Chimps have feelings and thoughts. They should also have rights

Prevodilac: Vesna Radovic Lektor: Tijana Mihajlović

I'd like to have you look at this pencil.

Voleo bih da pogledate ovu olovku.

It's a thing. It's a legal thing.

To je predmet. Pravno gledano.

And so are books you might have or the cars you own.

Kao i knjige ili automobili koje imate.

They're all legal things.

Sve su to, pravno gledano, predmeti.

The great apes that you'll see behind me,

Veliki majmuni koje ćete videti iza mene,

they too are legal things.

i oni su, pravno gledano, predmeti.

Now, I can do that to a legal thing.

Tako ja predmetu mogu da uradim ovo.

I can do whatever I want to my book or my car.

Mogu da uradim šta god hoću svojoj knjizi ili automobilu.

These great apes, you'll see.

Videćete ove velike majmune.

The photographs are taken by a man named James Mollison

Fotografisao ih je čovek po imenu Džejms Molison,

who wrote a book called "James & Other Apes."

koji je napisao knjigu „Džejms i ostali majmuni“.

And he tells in his book how every single one them,

On u toj svojoj knjizi kaže kako je svaki među njima,

almost every one of them, is an orphan

gotovo svaki među njima, jedno siroče

who saw his mother and father die before his eyes.

kome su majka i otac pred očima umrli.

Oni su, pravno gledano, stvari.

They're legal things.

So for centuries, there's been a great legal wall

Tako je vekovima postojao ogromni pravni zid

that separates legal things from legal persons.

koji razdvaja predmete od osoba.

On one hand, legal things are invisible to judges.

Sa jedne strane, predmeti su nevidljivi sudijama.

They don't count in law.

Oni se ne računaju u zakonu.

They don't have any legal rights.

Oni nemaju nikakva prava.

They don't have the capacity for legal rights.

Oni nemaju ni kapacitet za bilo kakva prava.

They are the slaves.

Oni su robovi.

On the other side of that legal wall are the legal persons.

Sa druge strane tog pravnog zida su osobe.

Legal persons are very visible to judges.

Osobe su veoma vidljive sudijama.

They count in law.

One se računaju u zakonu.

They may have many rights.

Mogu imati mnoga prava.

They have the capacity for an infinite number of rights.

One imaju kapacitet za bezbroj prava

And they're the masters.

i one su gospodari.

Right now, all nonhuman animals are legal things.

Trenutno su sve neljudske životinje, pravno gledano, predmeti.

All human beings are legal persons.

Sva ljudska bića su po zakonu osobe.

But being human and being a legal person

Međutim, biti čovek i biti po zakonu osoba

has never been, and is not today, synonymous with a legal person.

nikad nije bilo, niti je danas, sinonim za osobu po zakonu.

Humans and legal persons are not synonymous.

Ljudi i osobe po zakonu nisu sinonimi.

On the one side,

Sa jedne strane,

there have been many human beings over the centuries

bilo je mnogo ljudskih bića tokom vekova

who have been legal things.

koji su po zakonu bili predmeti.

Slaves were legal things.

Robovi su po zakonu bili stvari.

Women, children, were sometimes legal things.

Žene i deca su ponekad bili stvari.

Indeed, a great deal of civil rights struggle over the last centuries

Zapravo, veliki deo borbe za građanska prava kroz vekove

has been to punch a hole through that wall and begin to feed

bio je da probije rupu kroz taj zid i počne da hrani

these human things through the wall and have them become legal persons.

one ljudske stvari kroz taj zid i da od njih napravi zakonski osobe.

But alas, that hole has closed up.

Ali, avaj, ta rupa se zatvorila.

Now, on the other side are legal persons,

Sa druge strane su, pravno gledano, osobe,

but they've never only been limited to human beings.

ali one nikad nisu bile ograničene na ljudska bića.

There are, for example, there are many legal persons who are not even alive.

Primera radi, postoje mnoge osobe po zakonu koje čak nisu ni žive.

In the United States,

U Sjedinjenim Državama,

we're aware of the fact that corporations are legal persons.

svesni smo činjenice da su korporacije pravno gledano osobe.

In pre-independence India,

U Indiji pre nezavisnosti,

a court held that a Hindu idol was a legal person,

na sudu je važilo da je hinduistički idol pravno gledano osoba,

that a mosque was a legal person.

da je džamija pravno gledano osoba.

