How we take back the internet | Edward Snowden

Prevoditelj: Maja Covic Recezent: Ivan Stamenković

Chris Anderson: The rights of citizens,

Chris Anderson: Prava građana,

the future of the Internet.

budućnost Interneta.

So I would like to welcome to the TED stage

Rado bih na pozornicu TED-a pozvao

the man behind those revelations,

čovjeka koji stoji iza tih otkrića,

Ed Snowden.

Eda Snowdena.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Ed is in a remote location somewhere in Russia

Ed je na udaljenoj lokaciji negdje u Rusiji

controlling this bot from his laptop,

i kontrolira ovog robota putem svoga laptopa,

so he can see what the bot can see.

tako da može vidjeti što vidi robot.

Ed, welcome to the TED stage.

Ed, dobrodošao na pozornicu TED-a.

What can you see, as a matter of fact?

Što, zapravo, možeš vidjeti?

Edward Snowden: Ha, I can see everyone.

Edward Snowden: Ha, vidim sve.

This is amazing.

Ovo je nevjerojatno.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

CA: Ed, some questions for you.

CA: Ed, imam neka pitanja za tebe.

You've been called many things

Zvali su te svakakvim imenima

in the last few months.

zadnjih nekoliko mjeseci.

You've been called a whistleblower, a traitor,

Zvali su te zviždačem, izdajicom,

a hero.

junakom.

What words would you describe yourself with?

Kojim riječima bi se ti sam opisao?

ES: You know, everybody who is involved

ES: Svatko tko je uključen

with this debate

u ovu raspravu

has been struggling over me and my personality

ima problema sa mnom, mojom osobnošću

and how to describe me.

i s tim kako da me opiše.

But when I think about it,

No, kada razmislim o tome,

this isn't the question that we should be struggling with.

ne bismo se trebali time zamarati.

Who I am really doesn't matter at all.

Zaista nije važno tko sam ja.

If I'm the worst person in the world,

Da sam najgora osoba na svijetu,

you can hate me and move on.

možete me mrziti i nastaviti dalje.

What really matters here are the issues.

Ovdje su bitni problemi.

What really matters here is the kind of government we want,

Bitno je kakvu vladu želimo,

the kind of Internet we want,

kakav Internet želimo,

the kind of relationship between people

kakve odnose među ljudima

and societies.

i društvima želimo.

And that's what I'm hoping the debate will move towards,

Nadam se da će se rasprava usmjeriti prema tome,

and we've seen that increasing over time.

i vidjeli smo da se interes za to tijekom vremena povećao.

If I had to describe myself,

Da se trebam opisati,

I wouldn't use words like "hero."

ne bih koristio izraze poput "junak".

I wouldn't use "patriot," and I wouldn't use "traitor."

Ne bih rekao "domoljub" niti "izdajica".

I'd say I'm an American and I'm a citizen,

Rekao bih da sam Amerikanac i građanin,

just like everyone else.

poput svih ostalih.

CA: So just to give some context

CA: Samo da damo neki kontekst

for those who don't know the whole story --

onima koji nisu upoznati sa cijelom pričom --

(Applause) —

(Pljesak) —

this time a year ago, you were stationed in Hawaii

u ovo vrijeme prošle godine, bio si stacioniran na Havajima,

working as a consultant to the NSA.

radeći kao savjetnik za NSA.

As a sysadmin, you had access

Kao administrator sustava, imao si pristup

to their systems,

njihovim sustavima,

and you began revealing certain classified documents

i počeo si otkrivati određene tajne dokumente

to some handpicked journalists

nekim pomno odabranim novinarima

leading the way to June's revelations.

što je dovelo do otkrića u lipnju.

Now, what propelled you to do this?

Što te je potaknulo da to napraviš?

ES: You know,

ES: Znaš,

when I was sitting in Hawaii,

dok sam sjedio na Havajima,

and the years before, when I was working in the intelligence community,

i godinama prije toga, dok sam radio u obavještajnoj zajednici,

I saw a lot of things that had disturbed me.

vidio sam puno uznemirujućih stvari.

We do a lot of good things in the intelligence community,

U obavještajnoj zajednici radimo mnogo dobrih stvari,

things that need to be done,

stvari koje trebaju biti učinjene,

and things that help everyone.

i koje pomažu svima.

But there are also things that go too far.

No postoje i stvari koje odlaze predaleko.

