Two Nameless Bodies Washed Up on the Beach. Here Are Their Stories | Anders Fjellberg | TED Talks

Translator: Nadia Putri Reviewer: Dewi Barnas

So this right here

Yang ditunjukkan di sini

is the tiny village of Elle, close to Lista.

adalah desa kecil bernama Elle, berdekatan dengan Lista.

It's right at the southernmost tip of Norway.

Letaknya di ujung selatan Norwegia.

And on January 2 this year,

Pada tanggal 2 Januari tahun ini,

an elderly guy who lives in the village,

seorang pria tua yang tinggal di desa,

melihat keluar untuk melihat apa yang terdampar

he went out to see what was cast ashore

during a recent storm.

akibat badai yang baru terjadi.

And on a patch of grass right next to the water's edge,

Dan di sepetak rumput di tepian air,

he found a wetsuit.

ia menemukan baju selam.

It was grey and black, and he thought it looked cheap.

Warnanya abu-abu dan hitam, dan kelihatannya murah.

Out of each leg of the wetsuit

Dari kaki baju selam itu,

there were sticking two white bones.

dua tulang putih menjulur keluar.

It was clearly the remains of a human being.

Sangat jelas itu sisa jenazah manusia.

Biasanya, di Norwegia, jenazah manusia diidentifikasi dengan cepat.

And usually, in Norway, dead people are identified quickly.

So the police started searching

Jadi polisi mulai mencari

through missing reports from the local area,

melalui laporan orang hilang

secara lokal dan nasional,

national missing reports,

and looked for accidents with a possible connection.

dan mencari kecelakaan yang mungkin berhubungan.

They found nothing.

Mereka tidak menemukan apapun.

So they ran a DNA profile,

Jadi mereka melakukan tes DNA,

and they started searching internationally through Interpol.

dan mereka mulai mencari secara internasional lewat Interpol.

Nothing.

Tak ada apa pun.

This was a person that nobody seemed to be missing.

Ini adalah seseorang yang sepertinya tidak dirindukan siapa pun.

It was an invisible life heading for a nameless grave.

Hidupnya tak terlihat, dan ia menuju ke kuburan tanpa nama.

But then, after a month,

Tetapi setelah sebulan berlalu,

the police in Norway got a message from the police in the Netherlands.

kepolisian Norwegia mendapat pesan dari kepolisian Belanda.

A couple of months earlier, they had found a body,

Beberapa bulan sebelumnya, mereka menemukan jenazah

in an identical wetsuit, and they had no idea who this person was.

dalam baju selam yang persis sama, dan mereka tidak tahu identitasnya.

But the police in the Netherlands managed to trace the wetsuit

Tapi kepolisian Belanda berhasil melacak baju selam itu

by an RFID chip that was sewn in the suit.

menggunakan chip RFID yang dijahit ke baju itu.

So they were then able to tell

Mereka lalu bisa tahu

that both wetsuits were bought by the same customer at the same time,

bahwa kedua baju selam itu dibeli oleh orang yang sama pada saat yang sama,

October 7, 2014,

pada 7 Oktober 2014,

in the French city of Calais by the English Channel.

di kota Calais di Perancis, dekat Selat Inggris.

But this was all they were able to figure out.

Tapi hanya inilah informasi yang mereka dapatkan.

The customer paid cash.

Pembelinya membayar tunai.

There was no surveillance footage from the shop.

Tidak ada rekaman CCTV di toko.

So it became a cold case.

Maka mereka berhenti menyelidikinya.

We heard this story,

Kami mendengar kisah ini,

yang menarik minat saya dan rekan saya, juru foto Tomm Christiansen,

and it triggered me and my colleague, photographer Tomm Christiansen,

and we of course had the obvious question: who were these people?

dan kami punya pertanyaan yang jelas: siapakah mereka?

At the time, I'd barely heard about Calais,

Saat itu, saya tidak pernah dengar tentang Calais,

but it took about two or three seconds to figure out

tapi cuma butuh dua atau tiga detik untuk tahu

Calais is basically known for two things.

bahwa Calais pada dasarnya terkenal untuk dua hal.

