Sheryl Sandberg: So we leaned in ... now what?

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Surie Lee ๊ฒ€ํ† : kim jinyoung
00:12
Pat Mitchell: Your first time back on the TEDWomen stage.
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ํŒป ๋ฏธ์ฒผ: TEDWomen์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋‚˜์™€์ฃผ์…จ๊ตฐ์š”.
00:15
Sheryl Sandberg: First time back. Nice to see everyone. It's always so nice to look out
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์…ฐ๋ฆด ์ƒŒ๋“œ๋ฒ„๊ทธ : ๋„ค ๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ๋ต™๋„ค์š”. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ‘์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:18
and see so many women.
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๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋ถ„๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์œ ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
00:20
It's so not my regular experience, as I know anyone else's.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋“  ํ”์นœ ์•Š์ž–์•„์š”.
00:25
PM: So when we first started talking about, maybe the subject wouldn't be social media,
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ํŒป: ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ฒˆ TED์— ์˜ค์…จ์„ ๋•Œ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ•์—ฐํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ–ˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
00:30
which we assumed it would be, but that you had very much on your mind
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ฃผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…จ๋˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๋Š”
00:35
the missing leadership positions, particularly in the sector of technology and social media.
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ๊ณผ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•œ ๋ฆฌ๋” ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:42
But how did that evolve for you as a thought, and end up being the TED Talk that you gave?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  TED์—์„œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์…จ๋Š”์ง€์š”?
00:49
SS: So I was really scared to get on this stage and talk about women,
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์ด ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ๋‘๋ ค์› ์–ด์š”.
00:51
because I grew up in the business world, as I think so many of us did.
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๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋“ฏ, ์ €๋Š” ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
00:55
You never talk about being a woman, because someone might notice that you're a woman, right?
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ• ๊นŒ๋ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์‹ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
01:01
They might notice. Or worse, if you say "woman," people on the other end of the table
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์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•˜๊ฒ ์ง€์š”. ๋” ์‹ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋Š” "์—ฌ์„ฑ"์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํŽธ ํƒ์ž์— ์•‰์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
01:05
think you're asking for special treatment, or complaining.
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ํŠน๋ณ„ ๋Œ€์šฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€์š”.
01:09
Or worse, about to sue them. And so I went through -- (Laughter)
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๋˜๋Š” ์ž๊ธฐ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ ์†Œํ•˜๋ ค ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ.... -- (์›ƒ์Œ)
01:12
Right? I went through my entire business career,
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‹จ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„
01:14
and never spoke about being a woman, never spoke about it publicly.
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์‚ถ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ† ๋ก ํ•ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”. ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”์š”.
01:18
But I also had noticed that it wasn't working.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ ์€ ์ง„์ž‘๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:21
I came out of college over 20 years ago, and I thought
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20๋…„ ์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์กธ์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณด๋‹ˆ
01:24
that all of my peers were men and women, all the people above me were all men,
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์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋• ๋‚จ์ž, ์—ฌ์ž ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ƒ์‚ฌ๋ผ๊ณค ๋‚จ์ž๋ฐ–์— ์—†๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
01:28
but that would change,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
01:29
because your generation had done such an amazing job fighting for equality,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์„ธ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์–‘์„ฑ ํ‰๋“ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํˆฌ์Ÿ์— ํฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—์š”.
01:34
equality was now ours for the taking. And it wasn't.
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์ด์ œ ์–‘์„ฑ ํ‰๋“ฑ์ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ˜„์‹คํ™”๋˜์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๋• ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
01:38
Because year after year, I was one of fewer and fewer,
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ๋ฅผ์ˆ˜๋ก, ์ ์ฐจ ์ œ ์ฃผ์œ„์— ์—ฌ์ง์›๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ค„์—ˆ๊ณ ,
01:41
and now, often the only woman in a room.
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์ด์   ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ๋‚ด์˜ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ผ ๋•Œ๋„ ๋งŽ์ฃ .
01:43
And I talked to a bunch of people about,
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๋ช‡๋ช‡์—๊ฒŒ TEDWomen์—์„œ
01:45
should I give a speech at TEDWomen about women, and they said, oh no, no.
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๋‹ค๋“ค, ์˜ค, ์•ˆ๋ผ, ์•ˆ๋ผ.
01:48
It will end your business career. You cannot be a serious business executive
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋„ค ์ปค๋ฆฌ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๊ณ  ๋ง ๊ฑฐ์•ผ. ์—ฌ์ž๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์‚ถ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
01:54
and speak about being a woman. You'll never be taken seriously again.
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๊ฒฝ์˜์ž๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์–ด? ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
01:57
But fortunately, there were the few, the proud -- like you -- who told me I should give the speech,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹คํ–‰ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์†Œ์ˆ˜์˜ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
02:02
and I asked myself the question Mark Zuckerberg might --
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ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ์˜ ์ฐฝ์„ค์ž์ด์ž ์ œ ์ƒ์‚ฌ์ธ ๋งˆํฌ ์ฃผ์ปค๋ฒ„๊ทธ๊ฐ€
02:05
the founder of Facebook and my boss --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋˜์งˆ๋งŒํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ,
02:06
asks all of us, which is, what would I do if I wasn't afraid?
