Karen Armstrong: 2008 TED Prize wish: Charter for Compassion

Prevodilac: Ivana Krivokuća Lektor: Tijana Mihajlović

Well, this is such an honor. And it's wonderful to be

Ovo je velika čast.

Sjajno je biti u prisustvu organizacije

in the presence of an organization that is really making a difference in the world.

koja zaista donosi promene u svetu.

And I'm intensely grateful for the opportunity to speak to you today.

Jako sam zahvalna zbog prilike da danas govorim pred vama.

And I'm also rather surprised, because when I look back on my life

Takođe sam prilično iznenađena, jer kada se osvrnem na svoj život,

the last thing I ever wanted to do was write, or be in any way involved in religion.

poslednje što sam ikada htela je da pišem

ili se na neki drugi način bavim religijom.

After I left my convent, I'd finished with religion, frankly.

Nakon što sam napustila manastir, završila sam sa religijom, iskreno.

I thought that was it.

Mislila sam da je gotovo.

And for 13 years I kept clear of it. I wanted to be an English literature professor.

Trinaest godina sam se držala podalje od toga.

Htela sam da budem profesor engleske književnosti.

And I certainly didn't even want to be a writer, particularly.

Svakako nisam naročito želela ni da budem pisac.

But then I suffered a series of career catastrophes,

Međutim, potom sam pretrpela niz katastrofa u karijeri, jednu za drugom,

one after the other, and finally found myself in television. (Laughter)

i najzad se našla na televiziji.

(Smeh)

Rekla sam to Bilu Mojersu, a on je rekao: „O, mi svakog prihvatamo.“ (Smeh)

I said that to Bill Moyers, and he said, "Oh, we take anybody." (Laughter)

And I was doing some rather controversial religious programs.

Vodila sam neke religijske programe koji su bili prilično kontroverzni.

This went down very well in the U.K., where religion is extremely unpopular.

To je vrlo dobro prošlo u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu,

gde je religija izuzetno nepopularna.

And so, for once, for the only time in my life, I was finally in the mainstream.

Tako sam prvi put, jedini put u životu, konačno pripadala glavnoj struji.

But I got sent to Jerusalem to make a film about early Christianity.

Međutim, poslali su me u Jerusalim da snimam film o ranom hrišćanstvu.

And there, for the first time, I encountered the other religious traditions:

Tamo sam se prvi put susrela sa tradicijama drugih religija,

Judaism and Islam, the sister religions of Christianity.

judaizmom i islamom, sestrinskim religijama hrišćanstva.

And while I found I knew nothing about these faiths at all --

Otkrila sam da ništa nisam znala o ovim verama,

despite my own intensely religious background,

uprkos mojoj duboko religioznoj prošlosti;

I'd seen Judaism only as a kind of prelude to Christianity,

doživljavala sam judaizam samo kao neku vrstu uvoda u hrišćanstvo,

and I knew nothing about Islam at all.

a o islamu baš ništa nisam znala.

But in that city, that tortured city,

Međutim, u tom gradu, u tom izmučenom gradu,

where you see the three faiths jostling so uneasily together,

gde vidite kako se tri vere nelagodno gurkaju uzajamno,

you also become aware of the profound connection between them.

takođe postajete svesni duboke povezanosti među njima.

And it has been the study of other religious traditions that brought me back

Upravo me je izučavanje drugih religija vratilo na neki način

to a sense of what religion can be, and actually enabled me

onome što religija može biti, zapravo mi omogućivši

to look at my own faith in a different light.

da sagledam svoju veru u drugačijem svetlu.

And I found some astonishing things in the course of my study

Otkrila sam neke iznenađujuće stvari za vreme svog izučavanja

that had never occurred to me. Frankly, in the days when I thought I'd had it with religion,

koje mi nikad nisu pale na pamet.

Iskreno, u danima kada sam mislila da sam završila sa religijom,

I just found the whole thing absolutely incredible.

prosto sam smatrala da je cela stvar apsolutno neverovatna.

These doctrines seemed unproven, abstract.

Te doktrine su mi izgledale kao nedokazane, apstraktne.

And to my astonishment, when I began seriously studying other traditions,

Na moje zaprepašćenje, kada sam počela da ozbiljno proučavam druge tradicije,

I began to realize that belief -- which we make such a fuss about today --

počela sam da shvatam da je verovanje, oko kojeg danas pravimo toliko galame,

is only a very recent religious enthusiasm

tek nedavni religijski entuzijazam.

that surfaced only in the West, in about the 17th century.

