His Holiness the Karmapa: The technology of the heart

Prevoditelj: Mislav Ante Omazić - EFZG Recezent: Romana Perković

Tyler Dewar: The way I feel right now

Tyler Dewar: Kako se sada osjećam

is that all of the other speakers

jest da su svi drugi govornici

have said exactly what I wanted to say.

rekli točno ono što sam ja htio reći.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And it seems that the only thing left for me to say

I čini mi se kako je jedina stvar koja mi je ostala za reći

is to thank you all for your kindness.

jest zahvaliti se svima na ljubaznosti.

TD: But maybe in the spirit

TD: Ali možda u duhu

of appreciating the kindness of you all,

poštivanja vaše ljubaznosti,

I could share with you

mogao bih podijeliti s vama

a little story about myself.

malu priču o sebi.

TD: From the time I was very young, onward,

TD: Od vremena kada sam bio jako mlad, naovamo,

I was given

dano mi je

a lot of different responsibilities,

puno različitih odgovornosti,

and it always seemed to me, when I was young,

i uvijek mi se činilo, kada sam bio mlad,

that everything was laid out before me.

kako mi je sve servirano.

All of the plans for me were already made.

Svi planovi za mene su već napravljeni.

I was given the clothes that I needed to wear

Dana mi je odjeća koju sam morao nositi,

and told where I needed to be,

i rečeno mi je gdje bih trebao biti,

given these very precious

s obzirom na taj jako dragocjen

and holy looking robes to wear,

i svet ogrtač koji sam nosio;

with the understanding

s razumijevanjem

that it was something sacred or important.

kako je to nešto sveto i važno.

TD: But before that kind of formal lifestyle happened for me,

TD: Ali prije nego što mi se dogodio taj formalni životni stil,

I was living in eastern Tibet with my family.

živio sam u istočnom Tibetu sa svojom obitelji.

And when I was seven years old,

I kada sam imao sedam godina,

all of a sudden,

iznenada,

a search party arrived at my home.

potraga je stigla u moj dom.

They were looking the next Karmapa,

Oni su tražili slijedećeg Karmapa,

and I noticed they were talking to my mom and dad,

i primjetio sam kako razgovaraju s mojim mamom i tatom,

and the news came to me that they were telling me

i vijesti su došle do mene u kojima su mi rekli

that I was the Karmapa.

kako sam ja Karmapa.

And these days, people ask me a lot,

I tih dana, ljudi su me stalno pitali,

how did that feel.

kakav je bio osjećaj.

How did that feel when they came and whisked you away,

Kakav je bio osjećaj kada su došli i odveli vas,

and your lifestyle completely changed?

a vaš životni stil se skroz promijenio?

And what I mostly say is that,

I ono što uglavnom kažem je,

at that time,

u to vrijeme,

it was a pretty interesting idea to me.

bila je to prilično interesantna ideja za mene.

I thought that things would be pretty fun

Mislio sam kako će stvari biti prilično vesele

and there would be more things to play with.

i kako će biti više stvari za igru.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

TD: But it didn't turn out to be so fun and entertaining,

TD: Ali nije ispalo tako veselo i zabavno

as I thought it would have been.

kao što sam mislio da će biti.

I was placed

Bio sam smješten

in a pretty strictly controlled environment.

u prilično strogo kontroliranom okruženju.

And immediately,

I bez odlaganja,

a lot of different responsibilities,

puno različitih odgovornosti,

in terms of my education and so forth, were heaped upon me.

u smislu moje edukacije i tako dalje, bilo mi je natovareno.

I was separated, largely, from my family,

Bio sam odvojen, uglavnom, od svoje obitelji,

including my mother and father.

uključujući moju majku i oca.

I didn't have have many personal friends

Nisam imao puno osobnih prijatelja

to spend time with,

s kojima bih provodio vrijeme,

but I was expected to perform

ali se od mene očekivalo da izvodim

these prescribed duties.

te propisane dužnosti.

So it turned out that my fantasy

Tako je ispalo da se moja maštarija

about an entertaining life of being the Karmapa

o zabavnom životu Karmapa

wasn't going to come true.

neće ostvariti.

It more felt to be the case to me

Više sam se osjećao

that I was being treated like a statue,

kako me tretiraju kao statuu,

and I was to sit in one place

i od mene se očekivalo da sjedim na jednom mjestu

like a statue would.

kao što bi statua stajala.

TD: Nevertheless, I felt that,

TD: Unatoč svemu, osjećao sam,

even though I've been separated from my loved ones --

iako sam bio odvojen od svojih voljenih --

and, of course, now I'm even further away.

i, naravno, sada sam još udaljeniji.

When I was 14, I escaped from Tibet

Kada mi je bilo 14, pobjegao sam iz Tibeta

and became even further removed

i postao sam još udaljeniji

from my mother and father,

od svojih majke i oca,

my relatives, my friends

svojih rođaka, svojih prijatelja

and my homeland.

i svoje domovine.