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์ฆ‰, "๋‘๋ ค์›€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋งŒ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์–˜๊ธฐํ• ๊นŒ?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ฌธํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
02:11
And the answer to what would I do if I wasn't afraid is I would get on the TED stage,
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๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €์˜ ๋‹ต์€ TED ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด, ๋ฆฌ๋”์‹ญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
02:15
and talk about women, and leadership. And I did, and survived. (Applause)
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๊ฐ•์—ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์ง€์š”. ์ €๋Š” ํ•ด๋ƒˆ๊ณ , ์‚ด์•„๋‚จ์•˜์–ด์š”. (๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
02:22
PM: I would say, not only survived. I'm thinking of that moment, Sheryl,
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ํŒป: ์ €๋Š” ์‚ด์•„๋‚จ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋„ค์š”. ์„ธ๋ฆด, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์š”.
02:26
when you and I were standing backstage together, and you turned to me,
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ๋’ค์— ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์„œ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ
02:30
and you told me a story.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…จ์ฃ .
02:32
And I said -- very last minute -- you know, you really should share that story.
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๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜์‹œ์ฃ ? ๊ทธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ์ข€ ๋“ค๋ ค์ฃผ์‹œ์ฃ .
02:36
SS: Oh, yeah. PM: What was that story?
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ์•„, ๋งž์•„์š”. ํŒป: ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์˜€์ฃ ?
02:38
SS: Well, it's an important part of the journey. So I had -- TEDWomen --
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ์Œ, ์ด๊ฑด ์—ฌ์ •์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์—์š”. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›๋ž˜ ์›Œ์‹ฑํ†ค DC์—์„œ ์—ด๋ ธ๋˜ TEDWomen์—
02:41
the original one was in D.C. -- so I live here, so I had gotten on a plane the day before,
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์ฐธ์„ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์‚ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ „์— ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
02:45
and my daughter was three, she was clinging to my leg: "Mommy, don't go."
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3์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ์ œ ๋”ธ์ด ์™€์„œ๋Š” ์ œ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์–ด์•ˆ๊ณ  "์—„๋งˆ, ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งˆ."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
02:50
And Pat's a friend, and so, not related to the speech I was planning on giving,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŒป์€ ์นœ๊ตฌ์˜€๊ธฐ์— ์‚ฌ์ ์ธ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์—†๊ณ  ์‹ค๋ก€์™€ ์ˆ˜์น˜๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“์ฐฌ
02:54
which was chock full of facts and figures, and nothing personal,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ๊ด€๊ณ„ ์—†๋Š”
02:58
I told Pat the story. I said, well, I'm having a hard day.
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ํŒป์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์—ˆ์ฃ . "ํž˜๋“  ๋‚ ์ด์—ˆ์–ด" ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
03:00
Yesterday my daughter was clinging to my leg, and "Don't go."
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"์–ด์ œ ๋”ธ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์™€์„œ ๋‚ด ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ผญ ์žก๊ณ ์„œ '๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋งˆ'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ฃ 
03:03
And you looked at me and said, you have to tell that story.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
03:05
I said, on the TED stage? Are you kidding?
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์ „, "์ด TED ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ์š”? ๋†๋‹ด์ด์ง€์š”?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
03:09
I'm going to get on a stage and admit my daughter was clinging to my leg?
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๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ ๋‚ด ๋”ธ์ด ๋‚ด ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ถ™๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ ?
03:11
And you said yes, because if you want to talk about getting more women into leadership roles,
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ๋ฆฌ๋”์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋งก์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š”
03:16
you have to be honest about how hard it is.
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์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํž˜๋“ ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์†”์งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
03:19
And I did. And I think that's a really important part of the journey.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์ด ์—ฌ์ •์˜ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
The same thing happened when I wrote my book. I started writing the book. I wrote a first chapter,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฑ…์„ ์“ธ ๋•Œ๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ฑ…์„ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ฒซ ์žฅ์„ ์“ฐ๋Š”๋ฐ
03:29
I thought it was fabulous. It was chock-full of data and figures,
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์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ž๋ฃŒ์™€ ์ˆ˜์น˜๊ฐ€ ํ•œ๊ฐ€๋“์ด์—ˆ์ง€์š”.
03:33
I had three pages on matrilineal Maasai tribes, and their sociological patterns.
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๋งˆ์‚ฌ์ด ๋ถ€์กฑ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ณ„ ์‚ฌํšŒ์™€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ ํ˜•ํƒœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์„ธ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋ฅผ ํ• ์• ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
03:41
My husband read it and he was like, this is like eating your Wheaties. (Laughter)
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์ œ ๋‚จํŽธ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด๋Š”๋ฐ ๋งˆ์น˜ ์œ„ํ‹ฐ ์”จ๋ฆฌ์–ผ์„ ๋จน๋Š” ๊ฑฐ ๊ฐ™๋”๊ตฐ์š”. (์›ƒ์Œ)
03:46
No one -- and I apologize to Wheaties if there's someone -- no one, no one will read this book.