Pojavio se samo na Zapadu oko 17. veka.

The word "belief" itself originally meant to love, to prize, to hold dear.

Sama reč „vera“ prvobitno je značila voleti,

visoko ceniti, smatrati nešto dragim.

In the 17th century, it narrowed its focus,

U 17. veku je suzila svoj fokus,

for reasons that I'm exploring in a book I'm writing at the moment,

iz razloga koje istražujem u knjizi koju trenutno pišem,

to include -- to mean an intellectual assent to a set of propositions, a credo.

da bi označila

intelektualni pristanak na skup tvrdnji.

„Credo“ ili „verujem“ nije značilo:

"I believe:" it did not mean, "I accept certain creedal articles of faith."

„Prihvatam određene dogmatske navode vere.“

It meant: "I commit myself. I engage myself."

Značilo je: „Posvećujem sebe. Angažujem se.“

Indeed, some of the world traditions think very little of religious orthodoxy.

Zaista, neke svetske tradicije nemaju dobro mišljenje o verskoj ortodoksiji.

In the Quran, religious opinion -- religious orthodoxy -- is dismissed as "zanna:"

U Kuranu se versko mišljenje, verska ortodoksija, odbacuje kao „zana“,

self-indulgent guesswork about matters that nobody can be certain of one way or the other,

samopovlađujuća nagađanja o pitanjima

kod kojih niko ne može biti siguran da li je ovako ili onako,

but which makes people quarrelsome and stupidly sectarian. (Laughter)

ali navode ljude da se svađaju i budu glupavo sektaški nastrojeni. (Smeh)

So if religion is not about believing things, what is it about?

Dakle, ako religija nije verovanje u stvari, šta ona jeste?

What I've found, across the board, is that religion is about behaving differently.

Otkrila sam kroz sve verske zajednice

da religija podrazumeva ponašati se drugačije.

Instead of deciding whether or not you believe in God, first you do something.

Umesto odlučivanja da li verujete u boga ili ne, vi najpre uradite nešto.

Ponašate se posvećeno,

You behave in a committed way,

and then you begin to understand the truths of religion.

a zatim počinjete da razumete istine religije.

And religious doctrines are meant to be summons to action;

Verske doktrine imaju za cilj da pozivaju na akciju;

you only understand them when you put them into practice.

razumete ih tek kada ih primenite.

Now, pride of place in this practice is given to compassion.

Posebno mesto u toj praksi se daje saosećanju.

And it is an arresting fact that right across the board,

Privlači pažnju činjenica da celim opsegom,

in every single one of the major world faiths, compassion --

u svakoj većoj svetskoj veri, saosećanje,

the ability to feel with the other in the way we've been thinking about this evening --

sposobnost da osećamo sa drugima

na način na koji smo večeras o tome razmišljali,

is not only the test of any true religiosity, it is also what will bring us

nije samo provera istinske religioznosti, već će nas takođe dovesti

into the presence of what Jews, Christians and Muslims call "God" or the "Divine."

u prisustvo onog što Jevreji, hrišćani i muslimani nazivaju „bog“ ili „božansko“.

It is compassion, says the Buddha, which brings you to Nirvana.

Buda kaže da je saosećanje ono što nas vodi do nirvane.

Why? Because in compassion, when we feel with the other,

Zašto? Jer kroz saosećanje, kada osećamo sa drugim,

we dethrone ourselves from the center of our world and we put

svrgavamo sebe sa prestola u centru našeg sveta

i postavljamo drugu osobu tamo,

another person there. And once we get rid of ego, then we're ready to see the Divine.

a kada se otarasimo ega, spremni smo da vidimo božansko.

And in particular, every single one of the major world traditions has highlighted -- has said --

Pogotovo, svaka veća svetska tradicija naglašavala je,

and put at the core of their tradition what's become known as the Golden Rule.

stavljajući u središte svoje tradicije ono što je poznato kao zlatno pravilo.

First propounded by Confucius five centuries before Christ:

Prvi put ga je izneo Konfučije pet vekova pre Hrista:

"Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you."

