Stefan Sagmeister: The power of time off

Prevodilac: Natasa Golosin Lektor: Ana Zivanovic-Nenadovic

I run a design studio in New York.

Vodim studio za dizajn u Njujorku.

Every seven years, I close it for one year

Svake sedme godine zatvorim ga na godinu dana

to pursue

kako bih izveo

some little experiments, things that

neke male eksperimente, stvari koje

are always difficult to accomplish

je uvek teško postići

during the regular working year.

u godinama tokom kojih radite.

In that year, we are not available

Te sedme godine nismo dostupni

for any of our clients.

ni za jednog klijenta.

We are totally closed.

Totalno smo zatvoreni.

And as you can imagine,

Očigledno,

it is a lovely and very energetic time.

ovo je divno vreme, puno energije.

I originally had opened the studio in New York

Prvobitno sam otvorio studio u Njujorku

to combine my two loves, music and design.

kako bih spojio svoje dve ljubavi, muziku i dizajn.

And we created videos and packaging

Kreirali smo spotove i dizajnirali omote diskova

for many musicians that you know,

za mnoge muzičare koje znate.

and for even more that you've never heard of.

I za mnogo više onih za koje nikad niste čuli.

As I realized, just like with many many things in my life

I tako sam zaključio, da, kao i sa mnogim drugim stvarima u životu

that I actually love,

koje zapravo volim,

I adapt to it.

mogu da se naviknem.

And I get, over time, bored by them.

I onda, vremenom, mi postanu dosadne.

And for sure, in our case,

I sigurno u našem slučaju,

our work started to look the same.

posao je postao jednolilčan.

You see here a glass eye in a die cut of a book.

Vidite ovde stakleno oko usečeno u knjigu.

Quite the similar idea, then, a perfume packaged

Prilično slična ideja, takođe,

in a book, in a die cut.

parfem usečen u knjigu.

So I decided to close it down for one year.

Zato sam odlučio da zatvorim studio na godinu dana.

Also is the knowledge that

Takođe je poznato da

right now we spend about

prvih

in the first 25 years of our lives learning,

25 godina života provedemo učeći.

then there is another 40 years

Narednih 40 godina

that's really reserved for working.

su rezervisane za rad

And then tacked on at the end of it

I onda, na to dodamo

are about 15 years for retirement.

oko 15 godina za penziju.

And I thought it might be helpful

Pomislio sam, možda bi bilo od pomoći

to basically cut off five of those retirement years

da jednostavno skratimo penziju za pet godina

and intersperse them in between those working years.

i te godine prerasporedimo između godina koje provedemo radeći.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

That's clearly enjoyable for myself.

Meni ovo očigledno prija.

But probably even more important is

Ali verovatno je čak važnije

that the work that comes out of these years

da rad koji proizađe iz ovih godina

flows back into the company

uplovi nazad u kompaniju

and into society at large,

i, šire gledano u društvo

rather than just benefiting a grandchild or two.

umesto što će doneti dobro nečijim unucima.

There is a fellow TEDster who spoke two years ago,

Jedan kolega TED-ovac govorio je pre dve godine,

Jonathan Haidt,

Džonatan Hajdt,

who defined his work into three different levels.

definisao je svoj posao kroz tri različita nivoa.

And they rang very true for me.

Slažem se sa njegovom podelom.

I can see my work as a job. I do it for money.

Mogu da posmatram svoj rad kao posao, radim to za novac.

I likely already look forward to the weekend on Thursdays.

Četvrtkom se već radujem vikendu.

And I probably will need a hobby as a leveling mechanism.

I verovatno će mi, radi ravnoteže, trebati hobi.

In a career I'm definitely more engaged.

Više sam angažovan što se tiče karijere.

But at the same time, there will be periods when I think

Ali takođe, postoje periodi kada se pitam

is all that really hard work really worth my while?

da li se sav težak rad isplati.

While in the third one, in the calling,

Što se tiče mog poziva,

very much likely I would do it also

verovatno bih isto to radio

if I wouldn't be financially compensated for it.

i bez finansijske nadoknade.

I am not a religious person myself,

Nisam religiozan,

but I did look for nature.

ali tražio sam prirodu.

I had spent my first sabbatical in New York City.

Proveo sam svoju prvu slobodnu godinu u Njujorku.