There are things that shouldn't be done,

Postoje stvari koje se ne bi smjele raditi,

and decisions that were being made in secret

i odluke koje su se donosile u tajnosti

without the public's awareness,

bez znanja javnosti,

without the public's consent,

bez pristanka javnosti,

and without even our representatives in government

i čak bez saznanja naših predstavnika u vladi

having knowledge of these programs.

o ovim programima.

When I really came to struggle with these issues,

Kada su me zaista počeli mučiti ti problemi,

I thought to myself,

pitao sam se

how can I do this in the most responsible way,

kako to mogu raditi na najodgovorniji način,

that maximizes the public benefit

kojim ću maksimizirati javnu korist

while minimizing the risks?

i minimalizirati rizike.

And out of all the solutions that I could come up with,

I od svih rješenja kojih sam se sjetio,

out of going to Congress,

od toga da odem u Kongres,

when there were no laws,

kada nisu postojali zakoni,

there were no legal protections

nije postojala pravna zaštita

for a private employee,

za privatnog zaposlenika,

a contractor in intelligence like myself,

ugovornog djelatnika u obavještajnoj službi, poput mene,

there was a risk that I would be buried along with the information

postojala je opasnost da me se pokopa zajedno s informacijama

and the public would never find out.

a javnost nikada ne bi saznala.

But the First Amendment of the United States Constitution

No, Prvi amandman Američkog ustava

guarantees us a free press for a reason,

jamči nam slobodu tiska s razlogom,

and that's to enable an adversarial press,

a to je da omogući kritično novinarstvo,

to challenge the government,

da vladi postavlja izazove,

but also to work together with the government,

ali i da surađuje s vladom,

to have a dialogue and debate about how we can

da vodi dijalog i raspravu o tome kako možemo

inform the public about matters of vital importance

informirati javnost o ključnim pitanjima

without putting our national security at risk.

bez da ugrožavamo nacionalnu sigurnost.

And by working with journalists,

No, surađujući s novinarima,

by giving all of my information

dajući sve svoje informacije

back to the American people,

Američkom narodu,

rather than trusting myself to make

umjesto da sebi povjeravam

the decisions about publication,

odluke o njihovom objavljivanju,

we've had a robust debate

vodio sam žestoku raspravu

with a deep investment by the government

s vladom koja se snažno angažirala,

that I think has resulted in a benefit for everyone.

i vjerujem da je rezultat toga bila korist za sve nas.

And the risks that have been threatened,

Rizici koji su prijetili,

the risks that have been played up

rizici koje je naglašavala

by the government

vlada

have never materialized.

nikada se nisu ostvarili.

We've never seen any evidence

Nikada nismo vidjeli nikakve dokaze

of even a single instance of specific harm,

ni o jednom štetnom slučaju,

and because of that,

i zbog toga

I'm comfortable with the decisions that I made.

miran sam što sam donio takvu odluku.

CA: So let me show the audience

CA: Dopusti mi da pokažem publici

a couple of examples of what you revealed.

par primjera onoga što si razotkrio.

If we could have a slide up, and Ed,

Ako bismo mogli dobiti slajd, i Ed,

I don't know whether you can see,

ne znam možeš li vidjeti,

the slides are here.

slajdovi su ovdje.

This is a slide of the PRISM program,

Ovo je slajd o programu PRISM,

and maybe you could tell the audience

i možda bi mogao objasniti publici

what that was that was revealed.

što je to bilo otkriveno.

ES: The best way to understand PRISM,

ES: Najbolji način da shvatite PRISM,

because there's been a little bit of controversy,

budući da je bilo kontroverzi oko njega,

is to first talk about what PRISM isn't.

jest da kažem što PRISM nije.

Much of the debate in the U.S. has been about metadata.

U Americi je bilo puno rasprave u vezi metapodataka.

They've said it's just metadata, it's just metadata,

Govorili su da su to "samo metapodatci, samo metapodatci",

and they're talking about a specific legal authority

i govore o određenoj pravnoj nadležnosti

called Section 215 of the Patriot Act.

zvanoj Sekcija 215 Patriotskog zakona.

That allows sort of a warrantless wiretapping,

On omogućuje prisluškivanje bez naloga,

mass surveillance of the entire country's

masovni nadzor telefonskih zapisnika

phone records, things like that --

cijele zemlje, takve stvari --

who you're talking to,

s kime razgovarate,

when you're talking to them,

kada razgovarate s njima,

where you traveled.

kamo ste putovali.

These are all metadata events.

To su sve primjeri metapodataka.

PRISM is about content.

PRISM je usredotočen na sadržaj.