„Ne čini drugima ono što ne želiš da oni urade tebi.“

That, he said, was the central thread which ran through all his teaching

To je, kako je rekao,

središna nit koja se provlačila kroz celo njegovo učenje

and that his disciples should put into practice all day and every day.

i da bi njegovi sledbenici trebalo da je primenjuju po ceo dan svakog dana.

And it was -- the Golden Rule would bring them to the transcendent value that he called "ren,"

Zlatno pravilo bi ih dovelo do transcendentalne vrline

koju je zvao „ren“, čovečna ljubav,

human-heartedness, which was a transcendent experience in itself.

koja sama po sebi predstavlja transcendentalno iskustvo.

And this is absolutely crucial to the monotheisms, too.

Ovo je i za monoteizme od apsolutno suštinskog značaja.

Postoji poznata priča o velikom rabinu Hilelu, starijem Isusovom savremeniku.

There's a famous story about the great rabbi, Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus.

A pagan came to him and offered to convert to Judaism if the rabbi could

Pagan je došao kod njega i ponudio da se preobrati u judaizam

ako bi rabin mogao da izdeklamuje čitavo jevrejsko učenje

recite the whole of Jewish teaching while he stood on one leg.

dok stoji na jednoj nozi.

Hillel stood on one leg and said, "That which is hateful to you,

Hilel je stajao na jednoj nozi i rekao:

„Ono što ti je mrsko, ne čini bližnjem svom.

do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. The rest is commentary.

To je Tora. Sve ostalo su komentari.

Go and study it." (Laughter)

Idi i izučavaj je.“ (Smeh)

And "go and study it" was what he meant.

Baš to „idi i izučavaj je“ je i mislio.

He said, "In your exegesis, you must make it clear

Rekao je: „Prilikom tumačenja, mora ti biti jasno

that every single verse of the Torah is a commentary, a gloss upon the Golden Rule."

da je svaki stih Tore komentar, beleška vezana za zlatno pravilo.“

The great Rabbi Meir said that any interpretation of Scripture which

Veliki rabin Mejir je rekao da je svako tumačenje svetih spisa

led to hatred and disdain, or contempt of other people --

koje dovodi do mržnje, nipodaštavanja ili prezira prema drugim ljudima -

any people whatsoever -- was illegitimate.

bilo kojim ljudima - nedopustivo.

Saint Augustine made exactly the same point.

Sv. Avgustin je istakao upravo istu stvar.

Scripture, he says, "teaches nothing but charity, and we must not leave

Sveto pismo, rekao je,

„uči isključivo dobročinstvu i ne smemo odustati od tumačenja spisa

an interpretation of Scripture until we have found a compassionate interpretation of it."

sve dok ne budemo došli do saosećajne interpretacije.“

And this struggle to find compassion in some of these rather rebarbative texts

Ova borba za pronalaženje saosećanja u nekim od ovih prilično odbojnih tekstova

is a good dress rehearsal for doing the same in ordinary life. (Applause)

je dobra proba za činjenje istih stvari u svakodnevnom životu. (Aplauz)

But now look at our world. And we are living in a world that is --

Pogledajmo sada naš svet.

Živimo u svetu u kome se religija nasilno prisvaja,

where religion has been hijacked. Where terrorists cite Quranic verses to justify their atrocities.

u kome teroristi citiraju stihove Kurana da bi opravdali svoje zločine,

Where instead of taking Jesus' words, "Love your enemies.

u kome, umesto usvajanja Isusovih reči

„Volite svoje neprijatelje. Ne sudite drugima“,

Don't judge others," we have the spectacle of Christians endlessly judging other people,

imamo prikaz hrišćana koji beskrajno sude drugima,

endlessly using Scripture as a way of arguing with other people,

beskrajno koristeći Sveto pismo kao način raspravljanja sa drugima,

putting other people down. Throughout the ages, religion has been used to oppress others,

kritikovanja drugih ljudi.

Vekovima je religija korišćena za ugnjetavanje drugih,

and this is because of human ego, human greed.

a to je zbog ljudskog ega, ljudske pohlepe.

We have a talent as a species for messing up wonderful things.

Kao vrsta posedujemo talenat za upropašćavanje predivnih stvari.

