
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pred pravom publikom,
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that comfort foods really do make you feel better?
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da tradicionalna jela zaista čine da se osećate bolje?
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I think these folks meant well, but had I taken them up on their offers,
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Mislim da su ovi ljudi mislili dobro, ali da sam tad prihvatila njihovu ponudu,
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I would have been going beyond the science,
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izašla bih van granica nauke,
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and good scientists are careful not to do this.
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a dobri naučnici su obazrivi da ne rade tako nešto.
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But nevertheless, neuroscience is turning up more and more in marketing.
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Ali ipak, nauka o nervnom sistemu se pojavljuje sve više i više u marketingu.
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Here's one example: Neuro drinks,
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Evo jednog primera: neuro napici,
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a line of products, including Nuero Bliss here,
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linija proizvoda, ukljućujući ovaj Neuro Bliss ovde,
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which according to its label helps reduce stress,
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koji sudeći po etiketi pomaže pri savladavanju stresa,
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enhances mood, provides focused concentration,
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podiže raspoloženje, pruža viši nivo koncentracije
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and promotes a positive outlook.
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i potpomaže pozitivno gledište.
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I have to say, this sounds awesome. (Laughter)
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Moram da priznam, ovo zvuči super. (Smeh)
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I could totally have used this 10 minutes ago.
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Dobro bi mi došlo pre 10 minuta.
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So when this came up in my local shop, naturally I was
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Kad se ovo pojavilo u obližnjoj prodavnici, naravno bila sam
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curious about some of the research backing these claims.
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znatiželjna povodom istraživanja koja su stajala iza ovih tvrdnji.
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So I went to the company's website looking to find
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Otišla sam na veb stranicu kompanije da pronađem
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some controlled trials of their products.
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neka kontrolisana ispitivanja njihovih proizvoda.
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But I didn't find any.
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Ali nisam našla ništa.
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Trial or no trial, these claims are front and center
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Postojala ta ispitivanja ili ne, ove tvrdnje čine frontalni i centralni deo
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on their label right next to a picture of a brain.
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na njihovoj etiketi tik pored slike mozga.
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And it turns out that pictures of brains have special properties.
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I ispostavlja se da slike mozga imaju posebna svojstva.
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A couple of researchers asked a few hundred people
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Nekolicina naučnika je zamolila nekoliko stotina ljudi
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to read a scientific article.
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da pročitaju jedan naučni članak.
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For half the people, the article included a brain image,
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Za jednu polovinu ispitanika, članak je sadržao sliku mozga,
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and for the other half, it was the same article
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a za drugu polovinu, članak je bio isti
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but it didn't have a brain image.
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ali bez slike mozga.
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At the end — you see where this is going —
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Na kraju - vidite kuda vodi ovo -
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people were asked whether they agreed
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upitali su ispitanike da li se slažu
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with the conclusions of the article.
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sa zaključkom članka.
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So this is how much people agree with the conclusions
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Ovo predstavlja koliko ljudi se složilo sa zaključkom
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with no image.
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bez slike.
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And this is how much they agree with the same article
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A ovo koliko ljudi se složilo sa istim člankom
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that did include a brain image.
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koji nije sadržao sliku mozga.
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So the take-home message here is,
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Poruka za zapamtiti je:
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do you want to sell it? Put a brain on it.
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želite da prodate? Stavite mozak na to.
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Now let me pause here and take a moment to say that
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Dozvolite mi da napravim pauzu i iskoritim trenutak da kažem da je
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neuroscience has advanced a lot in the last few decades,
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nauka nervnog sistema zadnjih nekoliko decenija mnogo napredovala
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and we're constantly discovering amazing things
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i neprestano otkrivamo zapanjujuće stvari
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about the brain.
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o mozgu.
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Like, just a couple of weeks ago, neuroscientists at MIT
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Pre nekoliko nedelja, naučnici u MIT-u
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figured out how to break habits in rats
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zaključili su kako da se promene navike kod pacova
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just by controlling neural activity in a specific part of their brain.
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kontrolišući nervne aktivnosti u određenim delovima njihovog mozga.
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Really cool stuff.
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Stvarno kul stvar.
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But the promise of neuroscience has led to some really
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Ali zavet nauke o nervnom sistemu odveo nas je do nekih zaista
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high expectations and some overblown, unproven claims.
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visokih očekivanja i prenaduvanih, nedokazanih tvrdnji.
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So what I'm going to do is show you how to spot
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Ono što želim da uradim je da pokažem kako da uočite
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a couple of classic moves, dead giveaways, really,
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nekoliko klasičnih caka, lažnih otkrića,
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for what's variously been called neuro-bunk,
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pojave koje se nazivaju neuro-gluposti,
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neuro-bollocks, or, my personal favorite, neuro-flapdoodle.
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neuro-lupetanje ili moj omiljeni naziv - neuro-zamlaćivanje.
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So the first unproven claim is that you can use brain scans
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Prva nedokazana tvrdnja je da skeniranjem mozga možete
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to read people's thoughts and emotions.
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čitati misli i osećanja ljudi.