It's a program through which the government could

To je program preko kojeg bi vlada mogla

compel corporate America,

prisiliti korporativnu Ameriku,

it could deputize corporate America

delegirati je

to do its dirty work for the NSA.

da radi njene prljave poslove za NSA.

And even though some of these companies did resist,

I iako su se neke tvrtke suprotstavile tome,

even though some of them --

iako su neke od njih --

I believe Yahoo was one of them —

mislim da je jedna od njih Yahoo -

challenged them in court, they all lost,

tužile vladu na sudu, sve su izgubile spor,

because it was never tried by an open court.

jer se suđenje odvijalo na sudu zatvorenom za javnost.

They were only tried by a secret court.

Odlučivao je jedino tajni sud.

And something that we've seen,

I nešto što smo vidjeli,

something about the PRISM program that's very concerning to me is,

nešto u vezi programa PRISM što je za mene jako zabrinjavajuće

there's been a talking point in the U.S. government

jest to da je Američka vlada iznijela argument

where they've said 15 federal judges

tvrdeći da je 15 saveznih sudaca

have reviewed these programs and found them to be lawful,

istražilo te programe i zaključilo da su zakoniti,

but what they don't tell you

no ono što vam ne govore

is those are secret judges

jest da su to tajni suci

in a secret court

na tajnom sudu

based on secret interpretations of law

temeljenom na tajnim tumačenjima zakona

that's considered 34,000 warrant requests

koji je odlučivao o 34.000 zahtjeva za ovlasti

over 33 years,

tijekom 33 godine,

and in 33 years only rejected

i u 33 godine odbio je

11 government requests.

samo 11 vladinih zahtjeva.

These aren't the people that we want deciding

Ne želimo da nam takvi ljudi odlučuju

what the role of corporate America

kakva bi trebala biti uloga korporativne Amerike

in a free and open Internet should be.

na slobodnom i otvorenom Internetu.

CA: Now, this slide that we're showing here

CA: Ovaj slajd koji pokazujemo

shows the dates in which

prikazuje datume kada su se

different technology companies, Internet companies,

različite tehnološke i Internetske tvrtke

are alleged to have joined the program,

navodno uključile u program,

and where data collection began from them.

i kako je od njh započelo prikupljanje podataka.

Now, they have denied collaborating with the NSA.

One su zanijekale suradnju s NSA.

How was that data collected by the NSA?

Kako je NSA prikupljao te podatke?

ES: Right. So the NSA's own slides

ES: Slajdovi koji pripadaju NSA

refer to it as direct access.

nazivaju to izravnim pristupom.

What that means to an actual NSA analyst,

Ono što to znači konkretnom analitičaru u NSA,

someone like me who was working as an intelligence analyst

nekome poput mene, koji sam radio kao obavještajni analitičar

targeting, Chinese cyber-hackers,

usmjeren na Kineske cyber hakere,

things like that, in Hawaii,

i takve stvari, na Havajima,

is the provenance of that data

jest da te podatke

is directly from their servers.

dobiva izravno s njihovih servera.

It doesn't mean

To ne znači

that there's a group of company representatives

da postoji grupa predstavnika tvrtke

sitting in a smoky room with the NSA

koji sjede u zadimljenoj prostoriji s NSA

palling around and making back-room deals

družeći se i ugovarajući zakulisne dogovore

about how they're going to give this stuff away.

kako će predati te podatke.

Now each company handles it different ways.

Svaka tvrtka to radi na drukčiji način.

Some are responsible.

Neke su odgovorne.

Some are somewhat less responsible.

Neke su nešto manje odgovorne.

But the bottom line is, when we talk about

No zaključak jest taj da, kada govorimo o tome

how this information is given,

kako se ove informacije daju,

it's coming from the companies themselves.

da one dolaze od samih tvrtki.

It's not stolen from the lines.

Nisu ukradene s linija.

But there's an important thing to remember here:

No, ovdje treba upamtiti važnu činjenicu:

even though companies pushed back,

iako su se tvrtke usprotivile,

even though companies demanded,

iako su tvrtke zahtijevale

hey, let's do this through a warrant process,

da se to čini kroz ovlašteni proces,

let's do this

da se to čini

where we actually have some sort of legal review,

tako da imaju neki pravni nadzor,

some sort of basis for handing over

nekakve temelje za davanje

these users' data,

takvih korisničkih podataka,

we saw stories in the Washington Post last year

čitali smo prošle godine priče u Washingt Postu,

that weren't as well reported as the PRISM story

koje nisu bile toliko dobro iznesene kao reportaža o PRISM-u,

that said the NSA broke in

koje su tvrdile kako je NSA upala u

to the data center communications

komunikacije podatkovnog centra

between Google to itself

između sebe i Googla

and Yahoo to itself.

i između sebe i Yahooa.