It's the spot in continental Europe closest to Britain,

Itu adalah lokasi terdekat dengan Inggris dari daratan Eropa,

and a lot of migrants and refugees are staying in this camp

dan banyak migran dan pengungsi tinggal di perkemahan ini

and are trying desperately to cross over to Britain.

dan berusaha mati-matian untuk menyeberang ke Inggris.

And right there was a plausible theory about the identity of the two people,

Dan dari sana, ada teori yang sangat mungkin tentang identitas dua orang ini,

and the police made this theory as well.

dan polisi juga menyimpulkan demikian.

Because if you or I or anybody else with a firm connection to Europe

Karena jika Anda atau saya atau siapapun dengan hubungan jelas ke Eropa

goes missing off the coast of France, people would just know.

hilang dari pesisir Perancis, orang-orang pasti tahu.

Your friends or family would report you missing,

Teman dan keluarga Anda akan melaporkan Anda hilang,

the police would come search for you, the media would know,

para polisi akan mencari Anda, media akan tahu,

and there would be pictures of you on lampposts.

dan mungkin gambar Anda akan dipasang di tiang-tiang lampu.

It's difficult to disappear without a trace.

Susah untuk hilang tanpa jejak.

Tapi jika Anda lari dari perang di Suriah,

But if you just fled the war in Syria,

dan keluarga Anda, jika masih ada,

and your family, if you have any family left,

tidak tahu di mana Anda,

don't necessarily know where you are,

and you're staying here illegally

dan Anda tinggal di sini secara ilegal

amongst thousands of others who come and go every day.

di antara ribuan lainnya yang datang dan pergi setiap hari.

Well, if you disappear one day, nobody will notice.

Jika Anda suatu hari hilang, tidak akan ada yang memperhatikan.

The police won't come search for you because nobody knows you're gone.

Polisi tidak akan mencari Anda karena tidak ada yang tahu Anda hilang.

And this is what happened to Shadi Omar Kataf

Dan inilah yang terjadi pada Shadi Omar Kataf

and Mouaz Al Balkhi from Syria.

dan Mouaz Al Balkhi dari Suriah.

Me and Tomm went to Calais for the first time in April this year,

Saya dan Tomm ke Calais untuk pertama kalinya April tahun ini,

and after three months of investigation, we were able to tell the story

dan setelah tiga bulan penyelidikan, kami bisa menceritakan

about how these two young men fled the war in Syria,

bagaimana 2 pria muda ini melarikan diri dari perang di Suriah,

ended up stuck in Calais,

lalu tertahan di Calais,

bought wetsuits and drowned in what seems to have been an attempt

membeli baju selam dan tenggelam ketika sepertinya mencoba

to swim across the English Channel in order to reach England.

berenang menyeberangi Selat Inggris untuk mencapai Inggris.

It is a story about the fact that everybody has a name,

Ini adalah cerita tentang fakta bahwa setiap orang memiliki nama,

everybody has a story, everybody is someone.

setiap orang punya cerita, setiap orang adalah seseorang.

But it is also a story about what it's like to be a refugee in Europe today.

Ini juga cerita tentang bagaimana rasanya menjadi pengungsi di Eropa saat ini.

So this is where we started our search.

Kami memulai pencarian kami di sini.

This is in Calais.

Ini di Calais.

Right now, between 3,500 and 5,000 people are living here

Sekarang, antara 3.500 dan 5.000 orang tinggal di sini

under horrible conditions.

dalam kondisi yang buruk.

It has been dubbed the worst refugee camp in Europe.

Calais dijuluki sebagai penampungan pengungsi terburuk di Eropa.

Limited access to food, limited access to water,

akses makanan yang terbatas, akses air yang terbatas,

limited access to health care.

dan layanan kesehatan yang terbatas.

Disease and infections are widespread.

Penyakit dan infeksi di mana-mana.

And they're all stuck here because they're trying to get to England

Dan mereka terjebak di sini karena mereka berusaha pergi ke Inggris

in order to claim asylum.

untuk meminta suaka.

