Sheryl Sandberg: So we leaned in ... now what?

Translator: Nika Kotnik Reviewer: Klavdija Cernilogar

Pat Mitchell: Your first time back on the TEDWomen stage.

Pat Mitchell: Prvič se vračaš na oder TEDWomen.

Sheryl Sandberg: First time back. Nice to see everyone. It's always so nice to look out

Sheryl Sandberg: Prvič sem nazaj. Lepo je pogledati

and see so many women.

in videti toliko žensk.

It's so not my regular experience, as I know anyone else's.

To niso moje običajne izkušnje in tudi ne izkušnje koga drugega.

PM: So when we first started talking about, maybe the subject wouldn't be social media,

PM: Ko sva prvič govorili, da tema morda ne bodo družabni mediji,

which we assumed it would be, but that you had very much on your mind

kot sva predvidevali, ampak si ti imela v mislih

the missing leadership positions, particularly in the sector of technology and social media.

manjkajoče položaje v vodstvu, še posebej v tehnologiji in družabnih omrežjih.

But how did that evolve for you as a thought, and end up being the TED Talk that you gave?

Kako se je razvijala ta misel in kako je iz tega nastal tvoj TED govor?

SS: So I was really scared to get on this stage and talk about women,

Bilo me je zelo strah govoriti o ženskah

because I grew up in the business world, as I think so many of us did.

ker sem, tako kot večina, odrasla v poslovnem svetu.

You never talk about being a woman, because someone might notice that you're a woman, right?

Nikoli ne govoriš o tem, ker potem bo nekdo opazil, da si ženska, ne?

They might notice. Or worse, if you say "woman," people on the other end of the table

Opazili bi. Ali pa bi ljudje na drugem koncu mislili,

think you're asking for special treatment, or complaining.

da prosiš za posebne ugodnosti ali se pritožuješ.

Or worse, about to sue them. And so I went through -- (Laughter)

Ali da jih boš tožila. Zato sem - (Smeh)

Right? I went through my entire business career,

Kajne? Šla sem skozi vso svojo kariero

and never spoke about being a woman, never spoke about it publicly.

in nikoli govorila o tem, kako je biti ženska, nikoli javno.

But I also had noticed that it wasn't working.

A opazila sem tudi, da to ne deluje.

I came out of college over 20 years ago, and I thought

Diplomirala sem pred 20 leti in si mislila,

that all of my peers were men and women, all the people above me were all men,

vsi moji kolegi so moški in ženske, in vsi nad mano so moški,

but that would change,

ampak to se bo spremenilo,

because your generation had done such an amazing job fighting for equality,

ker se je tvoja generacija tako dobro borila za enakopravnost,

equality was now ours for the taking. And it wasn't.

lahko sedaj to pograbimo. A nismo mogli.

Because year after year, I was one of fewer and fewer,

Ker nas je bilo leto za letom vse manj in manj

and now, often the only woman in a room.

in sedaj sem pogosto edina ženska v sobi.

And I talked to a bunch of people about,

Govorila sem z veliko ljudmi,

should I give a speech at TEDWomen about women, and they said, oh no, no.

ali naj na TEDWomen govorim o ženskah in so rekli, o ne ne.

It will end your business career. You cannot be a serious business executive

To bo konec kariere. Ne moreš biti resna poslovna direktorica

and speak about being a woman. You'll never be taken seriously again.

in govoriti o tem, da si ženska. Nikoli več te ne bodo resno jemali.

But fortunately, there were the few, the proud -- like you -- who told me I should give the speech,

Ampak na srečo, bilo je nekaj ponosnih - kot ti, ki si mi rekla, naj govorim,

and I asked myself the question Mark Zuckerberg might --

in vprašala sem se, kar bi Mark Zuckerberg lahko -

the founder of Facebook and my boss --

moj šef in ustanovitelj Facebook-a -

asks all of us, which is, what would I do if I wasn't afraid?

vprašal vsakega od nas: "Kaj bi storila, če me ne bi bilo strah?"