So even these companies that are cooperating

Tako da čak i te kompanije koje surađuju

in at least a compelled but hopefully lawful manner

na prisilan, no nadajmo se i zakonit način

with the NSA,

s NSA,

the NSA isn't satisfied with that,

NSA nije time zadovoljna,

and because of that, we need our companies

i zbog toga, naše tvrtke trebaju

to work very hard

raditi puno na tome

to guarantee that they're going to represent

da mogu jamčiti kako će predstavljati

the interests of the user, and also advocate

interese korisnika i da će se boriti

for the rights of the users.

za njihova prava.

And I think over the last year,

Mislim da smo tijekom prošle godine

we've seen the companies that are named

vidjeli kako tvrtke koje su navedene

on the PRISM slides

na slajdovima PRISM-a

take great strides to do that,

brzo napreduju prema tome,

and I encourage them to continue.

i ja ih potičem da tako tako nastave.

CA: What more should they do?

CA: Što bi još te tvrtke trebale napraviti?

ES: The biggest thing that an Internet company

ES: Najveća stvar koju neka Internetska tvrtka

in America can do today, right now,

u Americi može napraviti danas, sad odmah,

without consulting with lawyers,

bez da se savjetuju s odvjetnicima,

to protect the rights of users worldwide,

kako bi zaštitili prava korisnika diljem svijeta,

is to enable SSL web encryption

jest da omoguće SSL kriptografsku zaštitu mreže

on every page you visit.

na svakoj stranici koju posjećujete.

The reason this matters is today,

Razlog zašto je ovo bitno danas jest taj što,

if you go to look at a copy of "1984" on Amazon.com,

ako pogledate primjerak knjige "1984" na Amazonu,

the NSA can see a record of that,

NSA može vidjeti zapis o tome,

the Russian intelligence service can see a record of that,

Ruska obavještajna služba može vidjeti zapis o tome,

the Chinese service can see a record of that,

Kineska služba može to vidjeti,

the French service, the German service,

Francuska služba, Njemačka služba,

the services of Andorra.

služba Andore.

They can all see it because it's unencrypted.

Sve one mogu to vidjeti jer nije kriptogrsfski zaštićeno.

The world's library is Amazon.com,

Amazon je svjetska knjižnica,

but not only do they not support encryption by default,

no ne samo da već standardno ne podržava enkripciju,

you cannot choose to use encryption

već nemate ni opciju da birate korištenje enkripcije

when browsing through books.

kada pregledavate knjige.

This is something that we need to change,

To trebamo promijeniti,

not just for Amazon, I don't mean to single them out,

ne samo za Amazon, ne želim ih izdvajati,

but they're a great example.

no oni su odličan primjer.

All companies need to move

Sve se tvrtke trebaju okrenuti

to an encrypted browsing habit by default

standardnoj kriptografskoj zaštiti pregledavanja

for all users who haven't taken any action

za sve korisnike koji nisu poduzeli nikakve mjere

or picked any special methods on their own.

ili odabrali neku svoju posebnu metodu.

That'll increase the privacy and the rights

To će povećati privatnost i prava

that people enjoy worldwide.

za ljude diljem svijeta.

CA: Ed, come with me to this part of the stage.

CA: Ed, pođi sa mnom na ovu stranu pozornice.

I want to show you the next slide here. (Applause)

želim ti pokazati slijedeći slajd. (Pljesak)

This is a program called Boundless Informant.

Ovo je program zvan Boundelss Informant (Bezgranični doušnik).

What is that?

Što je to?

ES: So, I've got to give credit to the NSA

ES: Moram pohvaliti NSA

for using appropriate names on this.

što korisiti prikladne nazive za ovo.

This is one of my favorite NSA cryptonyms.

Ovo mi je jedan od najdražih NSA-inih kriptonima.

Boundless Informant

Bezgranični doušnik

is a program that the NSA hid from Congress.

program je koji je NSA skrila od Kongresa.

The NSA was previously asked by Congress,

Kongres je prethodno ispitao NSA

was there any ability that they had

postoji li mogućnost da

to even give a rough ballpark estimate

približno procijeni

of the amount of American communications

količinu komunikacija u Americi

that were being intercepted.

koju se presreće.

They said no. They said, we don't track those stats,

Rekli su da ne mogu, da ne prate tu statistiku,

and we can't track those stats.

i da je ne mogu pratiti.