Looked for something different for the second one.

Tražio nešto drugačije druge godine.

Europe and the U.S. didn't really feel enticing

Evropa i SAD mi nisu delovali primamljivo

because I knew them too well. So Asia it was.

jer sam ih poznavao suviše dobro. Izbor je pao na Aziju.

The most beautiful landscapes I had seen in Asia

Najlepši predeli koje sam video u Aziji

were Sri Lanka and Bali.

bili su Šri Lanka i Bali.

Sri Lanka still had the civil war going on, so Bali it was.

U Šri Lanki je i dalje trajao građanski rat, pa je odluka pala na Bali.

It's a wonderful, very craft-oriented society.

To je divno društvo, zanatski orijentisano.

I arrived there in September 2008,

Stigao sam tamo septembra 2008.

and pretty much started to work right away.

i gotovo momentalno počeo da radim.

There is wonderful inspiration coming from the area itself.

Divna inspiracija dolazi iz samog okruženja.

However the first thing that I needed was

Ipak, prvo što mi je zatrebalo

mosquito repellent typography

bilo je napraviti štampanje otporno na komarce

because they were definitely around heavily.

jer ih je bilo definitivno u ogromnim količinama.

And then I needed some sort of way

Onda mi je trebao neki način

to be able to get back to all the wild dogs

da dođem do svoje kuće

that surround my house,

koju su okruživali divlji psi

and attacked me during my morning walks.

koji su me napadali tokom jutarnjih šetnji.

So we created this series of 99 portraits on tee shirts.

Tako smo kreirali seriju od 99 portreta na majicama.

Every single dog on one tee shirt.

Svi psi na jednoj majici.

As a little retaliation

Kao mala odmazda

with a just ever so slightly menacing message

sa lagano pretećom porukom

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

on the back of the shirt.

na leđima.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Just before I left New York

Malo pre nego što sam napustio Njujork

I decided I could actually renovate my studio.

odlučio sam da renoviram studio.

And then just leave it all to them.

I prepustim sav taj rad drugima.

And I don't have to do anything.

Tako da ne moram da radim ništa.

So I looked for furniture.

Tražio sam nameštaj.

And it turned out that

Ali ispostavilo se

all the furniture that I really liked,

da nameštaj koji mi se zaista dopadao

I couldn't afford.

nisam mogao da priuštim.

And all the stuff I could afford, I didn't like.

A onaj koji sam mogao da kupim, nije mi se dopadao.

So one of the things that we pursued in Bali

Tako da su jedne od stvari koje smo tražili na Baliju

was pieces of furniture.

bile nameštaj.

This one, of course, still works with the wild dogs.

Ovaj komad sa divljim psima

It's not quite finished yet.

nije još potpuno završen.

And I think by the time this lamp came about,

I mislim da, dok je ova lampa stigla,

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

I had finally made peace with those dogs.

konačno sam sklopio primirje sa psima.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Then there is a coffee table. I also did a coffee table.

Onda, sto za kafu. Takođe sam napravio sto za kafu.

It's called Be Here Now.

Zove se: Budi ovde sad.

It includes 330 compasses.

U njemu su 330 kompasa.

And we had custom espresso cups made

I napravili smo i šoljice za espreso kafu

that hide a magnet inside,

koje u sebi skrivaju magnet,

and make those compasses go crazy,

koji izludi kompase,

always centering on them.

uvek pokazujući na njih.

Then this is a fairly talkative, verbose kind of chair.

Zatim ova vrlo pričljiva stolica.

I also started meditating for the first time in my life in Bali.

Počeo sam po prvi put u životu da meditiram, na Baliju.

And at the same time, I'm extremely aware

U isto vreme, vrlo sam svestan

how boring it is to hear about other people's happinesses.

koliko je dosadno slušati o sreći drugih ljudi.

So I will not really go too far into it.

Tako da se neću upuštati u to.

Many of you will know this TEDster,

Mnogi od vas znaju TED-ovca

Danny Gilbert, whose book, actually,

Denija Gilberta, čiju knjigu sam u stvari

I got it through the TED book club.

nabavio preko TED kluba knjige.

I think it took me four years

Mislim da je čitanje potrajalo četiri godine

to finally read it, while on sabbatical.

i konačno sam je pročitao tokom slobodne godine.

