Sophal Ear: Escaping the Khmer Rouge

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: GI-YOUNG Yi ๊ฒ€ํ† : Seo Rim Kim
00:12
I normally teach courses on
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์ €๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ์ „์Ÿ ํ›„์—
00:15
how to rebuild states after war.
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์žฌ๊ฑดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์—๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:19
But today I've got a personal story to share with you.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ์ œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ ค๊ณ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
This is a picture of my family,
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์ด๊ฑด ์ œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์‚ฌ์ง„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:24
my four siblings -- my mom and I -- taken in 1977.
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1977๋…„์— ์ฐ์€ ๋„ค ๋ช…์˜ ํ˜•์ œ์™€, ์ €ํฌ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์™€ ์ €์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:28
And we're actually Cambodians.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:30
And this picture is taken in Vietnam.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์€ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์—์„œ ์ฐ์€ ์‚ฌ์ง„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:32
So how did a Cambodian family end up in Vietnam in 1977?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์ธ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ 1977๋…„์— ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์— ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ๋˜์—ˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
00:36
Well to explain that, I've got a short video clip
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์ด๊ฑธ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ, ์ž ์‹œ 1975๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 1979๋…„๊นŒ์ง€์˜
00:39
to explain the Khmer Rouge regime
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ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฅด๋ฃจ์ฃผ ํ†ต์น˜์— ๊ด€ํ•œ
00:41
during 1975 and 1979.
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๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:44
Video: April 17th, 1975.
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๋น„๋””์˜ค: 1975๋…„ 4์›” 17์ผ
00:48
The communist Khmer Rouge
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๊ณต์‚ฐ์ฃผ์˜ ๋‹จ์ฒด์ธ ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฅด๋ฃจ์ฃผ๊ฐ€
00:50
enters Phnom Penh to liberate their people
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ๋‚ด์˜ ์นจ๋žต์ „์Ÿ๊ณผ
00:53
from the encroaching conflict in Vietnam,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ํญํƒ„ํˆฌํ•˜๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ
00:55
and American bombing campaigns.
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ํ”„๋†ˆํŽœ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
Led by peasant-born Pol Pot,
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๋†๋ฏผ ์ถœ์‹ ์ธ ํด ํฌํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋„๋Š”
01:02
the Khmer Rouge evacuates people to the countryside
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ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฅด๋ฃจ์ฆˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์‹œ๊ณจ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ”ผ์‹œ์ผœ
01:06
in order to create a rural communist utopia,
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๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ณต์‚ฐ์ฃผ์˜์ž์˜ ์ฒœ๊ตญ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:09
much like Mao Tse-tung's Cultural Revolution in China.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์ค‘๊ตญ ๋งˆ์˜ค์ฉŒ๋šฑ์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”ํ˜๋ช…์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:15
The Khmer Rouge closes the doors to the outside world.
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ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๊นฅ์„ธ์ƒ๊ณผ์˜ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ซ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:19
But after four years the grim truth seeps out.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ 4๋…„ ํ›„์— ์ž”ํ˜นํ•œ ํ˜„์‹ค์ด ์ƒˆ์–ด๋‚˜์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
In a country of only seven million people,
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์ธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ 700๋งŒ๋ช…๋ฐ–์— ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ
01:25
one and a half million were murdered by their own leaders,
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150๋งŒ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ง€๋„์ž์— ์˜ํ•ด์„œ ์ฃฝ์ž„์„ ๋‹นํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:29
their bodies piled in the mass graves of the killing fields.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‹œ์ฒด๋Š” ํ‚ฌ๋งํ•„๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋“ ๋ฉ”์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:33
Sophal Ear: So, notwithstanding the 1970s narration,
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์†ŒํŒŒ ์ด์–ด: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 1907๋…„๋Œ€์˜ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ ,
01:36
on April 17th 1975
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1975๋…„ 4์›” 17์ผ์—
01:38
we lived in Phnom Penh.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ํ”„๋†ˆํŽœ์— ์‚ด๊ณ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:40
And my parents were told by the Khmer Rouge
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์œ ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
01:43
to evacuate the city because of impending American bombing for three days.
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๋ฏธ๊ตฐ์˜ ํญ๊ฒฉ์ด ์ž„๋ฐ•ํ–ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋„์‹œ๋ฅผ ํƒˆ์ถœํ•˜๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:47
And here is a picture of the Khmer Rouge.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ์˜ ์‚ฌ์ง„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
They were young soldiers, typically child soldiers.
