His Holiness the Karmapa: The technology of the heart

Translator: Ziva Vidic Licul Reviewer: Sara Tanjga

Tyler Dewar: The way I feel right now

Tyler Dewar: Počutim se kot,

is that all of the other speakers

da so vsi ostali predavatelji

have said exactly what I wanted to say.

povedali natanko to, kar sem želel povedati sam.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

And it seems that the only thing left for me to say

In zdi se, da je edino kar mi ostane,

is to thank you all for your kindness.

da se zahvalim za vašo ljubeznivost.

TD: But maybe in the spirit

TD: A morda lahko v duhu

of appreciating the kindness of you all,

hvaležnosti za vašo ljubeznivost,

I could share with you

z vami delim

a little story about myself.

zgodbico o sebi.

TD: From the time I was very young, onward,

TD: Od zelo rane mladosti dalje,

I was given

so mi naložili

a lot of different responsibilities,

veliko vseh mogočih odgovornosti,

and it always seemed to me, when I was young,

in ko sem bil majhen se mi je vedno zdelo,

that everything was laid out before me.

da je zame že v naprej vse določeno.

All of the plans for me were already made.

Vsi načrti zame so bili že narejeni.

I was given the clothes that I needed to wear

Dali so mi obleke, ki sem jih moral nositi,

and told where I needed to be,

povedali so mi kje moram biti,

given these very precious

glede na to da nosim ta, izredno dragocena

and holy looking robes to wear,

in posvečena meniška oblačila,

with the understanding

z razumevanjem

that it was something sacred or important.

da gre za nekaj svetega in pomembnega.

TD: But before that kind of formal lifestyle happened for me,

TD: A preden sem pričel živeti to formalno življenje,

I was living in eastern Tibet with my family.

sem s svojo družino živel v Vzhodnem Tibetu.

And when I was seven years old,

In ko sem bil star sedem let,

all of a sudden,

je povsem nepričakovano,

a search party arrived at my home.

v moj dom prišla skupina ljudi.

They were looking the next Karmapa,

Iskali so naslednjega Karmapo,

and I noticed they were talking to my mom and dad,

in opazil sem, da se pogovarjajo z mojo mamo in očetom.

and the news came to me that they were telling me

Do mene je prišla novica,

that I was the Karmapa.

da sem Karmapa jaz.

And these days, people ask me a lot,

In dandanes me ljudje pogosto sprašujejo

how did that feel.

kako sem se takrat počutil.

How did that feel when they came and whisked you away,

Kako ti je bilo, ko so prišli in te na hitro odpeljali,

and your lifestyle completely changed?

in se je s tem tvoj življenjski slog popolnoma spremenil?

And what I mostly say is that,

In kar jim ponavadi odgovorim je,

at that time,

da je bila takrat zame

it was a pretty interesting idea to me.

to precej zanimiva ideja.

I thought that things would be pretty fun

Zdelo se mi je, da bo kar zabavno

and there would be more things to play with.

in da bo dosti več stvari, s katerimi se bom lahko igral.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

TD: But it didn't turn out to be so fun and entertaining,

TD: A izkazalo se je, da ni bilo tako zabavno in prijetno,

as I thought it would have been.

kot sem si predstavljal.

I was placed

Postavljen sem bil

in a pretty strictly controlled environment.

v precej strogo nadzorovano okolje.

And immediately,

In nemudoma

a lot of different responsibilities,

so se name zgrnile različne odgovornosti,

in terms of my education and so forth, were heaped upon me.

v smislu mojega izobraževanja in drugih stvari.

I was separated, largely, from my family,

V veliki meri sem bil ločen od svoje družine,

including my mother and father.

vključno z mojo mamo in očetom.

I didn't have have many personal friends

Nisem imel veliko osebnih prijateljev

to spend time with,

s katerimi bi lahko preživljal čas,

but I was expected to perform

namesto tega so od mene pričakovali,

these prescribed duties.

da bom izvajal vse predpisane dolžnosti.

So it turned out that my fantasy

Izkazalo se je, da se moja fantazija

about an entertaining life of being the Karmapa

o zabavnem življenju Karmape

wasn't going to come true.

ne bo izpolnila.

It more felt to be the case to me

Bolj kot to, se mi je zdelo,

that I was being treated like a statue,

da z menoj delajo kot s kipom,

and I was to sit in one place

in jaz naj bi sedel na enem mestu

like a statue would.

tako kot kip.

TD: Nevertheless, I felt that,

TD: A vendarle sem čutil,

even though I've been separated from my loved ones --

čeprav sem bil ločen od svojih najbližjih --

and, of course, now I'm even further away.

in, seveda, zdaj sem oddaljen še dlje.