And I was pleased to see

I bilo mi je drago da vidim

that he actually wrote the book while he was on sabbatical.

da ju je u stvari napisao takođe dok je imao slobodnu godinu.

And I'll show you a couple of people

Pokazaću vam nekoliko ljudi

that did well by pursuing sabbaticals.

kojima se slobodna godina isplatila.

This is Ferran Adria. Many people think

Ovo je Feran Adria. Mnogi misle

he is right now the best chef in the world

da je on trenutno najbolji kuvar na svetu

with his restaurant north of Barcelona, El Bulli.

sa svojim restoranom, "elBulji", severno od Barselone.

His restaurant is open seven months every year.

Restoran je otvoren sedam meseci svake godine.

He closes it down for five months

Onda ga zatvara na pet meseci

to experiment with a full kitchen staff.

kako bi eksperimentisao zajedno sa svojim zaposlienima.

His latest numbers are fairly impressive.

Poslednja statistika je prilično impresivna.

He can seat, throughout the year,

Tokom godine on ugosti

he can seat 8,000 people.

8.000 ljudi.

And he has 2.2 million requests for reservations.

I dobije 2.2 miliona zahteva za rezervaciju.

If I look at my cycle, seven years, one year sabbatical,

Ako pogledam svoj ciklus, sedam godina i onda slobodna godina,

it's 12.5 percent of my time.

to je 12,5 odsto mog vremena.

And if I look at companies that are actually more successful than mine,

I ako pogledam kompanije koje su zapravo uspešnije od mene,

3M since the 1930s

3M, koji od 1930-ih

is giving all their engineers

daje svim svojim inženjerima

15 percent to pursue whatever they want.

15 odsto vremena da potroše na šta god hoće.

There is some good successes.

I ima dobrih rezultata.

Scotch tape came out of this program,

"Skoč" samolepljive trake su proizišle iz ovog programa

as well as Art Fry developed

kao i Art Fraj, koji je osmislio

sticky notes from during his personal time for 3M.

samolepljive blokčiće za 3M tokom svog slobodnog vremena.

Google, of course, very famously

Gugl, naravno, veoma slavno

gives 20 percent for their software engineers

dopušta 20 odsto svojim softver inženjerima

to pursue their own personal projects.

da se posvete svojim ličnim projektima.

Anybody in here has actually ever conducted a sabbatical?

Da li je neko odavde ikad uzeo slobodnu godinu?

That's about five percent of everybody.

To je otprilike pet odsto..

So I'm not sure if you saw your neighbor putting their hand up.

Ne znam da li je vaš sused podigao ruku.

Talk to them about if it was successful or not.

Pričajte sa njima da li je bilo uspešno ili ne.

I've found that

Otkrio sam da je

finding out about what I'm going to like in the future,

da bih saznao šta će mi se sviđati u budućnosti,

my very best way is to talk to people

najbolje da pričam sa ljudima

who have actually done it

koji su to zapravo uradili,

much better than myself envisioning it.

nego da sam to zamišljam.

When I had the idea of doing one,

Kada mi je palo napamet da to uradim

the process was I made the decision and I put it into my daily planner book.

proces je tekao tako što sam doneo odluku i upisao je u svoj dnevni planer.

And then I told as many, many people as I possibly could about it

I onda sam svima okolo rekao šta sam odlučio

so that there was no way that I could chicken out later on.

tako da ne bude šanse da se uplašim i odustanem kasnije.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

In the beginning, on the first sabbatical,

Na početku, prva slobodna godina

it was rather disastrous.

je bila katastrofalna.

I had thought that I should do this without any plan,

Mislio sam da ne treba ništa da planiram,

that this vacuum of time somehow would

da će taj vremenski vakuum biti

be wonderful and enticing

divan i primamljiv

for idea generation. It was not.

za prikupljanje ideja. Nije bio.

I just, without a plan, I just reacted

Bez plana, reagovao sam samo

to little requests, not work requests,

na male zahteve, ne na poslovne zahteve

those I all said no to, but other little requests.

na sve njih sam odgovorio sa ne, osim na druge male zahteve.

Sending mail to Japanese design magazines and things like that.

Poput slanja imejla japanskom dizajn magazinu i slične stvari.