And the answer to what would I do if I wasn't afraid is I would get on the TED stage,

In odgovor je, da bi šla na TED oder

and talk about women, and leadership. And I did, and survived. (Applause)

in govorila o ženskah in vodenju. In sem in sem preživela. (Aplavz)

PM: I would say, not only survived. I'm thinking of that moment, Sheryl,

PM: In ne samo preživela. Mislim na trenutek,

when you and I were standing backstage together, and you turned to me,

ko sva skupaj stali v zaodrju in si se obrnila

and you told me a story.

in mi povedala zgodbo.

And I said -- very last minute -- you know, you really should share that story.

Rekla sem - v zadnji minuti - veš, to bi morala deliti.

SS: Oh, yeah. PM: What was that story?

SS: O, ja. PM: Kaj je bila ta zgodba?

SS: Well, it's an important part of the journey. So I had -- TEDWomen --

SS: Je pomemben del potovanja. TEDWomen -

the original one was in D.C. -- so I live here, so I had gotten on a plane the day before,

prvi je bil v D.C. - živim tukaj, zato sem šla na letalo dan prej

and my daughter was three, she was clinging to my leg: "Mommy, don't go."

in moja hči, stara tri leta, se je oklepala moje noge: "Mami, nočem da greš."

And Pat's a friend, and so, not related to the speech I was planning on giving,

Pat je moja prijateljica in nepovezano z mojim govorom,

which was chock full of facts and figures, and nothing personal,

ki je bil poln dejstev in številk in ni imel nič osebnega,

I told Pat the story. I said, well, I'm having a hard day.

sem ji povedala, rekla sem, težek dan je za mano.

Yesterday my daughter was clinging to my leg, and "Don't go."

Včeraj se me je hči oklepala in ni hotela, da grem.

And you looked at me and said, you have to tell that story.

Rekla si, to zgodbo moraš povedati.

I said, on the TED stage? Are you kidding?

Rekla sem, na TED odru? Se hecaš?

I'm going to get on a stage and admit my daughter was clinging to my leg?

Tam naj priznam, da se je hči oklepala moje noge?

And you said yes, because if you want to talk about getting more women into leadership roles,

Rekla si ja, če hočeš govoriti o tem, kako spraviti več žensk na vodilne položaje,

you have to be honest about how hard it is.

moraš biti odkrita glede tega, kako težko je.

And I did. And I think that's a really important part of the journey.

In sem. Mislim, da je to res pomemben del potovanja.

The same thing happened when I wrote my book. I started writing the book. I wrote a first chapter,

Isto se je zgodilo pri pisanju knjige. Napisala sem prvo poglavje,

I thought it was fabulous. It was chock-full of data and figures,

zdelo se mi je prekrasno. Polno podatkov in številk,

I had three pages on matrilineal Maasai tribes, and their sociological patterns.

tri strani o matrilinearnih Masajih in njihovih socioloških vzorcih.

My husband read it and he was like, this is like eating your Wheaties. (Laughter)

Moj mož je to prebral in rekel: "To je, kot bi pil ribje olje.

No one -- and I apologize to Wheaties if there's someone -- no one, no one will read this book.

Nihče - se opravičujem ribjemu olju - nihče, res nihče ne bo bral te knjige."

And I realized through the process that I had to be more honest and more open,

In spoznala sem, da moram biti bolj odkrita in odprta

and I had to tell my stories. My stories of still not feeling as self-confident as I should,

in deliti svoje zgodbe. Zgodbe o tem, kako še vedno nisem dovolj samozavestna

in many situations. My first and failed marriage. Crying at work.

v mnogih situacijah. Moj prvi in propadli zakon. Jokanje na delu.

Felling like I didn't belong there, feeling guilty to this day.

Občutek, da ne spadam tja, občutek krivde do današnjega dne.