When I was 14, I escaped from Tibet

Pri štirinajstih letih sem pobegnil iz Tibeta

and became even further removed

in s tem postal še bolj oddaljen

from my mother and father,

od svoje mame in očeta,

my relatives, my friends

sorodnikov in prijateljev

and my homeland.

in svoje domovine.

But nevertheless,

A vendarle,

there's no real sense of separation from me in my heart,

v svojem srcu ne čutim prave ločitve

in terms of the love that I feel

v smislu ljubezni, ki jo čutim

for these people.

do teh ljudi.

I feel, still, a very strong connection of love

Še vedno čutim zelo močno povezanost v ljubezni

for all of these people

s temi ljudmi

and for the land.

in s to deželo.

TD: And I still do

TD: In še vedno

get to keep in touch with my mother and father,

sem v stiku s svojo mamo in očetom,

albeit infrequently.

pa čeprav ne zelo pogosto.

I talk to my mother

Zelo redko se pogovarjam z mamo

once in a blue moon on the telephone.

po telefonu.

And my experience is that,

In ko se pogovarjam z njo

when I'm talking to her,

se mi zdi, da naju

with every second that passes

vsako sekundo

during our conversation,

najinega pogovora,

the feeling of love that binds us

ljubezen, ki naju veže

is bringing us closer and closer together.

vse bolj povezuje.

TD: So those were just a few remarks

TD: To je bilo le nekaj malega

about my personal background.

o mojem ozadju.

And in terms of other things that I wanted to share with you,

In kar se tiče drugih stvari, ki sem jih želel deliti z vami

in terms of ideas,

v smislu idej,

I think it's wonderful to have a situation like this,

menim, da je čudovito imeti takšne priložnosti,

where so many people from different backgrounds and places

ko se zbere toliko ljudi,

can come together,

z različnih okolij in dežel,

exchange their ideas

ki izmenjujejo zamisli,

and form relationships of friendship with each other.

in med seboj ustvarjajo prijateljske odnose .

And I think that's symbolic

In mislim, da je to simbol tega,

of what we're seeing in the world in general,

kar lahko vidimo v svetu na splošno,

that the world is becoming smaller and smaller,

da svet postaja vse manjši,

and that all of the peoples in the world

in da imajo vsi ljudje na svetu

are enjoying more opportunities for connection.

več priložnosti za povezovanje.

That's wonderful,

To je res čudovito,

but we should also remember

a ne smemo pozabiti,

that we should have a similar process happening on the inside.

da se mora podoben proces dogajati tudi navznoter.

Along with outward development

Skupaj z zunanjim razvojem,

and increase of opportunity,

in vse več priložnostmi,

there should be inward development

bi moral obstajati tudi notranji razvoj

and deepening of our heart connections

in poglabljanje povezav med našimi srci

as well as our outward connections.

tako kot zunanjih povezav.

So we spoke and we heard some

Ta teden smo govorili in slišali nekaj

about design this week.

o oblikovanju.

I think that it's important for us to remember

Mislim, da si je pomembno zapomniti

that we need

da se moramo

to keep pushing forward

vztrajno truditi

on the endeavor

pri

of the design of the heart.

oblikovanju našega srca.

We heard a lot about technology this week,

Ta teden smo slišali veliko o tehnologiji

and it's important for us to remember

in pomembno je, da si zapomnimo

to invest a lot of our energy

da moramo veliko energije vložiti

in improving the technology of the heart.

v izboljšanje tehnologije srca.

TD: So, even though I'm somewhat happy

TD: Torej, čeprav sem po svoje vesel

about the wonderful developments that are happening in the world,

čudovitega razvoja ki se dogaja po svetu,

still, I feel a sense of impediment,

še vedno čutim nekakšno oviro,

when it comes

ko pride do

to the ability that we have

naše sposobnosti,

to connect with each other on a heart-to-heart, or a mind-to-mind, level.

da se povezujemo med seboj na ravni srca ali na ravni uma.

I feel that there are some things

Mislim, da

that are getting in the way.

nam nekatere stvari hodijo v napoto.

TC: My relationship

TC: Moj odnos

to this concept of heart-to-heart connection, or mind-to-mind connection,

do koncepta povezave na ravni srca ali na ravni uma,

is an interesting one,

je zanimiv,

because, as a spiritual leader, I'm always attempting

saj, kot duhovni vodja, vedno skušam

to open my heart to others

odpreti svoje srce drugim

and offer myself up

in se predati

for heart-to-heart and mind-to-mind connections

povezavi na ravni srca in na ravni uma

in a genuine way with other people,

na iskren način, z ostalimi ljudmi,

but at the same time,

a istočasno,

I've always been advised

so mi vedno svetovali,

that I need to emphasize intelligence

da moram poudarjati inteligenco,

over the heart-to-heart connections,

prej kot povezavo med srci,

because, being someone in a position like mine,

saj se nekomu v mojem položaju

if I don't rely primarily on intelligence,

če se prvotno ne zanese na inteligenco,

then something dangerous may happen to me.

lahko zgodijo nevarne stvari.