So the traditions also insisted -- and this is an important point, I think --

Tradicije su takođe insistirale - a ovo je važno istaći, po mom mišljenju -

that you could not and must not confine your compassion

da ne možete i ne smete ograničiti svoje saosećanje

to your own group: your own nation, your own co-religionists,

na sopstvenu grupu - svoj narod, pripadnike svoje religije, svoje zemljake.

your own fellow countrymen. You must have what one of the Chinese sages called "jian ai":

Morate imati ono što je jedan kineski mudrac

nazivao „jian aji“, brigu za svakoga.

concern for everybody. Love your enemies. Honor the stranger.

Volite svoje neprijatelje. Poštujte stranca.

We formed you, says the Quran, into tribes and nations so that you may know one another.

„Učinili smo vas“, kaže Kuran, „narodima i plemenima

da biste se bolje međusobno poznavali.“

And this, again -- this universal outreach -- is getting subdued in the strident use of religion --

Još jednom, ovo univerzalno dosezanje

ograničeno je kroz strogo sprovođenje religije,

abuse of religion -- for nefarious gains.

njenom zloupotrebom, zarad bezočnog izvlačenja koristi.

Now, I've lost count of the number of taxi drivers who,

Prestala sam da brojim vozače taksija koji mi,

when I say to them what I do for a living, inform me that religion

kada im kažem čime se bavim,

saopšte da je religija bila uzrok svih većih svetskih ratova u istoriji.

has been the cause of all the major world wars in history. Wrong.

Pogrešno.

The causes of our present woes are political.

Uzroci naših sadašnjih nevolja su politički.

But, make no mistake about it, religion is a kind of fault line,

Ipak, možemo sa sigurnošću reći

da religija jeste neka vrsta linije raskola,

a kada se sukob ukoreni u nekoj oblasti,

and when a conflict gets ingrained in a region, religion can get sucked in

religija može biti uvučena i postati deo problema.

and become part of the problem. Our modernity has been exceedingly violent.

Naše moderno doba je bilo izrazito nasilno.

Between 1914 and 1945, 70 million people died in Europe alone as a result of armed conflict.

Između 1914. i 1945. godine,

70 miliona ljudi umrlo je samo u Evropi, kao rezultat oružanog sukoba.

And so many of our institutions, even football, which used to be a pleasant pastime,

Toliko naših institucija, pa čak i fudbal, koji je ranije bio prijatna razonoda,

now causes riots where people even die.

sada dovodi do nereda u kojima ljudi čak i umiru.

And it's not surprising that religion, too, has been affected by this violent ethos.

Ne iznenađuje da je i na religiju uticao taj nasilni etos.

There's also a great deal, I think, of religious illiteracy around.

Takođe postoji mnogo, čini mi se, religijske nepismenosti oko nas.

Izgleda da ljudi sada izjednačavaju religijsku veru sa verovanjem u stvari.

People seem to think, now equate religious faith with believing things.

As though that -- we call religious people often believers,

Religiozne ljude često nazivamo vernicima,

as though that were the main thing that they do. And very often, secondary goals

kao da je to glavna stvar koju rade.

Vrlo često sekundarni ciljevi budu izgurani na prvo mesto,

get pushed into the first place, in place of compassion and the Golden Rule.

na mesto saosećanja i zlatnog pravila,

Because the Golden Rule is difficult. I sometimes -- when I'm speaking to

jer je zlatno pravilo teško.

Ponekad, kada govorim pred kongregacijama o saosećanju,

congregations about compassion, I sometimes see

a mutinous expression crossing some of their faces because

povremeno vidim pobunjenički izraz na nekim od njihovih lica

jer mnogo religioznih ljudi bi radije da budu u pravu

a lot of religious people prefer to be right, rather than compassionate. (Laughter)

nego da budu saosećajni. (Smeh)

Now -- but that's not the whole story.

To nije cela priča.

Since September the 11th, when my work on Islam suddenly propelled me

Od 11. septembra,

kada me je moj rad vezan za islam iznenada izbacio u javni život

into public life, in a way that I'd never imagined, I've been able to sort of go all over the world,

na način na koji nikada nisam ni pomišljala,

mogla sam da idem svuda po svetu

and finding, everywhere I go, a yearning for change.

i pronalazila sam, gde god da sam otišla, žudnju za promenom.

I've just come back from Pakistan, where literally thousands of people came to my lectures,

Upravo sam se vratila iz Pakistana,

gde je bukvalno na hiljade ljudi došlo na moja predavanja

because they were yearning, first of all, to hear a friendly Western voice.

jer su žudeli, pre svega, da čuju prijateljski zapadnjački glas.