And part of my journey, starting on this stage, going to "Lean In," going to the foundation,

Del mojega potovanja, začetega na tem odru, do "Nagniti se naprej", do fundacije,

is all about being more open and honest about those challenges,

vse je v odprtosti in odkritosti glede teh izzivov,

so that other women can be more open and honest,

da so lahko druge ženske bolj odprte in poštene,

and all of us can work together towards real equality.

in vsi skupaj lahko delamo za pravo enakost.

PM: I think that one of the most striking parts about the book,

PM: Mislim, da je eden najbolj pretresljivih delov knjige

and in my opinion, one of the reasons it's hit such a nerve and is resonating around the world,

in je po mojem mnenju zadel v živo in zato tako odmeva po svetu,

is that you are personal in the book, and that you do make it clear that,

ker si ti tako osebna v tej knjigi in pojasniš, da

while you've observed some things that are very important for other women to know,

čeprav si opazila nekaj stvari, za katere morajo ženske vedeti,

that you've had the same challenges that many others of us have,

da si imela ti pred seboj iste izzive kot mnogi izmed nas,

as you faced the hurdles and the barriers and possibly the people who don't believe the same.

ko si se srečala s preprekami in ovirami in ljudmi, ki ne verjamejo v iste stvari.

So talk about that process: deciding you'd go public with the private part,

Povej nam o tem procesu: odločitev, da bo zasebni del postal javen

and then you would also put yourself in the position of something of an expert

in da se boš postavila v položaj strokovnjakinje o tem,

on how to resolve those challenges.

kako se spopasti s temi izzivi.

SS: After I did the TED Talk, what happened was --

SS: Po TED govoru se je zgodilo -

you know, I never really expected to write a book, I'm not an author, I'm not a writer,

veš, nisem nameravala napisati knjige, nisem avtorica ali pisateljica,

and it was viewed a lot, and it really started impacting people's lives.

bil je zelo gledan in res je imel vpliv na življenja ljudi.

I got this great --- one of the first letters I got was from a woman

Dobila sem krasno - eno izmed prvih pisem je bilo od ženske,

who said that she was offered a really big promotion at work, and she turned it down,

ki je rekla, da so ji ponudili napredovanje, a ga je zavrnila.

and she told her best friend she turned it down, and her best friend said,

Ko je to povedala najboljši prijateljici, je ta dejala:

you really need to watch this TED Talk.

"Res moraš videti ta TED govor."

And so she watched this TED Talk, and she went back the next day, she took the job,

Ogledala si je ta TED govor, naslednji dan sprejela napredovanje,

she went home, and she handed her husband the grocery list. (Laughter)

šla domov in možu predala spisek za v trgovino.

And she said, I can do this.

Rekla je, to zmorem.

And what really mattered to me -- it wasn't only women in the corporate world,

in kar mi je bilo res pomembno - ne samo ženske v podjetništvu,

even though I did hear from a lot of them, and it did impact a lot of them,

čeprav sem od njih veliko slišala in je imelo nanje velik vpliv,

it was also people of all different circumstances.

so bili tu tudi ljudje z različnimi okoliščinami.

There was a doctor I met who was an attending physician at Johns Hopkins,

Zdravnik, ki sem ga spoznala, ki je delal v bolnišnici Johna Hopkinsa,

and he said that until he saw my TED Talk, it never really occurred to him

mi je rekel, da dokler ni videl mojega govora, ni opazil,

that even though half the students in his med school classes were women,

da čeprav je bila polovica študentov žensk,

they weren't speaking as much as the men as he did his rounds.

med spraševanjem niso govorile toliko kot moški.

So he started paying attention, and as he waited for raised hands, he realized the men's hands were up.

Začel je opazovati, ko so dvigovali roke, so jih dvignili moški.

So he started encouraging the women to raise their hands more,

Začel je spodbujati ženske, naj dvigujejo roke,

and it still didn't work.

in to še zmeraj ni delovalo.

So he told everyone, no more hand raising, I'm cold-calling.

Zato je rekel vsem, nič več dviganja rok, klical vas bom.