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์ € ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ๊ตฐ์ธ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ํ˜•์ ์ธ ์†Œ๋…„ ๊ตฐ์ธ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
01:52
And this is very normal now, of modern day conflict,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์— ์•„์ฃผ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ํ˜„๋Œ€ ์‚ฌํšŒ์˜ ์ถฉ๋Œ์—์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
01:55
because they're easy to bring into wars.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ „์Ÿ์— ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์‰ฝ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:58
The reason that they gave about American bombing wasn't all that far off.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตฐ ํญ๊ฒฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ—ˆ๋ฌด๋งน๋ž‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:02
I mean, from 1965 to 1973 there were
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์ œ ๋ง์€, 1965๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 1973๋…„๊นŒ์ง€
02:04
more munitions that fell on Cambodia
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์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์— ๋–จ์–ด์ง„ ํญํƒ„์€
02:08
than in all of World War II Japan,
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์ œ 2์ฐจ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋Œ€์ „๋•Œ 1945๋…„ 8์›”์— 2๋ฒˆ์˜ ์›์žํญํƒ„
02:10
including the two nuclear bombs
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ํˆฌํ•˜๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์— ํˆฌํ•˜๋œ ํญํƒ„๋ณด๋‹ค
02:12
of August 1945.
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๋” ๋งŽ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:15
The Khmer Rouge didn't believe in money.
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ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ๋Š” ๋ˆ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
02:18
So the equivalent of the Federal Reserve Bank
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์—ฐ๋ฐฉ์ค€๋น„์€ํ–‰๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์กด์žฌ์˜€๋˜ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์˜ ์ค‘์•™์€ํ–‰์ด
02:20
in Cambodia was bombed.
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ํญ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:22
But not just that, they actually banned money.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ๋งŒ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ˆ์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์ฒด๋ฅผ ๊ธˆ์ง€์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:25
I think it's the only precedent in which
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ˆ์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๊ธˆ์ง€๋œ
02:27
money has ever been stopped from being used.
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์œ ์ผํ•œ ์˜ˆ์˜€๋˜๊ฒƒ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:29
And we know money is the root of all evil,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ˆ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์•…์˜ ๋ฟŒ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:31
but it didn't actually stop evil from happening in Cambodia, in fact.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์กฐ์น˜๋„ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์—์„œ ์•…์— ์˜ํ•ด ์žํ–‰๋œ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ๋ง‰์ง€๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
My family was moved from Phnom Penh to Pursat province.
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์ €์˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ํ”„๋†ˆํŽœ์—์„œ ํ”„๋ฃจ์‚ฟ ์ง€์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:39
This is a picture of what Pursat looks like.
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์€ ํ”„๋ฃจ์‚ฟ์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:41
It's actually a very pretty area of Cambodia,
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์ด๊ณณ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๋ฒผ๋†์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š”
02:44
where rice growing takes place.
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์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์˜ ์•„์ฃผ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์ง€์—ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:46
And in fact they were forced to work the fields.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ €๊ธฐ์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์š”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
So my father and mother ended up in
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€
02:51
a sort of concentration camp, labor camp.
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๊ฐ•์ œ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋…ธ๋™ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ์— ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:54
And it was at that time that my mother got word
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋•Œ์ฏค ์ €์˜ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋Š”
02:56
from the commune chief
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๋‹น์‹œ ๊ทธ ๊ณณ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋˜ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž์—๊ฒŒ
02:59
that the Vietnamese were actually asking
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ๊ตญ์ ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
03:01
for their citizens to go back to Vietnam.
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:04
And she spoke some Vietnamese,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋…€๋Š” ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ
03:06
as a child having grown up with Vietnamese friends.
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž๋ผ์„œ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ์•Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:09
And she decided, despite the advice of her neighbors,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์ด์›ƒ๋“ค์˜ ๋งŒ๋ฅ˜์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ 
03:13
that she would take the chance
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๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์žก๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ–ˆ๊ณ 
03:15
and claim to be Vietnamese
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์ธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฐํžˆ๊ณ 
03:17
so that we could have a chance to survive,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์‚ด์•„๋‚จ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:19
because at this point they're forcing everybody to work.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์ผํ•˜๋„๋ก ์••๋ฐ•ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:21
And they're giving about --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
03:23
in a modern-day, caloric-restriction diet, I guess --
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ์นผ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ œํ•œํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์ด์–ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:26
they're giving porridge, with a few grains of rice.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์Œ€ ๋ช‡๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์„ž์€ ์˜คํŠธ๋ฐ€ ์ฃฝ์„ ์คฌ์œผ๋ฉฐ
03:30
And at about this time actually
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๋‹น์‹œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š”
03:32
my father got very sick.
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๋งค์šฐ ํŽธ์ฐฎ์œผ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:34
And he didn't speak Vietnamese.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชปํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:36
So he died actually, in January 1976.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” 1976๋…„ 1์›”์— ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:39
And it made it possible, in fact,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์˜ ์ฃฝ์Œ์€
03:42
for us to take on this plan.
