The biology of our best and worst selves | Robert Sapolsky

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Prevoditelj: Senzos Osijek Recezent: Ivan Stamenković
00:12
Chris Anderson: So Robert spent the last few years
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Chris Anderson: Robert je proveo zadnjih nekoliko godina
00:15
think about how weird human behavior is,
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razmišljajući kako je čudno ljudsko ponašanje,
00:17
and how inadequate most of our language trying to explain it is.
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te kako je većina našeg jezika nedovoljno da ga objasni.
00:21
And it's very exciting to hear him explain some of the thinking behind it
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Vrlo je uzbudljivo čuti ga kako objašnjava neka razmišljanja iza toga
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in public for the first time.
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po prvi put u javnosti.
00:27
Over to you now, Robert Sapolsky.
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Sada ste vi na redu, Robert Sapolsky.
00:30
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
00:34
Robert Sapolsky: Thank you.
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Robert Sapolsky: Hvala vam.
00:36
The fantasy always runs something like this.
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Fantazija uvijek ide ovako nekako.
00:39
I've overpowered his elite guard,
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Pobijedio sam njegovu elitnu gardu,
00:41
burst into his secret bunker
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provalio u njegov tajni bunker
00:43
with my machine gun ready.
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sa spremnom strojnicom.
00:45
He lunges for his Luger.
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On poseže za svojim Lugerom.
00:47
I knock it out of his hand.
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Izbijam mu ga iz ruke.
00:49
He lunges for his cyanide pill.
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Poseže za svojom tabletom cijanida.
00:51
I knock that out of his hand.
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Izbijam mu i to iz ruke.
00:53
He snarls,
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On zareži,
00:54
comes at me with otherworldly strength.
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nasrne na mene sa izvanrednom snagom.
00:57
We grapple, we fight,
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Hrvamo se, borimo se,
00:58
I manage to pin him down
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Uspjevam ga savladati
01:00
and put on handcuffs.
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i staviti mu lisičine.
01:03
"Adolf Hitler," I say,
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"Adolfe Hitlere" kažem
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"I arrest you for crimes against humanity."
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„uhićeni ste za zločine protiv čovječnosti.“
01:09
Here's where the Medal of Honor version of the fantasy ends
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Ovo je gdje verzija fantazije Medalje časti završava
01:12
and the imagery darkens.
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i gdje slike zatamnjuju.
01:14
What would I do if I had Hitler?
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Što bih ja napravio da imam Hitlera?
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It's not hard to imagine once I allow myself.
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Nije teško zamisliti jednom kad si dopustim.
01:20
Sever his spine at the neck.
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Prerezao bi mu kralježnicu na razini vrata.
01:22
Take out his eyes with a blunt instrument.
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Iskopao bi mu oči tupim instrumentom.
01:25
Puncture his eardrums. Cut out his tongue.
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Probušio bubnjiće. Izrezao jezik.
01:27
Leave him alive on a respirator,
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Ostavio bih ga živog na respiratoru,
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tube-fed, not able to speak or move or see or hear, just to feel,
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hranjenog na cjevčicu, onemogućio govor kretanje, vid, sluh, samo da osjeti,
01:35
and then inject him with something cancerous
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i potom bih mu injicirao nešto kancerogeno
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that's going to fester and pustulate
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koje će se gnojiti i pustulirati
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until every cell in his body is screaming in agony,
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dok svaka stanica u njegovom tijelu ne bude vrištala u agoniji,
01:44
until every second feels like an eternity in hell.
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dok svaka sekunda ne bude kao vječnost u paklu.
01:49
That's what I would do to Hitler.
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To je ono što bih napravio Hitleru.
01:53
I've had this fantasy since I was a kid,
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Imam ovu fantaziju otkako sam bio dijete,
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still do sometimes,
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još uvijek imam nekad,
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and when I do, my heart speeds up --
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i kad imam, srce mi ubrza --
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all these plans for the most evil, wicked soul in history.
