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So this right here

Dakle, ovo ovde

is the tiny village of Elle, close to Lista.

je seoce Jele, u blizini Lista.

It's right at the southernmost tip of Norway.

To je tačno na najjužnijoj tački Norveške.

And on January 2 this year,

A 2. januara ove godine,

an elderly guy who lives in the village,

stariji čovek, koji živi u selu,

he went out to see what was cast ashore

je izašao da pogleda šta je izbačeno na obalu

during a recent storm.

tokom nedavne oluje.

And on a patch of grass right next to the water's edge,

A na parčetu trave, odmah uz morsku ivicu,

he found a wetsuit.

pronašao je ronilačko odelo.

It was grey and black, and he thought it looked cheap.

Bilo je sivo-plavo i on je pomislio kako izgleda jeftino.

Out of each leg of the wetsuit

Iz svake nogavice ronilačkog odela

there were sticking two white bones.

virile su dve bele kosti.

It was clearly the remains of a human being.

To su očito bili ostaci ljudskog bića.

And usually, in Norway, dead people are identified quickly.

U Norveškoj obično brzo identifikuju mrtve.

So the police started searching

Pa je policija počela da pregleda

through missing reports from the local area,

prijave nestalih iz lokalnih krajeva,

nacionalne prijave nestalih

national missing reports,

and looked for accidents with a possible connection.

i proveravali su nesreće koje možda imaju veze s tim.

They found nothing.

Nisu pronašli ništa.

So they ran a DNA profile,

Pa su uradili DNK profil,

and they started searching internationally through Interpol.

i započelu su internacionalnu potragu preko Interpola,

Nothing.

Ništa.

This was a person that nobody seemed to be missing.

Ovo je bila osoba koja, kako se činilo, nikom nije nedostajala.

It was an invisible life heading for a nameless grave.

Bio je to nevidljivi život na putu ka bezimenoj grobnici.

But then, after a month,

Ali onda, mesec dana kasnije,

the police in Norway got a message from the police in the Netherlands.

policija u Norveškoj je dobila poruku od policije iz Holandije.

A couple of months earlier, they had found a body,

Nekoliko meseci ranije su pronašli telo

in an identical wetsuit, and they had no idea who this person was.

u identičnom ronilačkom odelu i pojma nisu imali ko je ta osoba.

But the police in the Netherlands managed to trace the wetsuit

Ali policija iz Holandije je uspela da uđe u trag odelu

by an RFID chip that was sewn in the suit.

preko RFID čipa koji je ušiven u njega.

So they were then able to tell

Pa su tako bili u stanju da otkriju

that both wetsuits were bought by the same customer at the same time,

da je oba ronilačka odela kupila ista mušterija u isto vreme,

October 7, 2014,

7. oktobra 2014,

in the French city of Calais by the English Channel.

u francuskom gradu Kaleu, u blizini Engleskog kanala.

But this was all they were able to figure out.

Ali to je bilo sve što su mogli da otkriju.

The customer paid cash.

Mušterija je platila gotovinom.

There was no surveillance footage from the shop.

Nije bilo snimka sigurnosnih kamera iz prodavnice.

So it became a cold case.

Pa je slučaj zastareo.

We heard this story,

Čuli smo ovu priču

and it triggered me and my colleague, photographer Tomm Christiansen,

i ona je pokrenula mene i mog kolegu, fotografa Toma Kristjansena

and we of course had the obvious question: who were these people?

i nas je, naravno, interesovalo očigledno: ko su bili ovi ljudi?

At the time, I'd barely heard about Calais,

Tada jedva da sam znao za Kale,

but it took about two or three seconds to figure out

ali trebalo mi je dve do tri sekunde da otkrijem

Calais is basically known for two things.

da je Kale u suštini poznat po dve stvari.

It's the spot in continental Europe closest to Britain,

To je najbliža tačka kontinentalne Evrope Britaniji

and a lot of migrants and refugees are staying in this camp

i da mnogo migranata i izbeglica odseda u ovom kampu

and are trying desperately to cross over to Britain.

i da očajnički pokušavaju da pređu u Britaniju.

And right there was a plausible theory about the identity of the two people,

I upravo tu je počivala moguća teorija o identitetu dvoje ljudi

and the police made this theory as well.

i to je bila i teorija policije.

Because if you or I or anybody else with a firm connection to Europe

Jer, ukoliko biste vi ili ja, ili bilo ko sa čvrstom vezom u Evropi

goes missing off the coast of France, people would just know.

nestali s obala Francuske, ljudi bi prosto znali.