So he could call evenly on men and women. And what he proved to himself was that

Tako je lahko klical moške in ženske enako. In dokazal si je,

the women knew the answers just as well or better,

da so ženske vedele prav tako dobro ali boljše,

and he was able to go back to them and tell them that.

in lahko jim je to povedal.

And then there was the woman, stay-at-home mom, lives in a really difficult neighborhood,

In še neka ženska, gospodinja, živela je v težavni soseski,

with not a great school, she said that TED Talk -- she's never had a corporate job,

s slabo šolo, rekla je, da ji je TED govor - nikoli ni imela službe v poslovnem svetu,

but that TED Talk inspired her to go to her school and fight for a better teacher for her child.

a govor jo je navdihnil, da je šla v šolo in otroku izborila boljšo učiteljico.

And I guess it was part of was finding my own voice.

Najbrž je bil to del tega, da sem našla svoj glas.

And I realized that other women and men could find their voice through it,

Spoznala sem, da lahko skozi to najdejo svoj glas tudi druge ženske in moški,

which is why I went from the talk to the book.

zato sem šla od govora h knjigi.

PM: And in the book, you not only found your voice, which is clear and strong in the book,

PM: V knjigi, ne samo da si našla svoj glas, ki je jasen in močan,

but you also share what you've learned --

ampak tudi deliš, kar si se naučila -

the experiences of other people in the lessons.

izkušnje drugih ljudi v lekcijah.

And that's what I'm thinking about in terms of putting yourself in a --

In premišljujem o tem -

you became a sort of expert in how you lean in.

postala si neke vrste strokovnjakinja, kako se nagniti naprej.

So what did that feel like, and become like in your life?

Kako si to čutila in kakšno je postalo tvoje življenje?

To launch not just a book, not just a best-selling, best-viewed talk,

Da si ne samo izdala knjigo, imela najbolj gledan govor,

but a movement, where people began to literally describe their actions at work as,

ampak začela gibanje, kjer so ljudje svoja dejanja na delu opisovali kot

I'm leaning in.

"Nagnil se bom naprej."

SS: I mean, I'm grateful, I'm honored, I'm happy, and it's the very beginning.

SS: Sem hvaležna, sem počaščena, sem vesela in to je začetek.

So I don't know if I'm an expert, or if anyone is an expert. I certainly have done a lot of research.

Ne vem, če sem strokovnjak ali če je kdorkoli. Sem pa veliko raziskovala.

I have read every study, I have pored over the materials,

Prebrala sem vsako študijo, se zatopila v gradivo

and the lessons are very clear. Because here's what we know:

in nauk je jasen. Ker vemo, da

What we know is that stereotypes are holding women back from leadership roles all over the world.

stereotipi preprečujejo ženskam prevzem vodilnih položajev po vsem svetu.

It's so striking. "Lean In" is very global, I've been all over the world,

Osupljivo je. Zaradi "Nagniti se" sem po vsem svetu

talking about it, and -- cultures are so different.

govorila o tem - kulture so si tako različne.

Even within our own country, to Japan, to Korea, to China, to Asia, Europe,

Celo v naši državi, na Japonskem, v Koreji, na Kitajskem, v Aziji, Evropi,

they're so different. Except for one thing: gender.

zelo so si različne. Razen pri eni stvari: spolu.

All over the world, no matter what our cultures are,

Vsepovsod po svetu, ne glede na kulturo,

we think men should be strong, assertive, aggressive, have voice;

menimo, da morajo biti moški močni, odločni, agresivni, glasni,

we think women should speak when spoken to, help others.

in da naj ženske govorijo, ko jih ogovorimo, naj pomagajo drugim.

Now we have, all over the world,

Sedaj imamo po vsem svetu,

women are called "bossy." There is a word for "bossy,"

ženske, ki jim pravijo "ukazovalne". Beseda ukazovalna,

for little girls, in every language there's one.

za deklice, obstaja v vsakem jeziku.

It's a word that's pretty much not used for little boys,

Ta beseda se večinoma ne uporablja za fantke,

because if a little boy leads, there's no negative word for it,

ker če majhen fant vodi, za to ni negativne besede,

it's expected. But if a little girl leads, she's bossy.

pričakovano je. Če pa vodi deklica, je ukazovalna.