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svi ti planovi za najgoru, najizopačeniju dušu u povijesti.
02:05
But there's a problem,
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Ali postoji problem,
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which is I don't actually believe in souls or evil,
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koji je da zapravo ne vjerujem u dušu ili zlo,
02:09
and I think wicked belongs in a musical.
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i mislim da opakost spada u mjuzikl.
02:12
But there's some people I would like to see killed,
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Ali postoje ljudi koje bih volio vidjeti ubijene,
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but I'm against the death penalty.
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ali sam protiv smrtne kazne.
02:16
But I like schlocky violent movies,
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Ali volim jeftine, nasilne filmovi,
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but I'm for strict gun control.
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ali sam za strogu kontrolu oružja.
02:20
But then there was a time I was at a laser tag place,
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Ali opet bilo je vrijeme, kada sam bio na laser tag-u,
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and I had such a good time hiding in a corner shooting at people.
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i izvrsno se zabavljao sakrivajući se u kutu i pucajući na ljude.
02:28
In other words, I'm your basic confused human when it comes to violence.
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Drugim riječima, ja sam vaše osnovno zbunjeno ljudsko biće što se tiče nasilja.
02:33
Now, as a species, we obviously have problems with violence.
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Kao vrsta, očito imamo problema s nasiljem.
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We use shower heads to deliver poison gas,
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Koristimo tuševe za dostavu otrovnog plina,
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letters with anthrax, airplanes as weapons,
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pisma sa antraksom, avione kao oružja,
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mass rape as a military strategy.
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masovno silovanje kao vojnu strategiju.
02:45
We're a miserably violent species.
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Mi smo bijedno nasilna vrsta.
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But there's a complication,
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Ali postoji komplikacija,
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which is we don't hate violence,
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a to je da ne mrzimo nasilje,
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we hate the wrong kind.
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već mrzimo krivu vrstu nasilja.
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And when it's the right kind,
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A kada je prava vrsta,
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we cheer it on, we hand out medals,
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tada navijamo za nju, dajemo medalje,
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we vote for, we mate with our champions of it.
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glasamo za nju, parimo se s prvacima tog nasilja.
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When it's the right kind of violence,
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Kada je prava vrsta nasilja,
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we love it.
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obožavamo ga.
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And there's another complication,
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I postoji još jedna komplikacija,
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which is, in addition to us being this miserably violent species,
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a to je, uz to što smo takva bijedno nasilna vrsta,
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we're also this extraordinarily altruistic, compassionate one.
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mi smo također nevjerojatno altruistična, suosjećana vrsta.
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So how do you make sense of the biology of our best behaviors,
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Kako onda objašnjavate biologiju naših najboljih ponašanja,
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our worst ones and all of those ambiguously in between?
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naših najgorih te svih onih neodređeno između?
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Now, for starters,
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Sad, za početak,
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what's totally boring is understanding the motoric aspects of the behavior.
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ono što je stvarno dosadno jest razumjevanje motoričkog aspekta ponašanja.
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Your brain tells your spine, tells your muscles
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Vaš mozak kaže vašoj kralježnici koja kaže vašim mišićima
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to do something or other,
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da naprave ovo ili ono,
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and hooray, you've behaved.
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i hura, ponašali ste se.
03:34
What's hard is understanding the meaning of the behavior,
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Ono što je teško jest razumjevanje značenja ponašanja,
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because in some settings, pulling a trigger is an appalling act;
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jer u nekim okolnostima povlačenje okidača je strašan čin;
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in others, it's heroically self-sacrificial.
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a u drugima, to je herojski samožrtvujuće.
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In some settings, putting your hand one someone else's
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U nekim okolnostima, držanje nekoga za ruku
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is deeply compassionate.
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je duboko suosjećajno.
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In others, it's a deep betrayal.
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U drugima, to je duboka izdaja.
