The biology of our best and worst selves | Robert Sapolsky

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Prevodilac: Milenka Okuka Lektor: Mile Živković
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Chris Anderson: So Robert spent the last few years
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Kris Anderson: Robert je proveo poslednjih nekoliko godina
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think about how weird human behavior is,
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razmišljajući koliko je čudno ljudsko ponašanje
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and how inadequate most of our language trying to explain it is.
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i koliko je nepodesan naš jezik u pokušaju da to objasnimo.
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And it's very exciting to hear him explain some of the thinking behind it
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Te je veoma uzbudljivo slušati ga kako objašnjava rezonovanje iza toga
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in public for the first time.
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prvi put u javnosti.
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Over to you now, Robert Sapolsky.
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Prebacujemo na tebe, Roberte Sapolski.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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Robert Sapolsky: Thank you.
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Robert Sapolski: Hvala vam.
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The fantasy always runs something like this.
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Fantazija se uvek odvija na sledeći način.
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I've overpowered his elite guard,
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Savladao sam njegovu elitnu stražu,
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burst into his secret bunker
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upao sam u njegov tajni bunker
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with my machine gun ready.
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sa puškom na gotovs.
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He lunges for his Luger.
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On se baca po svoj luger.
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I knock it out of his hand.
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Izbijam mu ga iz ruke.
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He lunges for his cyanide pill.
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Baca se na pilulu cijanida.
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I knock that out of his hand.
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Izbijam mu je iz ruke.
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He snarls,
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On reži,
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comes at me with otherworldly strength.
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napada me nadljudskom snagom.
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We grapple, we fight,
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Rvemo se, tučemo,
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I manage to pin him down
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uspevam da ga oborim
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and put on handcuffs.
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i stavim mu lisice.
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"Adolf Hitler," I say,
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"Adolfe Hitleru", kažem,
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"I arrest you for crimes against humanity."
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"Hapsim te zbog zločina protiv čovečnosti."
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Here's where the Medal of Honor version of the fantasy ends
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Ova verzija fantazije se završava ovde sa ordenom časti
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and the imagery darkens.
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i prizor tamni.
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What would I do if I had Hitler?
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Šta bih uradio kad bih imao Hitlera?
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It's not hard to imagine once I allow myself.
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Nije teško zamisliti, čim budem pripravan na to.
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Sever his spine at the neck.
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Prekinem mu kičmu u vratu.
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Take out his eyes with a blunt instrument.
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Izvadim mu oči tupim predmetom.
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Puncture his eardrums. Cut out his tongue.
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Probijem mu bubne opne. Odrežem jezik.
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Leave him alive on a respirator,
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Ostavim ga da živi na respiratoru,
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tube-fed, not able to speak or move or see or hear, just to feel,
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jede na cevčicu, bez mogućnosti gvora ili kretanja ili vida ili sluha, samo oseća,
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and then inject him with something cancerous
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a potom mu ubrizgam nešto kancerogeno
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that's going to fester and pustulate
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što će da se gnoji i pupi
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until every cell in his body is screaming in agony,
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sve dok svaka ćelija u njegovom telu zavapi u agoniji,
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until every second feels like an eternity in hell.
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sve dok svaki sekund ne bude odavao utisak večnosti u paklu.
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That's what I would do to Hitler.
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To bih uradio Hitleru.
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I've had this fantasy since I was a kid,
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Maštam o tome otkad sam bio dete,
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still do sometimes,
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još uvek ponekad maštam,
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and when I do, my heart speeds up --
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a kada se to desi, srce mi ubrza -
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all these plans for the most evil, wicked soul in history.
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svi ti planovi za najzlobniju, najopakiju dušu u istoriji.
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But there's a problem,
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Međutim, ima jedan problem,
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which is I don't actually believe in souls or evil,
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a to je da zapravo ne verujem u duše, niti u zlo
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and I think wicked belongs in a musical.
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i mislim da je opačini mesto u mjuziklu.
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But there's some people I would like to see killed,
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Ali postoje neki ljudi koje bih voleo da vidim mrtve,
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but I'm against the death penalty.
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ali sam protiv smrtne kazne.
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But I like schlocky violent movies,
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Međutim, volim niskobudžetne nasilne filmove,
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but I'm for strict gun control.
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ali sam za strogu kontrolu oružja.
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But then there was a time I was at a laser tag place,
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Ali onda onaj jedan put kad sam bio u lasertag igraonici
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and I had such a good time hiding in a corner shooting at people.