And especially the young people were coming. And were asking me --

Naročito su dolazili mladi ljudi.

Pitali su me, mladi ljudi su govorili:

the young people were saying, "What can we do? What can we do to change things?"

„Šta možemo da učinimo? Šta možemo uraditi da bismo promenili stvari?“

And my hosts in Pakistan said, "Look, don't be too polite to us.

Moji domaćini u Pakistanu su rekli:

„Vidite, nemojte biti previše fini prema nama.

Tell us where we're going wrong. Let's talk together about where religion is failing."

Recite nam u čemu grešimo.

Hajde da zajedno razgovaramo o tome u čemu je neuspeh religije.“

Because it seems to me that with -- our current situation is so serious

Zato što mi se čini da je naša trenutna situacija

toliko ozbiljna u ovom momentu

at the moment that any ideology that doesn't promote a sense of global understanding

da bilo koja ideologija

koja ne podstiče smisao globalnog razumevanja

and global appreciation of each other is failing the test of the time.

i uzajamnog uvažavanja pada na testu vremena.

And religion, with its wide following ... Here in the United States,

A religija, sa toliko mnogo sledbenika...

Ovde, u Sjedinjenim Državama,

people may be being religious in a different way, as a report has just shown --

ljudi su možda religiozni na drugačiji način,

kako je izveštaj upravo pokazao, ali i dalje žele da budu religiozni.

but they still want to be religious. It's only Western Europe that has retained its secularism,

Samo Zapadna Evropa je zadržala svoj sekularizam,

which is now beginning to look rather endearingly old-fashioned.

koji sada počinje da izgleda prilično simpatično staromodno.

But people want to be religious, and religion should be made

Ipak, ljudi žele da budu religiozni,

a religija treba da bude pretvorena u silu za postizanje skladnosti na svetu,

to be a force for harmony in the world, which it can and should be --

što ona može i trebalo bi da bude, zbog zlatnog pravila

because of the Golden Rule.

"Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you":

„Nemojte činiti drugima ono što ne biste želeli da učine vama“,

an ethos that should now be applied globally.

etosa koji sada treba da se primenjuje na globalnom nivou.

We should not treat other nations as we would not wish to be treated ourselves.

Ne treba da se ophodimo prema drugim narodima

onako kako ne bismo sami želeli da se ophode prema nama.

And these -- whatever our wretched beliefs -- is a religious matter, it's a spiritual matter.

A ovo, kakva god da su naša žalosna verovanja,

je religijsko pitanje, to je duhovno pitanje.

It's a profound moral matter that engages and should engage us all.

To je duboko moralno pitanje

koje uključuje i treba da uključuje sve nas.

And as I say, there is a hunger for change out there.

I kako ja kažem, postoji glad za promenom.

Here in the United States, I think you see it in this election campaign: a longing for change.

Ovde u Sjedinjenim Državama, mislim da vidite

u ovoj izbornoj kampanji žudnju za promenom.

And people in churches all over and mosques all over this continent after September the 11th,

Ljudi u mnogim crkvama i džamijama širom ovog kontinenta

nakon 11. septembra udružuju se lokalno da bi stvorili mreže razumevanja,

coming together locally to create networks of understanding.

With the mosque, with the synagogue, saying, "We must start to speak to one another."

sa džamijom, sinagogom, govoreći:

„Moramo početi da razgovaramo jedni sa drugima.“

I think it's time that we moved beyond the idea of toleration and move toward appreciation of the other.

Mislim da je vreme da se udaljimo od ideje o toleranciji

i krenemo ka uvažavanju drugih.

I'd -- there's one story I'd just like to mention.

Htela bih da pomenem jednu priču.

This comes from "The Iliad." But it tells you what this spirituality should be.

Ovo je iz „Ilijade“, ali govori o tome šta bi duhovnost trebalo da bude.

You know the story of "The Iliad," the 10-year war between Greece and Troy.

Znate priču o „Ilijadi“, desetogodišnjem ratu između Grčke i Troje.