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The challenge is to understand
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Izazov je razumjeti
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the biology of the context of our behaviors,
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biologiju konteksta naših ponašanja,
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and that's real tough.
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i to je jako teško.
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One thing that's clear, though, is you're not going to get anywhere
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Jedna stvar koja je jasna, jest da nećete dospjeti nigdje
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if you think there's going to be the brain region or the hormone
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ako mislite da će postojati regija mozga ili hormon
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or the gene or the childhood experience
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ili gen ili iskustvo iz djetinjstva
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or the evolutionary mechanism that explains everything.
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ili evolucijski mehanizam koji objašnjava sve.
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Instead, every bit of behavior has multiple levels of causality.
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Umjesto toga, svaki komadić našeg ponašanja ima nekoliko razina uzročnosti.
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Let's look at an example.
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Pogledajmo primjer.
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You have a gun.
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Imate pištolj.
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There's a crisis going on:
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Odvija se krizna situacija:
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rioting, violence, people running around.
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Nered, nasilje, ljudi trče okolo.
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A stranger is running at you in an agitated state --
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Stranac trči prema vama u agitiranom stanju --
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you can't quite tell if the expression is frightened, threatening, angry --
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ne možete jasno razaznati je li izraz lica uplašen, prijeteći, ljut --
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holding something that kind of looks like a handgun.
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drži nešto što izgleda kao pištolj.
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You're not sure.
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Niste sigurni.
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The stranger comes running at you
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Stranac trči prema vama
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and you pull the trigger.
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i vi povučete okidač.
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And it turns out that thing in this person's hand
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I ispostavi se da je stvari njegovoj ruci
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was a cell phone.
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bila mobitel.
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So we asked this biological question:
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Pa smo mi zapitali ovo biološko pitanje:
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what was going on that caused this behavior?
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što se događalo da je uzrokovalo takvo ponašanje?
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What caused this behavior?
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Što je uzrokovalo takvo ponašanje?
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And this is a multitude of questions.
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I to je mnoštvo pitanja.
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We start.
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Počinjemo.
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What was going on in your brain one second before you pulled that trigger?
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Što se događalo u vašem mozgu jednu sekundu prije nego što ste povukli okidač?
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And this brings us into the realm of a brain region called the amygdala.
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I to nas dovodi u oblast regije mozga zvane amigdala.
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The amygdala, which is central to violence, central to fear,
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Amigdala, koja je centralna nasilju, centralna strahu,
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initiates volleys of cascades
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započinje bujicu kaskada
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that produce pulling of a trigger.
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koja proizvode povlačenje okiača.
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What was the level of activity in your amygdala one second before?
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Koja je bila razina aktivnosti u vašoj amigdali jednu sekundu prije?
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But to understand that, we have to step back a little bit.
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Ali kako bismo to razumjeli, trebamo se malo vratiti.
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What was going on in the environment seconds to minutes before
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Što se događalo u okolišu u sekundama, minutama prije
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that impacted the amygdala?
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što je utjecalo na amigdalu?
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Now, obviously, the sights, the sounds of the rioting,
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Sad, očito, prizori, zvukovi nereda,
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that was pertinent.
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to je bilo značajno.
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But in addition,
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Ali još k tome,
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you're more likely to mistake a cell phone for a handgun
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veća je vjerojatnost da ćete zamjeniti mobitel za pištolj
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if that stranger was male
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ako je stranac bio muškarac
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and large and of a different race.
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i velik i druge rase.
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Furthermore, if you're in pain,
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Nadalje, ako vas boli,
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if you're hungry, if you're exhausted,
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ako ste gladni, ako ste iscrpljeni,
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your frontal cortex is not going to work as well,
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vaš frontalni korteks također neće raditi,
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part of the brain whose job it is to get to the amygdala in time
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dio mozga čiji je posao da dođe do amigdale na vrijeme
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saying, "Are you really sure that's a gun there?"