In 2000, the Indian Supreme Court

Godine 2000. indijski Vrhovni sud

held that the holy books of the Sikh religion was a legal person,

smatrao je da su svete knjige religije sikizam pravno gledano osoba,

and in 2012, just recently,

a 2012. godine, znači nedavno,

there was a treaty between the indigenous peoples of New Zealand

postignut je sporazum između domorodaca Novog Zelanda i Krune,

and the crown, in which it was agreed that a river was a legal person

u kome je zaključeno da je reka pravno gledano osoba

who owned its own riverbed.

koja poseduje sopstveno rečno korito.

Now, I read Peter Singer's book in 1980,

E, sad, pročitao sam knjigu Pitera Singera 1980. godine,

when I had a full head of lush, brown hair,

kada sam imao bujnu smeđu kosu,

i zaista me je dirnula.

and indeed I was moved by it,

because I had become a lawyer because I wanted to speak for the voiceless,

Postao sam advokat jer sam hteo da govorim u ime onih koji ćute,

defend the defenseless,

da zaštitim nezaštićene,

and I'd never realized how voiceless and defenseless the trillions,

a nikad nisam shvatio koliko je biliona i milijardi nečovekolikih životinja

billions of nonhuman animals are.

koje su bespomoćne i ne govore.

And I began to work as an animal protection lawyer.

Tako sam počeo da radim kao zaštitnik prava životinja.

And by 1985, I realized that I was trying to accomplish something

Do 1985. godine shvatio sam da sam pokušavao da postignem

that was literally impossible,

nešto što je bukvalno nemoguće,

the reason being that all of my clients,

zato što su svi moji klijenti,

all the animals whose interests I was trying to defend,

sve životinje čije sam interese pokušavao da zaštitim,

were legal things; they were invisible.

bili predmeti; bili su nevidljivi.

It was not going to work, so I decided

Nije funkcionisalo, pa sam odlučio

that the only thing that was going to work was they had, at least some of them,

da ono što će jedino funkcionisati biti da ih, bar neke od njih,

had to also be moved through a hole that we could open up again in that wall

provučemo kroz rupu koju smo ponovo mogli otvoriti u tom zidu

and begin feeding the appropriate nonhuman animals through that hole

i početi da hranimo odgovarajuće nečovekolike životinje kroz tu rupu

onto the other side of being legal persons.

sa druge strane, koji su pravno gledano osobe.

Now, at that time, there was very little known about or spoken about

U to vreme, bilo je vrlo malo poznato i malo se govorilo

truly animal rights,

istinski o životinjskim pravima,

about the idea of having legal personhood or legal rights for a nonhuman animal,

o ideji posedovanja zakonske ličnosti ili prava za nečovekoliku životinju,

and I knew it was going to take a long time.

i znao sam da će za to trebati dosta vremena.

Tako, 1985. godine, shvatio sam da će trebati oko 30 godina

And so, in 1985, I figured that it would take about 30 years

before we'd be able to even begin a strategic litigation,

pre nego što budemo mogli i da započnemo stratešku parnicu,

long-term campaign, in order to be able to punch another hole through that wall.

dugoročnu kampanju, kako bismo mogli da probušimo još jednu rupu u tom zidu.

It turned out that I was pessimistic, that it only took 28.

Ispalo je da sam bio pesimista; trebalo je samo 28 godina.

So what we had to do in order to begin was not only

Ono što smo morali da uradimo kako bismo počeli nije bilo samo

to write law review articles and teach classes, write books,

da napišemo članke o predlozima zakona i podučavamo, pišemo knjige,

but we had to then begin to get down to the nuts and bolts

već smo morali da krenemo od Kulina bana

of how you litigate that kind of case.

kako se parniči takva vrsta slučaja.

So one of the first things we needed to do was figure out what a cause of action was,

Jedna od prvih stvari koju je trebalo uraditi je shvatiti uzrok delovanja,

a legal cause of action.

pravni uzrok delovanja.

And a legal cause of action is a vehicle that lawyers use

A pravni uzrok delovanja je pokretač koji advokati koriste

to put their arguments in front of courts.

da svoje argumente stave pred sud.