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์ €ํฌ๋กœ ํ•˜์—ฌ๊ธˆ ์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๋†“์น˜์ง€์•Š๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:44
So the Khmer Rouge took us
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„
03:46
from a place called Pursat to Kaoh Tiev,
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ํ‘ธ๋ฅด์‚ฟ์—์„œ ์ฝ”ํ‹ฐ๋ฐ๋ธŒ๋ผ ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
03:48
which is across from the border from Vietnam.
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ ๋„˜์–ด์˜ ์žฅ์†Œ๋กœ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:51
And there they had a detention camp
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์—๋Š” ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์ธ๋“ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
03:53
where alleged Vietnamese would be tested, language tested.
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ž„์‹œ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:57
And my mother's Vietnamese was so bad
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €์˜ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์˜ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์–ด๋Š” ์™„์ „ ์„œํˆด๋ €์—ˆ๊ณ 
04:00
that to make our story more credible,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์ž๋ฉด
04:04
she'd given all the boys and girls new Vietnamese names.
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์ž์‹๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์–ด๋กœ ๋œ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์ง€์–ด์คฌ๋Š”๋ฐ
04:07
But she'd given the boys girls' names,
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์•„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋”ธ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ,
04:09
and the girls boys' names.
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๋”ธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์•„๋“ค์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์ง€์–ด์คฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:12
And it wasn't until she met a Vietnamese lady
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ž๊ณ 
04:14
who told her this, and then tutored her for two days intensively,
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๊ทธ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์€ ์ดํ‹€๋™์•ˆ ์ €ํฌ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์—๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณ์ค˜์„œ
04:18
that she was able to go into her exam
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๊ฐ€ ์‹œํ—˜์— ์ž„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:21
and -- you know, this was a moment of truth.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:24
If she fails, we're all headed to the gallows;
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์‹คํŒจํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ๊ต์ˆ˜ํ˜•์— ์ณํ•ด์กŒ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ .
04:27
if she passes, we can leave to Vietnam.
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:29
And she actually, of course -- I'm here, she passes.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ €ํฌ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์‹œํ—˜์— ํ†ต๊ณผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:33
And we end up in Hong Ngu on the Vietnamese side.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ™๋‰ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ์ง€์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ์กŒ๊ณ 
04:36
And then onwards to Chau Doc.
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์ฐจ์šฐ๋•์„ ํ–ฅํ•ด์„œ ๊ณ„์† ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:38
And this is a picture of Hong Ngu, Vietnam today.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚ ์˜ ํ™๋‰ด์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:40
A pretty idyllic place on the Mekong Delta.
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๋ฉ”์ฝฉ ์‚ผ๊ฐ์ฃผ์— ์œ„์น˜ํ•œ ์•„์ฃผ ์ „์›์ ์ธ ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:42
But for us it meant freedom.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ž์œ ๋ฅผ ์ƒ์ง•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:44
And freedom from persecution from the Khmer Rouge.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ์˜ ๋ฐ•ํ•ด๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ์˜ ์ž์œ ๋ฅผ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:49
Last year, the Khmer Rouge Tribunal,
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์ž‘๋…„์—, UN ์ด ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„๋ฅผ ๋„์™€์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•œ
04:52
which the U.N. is helping Cambodia take on,
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ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ ์žฌํŒ์ด
04:54
started, and I decided that as a matter of record
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์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์„ ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ
04:56
I should file a Civil Complaint
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฏผ๊ฐ„์ธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ์ €์˜ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์˜ ์ฃฝ์Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์„
04:59
with the Tribunal about my father's passing away.
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์ œ์†Œ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
And I got word last month
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ๋‹ฌ์— ์ €์˜ ์ œ์†Œ๊ฐ€
05:05
that the complaint was officially accepted by the Khmer Rouge Tribunal.
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ํฌ๋ฉ”๋ฃจ์ฆˆ ์žฌํŒ์— ๊ณต์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์กŒ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ 
05:08
And it's for me a matter of justice for history, and accountability for the future,
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •์˜๊ฐ€ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜€๊ณ , ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ์˜๋ฌด๊ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:13
because Cambodia remains a pretty lawless place, at times.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„๋Š” ๊ฝค๋‚˜ ๋ฌด๋ฒ•์ฒœ์ง€์ธ ๊ณณ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:18
Five years ago my mother and I went back to Chau Doc.
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5๋…„ ์ „์— ์ €์˜ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์™€ ์ €๋Š” ์ฐจ์šฐ๋•์— ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:22
And she was able to return to a place
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์ž์œ ์™€ ๊ณตํฌ๋ฅผ ๋™์‹œ์— ์ƒ์ง•ํ•˜๋˜
05:24
that for her meant freedom, but also fear,
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:27
because we had just come out of Cambodia.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ง‰ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์—์„œ ๋‚˜์™”์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:30
I'm happy, actually, today, to present her.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ €ํฌ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋ฅผ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋˜์–ด์„œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ „ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
She's here today with us in the audience.
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์•‰์•„๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:36
Thank you mother.
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ฃผ์„ธ์š”
05:38
(Applause)
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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