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"์•„๋ฌด๋„" -- ์œ„ํ‹ฐ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ถ„์ด ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ฃ„์†กํ•ด์š” -- "์•„๋ฌด๋„, ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์ด ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์„๊ฑฐdi."
03:53
And I realized through the process that I had to be more honest and more open,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์†”์งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์–ด์š”.
03:57
and I had to tell my stories. My stories of still not feeling as self-confident as I should,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋„ฃ์—ˆ์ง€์š”. ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ง ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ž์‹ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
04:02
in many situations. My first and failed marriage. Crying at work.
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์ œ ์ฒซ ์‹คํŒจํ•œ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„์š”. ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์šธ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๋„์š”.
04:08
Felling like I didn't belong there, feeling guilty to this day.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์†Œ์†๋˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๋Š๋‚Œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋‚จ์€ ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋„์š”.
04:12
And part of my journey, starting on this stage, going to "Lean In," going to the foundation,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ œ ์—ฌ์ •์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€, ์ฆ‰ "๋ฆฐ์ธ"(๋‹ฌ๋ ค๋“ค๋‹ค)ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹จ์ฒด์— ๋ด‰์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
04:16
is all about being more open and honest about those challenges,
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋„์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋”์šฑ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์†”์งํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—์š”.
04:20
so that other women can be more open and honest,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์†”์งํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
04:22
and all of us can work together towards real equality.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ํ‰๋“ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:26
PM: I think that one of the most striking parts about the book,
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ํŒป: ์ฑ…์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์ž
04:29
and in my opinion, one of the reasons it's hit such a nerve and is resonating around the world,
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด ์ฑ…์ด ์šฉ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ๋‹์•„์ฃผ๊ณ  ์„ธ์ƒ์— ๋ฐ˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๋Š” ์ด์œ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
04:35
is that you are personal in the book, and that you do make it clear that,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ๋„
04:41
while you've observed some things that are very important for other women to know,
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์ด ์ฑ…์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ธ๊ฐ„์ ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
04:45
that you've had the same challenges that many others of us have,
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚œ๊ด€๊ณผ ์žฅ์• ๋ฌผ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜
04:49
as you faced the hurdles and the barriers and possibly the people who don't believe the same.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ๋„์ „์„ ๊ฒช์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด์—์š”.
04:56
So talk about that process: deciding you'd go public with the private part,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ณผ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ 
05:01
and then you would also put yourself in the position of something of an expert
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋„์ „๋“ค์˜ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ ๋ฐฉ์•ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
05:05
on how to resolve those challenges.
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์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์˜ ์œ„์น˜์— ์„œ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์ž์ฒ˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
05:08
SS: After I did the TED Talk, what happened was --
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์…ฐ๋ฆด: TED ๊ฐ•์—ฐ ํ›„์— ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด,
05:10
you know, I never really expected to write a book, I'm not an author, I'm not a writer,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ฑ…์„ ์“ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ €๋Š” ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‚˜ ์ €์ˆ ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
05:14
and it was viewed a lot, and it really started impacting people's lives.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ๋ณด์•˜๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
05:19
I got this great --- one of the first letters I got was from a woman
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์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ -- ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ฐ›์€ ํŽธ์ง€ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•œ ์—ฌ์ž๋ถ„์ด ๋ณด๋‚ด์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ,
05:22
who said that she was offered a really big promotion at work, and she turned it down,
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ํฐ ์Šน์ง„์„ ์ œ์•ˆ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ ์ œ์•ˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ ์„œ
05:27
and she told her best friend she turned it down, and her best friend said,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์นœํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋‹ˆ
05:30
you really need to watch this TED Talk.
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ TED ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ๊ผญ ๋ณด๋ผ๊ณ  ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
05:31
And so she watched this TED Talk, and she went back the next day, she took the job,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด TED ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‚  ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ทธ ์ œ์•ˆ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์˜€๊ณ 
05:36
she went home, and she handed her husband the grocery list. (Laughter)
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์ง‘์— ์™€์„œ ๋‚จํŽธ์—๊ฒŒ ์žฅ๋ณผ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋„ค์š”. (์›ƒ์Œ)
05:41
And she said, I can do this.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , "๋‚œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด" ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋‹ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:42
And what really mattered to me -- it wasn't only women in the corporate world,
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
05:45
even though I did hear from a lot of them, and it did impact a lot of them,
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๋˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ผ์ณค์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
05:48
it was also people of all different circumstances.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:52
There was a doctor I met who was an attending physician at Johns Hopkins,
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์กด์Šค ํ™‰ํ‚จ์Šค ๋ณ‘์›์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ํ•œ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
and he said that until he saw my TED Talk, it never really occurred to him
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ œ TED ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ๋Š”
06:00
that even though half the students in his med school classes were women,
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์˜๋Œ€ ํ•™์ƒ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด์ง€๋งŒ ํšŒ์ง„์„ ๋Œ ๋•Œ ๋‚จ์„ฑ๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
06:02
they weren't speaking as much as the men as he did his rounds.
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๋ง์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊ทธ์ œ์„œ์•ผ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜๋‹ค๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
06:05
So he started paying attention, and as he waited for raised hands, he realized the men's hands were up.