U jednoj situaciji, Ahil, čuveni grčki ratnik,

In one incident, Achilles, the famous warrior of Greece, takes his troops out of the war,

povlači svoju vojsku iz rata i čitav ratni trud trpi.

and the whole war effort suffers. And in the course of the ensuing muddle,

Za vreme posledične zbrke, njegov dragi prijatelj Patrokle je ubijen,

his beloved friend, Patroclus, is killed -- and killed in single combat

i to u borbi jedan na jedan ubio ga je trojanski princ Hektor.

by one of the Trojan princes, Hector. And Achilles goes mad with grief and rage and revenge,

Ahil poludi od tuge i besa i iz osvete unakazi telo.

and he mutilates the body. He kills Hector, he mutilates his body

Ubija Hektora, skrnavi njegovo telo

i zatim odbija da vrati telo porodici za sahranu,

and then he refuses to give the body back for burial to the family,

which means that, in Greek ethos, Hector's soul will wander eternally, lost.

što po grčkom etosu znači

da će Hektorova duša večno lutati izgubljena.

And then one night, Priam, king of Troy, an old man,

Zatim jedne noći Prijam, kralj Troje, starac, dođe tajno u grčki tabor

comes into the Greek camp incognito, makes his way to Achilles' tent

i stigne do Ahilovog šatora da bi zatražio telo svog sina.

to ask for the body of his son.

And everybody is shocked when the old man takes off his head covering and shows himself.

Svi su u šoku kada starac skine kapuljaču sa glave i pokaže se.

And Achilles looks at him and thinks of his father. And he starts to weep.

Ahil ga pogleda, pomisli na svog oca i počne da plače.

Prijam pogleda čoveka koji je ubio toliko njegovih sinova,

And Priam looks at the man who has murdered so many of his sons,

and he, too, starts to weep. And the sound of their weeping filled the house.

pa i on poče da lije suze.

Zvuk njihovog plača ispunio je kuću.

The Greeks believed that weeping together created a bond between people.

Grci su verovali da zajedničko plakanje stvara vezu među ljudima.

And then Achilles takes the body of Hector, he hands it very tenderly to the father,

Potom Ahil uzima telo Hektora i predaje ga ocu vrlo pažljivo;

and the two men look at each other, and see each other as divine.

ova dva čoveka se pogledaju i vide jedan drugog kao božanskog.

That is the ethos found, too, in all the religions.

To je etos koji se takođe pronalazi u svim religijama.

To je ono što se misli pod prevazilaženjem užasa

It's what is meant by overcoming the horror that we feel when we are under threat of our enemies,

koji osećamo kada smo pod pretnjom neprijatelja

and beginning to appreciate the other.

i počnemo da uvažavamo drugog.

It's of great importance that the word for "holy" in Hebrew, applied to God, is "Kadosh": separate, other.

Od velike je važnosti da je reč za „sveto“ na hebrejskom jeziku,

kada se primeni na boga, „Kadoš“ - zaseban, drugi.

And it is often, perhaps, the very otherness of our enemies which can

Često je možda baš ta pripadnost nečemu drugom naših neprijatelja

ono što nam može dati nagoveštaje te potpuno misteriozne transcedencije

give us intimations of that utterly mysterious transcendence which is God.

koja je bog.

And now, here's my wish:

A sada, evo moje želje.

I wish that you would help with the creation,

Želim da pomognete u stvaranju,

launch and propagation of a Charter for Compassion,

pokretanju i propagiranju Povelje saosećanja

crafted by a group of inspirational thinkers from

koju je sačinila grupa inspirativnih mislioca

the three Abrahamic traditions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam,

iz tri avramske tradicije judaizma, hrišćanstva i islama,

and based on the fundamental principle of the Golden Rule.

zasnovane na suštinskom principu zlatnog pravila.

We need to create a movement among all these people that I meet in my travels --

Treba da stvorimo pokret među svim tim ljudima

koje srećem na svojim putovanjima, a koje i vi verovatno srećete,

you probably meet, too -- who want to join up, in some way,

koji žele da se priključe na neki način i povrate svoju veru

and reclaim their faith, which they feel, as I say, has been hijacked.

koju smatraju, kao što rekoh, nasilno prisvojenom.

We need to empower people to remember the compassionate ethos,

Moramo da osnažimo ljude da se prisete etosa saosećanja

and to give guidelines. This Charter would not be a massive document.

i da im damo smernice.

Ta Povelja ne bi bila ogroman dokument.