Your friends or family would report you missing,

Vaši prijatelji ili porodica bi prijavili nestanak,

the police would come search for you, the media would know,

policija bi tragala za vama, mediji bi znali,

and there would be pictures of you on lampposts.

a vaše slike bi bile na banderama.

Teško je netragom nestati.

It's difficult to disappear without a trace.

No, ako ste upravo pobegli od rata u Siriji,

But if you just fled the war in Syria,

and your family, if you have any family left,

vaša porodica, ukoliko imate još porodicu,

don't necessarily know where you are,

ne mora nužno da zna gde ste,

and you're staying here illegally

a vi ste ovde ilegalno,

amongst thousands of others who come and go every day.

među na hiljade drugih koji dolaze i odlaze svakodnevno.

Well, if you disappear one day, nobody will notice.

Pa, ako jednog dana nestanete, niko neće primetiti.

The police won't come search for you because nobody knows you're gone.

Policija neće tragati za vama jer niko ne zna da ste nestali.

And this is what happened to Shadi Omar Kataf

A ovo se desilo Šadiju Omaru Katafu

and Mouaz Al Balkhi from Syria.

i Muazu Al Balkiju iz Sirije.

Me and Tomm went to Calais for the first time in April this year,

Tom i ja smo otišli u Kale prvi put aprila ove godine

and after three months of investigation, we were able to tell the story

i nakon tri meseca istrage mogli smo da ispričamo priču

about how these two young men fled the war in Syria,

o tome kako su ova dva mladića pobegla od rata u Siriji,

ended up stuck in Calais,

završila u škripcu u Kaleu,

bought wetsuits and drowned in what seems to have been an attempt

kupila ronilačka odela i utopila se, kako se čini, u pokušaju

to swim across the English Channel in order to reach England.

preplivavanja Engleskog kanala kako bi stigli do Engleske.

It is a story about the fact that everybody has a name,

To je priča o činjenici da svako ima ime,

everybody has a story, everybody is someone.

svako ima priču, svako je neko.

But it is also a story about what it's like to be a refugee in Europe today.

Ali je to takođe priča o tome kako je danas biti izbeglica u Evropi.

So this is where we started our search.

Dakle, odavde smo počeli potragu.

This is in Calais.

Ovo je u Kaleu.

Right now, between 3,500 and 5,000 people are living here

Trenutno između 3,500 i 5,000 ljudi živi ovde

under horrible conditions.

u užasnim uslovima.

It has been dubbed the worst refugee camp in Europe.

Ovo je označeno kao najgori kamp za izbeglice u Evropi.

Limited access to food, limited access to water,

Ograničen je pristup hrani, ograničen je pristup vodi,

limited access to health care.

ograničen pristup zdravstvu.

Disease and infections are widespread.

Zarazne bolesti i infekcije su rasprostranjene.

And they're all stuck here because they're trying to get to England

A svi su zaglavili ovde jer su pokušavali da stignu do Engleske

in order to claim asylum.

kako bi tražili azil.

And they do that by hiding in the back of trucks headed for the ferry,

A to rade tako što se skrivaju na prikolicma kamiona koji idu trajektom

or the Eurotunnel,

iili Eurotunelom,

or they sneak inside the tunnel terminal at night

ili se noću ušunjaju u terminale u tunelu

to try to hide on the trains.

kako bi se sakrili u vozovima.

Most want to go to Britain because they know the language,

Većina želi da ide u Britaniju jer znaju jezik,

and so they figure it would be easier to restart their lives from there.

pa računaju da bi im bilo lakše da započnu novi život tamo.

They want to work, they want to study,

Žele da rade, da studiraju,

they want to be able to continue their lives.

žele da budu u stanju da nastave svoje živote.

A većina ovih ljudi su visoko obrazovani i kvalifikovani radnici.

A lot of these people are highly educated and skilled workers.

If you go to Calais and talk to refugees, you'll meet lawyers, politicians,

Ako odete u Kale i pričate s izbeglicama, upoznaćete advokate, političare,

engineers, graphic designers, farmers, soldiers.

inženjere, grafičke dizajnere, farmere, vojnike.

You've got the whole spectrum.

Imate čitav spektar.

But who all of these people are

Ali ličnost ovih ljudi

usually gets lost in the way we talk about refugees and migrants,

se obično izgubi u načinu na koji govorimo o izbeglicama i migrantima

because we usually do that in statistics.

jer obično to radimo preko statistike.