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์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ด๊ณ  ์†์„ ๋“ค๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ์ž ๋‚จ์ž๋“ค๋งŒ ์†์„ ๋“ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:11
So he started encouraging the women to raise their hands more,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ์ž๋“ค๋„ ์†์„ ๋“ค๋„๋ก ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
06:13
and it still didn't work.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์ง€์š”.
06:15
So he told everyone, no more hand raising, I'm cold-calling.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ์† ๋“ค์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ  ํ˜ธ๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ณ ์„œ
06:18
So he could call evenly on men and women. And what he proved to himself was that
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๋‚จ์ž์™€ ์—ฌ์ž๋ฅผ ๊ณตํ‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ˜ธ๋ช…ํ•˜๋‹ˆ
06:22
the women knew the answers just as well or better,
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์—ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‹ต์„ ๋” ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ ,
06:25
and he was able to go back to them and tell them that.
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๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
And then there was the woman, stay-at-home mom, lives in a really difficult neighborhood,
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๋˜ ์ข‹์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ • ์ฃผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:32
with not a great school, she said that TED Talk -- she's never had a corporate job,
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๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ง์žฅ์— ๋‹ค๋…€ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
06:36
but that TED Talk inspired her to go to her school and fight for a better teacher for her child.
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๊ทธ TED ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ ํ•™๊ต์— ์ฐพ์•„๊ฐ€ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์„ ์ƒ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:42
And I guess it was part of was finding my own voice.
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์ œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
06:46
And I realized that other women and men could find their voice through it,
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๋˜ํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค, ๋‚จ๋…€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ทธ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:50
which is why I went from the talk to the book.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ์ฑ…์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์ง€์š”.
06:53
PM: And in the book, you not only found your voice, which is clear and strong in the book,
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ํŒป: ์ฑ…์—๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋ฟ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:59
but you also share what you've learned --
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
07:03
the experiences of other people in the lessons.
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๊ทธ ๊ตํ›ˆ ์†์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๋“ค๋„์š”.
07:06
And that's what I'm thinking about in terms of putting yourself in a --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด
07:10
you became a sort of expert in how you lean in.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋„์ „ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:15
So what did that feel like, and become like in your life?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋‚˜์š”?
07:20
To launch not just a book, not just a best-selling, best-viewed talk,
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๊ทธ์ € ์ฑ…์„ ๋‚ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋ฒ ์ŠคํŠธ์…€๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณธ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
07:26
but a movement, where people began to literally describe their actions at work as,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ํ–‰๋™์„ ๋ฌ˜์‚ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์šด๋™
07:32
I'm leaning in.
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์ฆ‰, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค๋“œ๋Š” ์šด๋™ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:34
SS: I mean, I'm grateful, I'm honored, I'm happy, and it's the very beginning.
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•  ๋”ฐ๋ฆ„์ด์—์š”. ์˜์˜ˆ๋กญ๊ณ  ํ–‰๋ณตํ•ด์š”. ์ด๊ฑด ์‹œ์ž‘์ผ ๋ฟ์ด์—์š”.
07:41
So I don't know if I'm an expert, or if anyone is an expert. I certainly have done a lot of research.
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์ €๋“  ์–ด๋Š ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“  ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ธ์ง€๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
07:46
I have read every study, I have pored over the materials,
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๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฐ๊ตฌ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ฝ๊ณ , ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ํƒ๋…ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
07:49
and the lessons are very clear. Because here's what we know:
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๊ตํ›ˆ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”:
07:53
What we know is that stereotypes are holding women back from leadership roles all over the world.
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์„ ๋ฆฌ๋”์‹ญ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฉ€์–ด์ง€๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณ ์ • ๊ด€๋…๋“ค์ด์š”.
07:58
It's so striking. "Lean In" is very global, I've been all over the world,
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์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ ์ด์˜€์–ด์š”. "๋ฆฐ์ธ"์€ ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์กŒ์ฃ .
08:00
talking about it, and -- cultures are so different.
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฌธํ™”๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”.
08:03
Even within our own country, to Japan, to Korea, to China, to Asia, Europe,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋‚ด์—์„œ๋„, ์ผ๋ณธ, ํ•œ๊ตญ, ์ค‘๊ตญ, ์•„์‹œ์•„, ์œ ๋Ÿฝ,
08:08
they're so different. Except for one thing: gender.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค ๋‹ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”. ๋‹จ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋งŒ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ์„œ์š”.
08:12
All over the world, no matter what our cultures are,
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ 
08:14
we think men should be strong, assertive, aggressive, have voice;
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๋‚จ์„ฑ์€ ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ ๋„˜์น˜๊ณ , ๋„์ „์ ์ด๊ณ , ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‚ธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
08:18
we think women should speak when spoken to, help others.
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์€ ์ˆ˜๋™์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์กฐํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
08:22
Now we have, all over the world,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์—๋Š”
08:26
women are called "bossy." There is a word for "bossy,"
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'Bossy(์šฐ๋‘๋จธ๋ฆฌ ํ–‰์„ธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š”)'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
08:30
for little girls, in every language there's one.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์–ธ์–ด์— ์—ฌ์ž ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ 'Bossy'๋ผ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
08:32
It's a word that's pretty much not used for little boys,
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๋‚จ์ž ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ž˜ ์“ฐ์ด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์ง€์š”.