We can't tell you how many communications

Rekli su da ne mogu reći koliku količinu komunikacija

we're intercepting around the world,

diljem svijeta presreću,

because to tell you that would be

jer da im to kažu, to bi bilo

to invade your privacy.

narušavanje naše privatnosti.

Now, I really appreciate that sentiment from them,

Jako cijenim takav njihov stav,

but the reality, when you look at this slide is,

no, ako pogledate ovaj slajd, vidite da u stvari

not only do they have the capability,

ne samo da imaju mogućnost da to naprave,

the capability already exists.

ta mogućnost već postoji.

It's already in place.

Već je u pogonu.

The NSA has its own internal data format

NSA ima unutarnji podatkovni format

that tracks both ends of a communication,

koji prati oba kraja komunikacija,

and if it says,

i ako taj format pokaže

this communication came from America,

da neka komunikacija dolazi iz Amerike,

they can tell Congress how many of those communications

mogu reći Kongresu koliki broj tih komunikacija

they have today, right now.

trenutno imaju.

And what Boundless Informant tells us

Ono što nam Bezgranični doušnik govori

is more communications are being intercepted

jest da se u Americi presreće

in America about Americans

više komunikacija Amerikanaca

than there are in Russia about Russians.

nego što se u Rusiji presreće komunikacija Rusa.

I'm not sure that's what an intelligence agency

Nisam siguran da bi se jedna obavještajna služba

should be aiming for.

trebala usmjeravati na takvo što.

CA: Ed, there was a story broken in the Washington Post,

CA: Ed, u Washington Postu je bila objavljena priča,

again from your data.

opet temeljena na tvojim podacima.

The headline says,

Naslov je glasio,

"NSA broke privacy rules

"NSA prekršila pravila privatnosti

thousands of times per year."

nekoliko tisuća puta u godini dana."

Tell us about that.

Pričaj nam o tome.

ES: We also heard in Congressional testimony last year,

ES: Slušali smo prošle godine u kongresnom svjedočenju.

it was an amazing thing for someone like me

Bilo je nevjerojatno za nekoga poput mene,

who came from the NSA

tko dolazi iz NSA

and who's seen the actual internal documents,

i tko je vidio konkretne interne dokumente,

knows what's in them,

i zna što je u njima,

to see officials testifying under oath

gledati službenike kako svjedoče pod prisegom

that there had been no abuses,

kako nije bilo nikakvih zlouporaba položaja,

that there had been no violations of the NSA's rules,

kako nije bilo kršenja NSA-inih pravila,

when we knew this story was coming.

kada smo već znali da je ova priča u igri.

But what's especially interesting about this,

No, ono što je ovdje posebno zanimljivo

about the fact that the NSA has violated

jest činjenica da je NSA prekršila

their own rules, their own laws

vlastita pravila, vlastite zakone

thousands of times in a single year,

par tisuća puta u samo jednoj godini,

including one event by itself,

uključujući jedan izdvojen slučaj,

one event out of those 2,776,

jedan od njih 2776,

that affected more than 3,000 people.

koji je imao utjecaja na preko 3000 ljudi.

In another event, they intercepted

U jednom drugom slučaju, presreli su

all the calls in Washington, D.C., by accident.

sve pozive iz Washingtona D.C.-a, slučajno.

What's amazing about this,

Nevjerojatno je to

this report, that didn't get that much attention,

da je ovo izvješće, koje nije privuklo puno pozornosti,

is the fact that not only were there 2,776 abuses,

činjenica kako nije samo bilo 2776 slučaja zlouporabe,

the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,

već i to da predsjednica Komiteta Američkog Senata za obavještajne službe,

Dianne Feinstein, had not seen this report

Dianne Feinstein, nije vidjela to izvješće

until the Washington Post contacted her

dok je Washington Post nije kontaktirao

asking for comment on the report.

tražeći njen komentar na to izvješće.

And she then requested a copy from the NSA

Tada je od NSA zatražila primjerak izvješća

and received it,

i dobila ga,

but had never seen this before that.

no prethodno ga nije bila vidjela.

What does that say about the state of oversight

Što nam to govori o propustima

in American intelligence

u Američkim obavještajnim službama

when the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee

kada predsjednica Komiteta Američkog Senata za obavještajne službe

has no idea that the rules are being broken

nema pojma da se pravila krše

thousands of times every year?

nekoliko tisuća puta svake godine?

CA: Ed, one response to this whole debate is this:

CA: Ed, jedan odgovor na cijelu ovu raspravu je ovaj:

Why should we care about

Zašto da se brinemo oko

all this surveillance, honestly?

svog tog nadzora?