So it's an interesting paradox at play there.

In tu imamo zanimiv paradoks.

But I had a really striking experience once,

A nekoč sem imel izredno osupljivo izkušnjo,

when a group from Afghanistan

ko je k meni na obisk prišla skupina

came to visit me,

iz Afganistana

and we had a really interesting conversation.

in smo imeli zelo zanimivo debato.

TD: So we ended up talking about the Bamiyan Buddhas,

TD: In tako je pogovor nanesel na kipe Bud iz Bamiyana

which, as you know,

ki so bili, kot veste

were destroyed some years ago in Afghanistan.

pred nekaj leti uničeni v Afganistanu.

But the basis of our conversation

A osnova našega pogovora

was the different approach to spirituality

je bil drugačen pristop k duhovnosti

on the part of the Muslim

v Islamu

and Buddhist traditions.

za razliko od budističnih izročil.

Of course, in Muslim,

Seveda v Islamu,

because of the teachings around the concept of idolatry,

zaradi naukov povezanih s konceptom malikovanja

you don't find as many

ne najdemo toliko

physical representations of divinity

fizičnih prikazov božanskega,

or of spiritual liberation

ali duhovne osvoboditve

as you do in the Buddhist tradition,

kot jih lahko najdemo v budističnem izročilu,

where, of course, there are many statues of the Buddha

kjer je, seveda, veliko kipov Bude

that are highly revered.

ki so izredno globoko spoštovani.

So, we were talking about the differences

Govorili smo torej o razlikah

between the traditions

med izročili

and what many people perceived

in o tem, kar so mnogi razumeli kot tragedijo -

as the tragedy of the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas,

uničenje Budovih kipov v Bamiyanu.

but I offered the suggestion

A jaz sem predlagal,

that perhaps we could look at this in a positive way.

da bi na to morda lahko pogledali na pozitiven način.

What we saw in the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas

Kar smo videli v primeru uničenja Bud iz Bamiyana

was the depletion of matter,

je izčrpavanje materije.

some solid substance

Neka trdna substanca

falling down and disintegrating.

se sesuje in razpade.

Maybe we could look at that to be more similar

Morda pa bi na to lahko gledali bolj podobno,

to the falling of the Berlin Wall,

kot na padec Berlinskega zidu,

where a divide

kjer se je ločnica,

that had kept two types of people apart

ki je ločevala dve vrsti ljudi

had collapsed and opened up a door

porušila in odprla vrata

for further communication.

nadaljnjemu povezovanju.

So I think that, in this way,

Zato mislim, da je na takšen način

it's always possible for us

vedno mogoče

to derive something positive

izpeljati nekaj pozitivnega,

that can help us understand one another better.

kar nam lahko pomaga bolje razumeti drug drugega.

TD: So, with regard to the development

TD: Torej, glede razvoja

that we've been talking about

o katerem smo govorili

here at this conference,

na tej konferenci,

I really feel

resnično čutim,

that the development that we make

da nam razvoj, ki ga ustvarjamo

shouldn't create a further burden

ne sme povzročati

for us as human beings,

dodatnega bremena,

but should be used

temveč ga moramo uporabiti za to

to improve

da izboljšamo

our fundamental lifestyle

naše temeljni življenjski slog,

of how we live in the world.

način, kako živimo v tem svetu.

TD: Of course, I rejoice

TD: Seveda, se veselim

in the development and the growth and the rise

ko opazujem razvoj, rast in vzpon

of the noble land of India, the great country of India,

plemenite Indije, imenitne Indijske države,

but at the same time, I think,

a istočasno mislim,

as some of us have acknowledged,

kot smo nekateri že opazili,

we need to be aware

da moramo biti pozorni na dejstvo,

that some aspects of this rise

da se nekateri vidiki te rasti

are coming at the cost

odvijajo na račun

of the very ground

zemlje,

on which we stand.

na kateri stojimo.

So, as we are climbing the tree,

Ko torej plezamo na drevo,

some of the things that we're doing

nekatere stvari, ki jih počnemo

in order to climb the tree

da bi se vzpeli nanj,

are actually undermining

v resnici uničujejo

the tree's very root.

korenine tega drevesa.

And so,

In zato,

what I think it comes down to

mislim, da vse skupaj ne pripelje le do

is a question of, not only having information of what's going on,

vprašanja tega ali imamo informacije o tem kar se dogaja,

but paying attention to that

temveč, do tega, da moramo biti pozorni na to

and letting that shift our motivation

in si dovoliti, da spremenimo svojo motivacijo,

to become more sincere

postanemo bolj odkritosrčni

and genuinely positive.

in pristno pozitivni.