And they do that by hiding in the back of trucks headed for the ferry,

Mereka melakukannya dengan sembunyi di belakang truk yang menuju ke feri,

or the Eurotunnel,

atau Eurotunnel,

or they sneak inside the tunnel terminal at night

atau menyelinap ke terminal terowongan di malam hari

to try to hide on the trains.

untuk mencoba sembunyi di kereta.

Most want to go to Britain because they know the language,

Kebanyakan ingin ke Inggris karena mengerti bahasanya,

and so they figure it would be easier to restart their lives from there.

jadi mereka pikir akan lebih gampang memulai ulang hidup mereka di sana.

Mereka ingin bekerja, ingin belajar,

They want to work, they want to study,

they want to be able to continue their lives.

mereka ingin bisa melanjutkan hidup mereka.

Banyak dari mereka yang berpendidikan tinggi dan terampil.

A lot of these people are highly educated and skilled workers.

If you go to Calais and talk to refugees, you'll meet lawyers, politicians,

Jika Anda bicara dengan mereka, Anda akan bertemu pengacara, politikus

engineers, graphic designers, farmers, soldiers.

insinyur, perancang grafis, petani, tentara.

You've got the whole spectrum.

Mereka dari beragam profesi.

But who all of these people are

Tapi identitas orang-orang ini

usually gets lost in the way we talk about refugees and migrants,

seringnya lenyap ketika kita bicara tentang pengungsi dan migran,

because we usually do that in statistics.

karena kita biasanya berbicara tentang statistik.

So you have 60 million refugees globally.

Jadi ada 60 juta pengungsi di dunia.

About half a million have made the crossing

Sekitar setengah juta menyeberangi

over the Mediterranean into Europe so far this year,

Laut Mediterania ke Eropa hingga tahun ini,

and roughly 4,000 are staying in Calais.

dan kurang lebih 4.000 tinggal di Calais.

But these are numbers,

Tapi ini adalah angka,

and the numbers don't say anything about who these people are,

dan angka tidak menceritakan apa-apa tentang siapa orang-orang ini,

where they came from, or why they're here.

dari mana mereka, atau kenapa mereka di sini.

And first, I want to tell you about one of them.

Saya ingin bercerita tentang salah satu dari mereka.

This is 22-year-old Mouaz Al Balkhi from Syria.

Ini adalah Mouaz Al Balkhi, usia 22 tahun, dari Suriah.

We first heard about him after being in Calais the first time

Kami pertama mendengar tentangnya setelah pertama kali pergi ke Calais,

looking for answers to the theory of the two dead bodies.

mencari jawaban atas dua jenazah itu.

And after a while, we heard this story

Setelah beberapa waktu, kami mendengar

cerita tentang pria Suriah yang tinggal di Bradford di Inggris,

about a Syrian man who was living in Bradford in England,

and had been desperately searching for his nephew Mouaz for months.

yang sudah mati-matian mencari keponakannya Mouaz selama berbulan-bulan.

And it turned out the last time anybody had heard anything from Mouaz

Dan ternyata kabar terakhir dari Mouaz

was October 7, 2014.

diterima tanggal 7 Oktober 2014.

That was the same date the wetsuits were bought.

Pada hari yang sama baju selam itu dibeli.

So we flew over there and we met the uncle

Kami pergi ke sana dan bertemu dengan pamannya

and we did DNA samples of him,

dan kami mengambil sampel DNA darinya,

and later on got additional DNA samples from Mouaz's closest relative

dan belakangan mendapat sampel tambahan dari keluarga dekat Mouaz

who now lives in Jordan.

yang sekarang tinggal di Yordania.

The analysis concluded

Analisa menyimpulkan bahwa

the body who was found in a wetsuit on a beach in the Netherlands

jenazah yang ditemukan dalam baju selam di pantai Belanda

was actually Mouaz Al Balkhi.

sebenarnya adalah Mouaz Al Balkhi.

And while we were doing all this investigation,

Dan ketika kami melakukan investigasi ini,

we got to know Mouaz's story.

kami jadi tahu tentang kisah Mouaz.