So I became my own intern.

Tako sam postao sopstveni stažista.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

And I very quickly

I veoma brzo

made a list of the things I was interested in,

sam napravio listu stvari koje me interesuju,

put them in a hierarchy, divided them into chunks of time

postavio ih u hijerarhiju, podelio ih u vremenske periode

and then made a plan, very much like in grade school.

i onda napravio plan, sličan onima u osnovnoj školi.

What does it say here? Monday, 8 to 9: story writing;

Šta ovde imamo? Ponedeljak, osam do devet: pisanje.

9 to 10: future thinking.

Devet do deset: razmišljanje o budućnosti.

Was not very successful. And so on and so forth.

Nije bilo baš uspešno. I tako dalje, i tako dalje.

And that actually, specifically as a starting point

I onda je zapravo to počelo

of the first sabbatical, worked really well for me.

da pozitivno utiče na mene.

What came out of it?

Šta je proizašlo iz svega?

I really got close to design again.

Opet sam se približio dizajnu.

I had fun.

Bilo je zabavno.

Financially, seen over the long term, it was actually successful.

Finansijski, dugoročno gledano, bilo je uspešno.

Because of the improved quality, we could ask for higher prices.

Kako je kvalitet poboljšan, mogli smo da tražimo i više cene.

And probably most importantly,

A, verovatno najznačajnije,

basically everything we've done

skoro sve što smo uradili

in the seven years following the first sabbatical

za sedam godina nakon prve pauze

came out of thinking of that one single year.

proizašlo je iz onoga što smo osmislili tokom te jedne godine.

And I'll show you a couple of projects

Pokazaću vam nekoliko projekata

that came out of the seven years following that sabbatical.

koji su se iznedrili u toku ovih sedam godina nakon godinu dana pauze.

One of the strands of thinking I was involved in was

Jedan od aspekata mišljenja u kom sam učestvovao je

that sameness is so incredibly overrated.

je da je jednolikost neverovatno precenjena.

This whole idea that everything needs to be exactly the same

Cela ta ideja da sve mora da bude potpuno jednako

works for a very very few strand of companies,

radi za kompanije u tek nekoliko oblasti,

and not for everybody else.

i ni za kog drugog.

We were asked to design an identity for Casa da Musica,

Zatraženo nam je da dizajniramo identitet za "Kuću muzike"

the Rem Koolhaas-built music center

muzički centar koji je projektovao Rem Kulhas

in Porto, in Portugal.

u Portu, u Portugalu.

And even though I desired to do an identity

I iako sam želeo da osmislim identitet

that doesn't use the architecture,

koji se ne oslanja na arhitekturu,

I failed at that.

nisam uspeo.

And mostly also because I realized

Uglavnom jer sam spoznao

out of a Rem Koolhaas presentation to the city of Porto, where

na prezentaciji Rem Kulhasa u Portu,

he talked about a conglomeration of various layers of meaning.

koncentracije različitih slojeva značenja.

Which I understood after I

To sam razumeo nakon

translated it from architecture speech

prevođenja iz arhitektonskog

in to regular English,

na normalni engleski,

basically as logo making.

kao logo-marketing.

And I understood that the building itself was a logo.

Shvatio sam da je zgrada sama po sebi logotip.

So then it became quite easy.

I onda je postalo lako.

We put a mask on it,

Stavili smo na nju masku,

looked at it deep down in the ground,

pogledali duboko u nju,

checked it out from all sides,

ispitali je sa svih strana,

west, north, south, east,

zapada, severa, juga, istoka,

top and bottom.

sa vrha i dna.

Colored them in a very particular way

Obojili ih na veoma jedinstven način

by having a friend of mine write a piece of software,

uz pomoć softvera koji je napisao moj prijatelj,

the Casa da Musica Logo Generator.

"Logo generator Kuće Muzike".

That's connected to a scanner.

Ovo je povezano sa skenerom.

You put any image in there, like that Beethoven image.

Stavimo bilo koju sliku, na primer sliku Betovena.

And the software, in a second,

I softver vam, u sekundi,

will give you the Casa da Musica Beethoven logo.

da Betoven-logo Kuće Muzike.

Which, when you actually have to design a Beethoven poster,

Što, kada treba da dizajnirate poster za Betovena,

comes in handy, because the visual information of the logo

bude veoma praktično, jer su logo

and the actual poster is exactly the same.

i poster u stvari isti.