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i proveo sam se tako dobro, skrivajući se u uglu i pucajući u ljude.
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In other words, I'm your basic confused human when it comes to violence.
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Drugim rečima, kada se radi o nasilju ja sam vam obično zbunjeno ljudsko biće.
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Now, as a species, we obviously have problems with violence.
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Sad, kao vrsta, očigledno da imamo problem s nasiljem.
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We use shower heads to deliver poison gas,
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Koristimo tuševe da isporučimo otrovni plin,
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letters with anthrax, airplanes as weapons,
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pisma s antraksom, avione kao oružje,
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mass rape as a military strategy.
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masovna silovanja kao vojnu strategiju.
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We're a miserably violent species.
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Užasno smo nasilna vrsta.
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But there's a complication,
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Međutim, u tome je složenost,
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which is we don't hate violence,
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mi ne mrzimo nasilje,
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we hate the wrong kind.
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mrzimo pogrešan vid nasilja.
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And when it's the right kind,
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A kad se radi o odgovarajućem,
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we cheer it on, we hand out medals,
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navijamo za njega, dodeljujemo odličja,
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we vote for, we mate with our champions of it.
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glasamo, parimo se sa šampionima nasilja.
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When it's the right kind of violence,
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Kada je odgovarajući vid nasilja,
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we love it.
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volimo ga.
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And there's another complication,
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A tu je nova složenost,
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which is, in addition to us being this miserably violent species,
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a to je, uz to što smo užasno nasilna vrsta,
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we're also this extraordinarily altruistic, compassionate one.
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takođe smo i izvanredno altruistična, saosećajna vrsta.
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So how do you make sense of the biology of our best behaviors,
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Pa, kako da shvatite biologiju našeg najboljeg ponašanja,
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our worst ones and all of those ambiguously in between?
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našeg najgoreg i svih tih dvosmislenih ponašanja između?
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Now, for starters,
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Sad, za početak,
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what's totally boring is understanding the motoric aspects of the behavior.
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potpuno je dosadno razumevanje motoričkih aspekata ponašanja.
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Your brain tells your spine, tells your muscles
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Vaš mozak saopšti vašoj kičmi, saopšti vašim mišićima
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to do something or other,
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da urade ovo ili ono,
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and hooray, you've behaved.
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i, ura, ispoljili ste ponašanje.
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What's hard is understanding the meaning of the behavior,
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Teško je razumeti značenje ponašanja
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because in some settings, pulling a trigger is an appalling act;
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jer u nekim okolnostima je pritisnuti obarač odvratan čin;
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in others, it's heroically self-sacrificial.
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u drugim je herojski samopožrtvovan.
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In some settings, putting your hand one someone else's
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U nekim okolnostima, staviti ruku na nečiju drugu
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is deeply compassionate.
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je duboko saosećajan čin.
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In others, it's a deep betrayal.
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U drugim, radi se o istinskoj izdaji.
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The challenge is to understand
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Izazov je razumeti
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the biology of the context of our behaviors,
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biologiju konteksta našeg ponašanja,
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and that's real tough.
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a to je zaista teško.
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One thing that's clear, though, is you're not going to get anywhere
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Jedno je jasno, ipak, a to je da nećete nigde stići,
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if you think there's going to be the brain region or the hormone
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ako mislite da postoji deo mozga ili hormon
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or the gene or the childhood experience
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ili gen ili iskustvo iz detinjstva
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or the evolutionary mechanism that explains everything.
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ili evolutivni mehanizam koji sve objašnjava.
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Instead, every bit of behavior has multiple levels of causality.
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Umesto toga, svaki delić ponašanja ima višestruke nivoe uzročnosti.
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Let's look at an example.
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Pogledajmo jedan primer.
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You have a gun.
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Imate pištolj.
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There's a crisis going on:
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U toku je kriza:
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rioting, violence, people running around.
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nemiri, nasilje, ljudi jurcaju okolo.
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A stranger is running at you in an agitated state --
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Stranac trči ka vama u stanju uzrujanosti -
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you can't quite tell if the expression is frightened, threatening, angry --
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ne možete da odlučite da li izgleda uplašeno, preteće, ljutito -
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holding something that kind of looks like a handgun.
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drži nešto što nekako liči na pištolj.
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You're not sure.
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Niste sigurni.