So you have 60 million refugees globally.

Dakle, imate 60 miliona izbeglica na svetu.

About half a million have made the crossing

Oko pola miliona njih je prešlo

over the Mediterranean into Europe so far this year,

preko Mediterana u Evropu tokom ove godine

and roughly 4,000 are staying in Calais.

i oko 4000 se zadržalo u Kaleu.

But these are numbers,

Ali ovo su brojevi,

and the numbers don't say anything about who these people are,

a brojevi ne govore ništa o tome ko su ovi ljudi,

where they came from, or why they're here.

odakle stižu ili zašto su ovde.

And first, I want to tell you about one of them.

A prvo želim da vam pričam o jednom od njih.

This is 22-year-old Mouaz Al Balkhi from Syria.

Ovo je 22-ogodišnji Muaz Al Balki iz Sirije.

We first heard about him after being in Calais the first time

Prvi put smo čuli za njega nakon prve posete Kaleu,

looking for answers to the theory of the two dead bodies.

u potrazi za odgovorima na teoriju o dva mrtva tela.

And after a while, we heard this story

I ubrzo smo saznali za priču

about a Syrian man who was living in Bradford in England,

o Sirijcu koji živi u Bradfordu u Engleskoj

and had been desperately searching for his nephew Mouaz for months.

i mesecima očajnički traga za svojim nećakom Muazom.

And it turned out the last time anybody had heard anything from Mouaz

Ispostavilo se da je poslednji put kada je iko išta čuo o Muazu

was October 7, 2014.

bio 7. oktobar 2014.

That was the same date the wetsuits were bought.

To je bio isti datum kada su ronilačka odela kupljena.

So we flew over there and we met the uncle

Pa smo odleteli tamo i sreli se s ujakom

and we did DNA samples of him,

i uzeli smo uzorke DNK od njega

and later on got additional DNA samples from Mouaz's closest relative

i kasnije sme uzeli dodatne DNK uzorke od Muazovog najbližeg rođaka

who now lives in Jordan.

koji sad živi u Jordanu.

The analysis concluded

Analiza je zaključila

the body who was found in a wetsuit on a beach in the Netherlands

da je telo pronađeno u ronilačkom odelu na plaži u Holandiji

was actually Mouaz Al Balkhi.

zaista pripadalo Muazu Al Balkiju.

And while we were doing all this investigation,

I dok smo se bavili istragom,

we got to know Mouaz's story.

saznali smo Muazovu priču.

He was born in the Syrian capital of Damascus in 1991.

Rođen je u glavnom gradu Sirije, Damasku, 1991.

He was raised in a middle class family,

Odgajan je u porodici srednje klase

and his father in the middle there is a chemical engineer

a njegov otac, ovde u sredini, je hemijski inženjer

who spent 11 years in prison for belonging to the political opposition in Syria.

koji je proveo 11 godina u zatvoru zbog pripadnosti opoziciji u Siriji.

While his father was in prison,

Dok mu je otac bio u zatvoru,

Mouaz took responsibility and he cared for his three sisters.

Muaz je preuzeo odgovornost i brigu za svoje tri sestre.

They said he was that kind of guy.

Kažu da je bio takav tip momka.

Mouaz studied to become an electrical engineer

Muaz je studirao da postane inženjer elektrotehnike

at the University of Damascus.

na Univerzitetu u Damasku.

So a couple of years into the Syrian war,

Nekoliko godina nakon početka rata u Siriji,

the family fled Damascus and went to the neighboring country, Jordan.

porodica je pobegla iz Damaska u susednu državu, Jordan.

Their father had problems finding work in Jordan,

Otac je imao problema da pronađe posao u Jordanu

and Mouaz could not continue his studies,

i Muaz nije mogao da nastavi studije,

so he figured, "OK, the best thing I can do to help my family

pa je razmišljao: "U redu, porodici ću najbolje pomoći

would be to go somewhere where I can finish my studies

ako odem negde gde mogu da završim studije

and find work."

i pronađem posao."

So he goes to Turkey.

Pa odlazi u Tursku.

In Turkey, he's not accepted at a university,

U Turskoj nije primljen na fakultet

and once he had left Jordan as a refugee, he was not allowed to reenter.

i čim je napustio Jordan kao izbeglica, više mu nije dozvoljen ponovni ulazak.

