His Holiness the Karmapa: The technology of the heart

翻译人员: Yi Zong 校对人员: Sunshine Wang

Tyler Dewar: The way I feel right now

我现在的感受是

is that all of the other speakers

所有其他的演讲者

have said exactly what I wanted to say.

已经说了我想说的。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

And it seems that the only thing left for me to say

看来我唯一要做的事就是

is to thank you all for your kindness.

感谢所有人的善意。

TD: But maybe in the spirit

为了感谢

of appreciating the kindness of you all,

各位的仁慈及善意。

I could share with you

我想和你们分享

a little story about myself.

关于我的一个小故事。

TD: From the time I was very young, onward,

从很小的时候开始，

I was given

我就被赋予了

a lot of different responsibilities,

很多不同的责任，

and it always seemed to me, when I was young,

年轻时，我总这样认为，

that everything was laid out before me.

所有的事别人都已经替我决定好了。

All of the plans for me were already made.

我所有的计划都有人安排好了。

I was given the clothes that I needed to wear

我需要穿的衣服都有人准备好了，

and told where I needed to be,

我的行程也有人排定了，

given these very precious

出席这些场合所要穿的

and holy looking robes to wear,

珍贵庄严的法袍也有人准备好了，

with the understanding

我很明白

that it was something sacred or important.

这是十分神圣和重要的事。

TD: But before that kind of formal lifestyle happened for me,

在这种正式生活方式之前，

I was living in eastern Tibet with my family.

我和家人住在西藏东部。

And when I was seven years old,

当时我只有7岁，

all of a sudden,

突然，

a search party arrived at my home.

一个搜寻队伍来到我家。

They were looking the next Karmapa,

他们在找下一世的大宝法王噶玛巴，

and I noticed they were talking to my mom and dad,

我注意到他们在和我的父母谈话，

and the news came to me that they were telling me

之后他们告诉我这个消息，

that I was the Karmapa.

说我就是大宝法王卡玛巴。

And these days, people ask me a lot,

现在，人们常常问到，

how did that feel.

问我当时感觉如何。

How did that feel when they came and whisked you away,

当他们突然把你带离家人，

and your lifestyle completely changed?

完全改变了你的生活，你觉得怎么样？

And what I mostly say is that,

我多半这样回答：

at that time,

那时，

it was a pretty interesting idea to me.

我觉得挺有趣的。

I thought that things would be pretty fun

我以为会很有趣，

and there would be more things to play with.

会有很多可以玩的东西。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

TD: But it didn't turn out to be so fun and entertaining,

但是事情却没有像我预期的，

as I thought it would have been.

那么有趣好玩。

I was placed

我被安置在

in a pretty strictly controlled environment.

一个高度控制的环境下。

And immediately,

而且立刻，

a lot of different responsibilities,

很多不同的责任，

in terms of my education and so forth, were heaped upon me.

像我该受的教育等等，排山倒海而来。

I was separated, largely, from my family,

我和我的家人分开了，

including my mother and father.

包括我的父母。

I didn't have have many personal friends

我没有很多朋友

to spend time with,

没人陪伴我，

but I was expected to perform

人们期望我执行

these prescribed duties.

这些传承下来的任务。

So it turned out that my fantasy

所以，我满心幻想的

about an entertaining life of being the Karmapa

作为大宝法王噶玛巴有趣的生活，

wasn't going to come true.

是不会成真的了。

It more felt to be the case to me

这感觉更像是

that I was being treated like a statue,

我被当成一尊雕像一样，

and I was to sit in one place

我必须坐在那里

like a statue would.

就像雕像那样坐在那儿。

TD: Nevertheless, I felt that,

然而，我感觉，

even though I've been separated from my loved ones --

即使我同我爱的人们分开了--

and, of course, now I'm even further away.

当然，现在离他们更远了，

When I was 14, I escaped from Tibet

当我14岁的时候， 我逃离了西藏

and became even further removed

同时又更加远离了

from my mother and father,

我的父母，

my relatives, my friends

我的亲戚，我的朋友

and my homeland.