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i kaže „Jesi li stvarno sigurna da je tamo pištolj?“
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But we need to step further back.
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Ali trebamo se još vratiti unazad.
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Now we have to look at hours to days before,
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Sada trebamo pogledati sate, dane prije
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and with this, we have entered the realm of hormones.
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i sa ovim, ušli smo u oblast hormona.
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For example, testosterone,
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Primjerice, testosteron
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where regardless of your sex,
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gdje bez obzira na vaš spol,
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if you have elevated testosterone levels in your blood,
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ako imate povišene razine testosterona u vašoj krvi,
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you're more likely to think a face with a neutral expression
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veća je vjerojatnost da ćete misliti da lice s neutralnim izrazom
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is instead looking threatening.
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izgleda prijeteće.
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Elevated testosterone levels, elevated levels of stress hormones,
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Povišene razine testosterona, povišene razine hormona stresa,
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and your amygdala is going to be more active
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i vaša amigdala će biti više aktivna
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and your frontal cortex will be more sluggish.
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a vaš frontalni korteks će biti više trom.
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Pushing back further, weeks to months before,
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Gledajući dalje unazad, tjednima do mjesecima prije,
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where's the relevance there?
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Gdje je ovdje relevantnost?
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This is the realm of neural plasticity,
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Ovo je oblast neuralne plastičnosti,
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the fact that your brain can change in response to experience,
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činjenice da se vaš mozak može promjeniti u odgovoru na iskustvo,
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and if your previous months have been filled with stress and trauma,
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i ako su vaši prethodni mjeseci bili ispunjeni stresom i traumom,
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your amygdala will have enlarged.
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vaša amigdala će se povećati.
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The neurons will have become more excitable,
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Neuroni će postati više podražljivi,
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your frontal cortex would have atrophied,
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vaš frontalni korteks će atrofirati,
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all relevant to what happens in that one second.
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sve relevantno za to što se dogodi u toj jednoj sekundi.
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But we push back even more, back years,
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Ali ako pogledamo još više unazad, godinama unazad,
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back, for example, to your adolescence.
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unazad, primjerice, u vašu adolescenciju.
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Now, the central fact of the adolescent brain
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Sad, glavna činjenica adolescentnog mozga
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is all of it is going full blast
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jest da cijeli ide punom parom
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except the frontal cortex,
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osim frontalnog korteksa,
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which is still half-baked.
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koji je još uvijek napola ispečen.
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It doesn't fully mature until you're around 25.
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Ne sazrijeva potpuno do vaše 25. godine.
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And thus, adolescence and early adulthood
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Zbog toga, adolescencija i mlada odrasla dob
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are the years where environment and experience sculpt your frontal cortex
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su godine gdje okoliš i iskustvo oblikuju vaš frontalni korteks
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into the version you're going to have as an adult in that critical moment.
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u verziju koju ćete imati kao odrasla osoba.
07:24
But pushing back even further,
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Ali ako pogledamo nazad još dalje,
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even further back to childhood and fetal life
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čak još dalje u djetinjstvo i fetalni život
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and all the different versions that that could come in.
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i sve različite verzije u kojima je to moglo doći.
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Now, obviously, that's the time that your brain is being constructed,
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Sad, očito, to je vrijeme kada se vaš mozak sastavlja,
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and that's important,
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i to je važno,
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but in addition, experience during those times
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ali k tome iskustvo tijekom toga vremena
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produce what are called epigenetic changes,
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proizvodi takozvane epigenetske promjene,
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permanent, in some cases,
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trajne, u nekim slučajevima,
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permanently activating certain genes, turning off others.
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trajno aktivirajući pojedine gene, a isključujući druge.
07:49
And as an example of this,
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I kao primjer ovoga,
07:51
if as a fetus you were exposed to a lot of stress hormones through your mother,
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ako ste kao fetus bili izloženi velikim količinama hormona stresa vaše majke,
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epigenetics is going to produce your amygdala in adulthood
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epigenetika će proizvesti vašu amigdalu u odrasloj dobi
07:59
as a more excitable form,
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kao više podražljiviji oblik,
08:01
and you're going to have elevated stress hormone levels.