He was born in the Syrian capital of Damascus in 1991.

Ia lahir di ibu kota Suriah, Damaskus, tahun 1991.

He was raised in a middle class family,

Dibesarkan di keluarga kelas menengah,

and his father in the middle there is a chemical engineer

dan ayahnya yang di tengah adalah insinyur kimia

who spent 11 years in prison for belonging to the political opposition in Syria.

yang menghabiskan 11 tahun di penjara karena termasuk oposisi politik di Suriah.

While his father was in prison,

Ketika ayahnya di penjara,

Mouaz took responsibility and he cared for his three sisters.

Mouaz bertanggung jawab untuk menjaga ketiga saudara perempuannya.

They said he was that kind of guy.

Mereka bilang dia seperti itu orangnya.

Mouaz studied to become an electrical engineer

Mouaz belajar untuk menjadi insinyur listrik

at the University of Damascus.

di Universitas Damaskus.

So a couple of years into the Syrian war,

Beberapa tahun setelah perang mulai,

the family fled Damascus and went to the neighboring country, Jordan.

keluarganya kabur dari Damaskus dan pergi ke negara tetangga, Yordania.

Their father had problems finding work in Jordan,

Ayah mereka susah mencari kerja di Yordania,

and Mouaz could not continue his studies,

dan Mouaz tidak bisa melanjutkan kuliah,

so he figured, "OK, the best thing I can do to help my family

jadi ia pikir,"hal terbaik yang saya bisa lakukan untuk keluarga

would be to go somewhere where I can finish my studies

adalah pergi ke tempat dimana saya bisa menyelesaikan kuliah

and find work."

dan cari kerja."

So he goes to Turkey.

Jadi ia pergi ke Turki.

In Turkey, he's not accepted at a university,

Di Turki, dia tidak diterima di universitas,

and once he had left Jordan as a refugee, he was not allowed to reenter.

dan setelah pergi dari Yordania sebagai pengungsi, dia tidak boleh masuk lagi.

So then he decides to head for the UK,

Jadi ia memutuskan untuk pergi ke Inggris,

where his uncle lives.

tempat tinggal pamannya.

He makes it into Algeria, walks into Libya,

Ia berhasil ke Algeria, berjalan masuk Libya,

pays a people smuggler to help him with the crossing into Italy by boat,

membayar penyelundup untuk membantunya menyeberang ke Itali dengan kapal,

and from there on he heads to Dunkirk,

dan dari situ ia menuju ke Dunkirk,

the city right next to Calais by the English Channel.

kota di sebelah Calais di Selat Inggris.

We know he made at least 12 failed attempts to cross the English Channel

Kami tahu dia mencoba minimal 12 kali untuk menyeberangi Selat Inggris

by hiding in a truck.

dengan sembunyi di truk.

But at some point, he must have given up all hope.

Tapi pada suatu waktu, dia sepertinya putus asa.

Malam terakhir yang kami tahu dia masih hidup,

The last night we know he was alive,

he spent at a cheap hotel close to the train station in Dunkirk.

dihabiskannya di hotel murah dekat stasiun kereta di Dunkirk.

We found his name in the records, and he seems to have stayed there alone.

Kami menemukan namanya di buku tamu, dan sepertinya dia di sana sendirian.

The day after, he went into Calais, entered a sports shop

Sehari setelahnya, dia pergi ke Calais, masuk ke toko olahraga

a couple of minutes before 8 o'clock in the evening,

beberapa menit sebelum jam 8 malam,

along with Shadi Kataf.

bersamaan dengan Shadi Kataf.

They both bought wetsuits,

Mereka berdua membeli baju selam,

and the woman in the shop

dan wanita di toko itu

setahu kami adalah orang terakhir yang melihat mereka hidup-hidup.

was the last person we know of to have seen them alive.

We have tried to figure out where Shadi met Mouaz,

Kami sudah mencoba mencari tahu dimana Shadi bertemu Mouaz,

but we weren't able to do that.

tapi kami tidak berhasil.

But they do have a similar story.

Tapi cerita mereka serupa.