So then he decides to head for the UK,

Tada je odlučio da krene ka Britaniji,

where his uncle lives.

gde živi njegov ujak.

He makes it into Algeria, walks into Libya,

Stiže do Alžira, peške ulazi u Libiju,

pays a people smuggler to help him with the crossing into Italy by boat,

plaća krijumčarima ljudi da mu pomognu da brodom pređe do Italije

and from there on he heads to Dunkirk,

i odatle kreće ka Dankirku,

the city right next to Calais by the English Channel.

gradu u blizini Kalea, pored Engleskog kanala.

We know he made at least 12 failed attempts to cross the English Channel

Znamo da je bar 12 puta bezuspešno pokušavao da pređe Engleski kanal,

by hiding in a truck.

skrivajući se u kamionu.

But at some point, he must have given up all hope.

Ali mora da je u jednom momentu izgubio svu nadu.

The last night we know he was alive,

Poslednju noć, za koju znamo da je bio živ,

he spent at a cheap hotel close to the train station in Dunkirk.

proveo je u jeftinom hotelu u blizini železničke stanice u Dankirku.

We found his name in the records, and he seems to have stayed there alone.

Pronašli smo njegovo ime u registru i čini se da je odseo sam.

The day after, he went into Calais, entered a sports shop

Sledeći dan je otišao u Kale, ušao u prodavnicu sportske opreme,

a couple of minutes before 8 o'clock in the evening,

nekoliko minuta pre osam uveče,

along with Shadi Kataf.

zajedno sa Šadijem Katafom.

They both bought wetsuits,

Obojica su kupila ronilačka odela,

and the woman in the shop

a prodavačica iz radnje

was the last person we know of to have seen them alive.

je poslednja osoba za koju znamo da ih je videla žive.

We have tried to figure out where Shadi met Mouaz,

Pokušali smo da saznamo gde je Šadi upoznao Muaza,

but we weren't able to do that.

ali nismo uspeli.

But they do have a similar story.

Ali imaju sličnu priču.

We first heard about Shadi after a cousin of his, living in Germany,

Prvi put smo čuli za Šadija nakon što je njegov rođak, koji živi u Nemačkoj,

had read an Arabic translation of the story made of Mouaz on Facebook.

pročitao na Fejsbuku priču o Muazu prevedenu na arapski.

So we got in touch with him.

Pa smo kontaktirali s njim.

Shadi, a couple of years older than Mouaz,

Šadi, nekoliko godina stariji od Muaza,

was also raised in Damascus.

je takođe odrastao u Damasku.

He was a working kind of guy.

Bio je vredan tip momka.

He ran a tire repair shop and later worked in a printing company.

Vodio je vulkanizersku radnju, a kasnije je radio u štamparskoj firmi.

He lived with his extended family,

Živeo je sa širom porodicom,

but their house got bombed early in the war.

ali je njihova kuća bombardovana početkom rata.

So the family fled to an area of Damascus known as Camp Yarmouk.

Pa je porodica pobegla u deo Damaska poznat kao Kamp Jarmuk.

Yarmouk is being described as the worst place to live

Jarmuk opisuju kao najgore mesto za život

on planet Earth.

na planeti Zemlji.

They've been bombed by the military, they've been besieged,

Vojska ih je bombardovala, bili su pod opsadom,

they've been stormed by ISIS

ISIS ih je pustošio

and they've been cut off from supplies for years.

i godinama su bili odsečeni od zaliha.

There was a UN official who visited last year,

Jedan zvaničnik UN-a ih je posetio prošle godine

and he said, "They ate all the grass so there was no grass left."

i rekao: "Pojeli su svu travu, pa nije uopšte trave preostalo."

Out of a population of 150,000,

Od 150,000 stanovnika

only 18,000 are believed to still be left in Yarmouk.

veruje se da samo 18,000 i dalje živi u Jarmuku.

Shadi and his sisters got out.

Šadi i njegove sestre su pobegli.

The parents are still stuck inside.

Roditelji su i dalje zaglavljeni unutra.

So Shadi and one of his sisters, they fled to Libya.

Pa su Šadi i jedna njegova sestra pobegli u Libiju.

This was after the fall of Gaddafi,

Ovo je bilo nakon Gadafijevog pada,

but before Libya turned into full-blown civil war.

ali pre nego što je buknuo građanski rat u Libiji.

And in this last remaining sort of stability in Libya,

I tokom poslednjeg perioda stabilnosti u Libiji,

Shadi took up scuba diving, and he seemed to spend most of his time underwater.