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i imat će te povišene razine hormona stresa.
08:04
But pushing even further back,
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Ali gledajući još dalje unazad,
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back to when you were just a fetus,
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unazad kad ste bili samo fetus,
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back to when all you were was a collection of genes.
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kad se bili samo skupina gena.
08:11
Now, genes are really important to all of this,
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Sad, geni su važni u svemu ovome,
08:13
but critically, genes don't determine anything,
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ali kritično, geni ne odrođuju ništa,
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because genes work differently in different environments.
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jer geni različito funkcioniraju u različitim okolišima.
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Key example here:
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Ključan primjer ovdje:
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there's a variant of a gene called MAO-A,
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postoji varijanta jednog gena zvana MAO-A,
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and if you have that variant,
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i ako imate tu varijantu,
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you are far more likely to commit antisocial violence
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puno je veća vjerojatnost da ćete počiniti antisocijalno nasilje
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if, and only if, you were abused as a child.
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ako, i jedino ako, ste bili zlostavljani kao dijete.
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Genes and environment interact,
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Geni i okoliš uzajmno djeluju,
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and what's happening in that one second before you pull that trigger
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i ono što se događa u toj jednoj sekundi prije nego što povučete taj okidač
08:41
reflects your lifetime of those gene-environment interactions.
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odražava cijeli život tih interakcija između gena i okoliša.
08:46
Now, remarkably enough, we've got to push even further back now,
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Sad, izvanredno, trebamo se vratiti još i dalje sada,
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back centuries.
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unazad stoljećima.
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What were your ancestors up to.
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Što su vaši preci radili.
08:53
And if, for example, they were nomadic pastoralists,
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I ako, na primjer, su bili nomadski pastiri,
08:57
they were pastoralists,
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bili su pastiri,
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people living in deserts or grasslands
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ljudi koji žive po pustinjama i livadama
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with their herds of camels, cows, goats,
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sa svojim krdima deva, krava, koza,
09:03
odds are they would have invented what's called a culture of honor
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izgledi da su izumili ono što se zove kultura časti
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filled with warrior classes,
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ispunjena klasama ratnika,
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retributive violence, clan vendettas,
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odmazdnim nasiljem, klanovskim krvnim osvetama,
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and amazingly, centuries later,
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i nevjerojatno, stoljećima poslije,
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that would still be influencing the values with which you were raised.
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to bi još uvijek utjecalo na vrijednosti u kojima ste odgojeni.
09:19
But we've got to push even further back,
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Ali moramo se vratiti još više unazad,
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back millions of years,
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nazad milijunima godina,
09:23
because if we're talking about genes,
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jer ako pričamo o genima,
09:25
implicitly we're now talking about the evolution of genes.
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implicitno sada pričamo o evoluciji gena.
09:29
And what you see is, for example,
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I ono što vidite, na primjer,
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patterns across different primate species.
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su obrasci među različitim vrstama primata.
09:34
Some of them have evolved for extremely low levels of aggression,
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Neke od njih su evoluirale s ekstremno niskim razinama agresije,
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others have evolved in the opposite direction,
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dok su druge evoluirale u suprotnom smjeru,
09:41
and floating there in between by every measure are humans,
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a plutajući negdje između u svakoj mjeri su ljudi,
09:44
once again this confused, barely defined species
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još jednom ova zbunjena, jedva definirana vrsta,
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that has all these potentials to go one way or the other.
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koja ima sve ove potencijale da ide u jednom ili drugom smjeru.
09:53
So what has this gotten us to?
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Do čega nas je ovo dovelo?