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Here's a study published by a team of researchers
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Ovo je studija koju je objavila jedna istraživačka grupa
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as an op-ed in The New York Times.
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kao uvodni članak u Njujork Tajmsu.
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The headline? "You Love Your iPhone. Literally."
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Naslov? "Vi volite svoj iPhone. Bukvalno."
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It quickly became the most emailed article on the site.
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Ubrzo je postao najpopularniji članak na stranici.
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So how'd they figure this out?
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Kako su ovo zaključili?
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They put 16 people inside a brain scanner
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Stavili su 16 ljudi u skener mozga
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and showed them videos of ringing iPhones.
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i pokazali im snimke iPhona koji zvone.
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The brain scans showed activation in a part of the brain
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Skener mozga je utvrdio aktivnost u delu mozga
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called the insula, a region they say
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koji se zove insula, u regiji koja kažu da
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is linked to feelings of love and compassion.
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je povezana sa osećanjima ljubavi i samilosti.
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So they concluded that because they saw activation in the insula,
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Došli su do ovog zaključka jer su videli aktivnost u insuli,
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this meant the subjects loved their iPhones.
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što znači da su subjekti voleli svoje iPhone.
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Now there's just one problem with this line of reasoning,
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Postoji samo jedan problem sa ovakvim rezonovanjem,
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and that's that the insula does a lot.
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a to je da insula čini mnogo toga.
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Sure, it is involved in positive emotions
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Istina, povezana je sa pozitivnim osećanjima
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like love and compassion,
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kao što su ljubav i samilost,
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but it's also involved in tons of other processes,
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ali isto tako i sa mnogo drugih procesa,
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like memory, language, attention,
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kao što je pamćenje, jezik, pažnja,
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even anger, disgust and pain.
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čak i bes, gađenje i bol.
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So based on the same logic, I could equally conclude
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Bazirano na istoj logici, mogla bih jednako zaključiti
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you hate your iPhone.
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da mrzite svoj iPhone.
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The point here is, when you see activation in the insula,
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Poenta je, kad vidite aktivnost u insuli,
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you can't just pick and choose your favorite explanation
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ne možete samo tako izabrati vaše omiljeno objašnjenje
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from off this list, and it's a really long list.
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sa liste, a lista je zaista dugačka.
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My colleagues Tal Yarkoni and Russ Poldrack
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Moje kolege Tal Jarkoni i Ras Poldrak
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have shown that the insula pops up in almost a third
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su dokazali da se insula pojavljuje u skoro trećini
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of all brain imaging studies that have ever been published.
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svih do sad objavljenih studija o oslikavanju mozga.
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So chances are really, really good
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Znači da su šanse zaista, zaista dobre
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that your insula is going off right now,
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da vaša insula deluje upravo sada,
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but I won't kid myself
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ali neću zavaravati sebe
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to think this means you love me.
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misleći da me volite.
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So speaking of love and the brain,
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Pričajući o ljubavi i mozgu,
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there's a researcher, known to some as Dr. Love,
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postoji jedan istraživač, nekima poznat kao Dr Ljubav,
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who claims that scientists have found the glue
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koji tvrdi da su naučnici pronašli lepak
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that holds society together,
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koji društvo drži zajedno,
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the source of love and prosperity.
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izvor ljubavi i prosperiteta.
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This time it's not a cheese sandwich.
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Ovaj put nije reč o sendviču sa sirom.
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No, it's a hormone called oxytocin.
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Ne, to je hormon po imenu oksitocin.
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You've probably heard of it.
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Verovatno ste čuli za njega.
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So, Dr. Love bases his argument on studies showing
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Znači, Dr Ljubav svoj argument bazira na studiji pokazujući
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that when you boost people's oxytocin,
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da kad vi podignete nivo oksitocina kod ljudi,
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this increases their trust, empathy and cooperation.
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ovo rezultuje rastom njihovog poverenja, empatije i sklonosti ka saradnji.
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So he's calling oxytocin "the moral molecule."
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On oksitocin naziva i "molekulom morala."
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Now these studies are scientifically valid,
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E sad, ove studije su naučno ispravne
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and they've been replicated, but they're not the whole story.
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i bile su ponovljene, ali ne predstavljaju kompletnu priču.
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Other studies have shown that boosting oxytocin
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Druge studije su pokazale da podizanje nivoa oksitocina
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increases envy. It increases gloating.
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povećava nivo zavisti. To povećeva likovanje.
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Oxytocin can bias people to favor their own group
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Oksitocin može nagnati ljude da favorizuju svoju grupu
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at the expense of other groups.
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na račun drugih grupa.
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And in some cases, oxytocin can even decrease cooperation.
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I u nekim slučajevima, oksitocin čak može da smanji sklonost ka saradnji.
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So based on these studies, I could say oxytocin
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Znači, na osnovu ovih studija, mogu reći da je oksitocin
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is an immoral molecule, and call myself Dr. Strangelove.
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jedan nemoralan molekul, i nazvati sebe Dr Čudnaljubav.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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So we've seen neuro-flapdoodle all over the headlines.