I'd like to see it -- to give guidelines as to how to interpret the Scriptures,

Volela bih to da vidim -

davanje smernica o tome kako tumačiti svete spise,

these texts that are being abused. Remember what the rabbis and what Augustine

te tekstove koji se zloupotrebljavaju.

Setite se šta su rabini i Ogastin rekli

said about how Scripture should be governed by the principle of charity.

o tome kako bi trebalo da se sveti spisi vode principom dobročinstva.

Let's get back to that. And the idea, too, of Jews, Christians and Muslims --

Vratimo se tome, kao i ideji o Jevrejima, hrišćanima i muslimanima -

tim tradicijama koje su danas tako često u sukobu -

these traditions now so often at loggerheads -- working together to

kako zajedno rade na stvaranju dokumenta

create a document which we hope will be signed by a thousand, at least,

koji se nadamo da će potpisati hiljade, najmanje toliko,

of major religious leaders from all the traditions of the world.

vodećih religijskih predvodnika iz svih svetskih tradicija,

And you are the people. I'm just a solitary scholar.

a vi ste narod.

Ja sam samo usamljena književnica.

Despite the idea that I love a good time, which I was rather amazed to see coming up on me

Uprkos ideji da volim da se zabavljam,

a što me je prilično iznenadilo da vidim da se dešava kod mene -

-- I actually spend a great deal of time alone, studying, and I'm not very --

zapravo provodim veliki deo vremena sama, učeći, i nisam baš...

you're the people with media knowledge to explain to me how we can get this to everybody,

vi ste ljudi sa znanjem o medijima koji mi možete objasniti

kako ovime dopreti do svakoga, baš svakoga na planeti.

everybody on the planet. I've had some preliminary talks,

Vodila sam neke preliminarne razgovore,

and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, for example,

a nadbiskup Dezmond Tutu, na primer,

is very happy to give his name to this, as is Imam Feisal Rauf, the Imam in New York City.

vrlo rado pridodaje svoje ime ovome,

kao i imam Fajsal Rauf, imam u Njujorku.

Also, I would be working with the Alliance of Civilizations at the United Nations.

Takođe ću raditi sa Alijansom civilizacija pri Ujedinjenim nacijama.

I was part of that United Nations initiative called the Alliance of Civilizations,

Bila sam deo inicijative Ujedinjenih nacija

zvane Alijansa civilizacija,

which was asked by Kofi Annan to diagnose the causes of extremism,

od koje je Kofi Anan zatražio da ustanovi uzroke ekstremizma

and to give practical guidelines to member states about how to avoid the escalation of further extremism.

i da da praktične smernice državama članicama

o tome kako izbeći eskalaciju daljeg ekstremizma.

U Alijansi su mi rekli da su vrlo srećni što rade na tome.

And the Alliance has told me that they are very happy to work with it.

The importance of this is that this is -- I can see some of you starting to look worried,

Značaj ovoga je u tome što je ovo...

Vidim da neki među vama počinju da izgledaju zabrinuto

because you think it's a slow and cumbersome body --

jer mislite da je to sporo i tromo telo -

but what the United Nations can do is give us some neutrality,

ali Ujedinjene nacije nam mogu pružiti neutralnost,

so that this isn't seen as a Western or a Christian initiative, but that it's coming,

tako da to ne bude viđeno

kao zapadnjačka ili hrišćanska inicijativa,

već kao da dolazi, kao što i jeste, iz Ujedinjenih nacija, iz sveta -

as it were, from the United Nations, from the world --

who would help with the sort of bureaucracy of this.

koji bi na neki način pomogli sa birokratijom u ovome.

And so I do urge you to join me in making -- in this charter --

Stoga vas pozivam da mi se pridružite

u stvaranju ove povelje, sačinjavanju ove povelje,

to building this charter, launching it and propagating it so that it becomes --

njenom pokretanju i propagiranju, tako da postane...

I'd like to see it in every college, every church, every mosque, every synagogue in the world,

Volela bih da je vidim na svakom fakultetu,

u svakoj crkvi, džamiji i sinagogi na svetu,

so that people can look at their tradition, reclaim it, and make religion a source of peace in the world,

tako da ljudi mogu da sagledaju svoju tradiciju,

povrate je i učine religiju izvorom mira u svetu,

which it can and should be. Thank you very much. (Applause)

što ona može i trebalo bi da bude.

Hvala vam mnogo. (Aplauz)