It turns out there's a very interesting case

Ispalo je da postoji vrlo zanimljiv slučaj

that had occurred almost 250 years ago in London called Somerset vs. Stewart,

koji se dogodio pre skoro 250 godina u Londonu, „Somerset protiv Stjuarta“,

whereby a black slave had used the legal system

gde je rob crnac morao da upotrebi pravni sistem

and had moved from a legal thing to a legal person.

i promenio svoj status predmeta u status osobe.

I was so interested in it that I eventually wrote an entire book about it.

To me je toliko zanimalo da sam na kraju napisao čitavu knjigu o tome.

James Somerset was an eight-year-old boy when he was kidnapped from West Africa.

Džejms Somerset bio je osmogodišnjak kada je kidnapovan iz zapadne Afrike.

He survived the Middle Passage,

Preživeo je Srednji prelaz

and he was sold to a Scottish businessman named Charles Stewart in Virginia.

i prodat je jednom škotskom biznismenu, Čarlsu Stjuartu, u Virdžiniji.

Now, 20 years later, Stewart brought James Somerset to London,

Onda, 20 godina posle, Stjuart je doveo Džejmsa Somerseta u London,

and after he got there, James decided he was going to escape.

i nakon što je stigao tamo, Džejms je odlučio da će pobeći.

And so one of the first things he did was to get himself baptized,

Tako je jedna od prvih stvari koju je uradio bila da se krsti,

because he wanted to get a set of godparents,

zato što je želeo da dobije kumove,

because to an 18th-century slave,

jer je rob u 18. veku znao

they knew that one of the major responsibilities of godfathers

da je jedna od glavnih odgovornosti kumova

was to help you escape.

da ti pomognu u bežanju.

And so in the fall of 1771,

I tako je u jesen 1771. godine

James Somerset had a confrontation with Charles Stewart.

Džejms Somerset imao sukob sa Čarlsom Stjuartom.

We don't know exactly what happened, but then James dropped out of sight.

Ne znamo tačno šta se desilo, ali je onda Džejms nestao bez traga.

An enraged Charles Stewart then hired slave catchers

Besni Čarls Stjuart je onda unajmio ljude koji su hvatali robove

to canvass the city of London,

da prevrnu London naopačke

da ga pronađu i, ne da ga vrate Čarlsu Stjuartu,

find him, bring him not back to Charles Stewart,

but to a ship, the Ann and Mary, that was floating in London Harbour,

već na brod „Anu i Mariju“, koji se nalazio u londonskoj luci,

and he was chained to the deck,

i bio je okovan lancima za palubu,

and the ship was to set sail for Jamaica

a brod je trebalo da otplovi za Jamajku

where James was to be sold in the slave markets

gde bi Džejms bio prodat na pijacama za robove

and be doomed to the three to five years of life that a slave had

i bio osuđen na tri do pet godina života kao rob

u žetvi šećerne trske na Jamajci.

harvesting sugar cane in Jamaica.

Sad su Džejmsovi kumovi stupili na scenu.

Well now James' godparents swung into action.

They approached the most powerful judge,

Došli su do najmoćnijeg sudije,

Lord Mansfield, who was chief judge of the court of King's Bench,

lorda Mensfilda, glavnog sudije u Kraljičinom sudu,

and they demanded that he issue a common law writ of habeus corpus

i zahtevali su od njega da izda sudski nalog habeas korpus po opštem pravu

on behalf of James Somerset.

na ime Džejmsa Somerseta.

Now, the common law is the kind of law that English-speaking judges can make

E, sad, opšte pravo je vrsta zakona koji sudije iz engleskog govornog područja

when they're not cabined in by statutes or constitutions,

mogu da primene kada ih ne ograničavaju statuti ili ustavi,

a sudski nalog habeas korpus je Vrhovni sudski nalog.

and a writ of habeus corpus is called the Great Writ,

capital G, capital W,

sa velikim početnim slovom,

and it's meant to protect any of us who are detained against our will.

a njegova uloga je da zaštiti svakoga ko je zatočen protiv svoje volje.

A writ of habeus corpus is issued.

Sudski nalog habeas korpus se izdaje.

The detainer is required to bring the detainee in

Onaj koji drži lice u zatočeništvu je dužan da ga preda

and give a legally sufficient reason for depriving him of his bodily liberty.

i sa dovoljno argumenata obrazloži razlog oduzimanja slobode.