09:55
Basically, what we're seeing here is,
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U osnovi, ono što vidimo ovdje je,
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if you want to understand a behavior,
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ako želite razumjeti neko ponašanje,
09:59
whether it's an appalling one, a wondrous one,
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bilo da je užasno ili čudesno,
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or confusedly in between,
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ili zbunjujući između,
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if you want to understand that,
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ako želite to razumjeti,
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you've got take into account what happened a second before
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morate uzeti u obzir što se dogodilo od sekundu prije
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to a million years before,
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do milijun godina prije,
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everything in between.
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te sve između.
10:11
So what can we conclude at this point?
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Što možemo zaključiti u ovom trenutku?
10:13
Officially, it's complicated.
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Službeno, komplicirano je.
10:16
Wow, that's really helpful.
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Vau, to jako pomaže.
10:17
It's complicated,
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Komplicirano je,
10:19
and you'd better be real careful, real cautious
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i najbolje vam je da bute jako oprezni, jako pažljivi
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before you conclude you know what causes a behavior,
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prije nego zaključite što uzrokuje neko ponašanje,
10:26
especially if it's a behavior you're judging harshly.
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pogotovo ako je to ponašanje koje teško osuđujete.
10:30
Now, to me, the single most important point about all of this
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Sad, za mene, najvažnija poanta svega ovoga
10:34
is one having to do with change.
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ima veze s promjenom.
10:36
Every bit of biology I have mentioned here can change in different circumstances.
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Svaki djelić biologije koji sam spomenuo se može promjeniti u drukčijim okolnostim.
10:43
For example, ecosystems change.
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Primjerice, ekosistemi se mjenjaju.
10:46
Thousands of years ago, the Sahara was a lush grassland.
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Tisućama godina prije, Sahara je bila bujni pašnjak.
10:50
Cultures change.
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Kulture se mijenjaju.
10:52
In the 17th century, the most terrifying people in Europe were the Swedes,
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U 17. stoljeću, najstrašniji ljudi europi su bili Šveđani,
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rampaging all over the place.
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divljajući svuda.
10:58
This is what the Swedish military does now.
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Ovo je što švedska vojska radi sada.
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They haven't had a war in 200 years.
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Nisu ratovali 200 godina.
11:03
Most importantly,
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Najvažnije,
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brains change.
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mozgovi se mijenjaju.
11:06
Neurons grow new processes.
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Neuronima izrastaju novi nastavci.
11:08
Circuits disconnect.
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Mreže se odspajaju.
11:09
Everything in the brain changes,
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Sve se u mozgu mijenja,
11:11
and out of this come extraordinary examples of human change.
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i iz ovoga dolaze nevjerojatni primjeri ljudske promjene.
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First one:
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Prvi primjer:
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this is a man named John Newton,
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ovo je čovjek po imenu John Newton,
11:20
a British theologian
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Britanski teolog
11:21
who played a central role in the abolition of slavery from the British Empire
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koji je igrao središnju ulogu u ukidanju ropstva u Britanskom Carstvu
11:26
in the early 1800s.
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u ranom 19. stoljeću.
11:28
And amazingly, this man spent decades as a younger man
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I nevjerojatno, ovaj čovjek je proveo desetljeća kao mlađi čovjek
11:33
as the captain of a slave ship,
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kao kapetan ropskog broda,
11:35
and then as an investor in slavery,
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a potom kao investitor u ropstvo,
11:38
growing rich from this.
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zarađujući od toga.
11:40
And then something changed.
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A potom se nešto promjenilo.
11:43
Something changed in him,
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Nešto se promjenilo u njemu,
11:45
something that Newton himself celebrated in the thing that he's most famous for,
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nešto što je sam Newton proslavio u stvari za koju je najpoznatiji,
11:50
a hymn that he wrote:
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u himni koju je napisao:
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"Amazing Grace."
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„Čudesna milost.“
11:54
This is a man named Zenji Abe on the morning of December 6, 1941,
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Ovo je čovjek po imenu Zenji Abe ujutro 6. prosinca, 1941.,
11:59
about to lead a squadron of Japanese bombers to attack Pearl Harbor.