I mean, look, if you've done nothing wrong,

Ako nisi ništa loše napravio,

you've got nothing to worry about.

nemaš se čega bojati.

What's wrong with that point of view?

Što nedostaje takvom načinu gledanja?

ES: Well, so the first thing is,

ES: Kao prvo,

you're giving up your rights.

odričete se svojih prava.

You're saying hey, you know,

Govorite kako

I don't think I'm going to need them,

mislite da vam neće biti potrebna,

so I'm just going to trust that, you know,

tako da ćete jednostavno vjerovati da

let's get rid of them, it doesn't really matter,

ih se treba riješiti, da nisu bitna,

these guys are going to do the right thing.

da će ti momci obaviti posao kako treba.

Your rights matter

Vaša prava su bitna,

because you never know when you're going to need them.

jer nikada ne znate kada ćete ih trebati.

Beyond that, it's a part of our cultural identity,

Više od toga, oni su dio našeg kulturnog identiteta,

not just in America,

ne samo u Americi,

but in Western societies

već u Zapadnim društvima,

and in democratic societies around the world.

i u demokratskim društvima diljem svijeta.

People should be able to pick up the phone

Ljudi bi trebali moći podići slušalicu

and to call their family,

i nazvati svoje obitelji,

people should be able to send a text message

ljudi bi trebali moći poslati sms poruku

to their loved ones,

svojim voljenima,

people should be able to buy a book online,

ljudi bi trebali moći kupiti knjigu putem Interneta,

they should be able to travel by train,

trebali bi moći putovati vlakom,

they should be able to buy an airline ticket

trebali bi moći kupiti avionsku kartu,

without wondering about how these events

bez da se pitaju kako će te radnje

are going to look to an agent of the government,

izgledati nekom vladinom agentu,

possibly not even your government

koji čak vjerojatno pripada nekoj stranoj vladi,

years in the future,

godinama kasnije,

how they're going to be misinterpreted

kako će biti krivo protumačene

and what they're going to think your intentions were.

i što će misliti koje su vam bile namjere.

We have a right to privacy.

Mi imamo pravo na privatnost.

We require warrants to be based on probable cause

Zahtijevamo da se nalozi temelje na vjerojatnoj sumnji

or some kind of individualized suspicion

ili nekoj individualiziranoj sumnji

because we recognize that trusting anybody,

jer shvaćamo da je povjeriti bilo kome,

any government authority,

ijednom vladinom tijelu,

with the entirety of human communications

cjelokupne komunikacije ljudi

in secret and without oversight

u tajnosti i bez nadzora

is simply too great a temptation to be ignored.

jednostavno preveliko iskušenje da bi ga se ignoriralo.

CA: Some people are furious at what you've done.

CA: Neki ljudi su bijesni zbog toga što si učinio.

I heard a quote recently from Dick Cheney

Nedavno sam čuo citat Dicka Cheneyja

who said that Julian Assange was a flea bite,

koji je izjavio da je Julian Assange bio ugriz buhe,

Edward Snowden is the lion that bit the head off the dog.

dok je Edward Snowden lav koji je psu odgrizao glavu.

He thinks you've committed

Smatra da si počinio

one of the worst acts of betrayal

jednu on najgorih izdaja

in American history.

u Američkoj povijesti.

What would you say to people who think that?

Što bi rekao ljudima koji tako razmišljaju?

ES: Dick Cheney's really something else.

ES: Dick Cheney je zaista nešto posebno.

(Laughter) (Applause)

(Smijeh) (Pljesak)

Thank you. (Laughter)

Hvala. (Smijeh)

I think it's amazing, because at the time

Smatram to zapanjujućim, budući da, u vrijeme kada je

Julian Assange was doing some of his greatest work,

Julian Assange radio na jednom od svojih najvećih djela,

Dick Cheney was saying

Dick Cheney je izjavljivao

he was going to end governments worldwide,

da će to uništiti vlade diljem svijeta,

the skies were going to ignite

da će se nebesa zapaliti

and the seas were going to boil off,

i da će mora ispariti,

and now he's saying it's a flea bite.

a sada govori da je to bio ugriz buhe.

So we should be suspicious about the same sort of

Zato bismo trebali biti sumnjičavi oko takvih i sličnih

overblown claims of damage to national security

napuhanih izjava ovakih dužnosnika

from these kind of officials.

o šteti koja se nanosi nacionalnoj sigurnosti.

But let's assume that these people really believe this.

No, pretpostavimo da ti ljudi zaista vjeruju u to.