We have hear, this week,

Ta teden smo, na primer, poslušali

about the horrible sufferings, for example,

o grozljivem trpljenju

that so many women of the world

ki ga mnoge ženske na svetu

are enduring day-to-day.

prenašajo iz dneva v dan.

We have that information,

Imamo to informacijo,

but what often happens to us

a kar se nam pogosto zgodi je,

is that we don't really choose to pay attention to it.

da se ne odločimo zares, da bi ji posvetili pozornost.

We don't really choose to allow that

Ne odločimo se, da bi si dovolili

to cause there to be a shift in our hearts.

spremembo v naših srcih.

So I think the way forward for the world --

Zato mislim, da je pot, ki bo ta svet peljala naprej --

one that will bring the path of outer development

tista, ki bo pripeljala pot zunanjega razvoja

in harmony

v harmonijo

with the real root of happiness --

z resničnimi koreninami sreče --

is that we allow

da dovolimo

the information that we have

informacijam, ki jih imamo,

to really make a change in our heart.

da resnično spremenijo naše srce.

TD: So I think that sincere motivation

TD: Zato mislim, da je iskrena motivacija

is very important for our future well-being,

izredno pomembna za našo prihodnjo dobrobit

or deep sense of well-being as humans,

ali globok občutek blagostanja,

and I think that means sinking in

in mislim da to pomeni, poglobitev v

to whatever it is you're doing now.

karkoli že počnete zdaj.

Whatever work you're trying to do now to benefit the world,

Kakršnokoli delo skušate opraviti zdaj, da bi koristili svetu,

sink into that,

poglobite se vanj,

get a full taste of that.

in ga poskušajte občutiti v popolnosti.

TD: So, since we've been here this week,

TD: Odkar smo tu ta teden,

we've taken millions of breaths, collectively,

smo skupaj vdihnili že neštetokrat ,

and perhaps we haven't witnessed

in morda nismo zaznali

any course changes

nikakršne pomembne spremembe

happening in our lives,

v našem življenju,

but we often miss the very subtle changes.

a pogosto spregledamo zelo subtilne spremembe.

And I think

In mislim

that sometimes we develop

da kdaj razvijamo

grand concepts

velikanske koncepte

of what happiness

o tem kaj sreča

might look like for us,

pomeni za nas,

but that, if we pay attention,

a če smo dovolj pozorni

we can see that there are little symbols of happiness

lahko vidimo, da so v vsakem našem vdihu

in every breath that we take.

majhni simboli sreče.

TD: So, every one of you who has come here

TD: In vsak od vas, ki je prišel sem,

is so talented,

je izredno nadarjen,

and you have so much to offer to the world,

in toliko lahko ponudite svetu,

I think it would be a good note to conclude on then

zato mislim, da bi bilo dobro končati s tem,

to just take a moment

da si preprosto vzamemo trenutek

to appreciate how fortunate we are

da se zavemo, kako srečni smo lahko,

to have come together in this way and exchanged ideas

da smo prišli skupaj in si izmenjali misli,

and really form a strong aspiration

in da ustvarimo resnično močno aspiracijo

and energy within ourselves

ter odločnost v sebi,

that we will take the good

da bomo vzeli vse dobro,

that has come from this conference,

kar smo dobili na tej konferenci,

the momentum, the positivity,

zagon in pozitivnost,

and we will spread that and plant it

in da jih bomo razširili in posejali

in all of the corners of the world.

na vseh kotičkih tega sveta.

His Holiness the Karmapa: Tomorrow is my Talk.

Njegova Svetost Karmapa: Jutri imam govor.

TD: Lakshmi has worked incredibly hard,

TD: Lakshmi je neutrudno delala,

even in inviting me,

celo na tem, da je povabila mene,

let alone everything else that she has done

če niti ne omenjamo vsega drugega,

to make this happen,

da je omogočila ta dogodek,

and I was somewhat resistant at times,

in včasih sem se malce upiral,

and I was also very nervous throughout this week.

in cel teden sem bil zelo nervozen.

I was feeling under the weather and dizzy and so forth,

Slabo sem se počutil, malce zbegano in podobno,

and people would ask me, why.

in ljudje so me spraševali zakaj.

I would tell them, "It's because I have to talk tomorrow."

In povedal sem jim: "Zato, ker moram jutri govoriti."

And so Lakshmi had to put up with me through all of that,

In Lakshmi je morala z menoj čez vse to,

but I very much appreciate

a sem ji izredno hvaležen

the opportunity she's given me

za priložnost, ki mi jo je dala,

to be here.

da sem lahko tukaj.

And to you, everyone, thank you very much.

In vsakemu od vas, iskrena hvala.

(Applause)

(aplavz)

HH: Thank you very much.

NS: Iskrena hvala.

(Applause)

(aplavz)