08:35
because if a little boy leads, there's no negative word for it,
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๋‚จ์ž ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์„œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋ถ€์ •์  ์˜๋ฏธ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”.
08:37
it's expected. But if a little girl leads, she's bossy.
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๋‚จ์ž ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์žฅ๋ ค๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ž ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์„œ๋ ค๊ณ ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด Bossyํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉฐ ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•˜์ฃ .
08:42
Now I know there aren't a lot of men here, but bear with me.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋‚จ์ž ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ๋งŽ์ด ์•ˆ๊ณ„์‹œ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฐธ๊ณ  ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
08:44
If you're a man, you'll have to represent your gender.
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๋‚จ์ž ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์„ ๋Œ€ํ‘œํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
08:47
Please raise your hand if you've been told you're too aggressive at work.
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์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์‹  ์ ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์†์„ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
08:52
(Laughter) There's always a few, it runs about five percent. Okay, get ready, gentlemen.
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(์›ƒ์Œ) ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ ์–ด์š”. ํ•œ 5% ์ •๋„ ๋˜๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”, ์ž ์‹ ์‚ฌ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„,
08:58
If you're a woman, please raise your hand if you've ever been told you're too aggressive at work.
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์—ฌ์ž๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์œผ๋ฉด ์†์„ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
09:05
(Laughter) That is what audiences have said in every country in the world,
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(์›ƒ์Œ) ์„ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์—์„œ ์ฒญ์ค‘๋“ค์˜ ๋ฐ˜์‘์ด ์ด๋ž˜์š”.
09:08
and it's deeply supported by the data.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ์ž๋ฃŒ๋กœ๋„ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจ ๋˜์ง€์š”.
09:11
Now, do we think women are more aggressive than men? Of course not.
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์ž, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ๋‚จ์„ฑ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€์š”.
09:16
It's just that we judge them through a different lens,
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๋‹จ์ง€ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ด€์ ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋ฟ์ด์ฃ .
09:18
and a lot of the character traits that you must exhibit to perform at work, to get results, to lead,
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์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์ฃผ๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋“ฑ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค˜์•ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์  ํŠน์ง•๋“ค์ด
09:23
are ones that we think, in a man, he's a boss,
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๋‚จ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์Šค์ด์ง€์š”.
09:26
and in a woman, she's bossy.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์„œ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ง€์š”.
09:27
And the good news about this is that we can change this by acknowledging it.
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์ข‹์€ ์†Œ์‹์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ธ์‹์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด์ง€์š”.
09:31
One of the happiest moments I had in this whole journey is,
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฌ์ •์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ–‰๋ณตํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
09:34
after the book came out, I stood on a stage with John Chambers, the CEO of Cisco.
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์ฑ…์ด ์ถœ๊ฐ„๋˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์‹œ์Šค์ฝ”์˜ CEO์ธ ์กด ์ฑ”๋ฒ„์Šค์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ž์„ ๋•Œ์—์š”.
09:39
He read the book. He stood on a stage with me, he invited me in front of his whole management team,
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๊ทธ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝ์˜ ๋ถ€์„œ ๋‚จ๋…€ ์ง์›๋“ค ์•ž์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:42
men and women, and he said, I thought we were good at this. I thought I was good at this.
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:46
And then I read this book, and I realized that we -- my company --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ ๋‚˜์„œ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด๋‹ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ
09:51
we have called all of our senior women too aggressive,
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณ ์œ„์ง๊ธ‰ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
09:53
and I'm standing on this stage, and I'm sorry.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” "์ด ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ ์ฃ„์†กํ•œ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์ „ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:55
And I want you to know we're never going to do it again.
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๋˜ "๋‹ค์‹œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ์•„์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž˜์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
09:59
PM: Can we send that to a lot of other people that we know? (Applause)
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ํŒป: ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”? (๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
10:02
SS: And so John is doing that because he believes it's good for his company,
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ์กด์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
10:06
and so this kind of acknowledgement of these biases can change it.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ํŽธ๊ฒฌ๋“ค์„ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:09
And so next time you all see someone call a little girl "bossy,"
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ์ž ์•„์ด๋”๋Ÿฌ "Bossy"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด
10:13
you walk right up to that person, big smile, and you say,
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ฏธ์†Œ์ง€์œผ๋ฉฐ
10:16
"That little girl's not bossy. That little girl has executive leadership skills." (Laughter)
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๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋Š” Bossyํ•œ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ž์  ๋ฆฌ๋”์‹ญ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. (์›ƒ์Œ)
10:22
PM: I know that's what you're telling your daughter. SS: Absolutely.
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ํŒป: ๋”ธ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ์ง€์š”? ์„ธ๋ฆด: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€์š”.
10:25
PM: And you did focus in the book -- and the reason, as you said, in writing it,
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ํŒป: ์ฑ…์— ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ ๋Œ€๋กœ
10:28
was to create a dialogue about this.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ด๋Œ์–ด๋‚ด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
10:30
I mean, let's just put it out there, face the fact that women are --
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์ฆ‰ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์ฒ˜ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์ง๋ฉดํ•˜๊ณ 
10:34
in a time when we have more open doors, and more opportunities --
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ด๋ฆฐ ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
10:37
are still not getting to the leadership positions.