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The stranger comes running at you
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Stranac trči ka vama
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and you pull the trigger.
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i vi povlačite obarač.
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And it turns out that thing in this person's hand
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A ispostavlja se da je ova osoba držala u ruci
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was a cell phone.
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mobilni telefon.
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So we asked this biological question:
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Te postavljamo ovo biološko pitanje:
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what was going on that caused this behavior?
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šta se dešavalo što je uzrokovalo ovo ponašanje?
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What caused this behavior?
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Šta je uzrokovalo ovo ponašanje?
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And this is a multitude of questions.
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A to je mnoštvo pitanja.
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We start.
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Počinjemo.
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What was going on in your brain one second before you pulled that trigger?
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Šta se dešavalo u vašem mozgu sekund pre nego što ste povukli obarač?
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And this brings us into the realm of a brain region called the amygdala.
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A to nas vodi u oblast dela mozga koji se naziva amigdalom.
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The amygdala, which is central to violence, central to fear,
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Amigdala, koja je centar za nasilje, centar za strah,
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initiates volleys of cascades
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započinje bujicu mentalnih procesa
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that produce pulling of a trigger.
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koji rezultiraju povlačenjem obarača.
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What was the level of activity in your amygdala one second before?
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Koji je nivo aktivnosti u vašoj amigdali sekund pre čina?
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But to understand that, we have to step back a little bit.
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Ali da bismo razumeli to, moramo još malo da se vratimo.
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What was going on in the environment seconds to minutes before
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Šta se dešavalo u okruženju sekundama i minutima ranije
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that impacted the amygdala?
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što je uticalo na amigdalu?
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Now, obviously, the sights, the sounds of the rioting,
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Sad, očito, prizor, zvuci nemira,
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that was pertinent.
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to je bilo značajno.
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But in addition,
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Ali uz to,
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you're more likely to mistake a cell phone for a handgun
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veća je verovatnoća da pomešate mobilni telefon za pištolj,
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if that stranger was male
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ako je taj stranac muškarac
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and large and of a different race.
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i ako je visok i druge rase.
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Furthermore, if you're in pain,
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Dodatno, ako osećate bol,
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if you're hungry, if you're exhausted,
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ako ste gladni, ako ste iscrpljeni,
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your frontal cortex is not going to work as well,
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vaš prednji korteks neće tako dobro da funkcioniše,
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part of the brain whose job it is to get to the amygdala in time
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a to je deo mozga čiji je posao da na vreme stigne do amigdale
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saying, "Are you really sure that's a gun there?"
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govoreći: "Da li si zaista sigurna da je to pištolj?"
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But we need to step further back.
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Ali moramo još da se vratimo.
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Now we have to look at hours to days before,
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Sad moramo da posmatramo sate i dane ranije,
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and with this, we have entered the realm of hormones.
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a time ulazimo u oblast hormona.
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For example, testosterone,
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Na primer, testosteron,
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where regardless of your sex,
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gde bez obzira na rod,
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if you have elevated testosterone levels in your blood,
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ako su vam povišeni nivoi testosterona u krvi,
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you're more likely to think a face with a neutral expression
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skoniji ste da mislite kako lice s neutralnim izrazom
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is instead looking threatening.
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zapravo izgleda preteće.
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Elevated testosterone levels, elevated levels of stress hormones,
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Povišeni nivoi testosterona, povišeni nivoi hormona stresa
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and your amygdala is going to be more active
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i vaša amigdala će da bude aktivnija,
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and your frontal cortex will be more sluggish.
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a vaš prednji korteks će da bude tromiji.
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Pushing back further, weeks to months before,
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Pomerajući se nazad još više, nedeljama i mesecima ranije,
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where's the relevance there?
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šta je tu relevantno?
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This is the realm of neural plasticity,
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Ovo je oblast nervne plastičnosti,
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the fact that your brain can change in response to experience,
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činjenice da se vaš mozak može promeniti, reagujući na iskustvo,
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and if your previous months have been filled with stress and trauma,
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a ako su vam prethodni meseci bili ispunjeni stresom i traumama,
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your amygdala will have enlarged.
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vaša amigdala će da bude uvećana.
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The neurons will have become more excitable,
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Neuroni će da postanu više nadraženi,
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your frontal cortex would have atrophied,
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vaš prednji korteks je atrofirao,
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all relevant to what happens in that one second.
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a sve je to važno za ono što se dešava u toj jednoj sekundi.