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Videli smo po raznim naslovima neuro-lupetanje.
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We see it in supermarkets, on book covers.
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Vidimo ga u supermarketima, na koricama knjige.
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What about the clinic?
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Šta je sa klinikama?
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SPECT imaging is a brain-scanning technology
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SPECT oslikavanje je tehnika za skeniranje mozga
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that uses a radioactive tracer
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koja koristi radioaktivni tragač
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to track blood flow in the brain.
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u cilju praćenja toka krvi u mozgu.
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For the bargain price of a few thousand dollars,
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Po bagatelnoj ceni od nekoliko stotina dolara,
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there are clinics in the U.S. that will give you
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imate klinike u Americi koje će vam uraditi
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one of these SPECT scans and use the image
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jedan od ovih SPECT skeniranja i koristeći sliku
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to help diagnose your problems.
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pomoći će vam u uspostavljanju dijagnoze vašeg problema.
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These scans, the clinics say, can help
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Ovi snimci, bolnice tvrde, vam mogu pomoći
09:03
prevent Alzheimer's disease,
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u prevenciji Alchajmerove bolesti,
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solve weight and addiction issues,
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pomoći da smršate i rešite razne probleme zavisnosti,
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overcome marital conflicts,
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da prebrodite bračne konflikte
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and treat, of course, a variety of mental illnesses
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i lečite, naravno, niz mentalnih oboljenja
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ranging from depression to anxiety to ADHD.
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koja variraju od depresije preko uznemirenosti do ADHD.
09:18
This sounds great. A lot of people agree.
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Ovo zvuči super. Mnogi ljudi se slažu.
09:21
Some of these clinics are pulling in tens of millions
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Neke od ovih klinika izvlače po desetine miliona
09:23
of dollars a year in business.
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dolara godišnje kroz biznis.
09:26
There's just one problem.
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Postoji samo jedan problem.
09:28
The broad consensus in neuroscience
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Jasan konsenzus u nauci o nervnom sistemu
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is that we can't yet diagnose mental illness
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je da mi ne možemo još uspostaviti dijagnozu mentalnih oboljenja
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from a single brain scan.
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samo na osnovu jednog skeniranja mozga.
09:37
But these clinics have treated
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Međutim ove bolnice su lečile
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tens of thousands of patients to date,
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nekoliko desetina hiljada pacijenata do danas,
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many of them children,
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mnogi od njih su bila deca,
09:43
and SPECT imaging involves a radioactive injection,
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a SPECT oslikavanje uključuje radioaktivne injekcije,
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so exposing people to radiation, potentially harmful.
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znači izlaganje ljudi radijaciji, potencijalno štetnoj.
09:53
I am more excited than most people, as a neuroscientist,
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Kao neuronaučnik, uzbuđenija sam od većine ljudi,
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about the potential for neuroscience to treat mental illness
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u vezi sa mogućnošću nauke da leči mentalna oboljenja
10:00
and even maybe to make us better and smarter.
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i možda čak da nas učini boljim i pametnijim.
10:05
And if one day we can say that cheese and chocolate
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I ako bismo jednog dana mogli tvrditi da nam sir i čokolada
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help us make better decisions, count me in.
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mogu pomoći da donosimo bolje odluke, računajte na mene.
10:12
But we're not there yet.
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Ali još nismo tamo.
10:15
We haven't found a "buy" button inside the brain,
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Nismo pronašli dugme za "kupovinu" unutar mozga,
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we can't tell whether someone is lying or in love
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ne možemo reći kad neko laže ili je zaljubljen
10:22
just by looking at their brain scans,
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isljučivo gledajući snimak njihovog mozga
10:25
and we can't turn sinners into saints with hormones.
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i ne možemo pretvoriti grešnike u svece pomoću hormona.
10:30
Maybe someday we will, but until then,
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Možda ćemo jednog dana uspeti, ali do tada,
10:32
we have to be careful that we don't let overblown claims
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moramo biti oprezni i ne smemo dozvoliti da prenaduvane tvrdnje
10:35
detract resources and attention away from the real science
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skrenu resurse i pažnju sa prave nauke
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that's playing a much longer game.
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koja igra mnogo dužu igru.
10:42
So here's where you come in.
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Tu nastupate vi.
10:44
If someone tries to sell you something with a brain on it,
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Ako neko pokuša da vam proda nešto sa slikom mozga na istom,
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don't just take them at their word.
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ne verujte im samo na reč.
10:50
Ask the tough questions. Ask to see the evidence.
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Postavite im ozbiljna pitanja. Tražite da vidite dokaze.
10:54
Ask for the part of the story that's not being told.
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Pitajte ih za onaj deo priče koji nije ispričan.
10:58
The answers shouldn't be simple, because the brain isn't simple.
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Odgovori ne treba da budu jednostavni, jer sam mozak nije jednostavan.
11:03
But that's not stopping us from trying to figure it out anyway.
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Ali to nas ne sprečava da pokušamo da ga shvatimo.
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Thank you. (Applause)
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Hvala vam. (Aplauz)

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