Well, Lord Mansfield had to make a decision right off the bat,

E, pa, lord Mensfild je morao smesta da donese odluku,

because if James Somerset was a legal thing,

jer je Džejms Somerset zakonski gledano predmet;

he was not eligible for a writ of habeus corpus,

na njega nije mogao da se primeni habeas korpus,

only if he could be a legal person.

već jedino ako on pravno postane osoba.

So Lord Mansfield decided that he would assume,

Tako je lord Mensfild odlučio da će pretpostaviti,

without deciding, that James Somerset was indeed a legal person,

bez odlučivanja, da je Džejms Somerset zakonski gledano zapravo osoba,

and he issued the writ of habeus corpus, and James's body was brought in

i izdao je nalog habeas korpus,

a Džejmsovo telo je vratio kapetan broda.

by the captain of the ship.

There were a series of hearings over the next six months.

Usledio je niz saslušanja u narednih šest meseci.

On June 22, 1772, Lord Mansfield said that slavery was so odious,

Lord Mensfild je 22. juna 1772. godine izjavio da je ropstvo toliko ogavno,

and he used the word "odious,"

a upotrebio je reč „ogavno“,

that the common law would not support it, and he ordered James free.

da ga opšte pravo neće podržati, i proglasio je Džejmsa slobodnim.

At that moment, James Somerset underwent a legal transubstantiation.

U tom trenutku, Džejms Somerset podlegao je zakonskoj transsupstanciji.

The free man who walked out of the courtroom

Slobodan čovek koji je izašao iz sudnice

looked exactly like the slave who had walked in,

izgledao je potpuno isto kao rob koji je ušao,

but as far as the law was concerned, they had nothing whatsoever in common.

ali što se zakona tiče, njih dvojica nisu imali ništa zajedničko.

The next thing we did is that the Nonhuman Rights Project,

Sledeće što smo uradili je projekat „Prava za ne-ljude“,

which I founded, then began to look at what kind of values and principles

koji sam ja pokrenuo

i onda počeo da gledam kakve vrednosti i principe želimo da izložimo sudijama.

do we want to put before the judges?

What values and principles did they imbibe with their mother's milk,

Kojim vrednostima i principima su oni zadojeni,

were they taught in law school, do they use every day,

da li su išli na Pravni fakultet, da li koriste svaki dan,

do they believe with all their hearts -- and we chose liberty and equality.

da li svim srcem veruju - i mi smo odabrali slobodu i jednakost.

Now, liberty right is the kind of right to which you're entitled

E, sad, pravo na slobodu je vrsta prava koja vam je data

because of how you're put together,

zbog toga što ste tako sačinjeni,

i osnovno pravo na slobodu štiti osnovne interese.

and a fundamental liberty right protects a fundamental interest.

And the supreme interest in the common law

A najveći interes u opštem pravu

are the rights to autonomy and self-determination.

su pravo na autonomiju i samoodlučivanje.

So they are so powerful that in a common law country,

Oni su tako moćni da u državi gde je na snazi opšte pravo,

if you go to a hospital and you refuse life-saving medical treatment,

ako odete u bolnicu i odbijete medicinsku negu koja bi vam spasila život,

a judge will not order it forced upon you,

sudija neće naložiti da vas okrive,

because they will respect your self-determination and your autonomy.

zato što će poštovati vaše samoodlučivanje i autonomiju.

Now, an equality right is the kind of right to which you're entitled

E, sad, pravo na jednakost je vrsta prava koja vam je data

because you resemble someone else in a relevant way,

zato što ličite na nekog drugog na određen način,

a tu je začkoljica, u određenom načinu.

and there's the rub, relevant way.

So if you are that, then because they have the right, you're like them,

Tako da ako ste to, onda zato što oni imaju pravo, vi ste poput njih,

you're entitled to the right.

zagarantovano vam je pravo.

Now, courts and legislatures draw lines all the time.

Sudovi i zakonodavstvo podvlače crtu sve vreme.

Some are included, some are excluded.

Neki se nađu iznad, neki ispod.

But you have to, at the bare minimum you must --

Međutim, vi morate da, makar minimum minimima, morate -

that line has to be a reasonable means to a legitimate end.

ta crta mora da bude razumno sredstvo legitimnom cilju.