Now I know there aren't a lot of men here, but bear with me.

Vem, da tu ni veliko moških, a potrpite.

If you're a man, you'll have to represent your gender.

Če ste moški, morate predstavljati svoj spol.

Please raise your hand if you've been told you're too aggressive at work.

Prosim dvignite roke, če so vam na delu kdaj rekli, da ste preveč agresivni.

(Laughter) There's always a few, it runs about five percent. Okay, get ready, gentlemen.

(Smeh) Vedno jih je nekaj, okrog 5%. Sedaj pa se pripravite.

If you're a woman, please raise your hand if you've ever been told you're too aggressive at work.

Ženske, dvignite roke, če so vam na delu kdaj rekli, da ste preveč agresivne.

(Laughter) That is what audiences have said in every country in the world,

(Smeh) To so rekli v občinstvih po vsem svetu

and it's deeply supported by the data.

in to podpirajo podatki.

Now, do we think women are more aggressive than men? Of course not.

Ali menimo, da so ženske agresivnejše od moških? Seveda ne.

It's just that we judge them through a different lens,

Samo drugače jih ocenjujemo

and a lot of the character traits that you must exhibit to perform at work, to get results, to lead,

in veliko lastnosti, potrebnih pri delu, da dobiš rezultate, da vodiš,

are ones that we think, in a man, he's a boss,

je takih, za katere pri moškem mislimo, on je vodja,

and in a woman, she's bossy.

ženska pa je ukazovalna.

And the good news about this is that we can change this by acknowledging it.

Dobra novica je, da lahko to spremenimo, če to priznamo.

One of the happiest moments I had in this whole journey is,

Eden izmed najlepših trenutkov na tem potovanju

after the book came out, I stood on a stage with John Chambers, the CEO of Cisco.

je bil po izidu knjige, na odru z Johnom Chambersom, izvršnim direktorjem Cisca.

He read the book. He stood on a stage with me, he invited me in front of his whole management team,

Prebral je knjigo. Bil na odru z mano, me povabil pred vso ekipo menedžerjev,

men and women, and he said, I thought we were good at this. I thought I was good at this.

moških in žensk in rekel: "Mislil sem, da smo dobri v tem.

And then I read this book, and I realized that we -- my company --

Prebral sem to knjigo in spoznali smo - moje podjetje -

we have called all of our senior women too aggressive,

vse naše ženske smo oklicali za agresivne.

and I'm standing on this stage, and I'm sorry.

Stojim na tem odru in žal mi je.

And I want you to know we're never going to do it again.

In hočem, da veste, da tega ne bomo več storili."

PM: Can we send that to a lot of other people that we know? (Applause)

PM: Lahko to pošljemo veliko drugim ljudem, ki jih poznamo? (Aplavz)

SS: And so John is doing that because he believes it's good for his company,

SS:John to počne, ker verjame, da je dobro za podjetje,

and so this kind of acknowledgement of these biases can change it.

in to priznanje pristranskosti lahko to spremeni.

And so next time you all see someone call a little girl "bossy,"

Tako da naslednjič, ko vidite, da nekdo punčki reče, da je ukazovalna,

you walk right up to that person, big smile, and you say,

pojdite do njega z velikim nasmeškom in recite:

"That little girl's not bossy. That little girl has executive leadership skills." (Laughter)

"Ta punčka ni ukazovalna. Ima veščine izvršnega direktorja."

PM: I know that's what you're telling your daughter. SS: Absolutely.

PM: Vem, da to praviš svoji hčeri. SS: Absolutno.

PM: And you did focus in the book -- and the reason, as you said, in writing it,

PM: Se v knjigi osredotočaš na - razlog za pisanje, si rekla

was to create a dialogue about this.

je bil, da bi ustvarili dialog o tem?