I would argue that they have kind of

Tvrdio bih da oni imaju

a narrow conception of national security.

ograničenu predodžbu o nacionalnoj sigurnosti.

The prerogatives of people like Dick Cheney

Povlastice ljudi poput Dicka Cheneyja

do not keep the nation safe.

ne čine naciju sigurnom.

The public interest is not always the same

Interes javnosti nije uvijek jednak

as the national interest.

nacionalnom interesu.

Going to war with people who are not our enemy

Ratovanje s ljudima koji nam nisu neprijatelji

in places that are not a threat

na mjestima koja nisu prijetnja

doesn't make us safe,

ne čine nas sigurnima,

and that applies whether it's in Iraq

i to je tako, bilo da je riječ o Iraku

or on the Internet.

ili o Internetu.

The Internet is not the enemy.

Internet nije neprijatelj.

Our economy is not the enemy.

Naše gospodarstvo nije neprijatelj.

American businesses, Chinese businesses,

Američke tvrtke, Kineske tvrtke,

and any other company out there

i bilo koje druge tvrtke

is a part of our society.

dio su našeg društva.

It's a part of our interconnected world.

Dio su našeg međusobno povezanog svijeta.

There are ties of fraternity that bond us together,

Vežu nas bratske spone,

and if we destroy these bonds

a ako uništimo te spone

by undermining the standards, the security,

potkopavanjem standarda, sigurnosti,

the manner of behavior,

načina ponašanja,

that nations and citizens all around the world

koje nacije i građani diljem svijeta

expect us to abide by.

očekuju da ih poštujemo.

CA: But it's alleged that you've stolen

CA: No, smatra se da si ukrao

1.7 million documents.

1,7 milijuna dokumenata.

It seems only a few hundred of them

Čini se da je tek nekoliko stotina njih

have been shared with journalists so far.

dosad podijeljeno s novinarima.

Are there more revelations to come?

Slijedi li još otkrića?

ES: There are absolutely more revelations to come.

ES: Definitivno slijedi još otkrića.

I don't think there's any question

Nije uopće upitno

that some of the most important reporting

da neke od najznačajnijih objava

to be done is yet to come.

tek slijede.

CA: Come here, because I want to ask you

CA: Priđi ovdje, htio bih te pitati

about this particular revelation.

nešto o ovom konkretnom otkriću.

Come and take a look at this.

Pogledaj ovo.

I mean, this is a story which I think for a lot of the techies in this room

Mislim da je ovo priča koja je za mnoge informatičare ovdje

is the single most shocking thing

najšokantnija stvar

that they have heard in the last few months.

koju su čuli u posljednjih nekoliko mjeseci.

It's about a program called "Bullrun."

Radi se o programu "Bullrun".

Can you explain what that is?

Možeš li objasniti o čemu je riječ?

ES: So Bullrun, and this is again

ES: Ovdje također

where we've got to thank the NSA for their candor,

trebamo zahvaliti NSA na iskrenosti.

this is a program named after a Civil War battle.

Bullrun je program nazvan prema jednoj bitci u Američkom građanskom ratu.

The British counterpart is called Edgehill,

Britanska verzija se zove Edgehill,

which is a U.K. civil war battle.

prema bitci u engleskom građanskom ratu.

And the reason that I believe they're named this way

Vjerujem da su tako nazvani

is because they target our own infrastructure.

jer ciljaju na našu vlastitu infrastrukturu.

They're programs through which the NSA

To su programi pomoću kojih NSA

intentionally misleads corporate partners.

hotimično vara korporativne partnere.

They tell corporate partners that these

Govore korporativnim partnerima da su ovo

are safe standards.

sigurni standardi.

They say hey, we need to work with you

Govore im da trebaju poslovati s njima

to secure your systems,

kako bi zaštitili njihove programe,

but in reality, they're giving bad advice

no zapravo, daju loše savjete

to these companies that makes them

tim tvrtkama koje posljedično

degrade the security of their services.

smanjuju sigurnost svojih usluga.

They're building in backdoors that not only

Ugrađuju tajne pristupe svojim uslugama koje ne samo da

the NSA can exploit,

NSA može iskorištavati,

but anyone else who has time and money

već i svatko tko ima vremena i novaca

to research and find it

da ih istraži i pronađe

can then use to let themselves in

može ih iskoristiti da upadne u

to the world's communications.

sve komunikacije na svijetu.