But nevertheless,

Ali unatoč svemu,

there's no real sense of separation from me in my heart,

ne postoji stvarni osjećaj odvojenosti od samoga sebe u mom srcu,

in terms of the love that I feel

u smislu ljubavi koju osjećam

for these people.

za te ljude.

I feel, still, a very strong connection of love

Osjećam, još uvijek, snažnu vezu ljubavi

for all of these people

za te ljude

and for the land.

i za zemlju.

TD: And I still do

TD: I još uvijek

get to keep in touch with my mother and father,

sam u vezi sa svojim majkom i ocem,

albeit infrequently.

iako ne često.

I talk to my mother

Pričam sa svojom majkom

once in a blue moon on the telephone.

jednom za vrijeme plavog mjeseca preko telefona.

And my experience is that,

I moje iskustvo je

when I'm talking to her,

dok pričam s njom,

with every second that passes

sa svakom sekundom koja prođe

during our conversation,

tijekom našeg razgovora,

the feeling of love that binds us

osjećaj ljubavi koji nas veže

is bringing us closer and closer together.

nas sve više zbližava.

TD: So those were just a few remarks

TD: Dakle to je bilo nekoliko opažanja

about my personal background.

o mojoj osobnoj povijesti.

And in terms of other things that I wanted to share with you,

I u smislu drugih stvari koje želim s vama podijeliti,

in terms of ideas,

u smislu ideja,

I think it's wonderful to have a situation like this,

mislim kako je prekrasno imati situaciju poput ove,

where so many people from different backgrounds and places

gdje se toliko puno ljudi koji imaju različitu povijest i podrijetlo

can come together,

mogu naći zajedno,

exchange their ideas

izmjenjivati ideje

and form relationships of friendship with each other.

i graditi odnose prijateljstva jedni s drugima.

And I think that's symbolic

I mislim kako je to simbol

of what we're seeing in the world in general,

onoga što vidimo u svijetu općenito,

that the world is becoming smaller and smaller,

kako svijet postaje sve manji i manji,

and that all of the peoples in the world

i kako svi ljudi na svijetu

are enjoying more opportunities for connection.

uživaju više prilika za povezivanje.

That's wonderful,

To je prekrasno,

but we should also remember

ali trebali bismo također zapamtiti

that we should have a similar process happening on the inside.

kako bismo trebali imati sličan proces koji će se događati iznutra.

Along with outward development

Zajedno s vanjskim razvojem

and increase of opportunity,

i povećanjem prilika,

there should be inward development

trebala bi postojati i unutrašnji razvoj

and deepening of our heart connections

i produbljavanje naših srčanih veza

as well as our outward connections.

jednako kao i naših vanjskih veza.

So we spoke and we heard some

Tako smo razgovarali i čuli neke stvari

about design this week.

o dizajnu ovaj tjedan.

I think that it's important for us to remember

Mislim kako je za nas važno zapamtiti

that we need

kako trebamo

to keep pushing forward

gurati naprijed

on the endeavor

u nastojanju

of the design of the heart.

dizajniranja srca.

We heard a lot about technology this week,

Čuli smo jako puno o tehnologiji ovaj tjedan,

and it's important for us to remember

i važno nam je zapamtiti

to invest a lot of our energy

kako moramo investirati puno energije

in improving the technology of the heart.

u poboljšanje tehnologije našeg srca.

TD: So, even though I'm somewhat happy

TD: Čak iako sam donekle sretan

about the wonderful developments that are happening in the world,

zbog prekrasnih dostignuća koja se događaju u svijetu,

still, I feel a sense of impediment,

još uvijek, osjećam prepreke,

when it comes

kada dođe

to the ability that we have

do sposobnosti koju imamo

to connect with each other on a heart-to-heart, or a mind-to-mind, level.

da se povežemo jedni s drugima na razini srca-sa-srcem, ili uma-s-umom.

I feel that there are some things

Osjećam kako postoje neke stvari

that are getting in the way.

koje su nam na putu.

TC: My relationship

TC: Moj odnos

to this concept of heart-to-heart connection, or mind-to-mind connection,

s ovim konceptom veza srca-sa-srcom ili uma-s-umom,

is an interesting one,

je zanimljiv,

because, as a spiritual leader, I'm always attempting

jer, kao spiritualni vođa, uvijek pokušavam

to open my heart to others

otvoriti srce drugima

and offer myself up

i ponuditi se

for heart-to-heart and mind-to-mind connections

za vezu srca-sa srcem i uma-s-umom

in a genuine way with other people,

na autentičan način drugim ljudima,

but at the same time,

ali u isto vrijeme,

I've always been advised

uvijek su mi savjetovali

that I need to emphasize intelligence

kako moram naglašavati inteligenciju

over the heart-to-heart connections,

ispred veze srca-sa-srcem,

because, being someone in a position like mine,

jer, biti u poziciji poput moje,

if I don't rely primarily on intelligence,

ako se ne pouzdam primarno u inteligenciju,

then something dangerous may happen to me.

onda mi se nešto opasno može dogoditi.