I mean, let's just put it out there, face the fact that women are --

Dajmo to ven, soočimo se z dejstvom, da ženske -

in a time when we have more open doors, and more opportunities --

v času, ko imamo več odprtih vrat, več priložnosti -

are still not getting to the leadership positions.

še zmeraj ne dobivamo vodilnih mest.

So in the months that have come since the book,

V mesecih, ki so prišli po knjigi,

in which "Lean In" focused on that and said,

kjer se "Nagniti naprej" osredotoča na to, in pravi:

here are some of the challenges that remain, and many of them we have to own within ourselves

tu je nekaj izzivov, ki ostajajo, in veliko jih je v nas samih,

and look at ourselves. What has changed?

moramo pogledati vase. Kaj se je spremenilo?

Have you seen changes?

Vidite spremembe?

SS: Well, there's certainly more dialogue, which is great.

SS: No, zagotovo je več dialoga, kar je krasno.

But what really matters to me, and I think all of us, is action.

Ampak kar mi je najbolj pomembno, mislim da je vsem, je akcija.

So everywhere I go, CEOs, they're mostly men, say to me,

Povsod, kamor grem, mi izvršni direktorji rečejo,

you're costing me so much money

veliko denarja me staneš,

because all the women want to be paid as much as the men.

ker hočejo biti vse ženske plačane toliko kot moški.

And to them I say, I'm not sorry at all. (Laughter)

In rečem jim, sploh mi ni žal. (Smeh)

At all. I mean, the women should be paid as much as the men.

Sploh ne. Mislim, ženske bi morali plačevati enako.

Everywhere I go, women tell me they ask for raises.

Vsepovsod mi ženske pravijo, da prosijo za povišico.

Everywhere I go, women say they're getting better relationships with their spouses,

Vsepovsod mi pravijo, da imajo boljša razmerja,

asking for more help at home, asking for the promotions they should be getting at work,

prosijo za več pomoči doma, prosijo za napredovanja v službi

and importantly, believing it themselves. Even little things.

in najpomembnejše, da v to verjamejo same. Celo najmanjše stvari.

One of the governors of one of the states told me that he didn't realize that more women were, in fact,

Eden izmed guvernerjev mi je povedal, da ni vedel, da več žensk

literally sitting on the side of the room, which they are,

dejansko sedi na strani v sobi.

and now he made a rule that all the women on his staff need to sit at the table.

Vzpostavil je novo pravilo, da morajo ženske v njegovem osebju sedeti za mizo.

The foundation I started along with the book "Lean In"

Fundacija, začeta ob knjigi "Nagniti se naprej",

helps women, or men, start circles -- small groups,

pomaga ženskam ali moškim začeti krožke - majhne skupine,

it can be 10, it can be however many you want, which meet once a month.

lahko po 10 ali kolikor hočete, ki se srečujejo enkrat na mesec.

I would have hoped that by now, we'd have about 500 circles. That would've been great.

Upala sem, da bi do zdaj imeli 500 skupin. To bi bilo super.

You know, 500 times roughly 10.

Saj veste, 500 krat približno 10.

There are over 12,000 circles in 50 countries in the world.

Sedaj je po svetu več kot 12 000 skupin, v 50 državah po vsem svetu.

PM: Wow, that's amazing.

PM: To je čudovito.

SS: And these are people who are meeting every single month.

SS: in to so ljudje, ki se srečujejo vsak mesec,

I met one of them, I was in Beijing.

spoznala sem eno izmed njih, v Pekingu.

A group of women, they're all about 29 or 30, they started the first Lean In circle in Beijing,

Skupina žensk, starih 29 in 30 let, je začela prvo skupino Nagniti se v Pekingu,

several of them grew up in very poor, rural China.

mnoge so odrasle v revščini na kitajskem podeželju.

These women are 29, they are told by their society that they are "left over,"

Stare so 29 let in družba jim pravi, da so "ostanki",

because they are not yet married,

ker še niso poročene.

and the process of coming together once a month at a meeting

Ta postopek druženja enkrat na mesec na sestanku

is helping them define who they are for themselves.

jim pomaga določiti, kdo so.