So it will always fit together, conceptually, of course.

Tako da će se uvek konceptualno uklapati.

If Zappa's music is performed, it gets its own logo.

Ako je na programu Zapina muzika, i ona će imati sopstveni logo.

Or Philip Glass or Lou Reed or the Chemical Brothers,

Ili Filip Glas, Lu Rid ili Kemikal Bradrs;

who all performed there, get their own

ko god će svirati tamo, imaće sopstveni logo.

Casa da Musica logo.

Logo Kuće Muzike.

It works the same internally with the president or the musical director,

Isto je i sa predsednikom ili muzičkim direktorom

whose Casa da Musica portraits wind up on their business cards.

čiji portreti Kuće muzike se nalaze na njihovim vizit kartama.

There is a full-blown orchestra

U zgradi živi čitav

living inside the building.

jedan orkestar.

It has a more transparent identity.

Njihova oznaka nije upečatljiva.

The truck they go on tour with.

Kamion kojim idu na turneju.

Or there's a smaller contemporary orchestra,

Ili, postoji manji, moderni orkestar,

12 people that remixes its own title.

12 ljudi koji stvaraju sopstveni logotip.

And one of the handy things that came about

Ono što je korisno je da

was that you could take the logo type

možete uzeti logotip

and create advertising out of it.

i od njega napraviti reklamu.

Like this Donna Toney poster,

Kao na ovom posteru Done Toni,

or Chopin, or Mozart,

ili Šopena, Mocarta,

or La Monte Young.

ili La Mont Janga.

You can take the shape and make typography out of it.

Možete uzeti oblik i od njega izraditi reklamu.

You can grow it underneath the skin.

Možete ga "zasaditi" ispod kože.

You can have a poster for a family event in front of the house,

Možete napravi plakat za porodično okupljanje ispred kuće

or a rave underneath the house

ili za rejv žurku u podrumu kuće

or a weekly program,

ili nedeljni program

as well as educational services.

kao i za obrazovne usluge.

Second insight. So far, until that point I had

Drugo shvatanje. Do tad sam

been mostly involved

uglavnom

or used the language of design

koristio za promociju

for promotional purposes,

jezik dizajna,

which was fine with me.

što je za mene bilo u redu.

On one hand I have nothing against selling.

S jedne strane nemam ništa protiv prodaje.

My parents are both salespeople.

Oba moja roditelja su bili prodavci.

But I did feel that

Ali počeo sam da osećam da

I spent so much time learning this language,

previše vremena učim samo taj jezik,

why do I only promote with it?

i zašto samo njime vršim promociju?

There must be something else.

Mora da postoji još nešto.

And the whole series of work came out of it.

I čitave serije radova su proizašle iz ovoga.

Some of you might have seen it.

Neke ste možda već videli.

I showed some of it

Neke sam već pokazao

at earlier TEDs before,

na pređašnjim TED konferencijama

under the title "Things I've Learned in My Life So Far."

pod naslovom "Stvari koje sam do sad naučio u svom životu".

I'll just show two now.

Sada ću pokazati samo dve.

This is a whole wall of bananas

Ovo je čitav zid od banana

at different ripenesses

različite zrelosti,

on the opening day in this gallery in New York.

na dan otvaranja ove galerije u Njujorku.

It says, "Self-confidence produces fine results."

Kaže: "Samopouzdanje donosi dobre rezultate."

This is after a week.

Ovo je posle nedelju dana.

After two weeks,

Posle dve nedelje,

three weeks, four weeks, five weeks.

tri, četiri, pet nedelja.

And you see the self confidence almost comes back,

I vidite da se samopouzdanje ponovo pojavljuje,

but not quite.

ali ne baš.

These are some pictures visitors sent to me.

Ovo su neke fotografije koje su mi posetioci poslali.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

And then the city of Amsterdam

Onda u Amsterdamu

gave us a plaza and asked us to do something.

dobili smo trg da nešto na njemu napravimo.

We used the stone plates as a grid

Koristili smo kamene ploče kao rešetke

for our little piece.

za naš mali komad.

We got 250,000 coins from the central bank,

Nabavili smo 250 hiljada novčića iz centralne banke,

at different darknesses.

različitog nivoa potamljenosti.