We first heard about Shadi after a cousin of his, living in Germany,

Kami pertama mendengar tentang Shadi setelah sepupunya yang tinggal di Jerman

had read an Arabic translation of the story made of Mouaz on Facebook.

membaca kisah Mouaz di Facebook, yang diterjemahkan ke dalam bahasa Arab.

So we got in touch with him.

Jadi kami menghubunginya.

Shadi, a couple of years older than Mouaz,

Shadi, beberapa tahun lebih tua dari Mouaz,

was also raised in Damascus.

juga dibesarkan di Damaskus.

He was a working kind of guy.

Ia pria yang senang bekerja.

He ran a tire repair shop and later worked in a printing company.

Ia memiliki bengkel ban dan belakangan bekerja di perusahaan percetakan.

He lived with his extended family,

Ia tinggal dengan keluarga besar,

but their house got bombed early in the war.

tapi rumah mereka terkena bom pada awal perang.

So the family fled to an area of Damascus known as Camp Yarmouk.

Mereka sekeluarga kabur ke area Perkemahan Yarmouk di Damaskus.

Yarmouk is being described as the worst place to live

Yarmouk digambarkan sebagai tempat terparah untuk ditinggali

on planet Earth.

di muka bumi ini.

They've been bombed by the military, they've been besieged,

Mereka pernah dibom oleh militer, mereka pernah dikepung,

mereka pernah diserbu ISIS

they've been stormed by ISIS

and they've been cut off from supplies for years.

dan tidak ada akses persediaan selama bertahun-tahun.

There was a UN official who visited last year,

Ada petugas PBB yang berkunjung tahun lalu

and he said, "They ate all the grass so there was no grass left."

dan ia bilang,"Mereka sudah makan semua rumput di sana, jadi tanahnya gundul."

Out of a population of 150,000,

Dari populasi 150.000 orang,

only 18,000 are believed to still be left in Yarmouk.

diperkirakan hanya 18.000 yang masih tinggal di Yarmouk.

Shadi and his sisters got out.

Shadi dan saudaranya berhasil keluar.

The parents are still stuck inside.

Orang tuanya masih ada di Yarmouk.

So Shadi and one of his sisters, they fled to Libya.

Jadi Shadi bersama salah satu saudaranya, kabur ke Libya.

This was after the fall of Gaddafi,

Ini setelah jatuhnya Gaddafi,

but before Libya turned into full-blown civil war.

tapi sebelum perang sipil besar pecah di Libya.

And in this last remaining sort of stability in Libya,

Dan di saat-saat akhir Libya masih cukup stabil,

Shadi took up scuba diving, and he seemed to spend most of his time underwater.

Shadi belajar scuba diving, dan menghabiskan banyak waktu di laut.

He fell completely in love with the ocean,

Dia jatuh cinta dengan lautan,

so when he finally decided that he could no longer be in Libya,

jadi ketika dia memutuskan untuk meninggalkan Libya

late August 2014,

di akhir Agustus 2014,

he hoped to find work as a diver when he reached Italy.

ia berharap bisa bekerja sebagai penyelam ketika sampai Itali.

Reality was not that easy.

Kenyataan tidak semudah itu.

We don't know much about his travels

Kami tidak tahu banyak tentang perjalanannya

because he had a hard time communicating with his family,

karena ia kesulitan berkomunikasi dengan keluarganya,

but we do know that he struggled.

tapi kami tahu ia mengalami kesulitan.

And by the end of September,

Dan pada akhir September,

he was living on the streets somewhere in France.

dia tinggal di jalanan di Perancis.

On October 7, he calls his cousin in Belgium,

Tanggal 7 Oktober, dia menelepon sepupunya di Belgia,

and explains his situation.

dan menjelaskan situasinya.

He said, "I'm in Calais. I need you to come get my backpack and my laptop.

Ia bilang,"Saya di Calais. Saya butuh kamu datang untuk mengambil tas & laptop saya.

I can't afford to pay the people smugglers to help me with the crossing to Britain,

Saya tidak mampu membayar penyelundup untuk membantu saya ke Inggris,

but I will go buy a wetsuit and I will swim."

tapi saya akan membeli baju selam dan berenang."