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But we push back even more, back years,
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Ali odlazimo još više unazad, godinama unazad,
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back, for example, to your adolescence.
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nazad, na primer, u vašu adolescenciju.
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Now, the central fact of the adolescent brain
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Sad, ključna činjenica za mozak adolescenata
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is all of it is going full blast
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je da sav treperi
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except the frontal cortex,
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osim prednjeg korteksa,
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which is still half-baked.
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koji je i dalje polugotov.
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It doesn't fully mature until you're around 25.
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Ne sazreva u potpunosti do vaše 25 godine.
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And thus, adolescence and early adulthood
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I stoga su adolescencija i rano zrelo doba
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are the years where environment and experience sculpt your frontal cortex
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godine kada okolina i iskustvo oblikuju vaš prednji korteks
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into the version you're going to have as an adult in that critical moment.
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u verziju koju ćete da imate kao odrasli, u tom kritičnom trenutku.
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But pushing back even further,
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Ali vraćajući se još više unazad,
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even further back to childhood and fetal life
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čak još više do detinjstva i fetusa
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and all the different versions that that could come in.
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i svih različitih verzija koje su mogle da nastanu.
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Now, obviously, that's the time that your brain is being constructed,
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Sad, očito da je to razdoblje kada je izgrađen vaš mozak,
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and that's important,
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a to je važno,
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but in addition, experience during those times
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ali uz to, iskustvo u tom periodu
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produce what are called epigenetic changes,
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proizvodi nešto što se naziva epigenetičkim promenama,
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permanent, in some cases,
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trajnim, u nekim slučajevima,
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permanently activating certain genes, turning off others.
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trajno aktivirajući određene gene, isključujući druge.
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And as an example of this,
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A kao primer za ovo,
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if as a fetus you were exposed to a lot of stress hormones through your mother,
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ako ste kao fetus bili izloženi gomili hormona stresa preko vaše majke,
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epigenetics is going to produce your amygdala in adulthood
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epigenetika će da iznedri da amigdala kad odrastete
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as a more excitable form,
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bude u nadraženijem obliku,
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and you're going to have elevated stress hormone levels.
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i imaćete povišene nivoe hormona stresa.
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But pushing even further back,
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Ali idući još više unazad,
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back to when you were just a fetus,
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nazad do kad ste bili tek fetus,
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back to when all you were was a collection of genes.
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nazad kada ste bili zbirka gena.
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Now, genes are really important to all of this,
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Sad, geni su zaista važni za sve ovo,
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but critically, genes don't determine anything,
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ali ključno je da geni ne određuju bilo šta
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because genes work differently in different environments.
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jer geni različito deluju u različitim sredinama.
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Key example here:
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Ovde imamo ključni primer:
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there's a variant of a gene called MAO-A,
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imamo varijantu gena pod nazivom MAO-A,
08:24
and if you have that variant,
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a ako imate tu varijantu,
08:26
you are far more likely to commit antisocial violence
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skloniji ste izvršenju asocijalnog nasilja,
08:31
if, and only if, you were abused as a child.
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ako, i samo ako, ste zlostavljani kao dete.
08:35
Genes and environment interact,
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Geni i okolina interaguju
08:37
and what's happening in that one second before you pull that trigger
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i ono što se dešava u toj sekundi pre nego što pritisnete obarač
08:41
reflects your lifetime of those gene-environment interactions.
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odražava životni vek interakcije između gena i okoline.
08:46
Now, remarkably enough, we've got to push even further back now,
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Sad, još je neverovatnije, moramo da se vratimo još dalje unazad,
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back centuries.
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vekovima unazad.
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What were your ancestors up to.
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Čime su se zanimali vaši preci.
08:53
And if, for example, they were nomadic pastoralists,
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A ako su, na primer, bili nomadski stočari,
08:57
they were pastoralists,
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bili su stočari,
08:58
people living in deserts or grasslands
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ljudi koji su živeli u pustinjama ili na pašnjacima
09:00
with their herds of camels, cows, goats,
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sa svojim stadom kamila, krava, koza,
09:03
odds are they would have invented what's called a culture of honor
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sve su prilike da su izmislili nešto što se naziva kulturom časti,
09:07
filled with warrior classes,
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ispunjenom klasom ratnika,
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retributive violence, clan vendettas,
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osvetoljubivog nasilja, klanskih krvnih osveta
09:12
and amazingly, centuries later,
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i, neverovatno, vekovima kasnije,
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that would still be influencing the values with which you were raised.