So we got brand new ones, shiny ones,

Imali smo potpuno nove, sjajne,

medium ones, and very old, dark ones.

srednjeg sjaja, veoma stare i tamne.

And with the help of 100 volunteers, over a week,

I uz pomoć 100 volontera, preko nedelje

created this fairly floral typography

smo kreirali ovu prilično cvetnu tipografiju

that spelled, "Obsessions make my life worse

koja kaže: "Opsesije čine moj život lošijim,

and my work better."

a moj rad boljim."

And the idea of course was to

Ideja je naravno bila

make the type so precious

da napravimo ovo toliko dragocenim

that as an audience

da se publika

you would be in between,

zapita,

"Should I really take as much money as I can?

"Da li da uzmem što više novca mogu?

Or should I leave the piece intact as it is right now?"

Ili da ostavim ovo delo netaknuto kao što je sada?"

While we built all this up

Dok smo ovo gradili

during that week, with the 100 volunteers,

tokom cele nedelje, sa 100 volontera,

a good number of the neighbors surrounding the plaza

mnogo ljudi iz komšiluka je okružilo trg

got very close to it and quite loved it.

približilo se i svidelo im se ono što su videli

So when it was finally done,

Kad je konačno bilo gotovo,

and in the first night

prve noći

a guy came with big plastic bags

došao je momak sa velikom najlon kesom

and scooped up as many coins as he could possibly carry,

i pokupio sve što je mogao da ponese,

one of the neighbors called the police.

jedan komšija je pozvao policiju

And the Amsterdam police

I amsterdamska policija

in all their wisdom,

u celoj svojoj mudrosti,

came, saw,

je došla, videla

and they wanted to protect the artwork.

i htela da zaštiti umetničko delo.

And they swept it all up and put it into custody

Tako su sve počistili i stavili u nadležnost

at police headquarters.

odneli ih u sedište policije.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

I think you see, you see them sweeping. You see them sweeping right here.

Mislim da ovde vidite kako čiste.

That's the police, getting rid of it all.

Ovo je policija, sve su počistili.

So after eight hours

Posle osam sati

that's pretty much all that was left

ovo je sve što je ostalo

of the whole thing.

od cele stvari

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

We are also working on the start of a bigger project in Bali.

Radimo i na započinjanju većeg projekta na Baliju.

It's a movie about happiness.

Radi se o filmu o sreći.

And here we asked some nearby pigs

Ovde smo upitali neke lokalne svinje

to do the titles for us.

da naprave naslov za nas.

They weren't quite slick enough.

Nisu se baš pokazale,

So we asked the goose to do it again,

Pa smo upitali gusku da to uradi,

and hoped she would do somehow,

i nadali se da će nekako uspeti,

a more elegant or pretty job.

da obavi to elegantnije i lepše.

And I think she overdid it.

Mislim da je preterala.

Just a bit too ornamental.

Previše je ukrasno.

And my studio is very close to the monkey forest.

Moj studio je veoma blizu šume sa majmunima.

And the monkeys in that monkey forest

A, majmuni u toj šumi

looked, actually, fairly happy.

su izgledali baš srećno.

So we asked those guys to do it again.

Pa smo ih pitali da to urade za nas.

They did a fine job, but had

Uradili su dobar posao, ali je bilo

a couple of readability problems.

nekoliko problema u čitljivosti.

So of course whatever you don't really do yourself

Dakle, šta god da ne uradiš sam

doesn't really get done properly.

nije baš najbolje urađeno.

That film we'll be working on for the next two years.

To je film na kom ćemo raditi naredne dve godine.

So it's going to be a while.

Dakle, biće to neko vreme.

And of course you might think that

Naravno da možete misliti

doing a film on happiness

praviti film o sreći

might not really be worthwhile.

nije baš vredno truda,

Then you can of course always

ali onda možete uvek

go and see this guy.

videti ovog momka.

Video: (Laughter)

Video: (Smeh)

And I'm happy I'm alive.

Srećan sam što sam živ.

I'm happy I'm alive. I'm happy I'm alive.

Srećan sam što sam živ. Srećan sam što sam živ.

Stefan Sagmeister: Thank you.

Štefan Zagmajster: Hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)