The Nonhuman Rights Project argues that drawing a line

Projekat „Prava za ne-ljude“ zalaže se da povlačenje te crte

in order to enslave an autonomous and self-determining being

da bi se zarobilo autonomno i samoodlučujuće biće,

like you're seeing behind me,

poput ovog što vidite iza mene,

that that's a violation of equality.

predstavlja ugrožavanje jednakosti.

We then searched through 80 jurisdictions,

Onda smo istraživali 80 jurisdikcija.

it took us seven years, to find the jurisdiction

Trebalo nam je sedam godina da nađemo jurisdikciju

where we wanted to begin filing our first suit.

gde smo želeli da podnesemo prvu tužbu.

We chose the state of New York.

Izabrali smo državu Njujork.

Then we decided upon who our plaintiffs are going to be.

Potom smo odlučili ko će nam biti tužioci.

We decided upon chimpanzees,

Odlučili smo se za šimpanze,

not just because Jane Goodall was on our board of directors,

ne samo zato što je Džejn Gudol bila u našem odboru direktora,

but because they, Jane and others,

već zato što su oni, Džejn i ostali,

have studied chimpanzees intensively for decades.

intenzivno proučavali šimpanze decenijama.

We know the extraordinary cognitive capabilities that they have,

Poznate su nam izvanredne kognitivne sposobnosti koje imaju,

and they also resemble the kind that human beings have.

a one takođe liče na one koje imaju ljudska bića.

And so we chose chimpanzees, and we began to then canvass the world

Tako smo odabrali šimpanze i počeli smo da tražimo širom sveta

to find the experts in chimpanzee cognition.

kako bismo našli stručnjake za kogniciju kod šimpanzi.

We found them in Japan, Sweden, Germany, Scotland, England and the United States,

Našli smo ih u Japanu, Švedskoj, Nemačkoj, Škotskoj, Engleskoj i SAD-u,

and amongst them, they wrote 100 pages of affidavits

a oni su napisali 100 strana iskaza

in which they set out more than 40 ways

u kojima su na više od 40 načina izneli

in which their complex cognitive capability,

kako su njihove kompleksne kognitivne sposobnosti,

either individually or together,

bilo individualno ili zajedno,

all added up to autonomy and self-determination.

sve pripisane autonomiji i samoodlučivanju.

Now, these included, for example, that they were conscious.

Uzevši ovo u obzir, primera radi, one su svesne,

But they're also conscious that they're conscious.

ali su one, takođe, svesne da su svesne.

They know they have a mind. They know that others have minds.

One znaju da imaju um. One znaju da drugi imaju um.

One znaju da su individue i da mogu da žive.

They know they're individuals, and that they can live.

They understand that they lived yesterday and they will live tomorrow.

Razumeju da su živele juče i da će živeti sutra.

They engage in mental time travel. They remember what happened yesterday.

Mogu mentalno da putuju kroz vreme. Pamte šta je bilo juče.

One mogu predvideti sutra,

They can anticipate tomorrow,

which is why it's so terrible to imprison a chimpanzee, especially alone.

zbog čega je tako strašno zatočiti šimpanzu, pogotovu samu.

It's the thing that we do to our worst criminals,

To je nešto što radimo najgorim kriminalcima,

and we do that to chimpanzees without even thinking about it.

a to radimo i šimpanzama, a čak i ne razmišljamo o tome.

They have some kind of moral capacity.

One imaju neku vrstu moralnog kapaciteta.

When they play economic games with human beings,

Kada se igraju ekonomskih igara sa ljudskim bićima,

one spontano prave fer ponude, iako se to od njih ne zahteva.

they'll spontaneously make fair offers, even when they're not required to do so.

They are numerate. They understand numbers.

One znaju brojeve. One razumeju brojeve.

They can do some simple math.

One rade prostu matematiku.

They can engage in language -- or to stay out of the language wars,

One se uključuju u jezik ili ostaju izvan jezičkih ratova,

they're involved in intentional and referential communication

uključuju se u namernu i referentnu komunikaciju

in which they pay attention to the attitudes of those

u kojoj obraćaju pažnju na stavove onih sa kojima razgovaraju.

with whom they are speaking.

They have culture.

One imaju kulturu.

They have a material culture, a social culture.

One imaju materijalnu kulturu, socijalnu kulturu.

They have a symbolic culture.

Imaju kulturu simbola.