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to bi i dalje uticalo na vrednosti na kojima ste vaspitani.
09:19
But we've got to push even further back,
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Ali moramo da se vratimo još dalje,
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back millions of years,
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milionima godina unazad
09:23
because if we're talking about genes,
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jer ako govorimo o genima,
09:25
implicitly we're now talking about the evolution of genes.
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implicitno sad govorimo o evoluciji gena.
09:29
And what you see is, for example,
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A ono što vidite, na primer,
09:31
patterns across different primate species.
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su obrasci širom različitih vrsta primata.
09:34
Some of them have evolved for extremely low levels of aggression,
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Neki su evoluirali da imaju izuzetno niske nivoe agresivnosti,
09:38
others have evolved in the opposite direction,
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drugi su evoluirali u suprotnom smeru,
09:41
and floating there in between by every measure are humans,
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a negde između, prema svim merenjima, lebde ljudska bića,
09:44
once again this confused, barely defined species
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opet, ova zbunjena, jedva definisana vrsta
09:48
that has all these potentials to go one way or the other.
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koja ima sav potencijal da ide u bilo kom smeru.
09:53
So what has this gotten us to?
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Pa, dokle nas je ovo dovelo?
09:55
Basically, what we're seeing here is,
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U suštini, ovde vidimo sledeće,
09:57
if you want to understand a behavior,
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ako želite da razumete ponašanje,
09:59
whether it's an appalling one, a wondrous one,
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bilo da se radi o užasavajućem ili čudesnom
10:02
or confusedly in between,
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ili zbunjujućem između,
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if you want to understand that,
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ako želite to da razumete,
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you've got take into account what happened a second before
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morate da uzmete u obzir šta se desilo sekund ranije
10:08
to a million years before,
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do milionima godina ranije,
10:10
everything in between.
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sve između toga.
10:11
So what can we conclude at this point?
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Pa, šta možemo da zaključimo u ovom trenutku?
10:13
Officially, it's complicated.
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Zvanično, složeno je.
10:16
Wow, that's really helpful.
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Ala je to od pomoći!
10:17
It's complicated,
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Složeno je
10:19
and you'd better be real careful, real cautious
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i bolje da budete oprezni, krajnje obazrivi
10:22
before you conclude you know what causes a behavior,
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pre nego što zaključite da znate šta uzrokuje ponašanje,
10:26
especially if it's a behavior you're judging harshly.
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naročito ako se radi o ponašanju koje strogo osuđujete.
10:30
Now, to me, the single most important point about all of this
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Sad, meni je najvažnija svrha svega ovoga
10:34
is one having to do with change.
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ona koja ima veze s promenom.
10:36
Every bit of biology I have mentioned here can change in different circumstances.
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Svaki deo biologije koji sam ovde pomenuo može se izmeniti u različitim okolnostima.
10:43
For example, ecosystems change.
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Na primer, ekosistemi se menjaju.
10:46
Thousands of years ago, the Sahara was a lush grassland.
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Hiljadama godina ranije, Sahara je bila bujan pašnjak.
10:50
Cultures change.
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Kulture se menjaju.
10:52
In the 17th century, the most terrifying people in Europe were the Swedes,
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U XVII veku su najstrašniji ljudi u Evropi bili Šveđani,
10:56
rampaging all over the place.
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pustošili su svuda.
10:58
This is what the Swedish military does now.
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Evo šta švedska vojska trenutno radi.
11:00
They haven't had a war in 200 years.
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Nisu ratovali 200 godina.
11:03
Most importantly,
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Najvažnije,
11:04
brains change.
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mozgovi se menjaju.
11:06
Neurons grow new processes.
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Neuroni razvijaju nove procese.
11:08
Circuits disconnect.
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Sinapse se prekidaju.
11:09
Everything in the brain changes,
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Sve se u mozgu menja,
11:11
and out of this come extraordinary examples of human change.
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i iz ovoga prozilaze neverovatni primeri ljudske promene.
11:17
First one:
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Prvi primer:
11:18
this is a man named John Newton,
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ovo je čovek po imenu Džon Njutn,
11:20
a British theologian
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britanski teolog
11:21
who played a central role in the abolition of slavery from the British Empire
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koji je odigrao ključnu ulogu u ukidanju ropstva od strane Britanskog carstva
11:26
in the early 1800s.