What they want in their careers. The kind of partners they want, if at all.

Kakšno kariero želijo. Kakšnega partnerja, če sploh.

I looked at them, we went around and introduced ourselves,

Pogledala sem jih, predstavili smo se,

and they all said their names and where they're from,

povedale so svoja imena in kraje

and I said, I'm Sheryl Sandberg, and this was my dream.

in rekla sem, sem Sheryl Sandberg in to so moje sanje.

And I kind of just started crying.

In nekako sem planila v jok.

Right, which, I admit, I do. Right? I've talked about it before.

Priznam, to počnem. O tem sem že govorila.

But the fact that a woman so far away out in the world, who grew up in a rural village,

Ampak dejstvo, da ženska tako daleč stran, odrasla na vasi,

who's being told to marry someone she doesn't want to marry,

ki so ji naročili, naj se poroči z nekom, ki ga ne mara,

can now go meet once a month with a group of people and refuse that,

se lahko sedaj enkrat na mesec sreča s skupino in temu nasprotuje

and find life on her own terms.

in si oblikuje življenje na svoj način.

That's the kind of change we have to hope for.

Na take spremembe moramo upati.

PM: Have you been surprised by the global nature of the message?

PM: Te je presenetila globalna narava tega sporočila?

Because I think when the book first came out, many people thought,

Ker, ko je knjiga izšla, je veliko ljudi mislilo,

well, this is a really important handbook for young women on their way up.

no, to je res pomembna knjiga za mlade ženske na poti navzgor.

They need to look at this, anticipate the barriers, and recognize them,

Prebrati jo morajo, pričakovati ovire in jih prepoznati,

put them out in the open, have the dialogue about it,

jih dati ven, imeti dialog o tem,

but that it's really for women who are that. Doing that. Pursuing the corporate world.

ampak v resnici je za ženske, ki to so. Ki to počnejo. Gredo v poslovni svet.

And yet the book is being read, as you say, in rural and developing countries.

A knjiga se vseeno bere, kot si rekla, v ruralnih državah, v državah v razvoju.

What part of that has surprised you, and perhaps led to a new perspective on your part?

Kaj od tega te je presenetilo in ti morda dalo novo perspektivo?

SS: The book is about self-confidence, and about equality.

SS: Knjiga govori o samozavesti in enakosti.

And it turns out, everywhere in the world, women need more self-confidence,

Povsod po svetu ženske potrebujejo več samozavesti,

because the world tells us we're not equal to men.

ker nam svet pravi, da nismo enake moškim.

Everywhere in the world, we live in a world where the men get "and,"

Povsod po svetu živimo v svetu, kjer moški dobijo "in"

and women get "or."

in ženske dobijo "ali".

I've never met a man who's been asked how he does it all. (Laughter)

Nikoli še nisem srečala moškega, ki bi ga vprašali, kako zmore vse. (Smeh)

Again, I'm going to turn to the men in the audience:

In spet se obračam k moškim v občinstvu:

Please raise your hand if you've been asked, how do you do it all?

Prosim dvignite roke, če so vas kdaj vprašali, kako zmorete vse.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Men only.

Samo moški.

Women, women. Please raise your hand if you've been asked how you do it all?

Ženske, ženske. Dvignite roke, če vas kdaj vprašali, kako vse to zmorete?

We assume men can do it all, slash -- have jobs and children.

Predvidevamo, da moški zmorejo vse oz. imajo službo in otroke.

We assume women can't, and that's ridiculous,

Predvidevamo, da ženske ne zmoremo, in to je trapasto,

because the great majority of women everywhere in the world, including the United States,

ker večina žensk po vsem svetu, tudi v ZDA,

work full time and have children.

dela in ima otroke.

And I think people don't fully understand how broad the message is.

Mislim, da se ne zavedamo, kako razširjeno je to sporočilo.

There is a circle that's been started for rescued sex workers in Miami.

Oblikoval se je krožek za rešene spolne delavke v Miamiju.