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dok upravo vodi odred Japanskih bombardera u napad na Pearl Harbor.
12:04
And this is the same man 50 years later to the day
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A ovo je isti čovjek 50 godina poslije
12:08
hugging a man who survived the attack on the ground.
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grleći čovjeka koji je preživio napad na tlu.
12:11
And as an old man,
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I kao star čovjek,
12:13
Zenji Abe came to a collection of Pearl Harbor survivors
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Zenji Abe je došao do skupine ljudi koji su preživjeli Pearl Harbor
12:17
at a ceremony there
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na tamošnjoj ceremoniji
12:19
and in halting English apologized for what he had done as a young man.
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i na oklijevajućem engleskom ispričao se za stvari koje je učinio kao mlad čovjek.
12:24
Now, it doesn't always require decades.
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Sad, nisu uvijek potrebna desetljeća.
12:26
Sometimes, extraordinary change could happen in just hours.
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Nekad se izvanredna promjena može dogoditi u samo nekoliko sati.
12:30
Consider the World War I Christmas truce of 1914.
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Pogledajte primirje na Božić tijekom Prvog svjetskog rata 1914.
12:34
The powers that be had negotiated a brief truce
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Tadašnje sile su izpregovarale kratko primirje
12:37
so that soldiers could go out,
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kako bi vojnici mogli izaći van,
12:39
collect bodies from no-man's-land in between the trench lines.
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te prikupiti tijela iz ničje zemlje između rovova.
12:43
And soon British and German soldiers
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I ubrzo su britanski i njemački vojnici
12:46
were doing that,
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to radili,
12:47
and then helping each other carry bodies,
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i potom su pomagali jedni drugima nositi tijela,
12:50
and then helping each other dig graves in the frozen ground,
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te pomagali jedni drugima pri kopanju grobova u zamrznutoj zemlji,
12:53
and then praying together,
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i potom se molili zajedno,
12:55
and then having Christmas together and exchanging gifts,
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te slavili Božić zajedno i razmjenjivali darove,
12:58
and by the next day, they were playing soccer together
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te do idućeg dana su zajedno igrali nogomet
13:01
and exchanging addresses so they could meet after the war.
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i razmjenjivali adrese da se mogu vidjeti poslije rata.
13:04
That truce kept going until the officers had to arrive
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To primirje je trajalo dok činovnici nisu morali doći
13:08
and said, "We will shoot you
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i reći, „Pucat ćemo u vas
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unless you go back to trying to kill each other."
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ako se ne vratite nazad i pokušate pobiti jedni druge.“
13:12
And all it took here was hours
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I sve što je trebalo ovdje je nekoliko sati
13:14
for these men to develop a completely new category of "us,"
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za ove ljude da razviju potpuno novu kategoriju „nas“,
13:19
all of us in the trenches here
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svih nas ovdje u rovovima,
13:21
on both sides, dying for no damn reason,
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na obje strane, umirući bez ikakvog razloga,
13:23
and who is a "them," those faceless powers behind the lines
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i tko su neki „oni“, te bezlične snage iza linija
13:27
who were using them as pawns.
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koje su ih koristile za pijune.
13:30
And sometimes, change can occur in seconds.
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A ponekad se promjena može dogoditi u sekundama.
13:34
Probably the most horrifying event in the Vietnam War
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Vjerojatno najstrašniji događaj Vijetnamskog rata
13:37
was the My Lai Massacre.
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je bio My Lai masakr.
13:39
A brigade of American soldiers
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Brigada američkih vojnika
13:41
went into an undefended village full of civilians
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je bila ušla u nebranjeno selo puno civila
13:44
and killed between 350 and 500 of them,
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i ubila između 350 i 500 njih,
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mass-raped women and children,
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masovno silovala žene i djecu,
13:51
mutilated bodies.