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ranih 1800-ih.
11:28
And amazingly, this man spent decades as a younger man
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I začuđujuće, ovaj čovek je proveo decenije kao mlađi čovek
11:33
as the captain of a slave ship,
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kao kapetan na brodu robova,
11:35
and then as an investor in slavery,
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a potom kao investitor u robovlasništvo,
11:38
growing rich from this.
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bogateći se time.
11:40
And then something changed.
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A potom se nešto promenilo.
11:43
Something changed in him,
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U njemu se nešto promenilo,
11:45
something that Newton himself celebrated in the thing that he's most famous for,
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nešto što je sam Njutn proslavio u onome po čemu je najčuveniji,
11:50
a hymn that he wrote:
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himni koju je napisao:
11:51
"Amazing Grace."
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"Prekrasna milost".
11:54
This is a man named Zenji Abe on the morning of December 6, 1941,
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Ovo je čovek po imenu Zenđi Abe u jutro 6. decembra 1941,
11:59
about to lead a squadron of Japanese bombers to attack Pearl Harbor.
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sprema se da predvodi japansku bombašku eskadrilu u napadu na Perl Harbor.
12:04
And this is the same man 50 years later to the day
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A ovo je isti taj čovek 50 godina nakon tog dana,
12:08
hugging a man who survived the attack on the ground.
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grli čoveka koji je preživeo napad na tlu.
12:11
And as an old man,
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A kao starac,
12:13
Zenji Abe came to a collection of Pearl Harbor survivors
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Zenđi Abe je došao na skup preživelih iz Perl Harbora,
12:17
at a ceremony there
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na njihovu ceremoniju
12:19
and in halting English apologized for what he had done as a young man.
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i na kolebljivom engleskom se izvinio za ono što je uradio kao mladić.
12:24
Now, it doesn't always require decades.
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Sad, nisu uvek potrebne decenije.
12:26
Sometimes, extraordinary change could happen in just hours.
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Ponekad izvanredna promena može da se desi za svega nekoliko sati.
12:30
Consider the World War I Christmas truce of 1914.
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Setite se Prvog svetskog rata i Božićnog primirja iz 1914.
12:34
The powers that be had negotiated a brief truce
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Tadašnje sile su se dogovorile o kratkom primirju
12:37
so that soldiers could go out,
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kako bi vojnici mogli da izađu,
12:39
collect bodies from no-man's-land in between the trench lines.
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sakupe tela iz ničije zemlje, između redova rovova.
12:43
And soon British and German soldiers
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I uskoro su britanski i nemački vojnici
12:46
were doing that,
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počeli to da rade,
12:47
and then helping each other carry bodies,
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a potom su pomagali jedni drugima da nose tela,
12:50
and then helping each other dig graves in the frozen ground,
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a potom su međusobno pomagali u kopanju grobova u smrzloj zemlji,
12:53
and then praying together,
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a potom su se zajedno molili,
12:55
and then having Christmas together and exchanging gifts,
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a potom su slavili Božić zajedno i razmenili su poklone,
12:58
and by the next day, they were playing soccer together
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a već sledećeg dana su zajedno igrali fudbal
13:01
and exchanging addresses so they could meet after the war.
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i razmenjivali adrese kako bi se sreli nakon rata.
13:04
That truce kept going until the officers had to arrive
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Primirje se nastavilo sve dok oficiri nisu morali da stignu
13:08
and said, "We will shoot you
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i kažu: "Upucaćemo vas,
13:10
unless you go back to trying to kill each other."
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ako se ne vratite međusobnom ubijanju."
13:12
And all it took here was hours
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A ovde su jedino sati bili u pitanju
13:14
for these men to develop a completely new category of "us,"
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da bi ovi muškarci razvili novu kategoriju "nas",
13:19
all of us in the trenches here
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svi mi u ovim rovovima,
13:21
on both sides, dying for no damn reason,
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na obe strane, umiremo bez ikakvog prokletog razloga,
13:23
and who is a "them," those faceless powers behind the lines
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i ko su "oni", ta bezlična sila iz pozadine
13:27
who were using them as pawns.
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koja ih koristi kao pione.
13:30
And sometimes, change can occur in seconds.
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A ponekad se promena desi za nekoliko sekundi.
13:34
Probably the most horrifying event in the Vietnam War
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Verovatno je najužasniji događaj u Vijetnamskom ratu
13:37
was the My Lai Massacre.