和我的家乡。

But nevertheless,

但是尽管如此，

there's no real sense of separation from me in my heart,

我的心里对这些人所感受到的爱，

in terms of the love that I feel

并没有因为距离

for these people.

而有所减少。

I feel, still, a very strong connection of love

我觉得和这些人

for all of these people

以及我的家乡，我仍然感到

and for the land.

强烈的爱的联系。

TD: And I still do

我仍然和

get to keep in touch with my mother and father,

我的父母保持联系，

albeit infrequently.

虽然不算频繁。

I talk to my mother

我同我母亲

once in a blue moon on the telephone.

久久才通一次电话聊天。

And my experience is that,

我的经验告诉我，

when I'm talking to her,

当我和她说话的时候，

with every second that passes

时间一分一秒过去

during our conversation,

但是在我们对话的同时，

the feeling of love that binds us

我们之间的爱

is bringing us closer and closer together.

却把我们连结的更紧密。

TD: So those were just a few remarks

这就是一些关于我的

about my personal background.

个人背景的简述。

And in terms of other things that I wanted to share with you,

至于其他我想和你们分享的事，

in terms of ideas,

一些看法，

I think it's wonderful to have a situation like this,

我想这是很好的时机，

where so many people from different backgrounds and places

这里有很多来自不同地方和不同背景的人

can come together,

齐聚一堂，

exchange their ideas

交流想法

and form relationships of friendship with each other.

同时互相建立友谊。

And I think that's symbolic

我认为这象征着

of what we're seeing in the world in general,

我们在这世界里所看到的，

that the world is becoming smaller and smaller,

世界变得越来越小，

and that all of the peoples in the world

而这个世界的所有人

are enjoying more opportunities for connection.

正在享受更多的交流机会。

That's wonderful,

这真是十分美好的事，

but we should also remember

但是我们也要记住

that we should have a similar process happening on the inside.

我们内心里应该有相同过程。

Along with outward development

随着外在的发展

and increase of opportunity,

和增加的机会，

there should be inward development

那也应该有内在的发展

and deepening of our heart connections

加深我们内心的交流

as well as our outward connections.

就如同外在的交流一样。

So we spoke and we heard some

这一周我们谈到和听到

about design this week.

一些有关设计的事。

I think that it's important for us to remember

我认为这很重要，我们应该要记得

that we need

我们需要

to keep pushing forward

继续向前推进

on the endeavor

持续努力的

of the design of the heart.

追求心灵的设计。

We heard a lot about technology this week,

我们这周也听到了很多有关科技的演说，

and it's important for us to remember

重要的是我们要记住

to invest a lot of our energy

把更多的能量投入到

in improving the technology of the heart.

提升心灵的技巧发展上。

TD: So, even though I'm somewhat happy

对于世界上发生的伟大变革，

about the wonderful developments that are happening in the world,

某个程度而言我还算高兴，

still, I feel a sense of impediment,

但是，我感到有一些不足，

when it comes

就是谈到

to the ability that we have

我们所拥有的

to connect with each other on a heart-to-heart, or a mind-to-mind, level.

心和心，精神层面上的沟通的能力。

I feel that there are some things

我感到有些东西

that are getting in the way.

变成了障碍。

TC: My relationship

我各人对这个

to this concept of heart-to-heart connection, or mind-to-mind connection,

心对心，精神上沟通的概念，

is an interesting one,

有一些有趣的体验，

because, as a spiritual leader, I'm always attempting

因为，作为一个精神领袖，我常试着

to open my heart to others

对人敞开心门

and offer myself up

奉献自我

for heart-to-heart and mind-to-mind connections

真心诚意对待他人

in a genuine way with other people,

以建立心灵的连系，

but at the same time,

但是同时，

I've always been advised

经常有人建议我

that I need to emphasize intelligence

说我需要强调理智

over the heart-to-heart connections,

胜过于心灵的关联，

because, being someone in a position like mine,

因为，身居像我这样位置的人，

if I don't rely primarily on intelligence,

如果不首要依靠理智，

then something dangerous may happen to me.