So it's an interesting paradox at play there.

Ovdje je interesantan paradoks u igri.

But I had a really striking experience once,

Ali imao sam neobično iskustvo jednom,

when a group from Afghanistan

kada je grupa iz Afganistana

came to visit me,

došla da me posjeti,

and we had a really interesting conversation.

i imali smo stvarno interesantan razgovor.

TD: So we ended up talking about the Bamiyan Buddhas,

TD: Završili smo govoreći o Bamiyanskim Budama,

which, as you know,

koje su, kao što znate,

were destroyed some years ago in Afghanistan.

bile uništene prije nekoliko godina u Afganistanu.

But the basis of our conversation

Ali osnova našeg razgovora

was the different approach to spirituality

bio je drugačiji pristup spiritualnosti

on the part of the Muslim

od strane muslimanske

and Buddhist traditions.

i budističke tradicije.

Of course, in Muslim,

Naravno, u muslimanskoj tradiciji,

because of the teachings around the concept of idolatry,

zbog učenja oko koncepta obožavanja,

you don't find as many

ne možete pronaći toliko

physical representations of divinity

fizičkih reprezentacija božanstvenosti

or of spiritual liberation

ili spiritualnog oslobođenja

as you do in the Buddhist tradition,

kao što možete u budističkoj tradiciji,

where, of course, there are many statues of the Buddha

gdje, naravno, postoji jako puno statua Bude

that are highly revered.

koje su visoko štovane.

So, we were talking about the differences

Dakle, pričamo o razlikama

between the traditions

između tradicija

and what many people perceived

i onome što su mnogi ljudi zamijetili

as the tragedy of the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas,

kao tragediju uništavanja Bamiyanskih Buda,

but I offered the suggestion

ali ja sam ponudio sugestiju

that perhaps we could look at this in a positive way.

kao bismo možda na to mogli gledati na pozitivan način.

What we saw in the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas

Ono što smo vidjeli u uništavanju Bamiyanskih Buda

was the depletion of matter,

bila je deplijacija važnosti,

some solid substance

neka čvrsta tvar

falling down and disintegrating.

se srušila i dezintegrirala.

Maybe we could look at that to be more similar

Možda bi mogli gledati na to kao nešto slično

to the falling of the Berlin Wall,

padu Berlinskog zida

where a divide

gdje je podijela

that had kept two types of people apart

koja je držala dva tipa ljudi odvojenima

had collapsed and opened up a door

pala i otvorila vrata

for further communication.

za buduću komunikaciju.

So I think that, in this way,

Tako mislim kako je, na ovaj način,

it's always possible for us

za nas uvijek moguće

to derive something positive

izvući nešto pozitivno

that can help us understand one another better.

što će nam pomoći da drugoga razumijemo bolje.

TD: So, with regard to the development

TD: Tako, s obzirom na razvoj

that we've been talking about

o kojem smo pričali

here at this conference,

na ovoj konferenciji,

I really feel

stvarno osjećam

that the development that we make

kako razvoj koji stvaramo

shouldn't create a further burden

ne bi trebao stvarati daljnja opterećenja

for us as human beings,

za nas, ljudska bića,

but should be used

već bi se trebala koristiti

to improve

za poboljšanje

our fundamental lifestyle

našeg bazičnog životnog stila

of how we live in the world.

kako živimo u svijetu.

TD: Of course, I rejoice

TD: Naravno, radujem se

in the development and the growth and the rise

razvoju i rastu i napretku

of the noble land of India, the great country of India,

plemenite zemlje Indije, velike zemlje Indije,

but at the same time, I think,

ali u isto vrijeme, mislim,

as some of us have acknowledged,

kao što su neki od nas prepoznali,

we need to be aware

mislim kako moramo biti svjesni

that some aspects of this rise

kako neki aspekti tog napretka

are coming at the cost

dolaze na trošak

of the very ground

temelja

on which we stand.

na kojem stojimo.

So, as we are climbing the tree,

Tako, dok se penjemo po drvetu,

some of the things that we're doing

neke od stvari koje radimo

in order to climb the tree

kako bismo se penjali

are actually undermining

u stvari potkopavaju

the tree's very root.

korijen drveta.

And so,

I tako,

what I think it comes down to

ono što ja mislim se svodi

is a question of, not only having information of what's going on,

na pitanje o, ne samo posjedovanja informacije o tome što se događa,

but paying attention to that

već obraćanje pažnje na to

and letting that shift our motivation

i dozvole da nam to promijeni motivaciju

to become more sincere

kako bismo postali iskreniji

and genuinely positive.

i stvarno pozitivni.