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๋ถ€์„œ์žฅ ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ํ˜„์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์ด์ง€์š”.
10:41
So in the months that have come since the book,
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"๋ฆฐ ์ธ"์ด ์ถœ๊ฐ„๋œ์ง€ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ์ด ์ง€๋‚ฌ๊ณ  ์ฒต์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ
10:43
in which "Lean In" focused on that and said,
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์•„์ง ๋„์ „ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค์ด ๋‚จ์•„์žˆ๊ณ ,
10:46
here are some of the challenges that remain, and many of them we have to own within ourselves
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์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
10:50
and look at ourselves. What has changed?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
10:53
Have you seen changes?
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๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
10:55
SS: Well, there's certainly more dialogue, which is great.
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
10:57
But what really matters to me, and I think all of us, is action.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ–‰๋™ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
11:00
So everywhere I go, CEOs, they're mostly men, say to me,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ณณ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์ธ CEO๋“ค์ด
11:04
you're costing me so much money
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๋ˆ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์š”.
11:06
because all the women want to be paid as much as the men.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ๋‚จ์„ฑ๋“ค๋งŒํผ ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
11:10
And to them I say, I'm not sorry at all. (Laughter)
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์ €๋Š” ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ฏธ์•ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์š”. (์›ƒ์Œ)
11:14
At all. I mean, the women should be paid as much as the men.
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๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋„ ๋‚จ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์ด ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
11:17
Everywhere I go, women tell me they ask for raises.
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์–ด๋””๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋“  ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์€ ๋ด‰๊ธ‰ ์ธ์ƒ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:20
Everywhere I go, women say they're getting better relationships with their spouses,
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์–ด๋””๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋“  ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ž์™€ ๋” ์ข‹์€ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ด์š”.
11:24
asking for more help at home, asking for the promotions they should be getting at work,
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๊ฐ€์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋” ๋„์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ๋„ ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์Šน์ง„์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•ด์š”.
11:28
and importantly, believing it themselves. Even little things.
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๊ทธ๋“ค ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์–ด์š”. ์•„์ฃผ ์ž‘์€๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋„์š”.
11:31
One of the governors of one of the states told me that he didn't realize that more women were, in fact,
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ํ•œ ์ฃผ์‹œ์ž๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด
11:35
literally sitting on the side of the room, which they are,
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๋’ท์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์•‰๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฐ๋ž๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
11:37
and now he made a rule that all the women on his staff need to sit at the table.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฌ์„ฑ ์ง์›๋“ค์ด ์•ž์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์•‰์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
11:43
The foundation I started along with the book "Lean In"
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"๋ฆฐ ์ธ"์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์žฌ๋‹จ์—์„œ
11:45
helps women, or men, start circles -- small groups,
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์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‚จ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ์ด๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๋ชจ์ž„๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
11:48
it can be 10, it can be however many you want, which meet once a month.
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10 ๋ช…์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ๋ช…์ด๋“  ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ชจ์—ฌ์š”.
11:52
I would have hoped that by now, we'd have about 500 circles. That would've been great.
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ 500๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ชจ์ž„์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋žฌ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋Œ€๋‹จํ• ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
11:55
You know, 500 times roughly 10.
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์•ฝ 10 ๋ช…์ด ๋ชจ์ธ 500๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ชจ์ž„์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
11:58
There are over 12,000 circles in 50 countries in the world.
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„ 50 ๊ฐœ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๋งŒ์ด์ฒœ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ชจ์ž„์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
12:01
PM: Wow, that's amazing.
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ํŒป: ์™€, ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ๋ฐ์š”.
12:03
SS: And these are people who are meeting every single month.
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งค๋‹ฌ ๋ชจ์—ฌ์š”.
12:06
I met one of them, I was in Beijing.
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๋ฒ ์ด์ง•์—์„œ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ชจ์ž„์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ”์–ด์š”.
12:08
A group of women, they're all about 29 or 30, they started the first Lean In circle in Beijing,
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์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์˜ ๋ชจ์ž„์ธ๋ฐ 29์„ธ์—์„œ 30์„ธ ์ •๋„์—์š”. ๋ฒ ์ด์ง•์—์„œ ์ฒซ ๋ฆฐ ์ธ ๋ชจ์ž„์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์ง€์š”.
12:13
several of them grew up in very poor, rural China.
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๋งŽ์€ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ณจ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ž์–ด์š”.
12:17
These women are 29, they are told by their society that they are "left over,"
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ 29์‚ด์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์€ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ "๋…ธ์ฒ˜๋…€"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ ธ์ฃ .
12:23
because they are not yet married,
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์•„์ง ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์„ ์•ˆํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—์š”.
12:25
and the process of coming together once a month at a meeting
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๋งค๋‹ฌ ๋ชจ์ด๋Š” ๊ณผ์ • ์ค‘์—
12:27
is helping them define who they are for themselves.