Scientists in the Taï Forests in the Ivory Coast

Naučnici u šumama Tai na Obali Slonovače

found chimpanzees who were using these rocks to smash open

pronašli su šimpanze koje su koristile kamen

kako bi razbile neverovatno tvrdu opnu oraha.

the incredibly hard hulls of nuts.

It takes a long time to learn how to do that,

Potrebno je mnogo vremena da se to nauči,

and they excavated the area and they found

a oni su istraživali ovu oblast

i otkrili da je ova materijalna kultura, da je ovakvo ponašanje,

that this material culture, this way of doing it,

these rocks, had passed down for at least 4,300 years

ovo kamenje, prelazilo sa generacije na generaciju najmanje 4 300 godina

through 225 chimpanzee generations.

kroz 225 generacija šimpanzi.

So now we needed to find our chimpanzee.

Sad je trebalo da pronađemo naše šimpanze.

Our chimpanzee,

Naše šimpanze -

prvo smo dve pronašli u državi Njujork.

first we found two of them in the state of New York.

Both of them would die before we could even get our suits filed.

Obe će uginuti čak i pre nego što smo uspeli da podnesemo tužbu.

Then we found Tommy.

Onda smo našli Tomija.

Tommy is a chimpanzee. You see him behind me.

Tomi je šimpanza. Vidite ga iza mene.

Tommy was a chimpanzee. We found him in that cage.

Tomi je bio šimpanza. Pronašli smo ga u tom kavezu.

We found him in a small room that was filled with cages

Našli smo ga u maloj prostoriji koja je bila puna kaveza

in a larger warehouse structure on a used trailer lot in central New York.

u velikom skladištu na parkingu za prikolice u centralnom Njujorku.

We found Kiko, who is partially deaf.

Pronašli smo Kiko, koja je nagluva.

Kiko was in the back of a cement storefront in western Massachusetts.

Kiko je bila u zadnjem delu betonske zgrade u zapadnom Masačusetsu.

And we found Hercules and Leo.

Pronašli smo i Herkula i Lea.

They're two young male chimpanzees

Oni su dva mlada mužjaka šimpanze.

who are being used for biomedical, anatomical research at Stony Brook.

Koriste se za biomedicinska, anatomska istraživanja na Stouni Bruku.

We found them.

Pronašli smo ih.

And so on the last week of December 2013,

I tako, poslednje nedelje decembra 2013. godine,

the Nonhuman Rights Project filed three suits all across the state of New York

Projekat „Prava za ne-ljude“ podneo je tri tužbe širom države Njujork

using the same common law writ of habeus corpus argument

koristeći isti sudski nalog habeas korpus opšteg prava

that had been used with James Somerset,

korišćen u slučaju Džejmsa Somerseta.

and we demanded that the judges issue these common law writs of habeus corpus.

Tražili smo da sudije izdaju tri naloga habeas korpus opšteg prava.

We wanted the chimpanzees out,

Želeli smo da oslobodimo šimpanze,

and we wanted them brought to Save the Chimps,

i želeli smo da ih dovedemo u „Spasimo šimpanze“,

a tremendous chimpanzee sanctuary in South Florida

sjajno utočište za šimpanze u južnoj Floridi,

which involves an artificial lake with 12 or 13 islands --

u kome postoji veštačko jezero sa 12 ili 13 ostrva -

there are two or three acres where two dozen chimpanzees live

imaju dva ili tri ara gde 24 šimpanze žive

on each of them.

na svakom od njih.

And these chimpanzees would then live the life of a chimpanzee,

I ove šimpanze bi onda živele život šimpanzi,

sa drugim šimpanzama u okruženju koje je maksimalno nalik Africi.

with other chimpanzees in an environment that was as close to Africa as possible.

Now, all these cases are still going on.

Svi ovi slučajevi su i dalje u toku.

We have not yet run into our Lord Mansfield.

Još nismo naišli na našeg lorda Mensfilda.

We shall. We shall.

Ali hoćemo. Hoćemo.

Ovo je dugoročna strateška parnička kampanja. I hoćemo.

This is a long-term strategic litigation campaign. We shall.

And to quote Winston Churchill,

Da citiram Vinstona Čerčila,

the way we view our cases is that they're not the end,

način na koji gledamo na naše slučajeve je da oni nisu kraj,

they're not even the beginning of the end,

oni nisu čak ni početak kraja,

but they are perhaps the end of the beginning.

ali su zato možda kraj početka.

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

(Aplauz)

(Applause)