Šadi je naučio da roni i čini se da je najviše vremena provodio pod vodom.

He fell completely in love with the ocean,

Potpuno se zaljubio u okean,

so when he finally decided that he could no longer be in Libya,

pa kad je konačno odlučio da više ne može da ostane u Libiji,

late August 2014,

krajem avgusta 2014,

he hoped to find work as a diver when he reached Italy.

nadao se da će da naći posao ronioca kada stigne u Italiju.

Reality was not that easy.

Stvarnost nije bila tako jednostavna.

We don't know much about his travels

Ne znamo mnogo o njegovim putovanjima

because he had a hard time communicating with his family,

jer je teško komunicirao s porodicom,

but we do know that he struggled.

ali znamo da se mučio.

And by the end of September,

I do kraja septembra,

he was living on the streets somewhere in France.

živeo je na ulicama negde u Francuskoj.

On October 7, he calls his cousin in Belgium,

Dana 7. oktobra, zove rođaka u Belgiji

and explains his situation.

i opisuje mu svoju situaciju.

He said, "I'm in Calais. I need you to come get my backpack and my laptop.

Rekao je: "U Kaleu sam, dođi da uzmeš moj ranac i laptop.

I can't afford to pay the people smugglers to help me with the crossing to Britain,

Nemam novca da platim krijumčarima da mi pomognu da pređem u Britaniju,

ali otići ću da kupim ronilačko odelo i plivaću."

but I will go buy a wetsuit and I will swim."

His cousin, of course, tried to warn him not to,

Rođak ga je naravno pokušao odvratiti,

but Shadi's battery on the phone went flat,

ali Šadijeva baterija na telefonu se potrošila

and his phone was never switched on again.

i njegov telefon nikada više nije uključen.

What was left of Shadi was found nearly three months later,

Šadijevi ostaci su pronađeni gotovo tri meseca kasnije,

800 kilometers away

800 kilometara dalje

in a wetsuit on a beach in Norway.

u ronilačkom odelu, na plaži u Norveškoj.

He's still waiting for his funeral in Norway,

Još uvek čeka da bude sahranjen u Norveškoj,

and none of his family will be able to attend.

a niko od njegove porodice neće moći da prisustvuje.

Many may think that the story about Shadi and Mouaz

Mnogi će možda pomisliti da je priča o Šadiju i Muazu

is a story about death,

priča o smrti,

but I don't agree.

ali ja se ne slažem s tim.

To me, this is a story about two questions that I think we all share:

Za mene, ovo je priča o dva pitanja zajednička za sve nas:

what is a better life,

šta je bolji život

and what am I willing to do to achieve it?

i na šta sam ja spreman da bih ga ostvario?

And to me, and probably a lot of you,

I za mene, a verovatno i mnoge od vas,

a better life would mean

bolji život bi značio

being able to do more of what we think of as meaningful,

mogućnost da uradimo više smislenih stvari,

whether that be spending more time with your family and friends,

bilo da je to provođenje više vremena s porodicom i prijateljima,

travel to an exotic place,

putovanje na egzotično mesto

or just getting money to buy that cool new device

ili prosto da zaradimo novac za novi kul uređaj

or a pair of new sneakers.

ili par novih patika.

And this is all within our reach pretty easily.

A sve nam je ovo prilično lako na dohvat ruke.

But if you are fleeing a war zone,

Ali ako bežite iz ratne zone,

the answers to those two questions are dramatically different.

odgovori na ova dva pitanja su drastično drugačiji.

A better life is a life in safety.

Bolji život je život na sigurnom.

It's a life in dignity.

Dostojanstven život.

A better life means not having your house bombed,

Bolji život je kad vam kuću ne bombarduju,

not fearing being kidnapped.

kad ne strahujete od otmice.

It means being able to send your children to school,

Kad ste u mogućnosti da pošaljete decu u školu,

go to university,

da pohađate fakultet

or just find work to be able to provide for yourself and the ones you love.

ili da prosto nađete posao i zarađujete za sebe i one koje volite.

A better life would be a future of some possibilities

Bolji život bi bila budućnost sa nekim izgledima,

compared to nearly none,

nasuprot skoro nikakvim izgledima,

and that's a strong motivation.

a to je snažna motivacija.