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bio Masakr u Mi Laju.
13:39
A brigade of American soldiers
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Brigada američkih vojnika
13:41
went into an undefended village full of civilians
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je ušla u nebranjeno selo puno civila
13:44
and killed between 350 and 500 of them,
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i ubila između 350 i 500 Vijetnamaca,
13:48
mass-raped women and children,
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masovno su silovali žene i decu,
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mutilated bodies.
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kasapili su tela.
13:52
It was appalling.
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Bilo je užasno.
13:54
It was appalling because it occurred, because the government denied it,
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Bilo je užasno zato što se desilo, zato što je vlada to poricala
13:58
because the US government eventually did nothing more than a slap on the wrist,
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zato što je vlada SAD-a na kraju samo blago kaznila prestupnike
14:02
and appalling because it almost certainly was not a singular event.
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i užasno zato što gotovo izvesno ovo nije bio izolovan događaj.
14:07
This man, Hugh Thompson, this is the man who stopped the My Lai Massacre.
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Ovaj čovek, Hju Tompson, ovo je čovek koji je zaustavio Masakr u Mi Laju.
14:12
He was piloting a helicopter gunship,
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Pilotirao je helikopterom koji je nosio municiju,
14:14
landed there, got out
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sleteo je tamo, izašao
14:16
and saw American soldiers shooting babies,
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i video američke vojnike kako pucaju u bebe,
14:19
shooting old women,
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pucaju u starice,
14:21
figured out what was going on,
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shvatio je o čemu se radi,
14:23
and he then took his helicopter
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a potom je uzeo helikopter
14:25
and did something that undid his lifetime of conditioning
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i uradio je nešto što je izbrisalo njegovo celoživotno uslovljavanje
14:29
as to who is an "us" and who is a "them."
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u smislu ko smo "mi", a ko su "oni".
14:31
He landed his helicopter
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Sleteo je helikopterom
14:33
in between some surviving villagers and American soldiers
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između nekolicine preživelih seljana i američkih vojnika
14:36
and he trained his machine guns on his fellow Americans,
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i naciljao je svoje mitraljeze u svoju braću Amerikance
14:40
and said, "If you don't stop the killing, I will mow you down."
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i rekao: "Ako ne prekinete s ubijanjem, sve ću da vas pokosim."
14:46
Now, these people are no more special than any of us.
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Sad, ovi ljudi nisu nešto posebno u odnosu na bilo kog od nas.
14:49
Same neurons, same neurochemicals,
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Isti neuroni, iste neurohemikalije,
14:51
same biology.
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ista biologija.
14:54
What we're left with here is this inevitable cliche:
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Ovde nam preostaje samo taj neizbežni kliše:
14:57
"Those who don't study history are destined to repeat it."
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"Oni koji ne izučavaju istoriju, osuđeni su da je ponove."
15:00
What we have here is the opposite of it.
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Ovde imamo suprotno tome.
15:02
Those who don't study the history of extraordinary human change,
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Oni koji ne izučavaju istoriju neverovatnih ljudskih promena,
15:06
those who don't study the biology of what can transform us
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oni koji ne izučavaju biologiju onoga što može da nas preoblikuje
15:10
from our worst to our best behaviors,
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od najgoreg do najboljeg ponašanja,
15:12
those who don't do this are destined not to be able
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oni koji to ne urade su osuđeni da ne budu u stanju
15:16
to repeat these incandescent, magnificent moments.
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da ponove ove prosvetljujuće, veličanstvene trenutke.
15:20
So thank you.
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Zato, hvala vam.
15:21
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
15:31
CA: Talks that really give you a new mental model about something,
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KA: Govori koji vam zaista pružaju novi mentalni model o nečemu,
15:35
those are some of my favorite TED Talks,
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to su mi među omiljenim TED govorima,
15:37
and we just got one.
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a upravo smo čuli takav.
15:39
Robert, thank you so much for that. Good luck with the book.
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Roberte, mnogo ti hvala za to. Srećno s knjigom.
15:42
That was amazing,
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Ovo je bilo prekrasno
15:43
and we're going to try and get you to come here in person one year.
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i pokušaćemo da te ubedimo da jedne godine lično budeš tu.
15:47
Thank you so much.
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Mnogo ti hvala.
15:48
RS: Thank you. Thank you all.
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RS: Hvala vam. Hvala vam svima.
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