His cousin, of course, tried to warn him not to,

Tentu saja, sepupunya mencoba memperingatkannya untuk mengurungkan niat

but Shadi's battery on the phone went flat,

tapi baterai ponsel Shadi habis,

and his phone was never switched on again.

dan ponselnya tidak pernah nyala lagi.

What was left of Shadi was found nearly three months later,

Apa yang tersisa dari Shadi ditemukan hampir tiga bulan kemudian,

800 kilometers away

800 kilometer jauhnya

in a wetsuit on a beach in Norway.

dalam baju selam di pantai Norwegia.

He's still waiting for his funeral in Norway,

Ia masih menunggu pemakamannya di Norwegia,

and none of his family will be able to attend.

dan keluarganya tidak akan bisa hadir.

Many may think that the story about Shadi and Mouaz

Banyak yang mungkin berpikir cerita Shadi dan Mouaz

is a story about death,

adalah cerita tentang kematian,

but I don't agree.

tapi saya tidak setuju.

To me, this is a story about two questions that I think we all share:

Bagi saya, ini cerita tentang 2 pertanyaan yang menurut saya kita semua pikirkan:

what is a better life,

apakah definisi kehidupan yang lebih baik,

and what am I willing to do to achieve it?

dan apa yang saya rela lakukan untuk mencapainya?

And to me, and probably a lot of you,

Dan untuk saya, dan mungkin kebanyakan Anda,

a better life would mean

hidup yang lebih baik berarti

being able to do more of what we think of as meaningful,

bisa melakukan lebih banyak hal yang berarti bagi kita,

whether that be spending more time with your family and friends,

apakah itu menghabiskan waktu dengan keluarga dan teman,

travel to an exotic place,

bepergian ke tempat eksotis,

or just getting money to buy that cool new device

atau mendapat uang untuk beli alat baru yang keren

or a pair of new sneakers.

atau sepasang sepatu baru.

And this is all within our reach pretty easily.

Dan ini semua dapat kita raih dengan mudah.

But if you are fleeing a war zone,

Tapi jika Anda kabur dari zona perang,

the answers to those two questions are dramatically different.

jawaban kedua pertanyaan itu sangat berbeda.

A better life is a life in safety.

Hidup yang lebih baik adalah hidup aman.

It's a life in dignity.

Itu adalah kehidupan bermartabat.

A better life means not having your house bombed,

Hidup yang lebih baik berarti rumah Anda tidak dibom,

not fearing being kidnapped.

tidak takut akan diculik.

It means being able to send your children to school,

Itu berarti bisa mengirim anak Anda ke sekolah,

go to university,

kuliah,

or just find work to be able to provide for yourself and the ones you love.

atau cari kerja untuk menafkahi diri Anda dan orang-orang yang Anda cintai.

A better life would be a future of some possibilities

Hidup yang lebih baik berarti masa depan dengan beberapa kemungkinan

compared to nearly none,

alih-alih tiada harapan dan kemungkinan,

and that's a strong motivation.

dan itu motivasi yang kuat.

And I have no trouble imagining

Dan saya bisa dengan mudah membayangkan

that after spending weeks or even months

setelah menghabiskan beberapa minggu atau bahkan bulan

as a second-grade citizen,

sebagai warga kelas dua,

living on the streets or in a horrible makeshift camp

tinggal di jalanan atau kemah darurat yang mengerikan

with a stupid, racist name like "The Jungle,"

dengan nama rasis dan bodoh seperti "The Jungle" (Hutan),

most of us would be willing to do just about anything.

kebanyakan kita akan bersedia melakukan apapun.

If I could ask Shadi and Mouaz

Andai saya bisa tanya Shadi dan Mouaz

the second they stepped into the freezing waters of the English Channel,

tepat ketika mereka melangkahkan kaki di air beku Selat Inggris,

they would probably say, "This is worth the risk,"

mereka mungkin berkata, "Ini sepadan dengan resikonya,"

because they could no longer see any other option.

karena mereka tidak lagi bisa melihat pilihan lain.