And I have no trouble imagining

I nije mi teško da zamislim

that after spending weeks or even months

da nakon što provedete nedelje ili pak mesece

as a second-grade citizen,

kao drugorazredni građanin,

living on the streets or in a horrible makeshift camp

živeći na ulicama ili u užasnim improvizovanim kampovima

with a stupid, racist name like "The Jungle,"

sa glupim, rasitičkim imenima, poput "Džungle",

most of us would be willing to do just about anything.

većina nas bi bila spremna na sve.

If I could ask Shadi and Mouaz

Kada bih mogao da pitam Šadija i Muaza

the second they stepped into the freezing waters of the English Channel,

te sekunde kada su zakoračili u ledene vode Engleskog kanala,

they would probably say, "This is worth the risk,"

verovatno bi rekli: "Ovo je vredno rizika",

because they could no longer see any other option.

jer više nisu bili u stanju da vide drugi izlaz.

And that's desperation,

A to je očaj,

but that's the reality of living as a refugee in Western Europe in 2015.

ali to je realnost izbegličkog života u Zapadnoj Evropi 2015.

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Anders.

Bruno Đusani: Hvala, Anderse.

This is Tomm Christiansen,

Ovo je Tom Kristjansen,

who took most of the pictures you have seen and they've done reporting together.

koji je napravio većinu slika koje ste videli i zajedno su radili na reportaži.

Tomm, you two have been back to Calais recently.

Tome, vas dvojica ste nedavno ponovo bili u Kaleu.

This was the third trip.

To je bilo treće putovanje.

It was after the publication of the article.

To je bilo nakon objavljivanja članka.

What has changed? What have you seen there?

Šta se promenilo? Šta si video tamo?

Tomm Christiansen: The first time we were in Calais,

Tom Kristjansen: Prvi put kad smo bili u Kaleu,

it was about 1,500 refugees there.

tamo je bilo oko 1,500 izbeglica.

They had a difficult time, but they were positive, they had hope.

Bilo im je teško, ali bili su raspoloženi, imali su nadu.

The last time, the camp has grown, maybe four or five thousand people.

Sada je kamp narastao, ima možda četiri ili pet hiljada ljudi.

It seemed more permanent, NGOs have arrived,

Čini se trajnijim, stigle su NVO,

a small school has opened.

malena škola je otvorena.

But the thing is that the refugees have stayed for a longer time,

Ali stvar je u tome da su izbeglice ostale duže

and the French government has managed to seal off the borders better,

i francuska vlada je uspela da bolje zatvori granice,

so now The Jungle is growing,

pa sada Džungla raste,

along with the despair and hopelessness among the refugees.

zajedno sa očajem i beznađem kod izbeglica.

BG: Are you planning to go back? And continue the reporting?

BĐ: Planiraš li da se vratiš? I da nastaviš s reportažom?

TC: Yes.

TK: Da.

BG: Anders, I'm a former journalist,

BĐ: Anderse, ja sam bivši novinar

and to me, it's amazing that in the current climate

i meni je neverovatno da u trenutnoj klimi

of slashing budgets and publishers in crisis,

podrezivanja budžeta i krize u izdavaštvu,

Dagbladet has consented so many resources for this story,

"Dagbladet" pristane da ovoliko resursa uloži u ovu priču,

which tells a lot about newspapers taking the responsibility,

što mnogo govori o novini koja je preuzela odgovornost,

but how did you sell it to your editors?

ali kako ste je prodali urednicima?

Anders Fjellberg: It wasn't easy at first,

Anders Fjelberg: Nije bilo lako u početku,

because we weren't able to know what we actually could figure out.

jer nismo mogli da znamo koliko zaista možemo da otkrijemo.

As soon as it became clear

Čim je postalo jasno

that we actually could be able to identify who the first one was,

da bismo zapravo mogli da identifikujemo prvo telo,

we basically got the message that we could do whatever we wanted,

u suštini smo dobili poruku da možemo da radimo šta god želimo,

just travel wherever you need to go, do whatever you need to do,

samo putujte gde god treba da idete, uradite šta god je potrebno,

just get this done.

samo završite ovu priču.

BG: That's an editor taking responsibility.

BĐ: To je urednik koji preuzima odgovornost.

The story, by the way, has been translated and published

Priča je, usput, prevedena i objavljena

across several European countries, and certainly will continue to do.

u nekoliko evropskih država i svakako će nastaviti da se objavljuje.

And we want to read the updates from you. Thank you Anders. Thank you Tomm.

A mi želimo da čitamo vaša ažuriranja. Hvala ti Anderse. Hvala ti Tome.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)