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์ž์‹ ๋“ค์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ •์˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
12:31
What they want in their careers. The kind of partners they want, if at all.
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๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ž๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
12:35
I looked at them, we went around and introduced ourselves,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
12:37
and they all said their names and where they're from,
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๋ชจ๋‘ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด๋”” ์ถœ์‹ ์ธ์ง€ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
12:39
and I said, I'm Sheryl Sandberg, and this was my dream.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์„ธ๋ฆด ์ƒŒ๋“œ๋ฒ„๊ทธ์ด๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ ๊ฟˆ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
12:42
And I kind of just started crying.
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๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์šธ์Œ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
12:44
Right, which, I admit, I do. Right? I've talked about it before.
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๋งž์•„์š”. ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์š”. ์ „์— ์–˜๊ธฐํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
12:49
But the fact that a woman so far away out in the world, who grew up in a rural village,
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์„ธ์ƒ ์ € ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ์‹œ๊ณจ ๋งˆ์„์—์„œ ์ž๋ž€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด
12:54
who's being told to marry someone she doesn't want to marry,
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์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
12:58
can now go meet once a month with a group of people and refuse that,
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ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ชจ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ์ž„์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ณ 
13:01
and find life on her own terms.
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๊ทธ ํ˜ผ๋‹ด์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ์ฐพ์•˜์–ด์š”.
13:04
That's the kind of change we have to hope for.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์†Œ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ™”์—์š”.
13:06
PM: Have you been surprised by the global nature of the message?
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ํŒป: ์ด ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ด๋ž€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ๋†€๋ž์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
13:09
Because I think when the book first came out, many people thought,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด ์ฑ…์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ถœ๊ฐ„๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
13:12
well, this is a really important handbook for young women on their way up.
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์ Š์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์Šน์ง„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์•ˆ๋‚ดํ•˜๋Š” ์ฑ…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
13:16
They need to look at this, anticipate the barriers, and recognize them,
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์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„  ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์„ ์˜ˆ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ์ธ์ง€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
13:20
put them out in the open, have the dialogue about it,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•ด์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Œ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€์š”.
13:23
but that it's really for women who are that. Doing that. Pursuing the corporate world.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ๊ธฐ์—… ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:28
And yet the book is being read, as you say, in rural and developing countries.
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๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ ๋Œ€๋กœ ์‹œ๊ณจ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๋„์ƒ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์ฑ…์ด ์ฝํ˜€์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ ์š”.
13:33
What part of that has surprised you, and perhaps led to a new perspective on your part?
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๋†€๋ผ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
13:40
SS: The book is about self-confidence, and about equality.
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ์ด ์ฑ…์€ ์ž์กด๊ฐ๊ณผ ํ‰๋“ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด์—์š”.
13:43
And it turns out, everywhere in the world, women need more self-confidence,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ์ƒ์˜ ์–ด๋Š ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋„ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ž์กด๊ฐ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ฌ์ง€์š”.
13:47
because the world tells us we're not equal to men.
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์„ธ์ƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚จ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋™๋“ฑํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
13:49
Everywhere in the world, we live in a world where the men get "and,"
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์„ธ์ƒ ์–ด๋Š ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋„ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” "๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ "๊ฐ€ ๋ถ™๊ณ ,
13:53
and women get "or."
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” "๋˜๋Š”"์ด ๋ถ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:54
I've never met a man who's been asked how he does it all. (Laughter)
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค ํ•ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋ƒ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”. (์›ƒ์Œ)
13:58
Again, I'm going to turn to the men in the audience:
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋‚จ์„ฑ ์ฒญ์ค‘๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ด์•ผ๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
14:01
Please raise your hand if you've been asked, how do you do it all?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค ํ•ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋ƒ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋ณด์‹  ๋ถ„ ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
14:04
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
14:05
Men only.
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๋‚จ์„ฑ๋งŒ์š”.
14:07
Women, women. Please raise your hand if you've been asked how you do it all?
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์—ฌ์„ฑ๋ถ„๋“ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„ ๋ณด์‹  ์  ์žˆ์œผ์„ธ์š”?
14:12
We assume men can do it all, slash -- have jobs and children.
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๋‚จ์ž๋Š” ๋‹ค ํ•ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰ ์ผ๊ณผ ์œก์•„ ๋ง์ด์ง€์š”.
14:18
We assume women can't, and that's ridiculous,
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์—ฌ์ž๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ์•„์ฃผ ์ด์ƒํ•˜์ง€์š”.
14:20
because the great majority of women everywhere in the world, including the United States,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ์„ธ์ƒ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ๋„ ๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด
14:23
work full time and have children.
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์ข…์ผ ์ผํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์•„์ด๋„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
14:26
And I think people don't fully understand how broad the message is.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ๋ฉ”์„ธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ์ง€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
14:31
There is a circle that's been started for rescued sex workers in Miami.
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๋งˆ์ด์• ๋ฏธ์— ์„ฑ๋…ธ๋™์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ตฌ์ถœ๋œ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๋ชจ์ž„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:35
They're using "Lean In" to help people make the transition
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ณต์ •ํ•œ ์‚ถ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ 
14:40
back to what would be a fair life, really rescuing them from their pimps, and using it.