They're using "Lean In" to help people make the transition

Uporabljajo "nagniti se naprej", da lažje naredijo prehod

back to what would be a fair life, really rescuing them from their pimps, and using it.

nazaj k poštenemu življenju, jih resnično rešijo zvodnikov.

There are dress-for-success groups in Texas which are using the book,

Obstajajo skupine "obleci se za uspeh" v Teksasu, ki uporabljajo knjigo

for women who have never been to college.

za ženske, ki nikoli niso študirale.

And we know there are groups all the way to Ethiopia.

Skupine obstajajo vse do Etiopije.

And so these messages of equality -- of how women are told they can't have what men can have --

Prav ta sporočila o enakosti - kako ženske ne morejo imeti, kar imajo moški -

how we assume that leadership is for men, how we assume that voice is for men,

kako predvidevamo, da sta vodenje in glas za moške,

these affect all of us, and I think they are very universal.

vplivajo na vse nas in mislim, da so zelo univerzalna.

And it's part of what TEDWomen does.

To je del tega, kar počne TEDWomen.

It unites all of us in a cause we have to believe in,

Vse nas združuje v cilju, v katerega moramo verjeti,

which is more women, more voice, more equality.

ki pomeni več žensk, več glasu, več enakosti.

PM: If you were invited now to make another TEDWomen talk,

PM: Če bi te povabili, da pripraviš še en TEDWomen govor,

what would you say that is a result of this experience, for you personally,

kaj bi rekla, je rezultat te izkušnje zate osebno

and what you've learned about women, and men,

in kaj si se naučila o ženskah in o moških

as you've made this journey?

na tem potovanju?

SS: I think I would say -- I tried to say this strongly,

SS: Mislim, da bi rekla - poskusila sem to reči odločno,

but I think I can say it more strongly --

a mislim, da bi lahko še bolj odločno,

I want to say that the status quo is not enough.

reči hočem, da status quo ni dovolj.

That it's not good enough, that it's not changing quickly enough.

Ni dovolj dobro, da se ne spreminja dovolj hitro.

Since I gave my TED Talk and published my book, another year of data came out from the U.S. Census.

Od mojega TED govora in izida knjige so izšli statistični podatki za še eno leto.

And you know what we found?

Veste, kaj smo odkrili?

No movement in the wage gap for women in the United States.

Nobenega premika v razliki med plačami za ženske v ZDA.

Seventy-seven cents to the dollar.

77 centov proti enemu dolarju.

If you are a black woman, 64 cents.

Za temnopolte ženske 64 centov.

If you are a Latina, we're at 54 cents.

Če si Latinoameričanka, 54 centov.

Do you know when the last time those numbers went up?

Veste, kdaj so se te številke nazadnje dvignile?

2002.

2002.

We are stagnating, we are stagnating in so many ways.

Stagniramo, stagniramo na toliko načinov.

And I think we are not really being honest about that,

In mislim, da nismo odkriti glede tega,

for so many reasons. It's so hard to talk about gender.

iz mnogo razlogov. Težko je govoriti o spolu.

We shy away from the word "feminist," a word I really think we need to embrace.

Obračamo se stran od besede "feminist/ka", ki bi jo res morali sprejeti.

We have to get rid of the word bossy and bring back --

Znebiti se moramo besede ukazovalna in nazaj prinesti -

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

I think I would say in a louder voice, we need to get rid of the word "bossy"

Glasneje bi rekla, znebiti se moramo besede "ukazovalna"

and bring back the word "feminist," because we need it.

in pripeljati nazaj "feministka", ker to potrebujemo.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

PM: And we all need to do a lot more leaning in.

PM: In vsi se moramo več nagibati naprej.

SS: A lot more leaning in.

SS: Veliko nagibanja naprej.

PM: Thank you, Sheryl.

PM: Hvala ti, Sheryl.

Thanks for leaning in and saying yes.

Hvala, da si se nagnila naprej in rekla ja.

SS: Thank you.

SS: Hvala.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)