And that's desperation,

Dan itulah perasaan putus asa,

but that's the reality of living as a refugee in Western Europe in 2015.

tapi itulah kenyataan kehidupan pengungsi di Eropa Barat tahun 2015.

Thank you.

Terima kasih.

(Applause)

(Tepuk tangan)

Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Anders.

Bruno Giussani: Terima kasih, Anders.

This is Tomm Christiansen,

Ini Tomm Christiansen, yang memotret sebagian besar gambar yang Anda lihat

who took most of the pictures you have seen and they've done reporting together.

dan mereka meliput laporan ini bersama-sama.

Tomm, you two have been back to Calais recently.

Tomm, kalian kembali lagi ke Calais baru-baru ini.

This was the third trip.

Ini perjalanan ketiga kalian.

It was after the publication of the article.

Ini setelah publikasi artikel itu.

What has changed? What have you seen there?

Apa ada yang berubah? Apa yang Anda lihat?

Tomm Christiansen: The first time we were in Calais,

Tomm Christiansen: Pertama kali kami di Calais,

it was about 1,500 refugees there.

ada sekitar 1.500 pengungsi di sana.

They had a difficult time, but they were positive, they had hope.

Mereka mengalami kesulitan, tapi mereka positif, punya harapan.

The last time, the camp has grown, maybe four or five thousand people.

Terakhir kami di sana, perkemahannya makin besar, mungkin ada 4-5 ribu orang.

It seemed more permanent, NGOs have arrived,

Terlihat lebih permanen, sudah ada LSM,

a small school has opened.

ada sekolah kecil yang dibuka.

But the thing is that the refugees have stayed for a longer time,

Para pengungsi telah menetap di sana untuk waktu lebih lama,

and the French government has managed to seal off the borders better,

dan pemerintah Perancis berhasil menutup perbatasan dengan lebih baik,

so now The Jungle is growing,

jadi The Jungle berkembang,

along with the despair and hopelessness among the refugees.

bersamaan dengan keputus-asaan para pengungsi.

BG: Are you planning to go back? And continue the reporting?

BG: Apa Anda berencana kembali? Dan meneruskan laporan ini?

TC: Yes.

TC: Iya.

BG: Anders, I'm a former journalist,

BG: Anders, saya mantan wartawan,

and to me, it's amazing that in the current climate

dan bagi saya, menakjubkan bahwa

dalam kondisi krisis yang melanda penerbit saat ini dengan pemotongan anggaran,

of slashing budgets and publishers in crisis,

Dagbladet has consented so many resources for this story,

Dagbladet bersedia mengeluarkan banyak sumber daya untuk cerita ini,

which tells a lot about newspapers taking the responsibility,

yang berkata banyak tentang koran mengambil tanggung jawab,

but how did you sell it to your editors?

tapi bagaimana Anda meyakinkan editor Anda?

Anders Fjellberg: It wasn't easy at first,

Anders Fjellberg: Tidak mudah awalnya,

because we weren't able to know what we actually could figure out.

karena kami tidak tahu apa yang bisa kami cari tahu.

As soon as it became clear

Begitu mulai jelas

that we actually could be able to identify who the first one was,

bahwa kami bisa mengenali identitas jenazah yang pertama,

we basically got the message that we could do whatever we wanted,

kami mendapat lampu hijau untuk melakukan apa yang kami mau,

just travel wherever you need to go, do whatever you need to do,

pergi ke mana dibutuhkan, melakukan apa saja yang perlu dilakukan,

just get this done.

yang penting menyelesaikan ini.

BG: That's an editor taking responsibility.

BG: Itu editor yang bertanggung jawab.

The story, by the way, has been translated and published

Ceritanya telah diterjemahkan dan diterbitkan

across several European countries, and certainly will continue to do.

di beberapa negara Eropa, dan tentu akan terus menyebar.

Kami ingin baca berita terbaru dari Anda. Terima kasih Anders dan Tomm.

And we want to read the updates from you. Thank you Anders. Thank you Tomm.

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