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unakazila tijela.
13:52
It was appalling.
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To je bilo užasno.
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It was appalling because it occurred, because the government denied it,
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Bilo je užasno jer se dogodilo, jer je to vlada porekla,
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because the US government eventually did nothing more than a slap on the wrist,
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jer je američka vlada konačno učinila ništa više od manje disciplinske mjere,
14:02
and appalling because it almost certainly was not a singular event.
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i bilo je užasno jer to gotovo sigurno nije bio jedini takav događaj.
14:07
This man, Hugh Thompson, this is the man who stopped the My Lai Massacre.
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Ovaj čovjek, Hugh Thompson, ovo je čovjek koji je zaustavio My Lai masakr.
14:12
He was piloting a helicopter gunship,
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Bio je pilotirao ratnim helikopterom
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landed there, got out
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sletio tamo, izašao
14:16
and saw American soldiers shooting babies,
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i vidio kako američki vojnici pucaju na bebe,
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shooting old women,
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pucaju na stare žene,
14:21
figured out what was going on,
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shvatio što se događa
14:23
and he then took his helicopter
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te potom je uzeo svoj helikopter
14:25
and did something that undid his lifetime of conditioning
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i učinio nešto što je poništilo njegov cijeli život uvjetovanja
14:29
as to who is an "us" and who is a "them."
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o tome tko su „mi“ i tko su „oni“.
14:31
He landed his helicopter
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Sletio je helikopterom
14:33
in between some surviving villagers and American soldiers
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između nekih preživjelih seljana i američkih vojnika
14:36
and he trained his machine guns on his fellow Americans,
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i usmjerio svoje strojnice na svoje ortake amerikance
14:40
and said, "If you don't stop the killing, I will mow you down."
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i rekao, „Ako ne prestanete ubijati, pokosit ću vas.“
14:46
Now, these people are no more special than any of us.
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Sad, ovi ljudi nisu ništa više posebni od bilo koga od nas.
14:49
Same neurons, same neurochemicals,
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Isti neuroni, isti neurotransmiteri,
14:51
same biology.
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ista biologija.
14:54
What we're left with here is this inevitable cliche:
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Ono što nam ostaje ovdje jest ovaj neizbježni kliše;
14:57
"Those who don't study history are destined to repeat it."
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„Oni koji ne proučavaju povijest su osuđeni da ju ponavljaju.“
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What we have here is the opposite of it.
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Ono što imamo ovjde je suprotno od toga.
15:02
Those who don't study the history of extraordinary human change,
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Oni koji ne proučavaju povijest nevjerojatne ljudske promjene,
15:06
those who don't study the biology of what can transform us
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oni koji ne proučavaju biologiju toga što nas može transformirati
15:10
from our worst to our best behaviors,
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od naših najgori do naših najboljih ponašanja,
15:12
those who don't do this are destined not to be able
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oni koji ovo ne rade su osuđeni da neće moći
15:16
to repeat these incandescent, magnificent moments.
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ponoviti ove sjajne, veličanstvene trenutke.
15:20
So thank you.
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Hvala vam.
15:21
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
15:31
CA: Talks that really give you a new mental model about something,
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CA: Govori koji vam daju novi umni model o nekoj stvari,
15:35
those are some of my favorite TED Talks,
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su meni među najdražim TED govorima,
15:37
and we just got one.
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i upravo smo dobili jedan.
15:39
Robert, thank you so much for that. Good luck with the book.
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Roberte, hvala vam puno na tome. Sretno s knjigom.
15:42
That was amazing,
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Ovo je bilo nevjerojatno,
15:43
and we're going to try and get you to come here in person one year.
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i pokušat ćemo vas osobno dovesti ovdje jedne godine.
15:47
Thank you so much.
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Hvala vam puno.
15:48
RS: Thank you. Thank you all.
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RS: Hvala vam. Hvala vam svima.
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