危险的事便有可能会发生。

So it's an interesting paradox at play there.

所以这是一件左右两难的事·。

But I had a really striking experience once,

但是我有一次非常震撼的经验，

when a group from Afghanistan

一队阿富汗人

came to visit me,

来拜访我，

and we had a really interesting conversation.

我们有一场非常有趣的对谈。

TD: So we ended up talking about the Bamiyan Buddhas,

我们谈论到巴米扬大佛，

which, as you know,

你们知道，

were destroyed some years ago in Afghanistan.

很多年前阿富汗巴米扬大佛被破坏了。

But the basis of our conversation

但是我们对话的基础是

was the different approach to spirituality

回教和佛教传统中

on the part of the Muslim

对灵性

and Buddhist traditions.

不同的看法。

Of course, in Muslim,

当然，在回教，

because of the teachings around the concept of idolatry,

禁止偶像崇拜的概念，

you don't find as many

所以回教中找不到很多

physical representations of divinity

在佛教传统中

or of spiritual liberation

可以找到的佛像

as you do in the Buddhist tradition,

或心灵解脱的象征物，

where, of course, there are many statues of the Buddha

当然，在佛教传统里，佛像很多

that are highly revered.

而且是倍受尊重的。

So, we were talking about the differences

所以，我们讨论这两个传统之间的

between the traditions

不同之处

and what many people perceived

在许多人看来，

as the tragedy of the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas,

巴米扬大佛被破坏是一件悲剧，

but I offered the suggestion

但是我提出一个建议

that perhaps we could look at this in a positive way.

也许可以从正面的角度看待这件事。

What we saw in the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas

我们看到的巴米扬大佛的破坏

was the depletion of matter,

是物质的破坏，

some solid substance

坚固物质的

falling down and disintegrating.

崩裂和瓦解。

Maybe we could look at that to be more similar

或许可以把它看成想类似的事件：

to the falling of the Berlin Wall,

柏林围墙的瓦解，

where a divide

一度隔离两个

that had kept two types of people apart

社会的人们的高墙倒塌了，

had collapsed and opened up a door

同时开通了一扇门

for further communication.

让进一步的沟通开始。

So I think that, in this way,

所以我认为，从这个角度，

it's always possible for us

我们总是可以

to derive something positive

学到正面的事

that can help us understand one another better.

可以帮助我们更理解对方。

TD: So, with regard to the development

所以，对于我们在

that we've been talking about

这个研讨会里讨论了

here at this conference,

很多的进步发展，

I really feel

我真的觉得

that the development that we make

我们创造的进步

shouldn't create a further burden

不应该成为人类未来

for us as human beings,

更沉重的负担，

but should be used

而该用于

to improve

改进

our fundamental lifestyle

我们在这个世界上

of how we live in the world.

生活的基本形态。

TD: Of course, I rejoice

当然，印度在这块

in the development and the growth and the rise

神圣土地上发展、成长、崛起

of the noble land of India, the great country of India,

我为印度这个伟大国家感到很高兴，

but at the same time, I think,

但同时，我想，

as some of us have acknowledged,

正如一些人所认知到的，

we need to be aware

我们需要了解，

that some aspects of this rise

这个成长中所付出的代价

are coming at the cost

是需要牺牲

of the very ground

我们赖以安生立命

on which we stand.

的这块土地。

So, as we are climbing the tree,

正如我们在爬树，

some of the things that we're doing

要爬到树上的话

in order to climb the tree

我们正在做的事

are actually undermining

事实上会对树根

the tree's very root.

造成伤害。

And so,

所以，我想

what I think it comes down to

追根究底

is a question of, not only having information of what's going on,

不只是要拥有最新的信息，

but paying attention to that

还要真的去了解它，

and letting that shift our motivation

同时转变我们的内在动机

to become more sincere

让它变得更诚挚，

and genuinely positive.