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๋งค์ถ˜ ์•Œ์„ ์—…์ž๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ตฌ์ถœํ•ด๋‚ด๋Š”๋ฐ "๋ฆฐ ์ธ"์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
14:45
There are dress-for-success groups in Texas which are using the book,
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ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์˜ท์ฐจ๋ฆผ ๋ชจ์ž„์—์„œ๋„ ์ด ์ฑ…์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
14:49
for women who have never been to college.
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†๋Š” ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
14:51
And we know there are groups all the way to Ethiopia.
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์—ํ‹ฐ์˜คํ”ผ์•„์— ์ด๋ฅด๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ชจ์ž„๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
14:55
And so these messages of equality -- of how women are told they can't have what men can have --
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์€ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์ด ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ 
15:00
how we assume that leadership is for men, how we assume that voice is for men,
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๋ฆฌ๋”์‹ญ์€ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฃผ์žฅ์€ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋Š”
15:05
these affect all of us, and I think they are very universal.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ‰๋“ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฉ”์„ธ์ง€๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์นฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณดํŽธ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
15:08
And it's part of what TEDWomen does.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด TEDWomen์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:09
It unites all of us in a cause we have to believe in,
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ, ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ, ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ‰๋“ฑ์„
15:13
which is more women, more voice, more equality.
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๋ฏฟ์–ด์•ผํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋กœ ๋ฌถ์–ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:17
PM: If you were invited now to make another TEDWomen talk,
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ํŒป: ๋‹ค๋ฅธ TEDWomen ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ดˆ๋Œ€๋˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
15:24
what would you say that is a result of this experience, for you personally,
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์˜ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋กœ์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
15:30
and what you've learned about women, and men,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์—ฌ์ •์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋‚จ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
15:32
as you've made this journey?
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€์š”?
15:36
SS: I think I would say -- I tried to say this strongly,
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฑธ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
15:39
but I think I can say it more strongly --
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๋”์šฑ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
15:41
I want to say that the status quo is not enough.
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ํ˜„ ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
15:45
That it's not good enough, that it's not changing quickly enough.
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์ถฉ๋ถ„์น˜ ์•Š์•„์š”. ์•„์ง ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋„ ์•Š๊ณ ์š”.
15:48
Since I gave my TED Talk and published my book, another year of data came out from the U.S. Census.
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TED์—์„œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฑ…์„ ๋‚ธ ์ดํ›„์—๋„ ๋ฏธ์—ฐ๋ฐฉ ํ†ต๊ณ„ ์ž๋ฃŒ์—์„œ
15:53
And you know what we found?
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์„ธ์š”?
15:55
No movement in the wage gap for women in the United States.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋‚ด ์ž„๊ธˆ ๊ฒฉ์ฐจ์— ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
15:57
Seventy-seven cents to the dollar.
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๋‚จ์„ฑ์ด 1๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ๋•Œ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์€ 77์„ผํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
16:00
If you are a black woman, 64 cents.
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ํ‘์ธ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด 64์„ผํŠธ์—์š”.
16:02
If you are a Latina, we're at 54 cents.
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๋ผํ‹ด๊ณ„ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด 54์„ผํŠธ๊ณ ์š”.
16:05
Do you know when the last time those numbers went up?
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ์ด ์ˆซ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ƒํ–ฅ๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์ œ์ธ์ง€ ์•„์„ธ์š”?
16:07
2002.
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2002๋…„์ด์—์š”.
16:11
We are stagnating, we are stagnating in so many ways.
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์ •์ฒด๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ •์ฒด๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
16:14
And I think we are not really being honest about that,
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์†”์งํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
16:17
for so many reasons. It's so hard to talk about gender.
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๋งŽ์€ ์ด์œ ์—์„œ์ฃ . ์„ฑ๋ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์š”.
16:20
We shy away from the word "feminist," a word I really think we need to embrace.
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'ํŽ˜๋ฏธ๋‹ˆ์ŠคํŠธ'๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•˜์ฃ . ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
16:24
We have to get rid of the word bossy and bring back --
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๋‚˜์„ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง๋„ ์—†์• ๊ณ  ๋˜์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
16:27
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
16:30
I think I would say in a louder voice, we need to get rid of the word "bossy"
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๋” ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ๋‚˜์„ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง, "Bossy"ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์—†์• ๊ณ 
16:35
and bring back the word "feminist," because we need it.
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ํŽ˜๋ฏธ๋‹ˆ์ŠคํŠธ๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋˜์ฐพ์•„์™€์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
16:38
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
16:39
PM: And we all need to do a lot more leaning in.
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ํŒป: "๋ฆฐ ์ธ"์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋”์šฑ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
16:42
SS: A lot more leaning in.
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ๋” ๋งŽ์ด "๋ฆฐ ์ธ"ํ•ด์•ผ์ฃ .
16:44
PM: Thank you, Sheryl.
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ํŒป: ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”, ์„ธ๋ฆด.
16:45
Thanks for leaning in and saying yes.
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"๋ฆฐ ์ธ"ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ  "๋„ค" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‹ตํ•ด์ค˜์„œ ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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SS: Thank you.
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์„ธ๋ฆด: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:48
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