We have hear, this week,

Čuli smo, ovaj tjedan

about the horrible sufferings, for example,

o strašnim patnjama, na primjer,

that so many women of the world

koje tolike žene svijeta

are enduring day-to-day.

trpe iz dana u dan.

We have that information,

Imamo informacije,

but what often happens to us

ali ono što nam se često događa

is that we don't really choose to pay attention to it.

jest da izaberemo kako nećemo obraćati pažnju.

We don't really choose to allow that

U stvari ne dozvoljavamo si da

to cause there to be a shift in our hearts.

taj razlog uzrokuje promjenu u našim srcima.

So I think the way forward for the world --

Tako mislim kako je put naprijed za svijet --

one that will bring the path of outer development

onaj koji će nam omogućiti put vanjskog razvoja

in harmony

u harmoniji

with the real root of happiness --

sa stvarnim korijenom sreće --

is that we allow

onaj koji dozvoljava

the information that we have

da informacije koje imamo

to really make a change in our heart.

stvore promjenu u našim srcima.

TD: So I think that sincere motivation

TD: Mislim kako je iskrena motivacija

is very important for our future well-being,

jako važna za naše buduće blagostanje,

or deep sense of well-being as humans,

ili duboko osjećanje blagostanja kao ljudi,

and I think that means sinking in

i mislim kako to znači utonuće u

to whatever it is you're doing now.

štogod da radite sada.

Whatever work you're trying to do now to benefit the world,

Kojigod posao sada pokušavate raditi da poboljšate svijet,

sink into that,

utonite u njega,

get a full taste of that.

okusite ga u potpunosti.

TD: So, since we've been here this week,

TD: S obzirom da smo ovdje ovaj tjedan,

we've taken millions of breaths, collectively,

zajedno napravili milijune izdisaja,

and perhaps we haven't witnessed

i možda smo svjedočili

any course changes

nekim promjenama

happening in our lives,

koje se događaju u našim životima,

but we often miss the very subtle changes.

ali često propuštamo zapaziti suptilnije promjene.

And I think

I mislim

that sometimes we develop

kako ponekad razvijamo

grand concepts

velike koncepte

of what happiness

ono kako sreća

might look like for us,

izgleda za nas,

but that, if we pay attention,

dok u stvari, kada bismo obratili pažnju,

we can see that there are little symbols of happiness

mogli bi vidjeti kako postoje mali simboli sreće

in every breath that we take.

u svakom našem udisaju.

TD: So, every one of you who has come here

TD: Tako je svatko od vas tko je došao ovdje

is so talented,

toliko talentiran,

and you have so much to offer to the world,

i imate toliko puno za ponuditi svijetu,

I think it would be a good note to conclude on then

mislim kako bi bilo dobro zaključiti

to just take a moment

da uzmete trenutak

to appreciate how fortunate we are

i zahvalite kako smo sretni

to have come together in this way and exchanged ideas

što smo se okupili na ovaj način i razmijenili ideje

and really form a strong aspiration

i stvarno stvorite snažnu aspiraciju

and energy within ourselves

i energiju unutar sebe

that we will take the good

koja će uzeti dobro

that has come from this conference,

koje je došlo od ove konferencije,

the momentum, the positivity,

momentum, pozitivnost,

and we will spread that and plant it

i to ćemo rasprostrijeti i posaditi

in all of the corners of the world.

u sve kutove svijeta.

His Holiness the Karmapa: Tomorrow is my Talk.

Njegova Svetost Karmapa: Sutra je moj govor.

TD: Lakshmi has worked incredibly hard,

TD: Lakshmi je radila nevjerojatno teško,

even in inviting me,

kako bi me pozvala,

let alone everything else that she has done

na stranu sve ostalo što je napravila

to make this happen,

kako bi se ovo dogodilo,

and I was somewhat resistant at times,

a ja sam se ponekad opirao,

and I was also very nervous throughout this week.

i bio sam također prilično nervozan cijeli tjedan.

I was feeling under the weather and dizzy and so forth,

Osjećao sam se boležljivo i vrtoglavo i tako dalje,

and people would ask me, why.

i ljudi bi me pitali, zašto.

I would tell them, "It's because I have to talk tomorrow."

Rekao bih im, "To je zato jer imam govor sutra."

And so Lakshmi had to put up with me through all of that,

I tako je Lakshmi morala prolaziti sa mnom kroz sve to,

but I very much appreciate

ali ja jako cijenim

the opportunity she's given me

priliku koju mi je dala

to be here.

da budem ovdje.

And to you, everyone, thank you very much.

I vama, svima, hvala vam puno.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

HH: Thank you very much.

NjV: Hvala vam puno.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)