变得更正向。

We have hear, this week,

这一周里我们听到

about the horrible sufferings, for example,

关于可怕的痛苦，例如，

that so many women of the world

很多世界上的女性

are enduring day-to-day.

正每天经历的折磨。

We have that information,

我们知道了这个信息，

but what often happens to us

但是我们常常

is that we don't really choose to pay attention to it.

选择不去关注它。

We don't really choose to allow that

我们之所以选择不去注意，

to cause there to be a shift in our hearts.

是因为不想心情受影响。

So I think the way forward for the world --

所以我认为世界进步的方式--

one that will bring the path of outer development

不仅是要外在发展和

in harmony

真实快乐的根源

with the real root of happiness --

达到协调--

is that we allow

还要让

the information that we have

我们所拥有的信息

to really make a change in our heart.

真正改变我们的内心。

TD: So I think that sincere motivation

我认为真挚的动机

is very important for our future well-being,

对我们的美好未来，

or deep sense of well-being as humans,

或人类深远的福址很重要，

and I think that means sinking in

真挚的动机是全心投入

to whatever it is you're doing now.

你正在做的事情之中。

Whatever work you're trying to do now to benefit the world,

不论你现在正在做什么利益世界的事，

sink into that,

全心沉浸其中，

get a full taste of that.

好好品味它。

TD: So, since we've been here this week,

我们这周已经在这儿，

we've taken millions of breaths, collectively,

我们已经一起呼吸了百万次，

and perhaps we haven't witnessed

或许我们还没有看到

any course changes

任何改变

happening in our lives,

发生在我们的生命里，

but we often miss the very subtle changes.

但是我们经常忽略最细微的变化。

And I think

而且我想

that sometimes we develop

有时我们描绘出

grand concepts

我们认为的

of what happiness

关于幸福的

might look like for us,

美好愿景，

but that, if we pay attention,

但是，如果注意体会，

we can see that there are little symbols of happiness

我们会发现，在每一个呼吸之间，

in every breath that we take.

也都有小小的幸福。

TD: So, every one of you who has come here

每一个来到这里的人

is so talented,

都很有才华，

and you have so much to offer to the world,

你们可以贡献给这个世界很多很多，

I think it would be a good note to conclude on then

在结束演说以前，

to just take a moment

我想花一些时间来

to appreciate how fortunate we are

感激这个因缘，

to have come together in this way and exchanged ideas

很幸运我们能齐聚一堂交换意见，

and really form a strong aspiration

同时在心里创造

and energy within ourselves

强大的灵感和能量，

that we will take the good

从而将研讨会中

that has come from this conference,

产生的好的结果、

the momentum, the positivity,

动力、正面想法，

and we will spread that and plant it

散播出去；在世界的所有角落，

in all of the corners of the world.

种下善因。

His Holiness the Karmapa: Tomorrow is my Talk.

大宝法王噶玛巴：我的演讲就在明天。

TD: Lakshmi has worked incredibly hard,

拉克西米非常努力的工作，

even in inviting me,

邀请我来，

let alone everything else that she has done

她完成了很多的准备，

to make this happen,

让这次演讲成为现实，

and I was somewhat resistant at times,

有时候我心里有些抗拒，

and I was also very nervous throughout this week.

而且这一周我也一直很紧张。

I was feeling under the weather and dizzy and so forth,

我感到身体不适，头晕等等，

and people would ask me, why.

人们问我怎么了。

I would tell them, "It's because I have to talk tomorrow."

我告诉他们呢，"这是因为我明天要演讲。”

And so Lakshmi had to put up with me through all of that,

拉克西米一直很包容容忍我，

but I very much appreciate

我很感激，

the opportunity she's given me

她给我这个机会

to be here.

可以来到这里。

And to you, everyone, thank you very much.

非常感谢各位，谢谢。

(Applause)

（掌声）

HH: Thank you very much.

大宝法王噶玛巴：非常感谢大家。

(Applause)

（掌声）