And this is really dangerous,

To je zaista opasno,

because if we lose a single standard,

jer ako izgubimo jedan jedini standard,

if we lose the trust of something like SSL,

ako izgubimo povjerenje u nešto poput SSL-a,

which was specifically targeted

na kojega je posebno ciljao

by the Bullrun program,

program Bullrun,

we will live a less safe world overall.

svi ćemo živjet u manje sigurnom svijetu.

We won't be able to access our banks

Nećemo moći pristupiti našim bankama

and we won't be able to access commerce

niti trgovini

without worrying about people monitoring those communications

bez straha da netko prati našu komunikaciju

or subverting them for their own ends.

ili ih potkopava iz vlastite koristi.

CA: And do those same decisions also potentially

CA: Izlažu li te iste odluke

open America up to cyberattacks

Ameriku cyber napadima

from other sources?

iz drugih izvora?

ES: Absolutely.

ES: Apsolutno.

One of the problems,

Jedan od problema,

one of the dangerous legacies

jedna od opasnih ostavština

that we've seen in the post-9/11 era,

koje smo vidjeli nakon napada 11. rujna,

is that the NSA has traditionally worn two hats.

jest da je NSA tradicionalno imala dva zadatka.

They've been in charge of offensive operations,

Upravljala je ofenzivnim operacijama,

that is hacking,

poput hakiranja,

but they've also been in charge of defensive operations,

no upravljala je i obrambenim operacijama,

and traditionally they've always prioritized

i tradicionalno je uvijek davala prioritet

defense over offense

obrani umjesto napadu

based on the principle

bazirajući se po principu

that American secrets are simply worth more.

da su Američke tajne vrednije od tuđih.

If we hack a Chinese business

Ako hakiramo Kinesko poslovanje

and steal their secrets,

i ukrademo njihove tajne,

if we hack a government office in Berlin

ako hakiramo ured u Berlinu

and steal their secrets,

i ukrademo njihove tajne,

that has less value to the American people

to za Amerikance vrijedi manje

than making sure that the Chinese

od toga da se osiguramo da Kinezi

can't get access to our secrets.

neće moći doći do naših tajni.

So by reducing the security of our communications,

Smanjivanjem zaštite naših komunikacija,

they're not only putting the world at risk,

ne samo da ugrožavaju svijet,

they're putting America at risk in a fundamental way,

već ugrožavaju i Ameriku na fundamentalan način,

because intellectual property is the basis,

budući da je intelektualno vlasništvo osnova,

the foundation of our economy,

temelj naše ekonomije,

and if we put that at risk through weak security,

i ako to ugrozimo slabom zaštitom,

we're going to be paying for it for years.

ispaštat ćemo za to godinama.

CA: But they've made a calculation

CA: No procijenili su

that it was worth doing this

da je vrijedilo to učiniti

as part of America's defense against terrorism.

kao jedan od načina obrane Amerike od terorizma.

Surely that makes it a price worth paying.

Sigurno da je to cijena koju vrijedi platiti.

ES: Well, when you look at the results

ES: Kada pogledate rezultate

of these programs in stopping terrorism,

tih programa u sprečavanju terorizma,

you will see that that's unfounded,

vidjet ćete da je to neutemeljeno,

and you don't have to take my word for it,

i ne morate mi vjerovati,

because we've had the first open court,

budući da smo imali prvo otvoreno suđenje.

the first federal court that's reviewed this,

Prvi federalni sud koji je ovo preispitao,

outside the secrecy arrangement,

bez tajnih postupaka,

called these programs Orwellian

nazvao je ove programe "orwellskim"

and likely unconstitutional.

i jamačno neustavnim.

Congress, who has access

Kongres, koji ima pravo

to be briefed on these things,

dobivati izvješća o ovakvim stvarima,

and now has the desire to be,

i koji sada želi čuti izvješća,

has produced bills to reform it,

donio je zakone o njihovom uređivanju,

and two independent White House panels

a dva nezavisna vijeća Bijele Kuće

who reviewed all of the classified evidence

koja su pregledala sve tajne dokaze

said these programs have never stopped

ustvrdila su kako ti programi nikada nisu zaustavili

a single terrorist attack

niti jedan teroristički napad

that was imminent in the United States.

koji je prijetio SAD-u.

So is it really terrorism that we're stopping?

Radili se ovdje, stoga, zaista o sprečavanju terorizma?

Do these programs have any value at all?

Imaju li ovi programi ikakvu vrijednost?

I say no, and all three branches

Tvrdim da nemaju, i sve tri grane

of the American government say no as well.

Američke vlade tvrde isto to.

CA: I mean, do you think there's a deeper motivation

CA: Vjeruješ li da postoji neki dublji razlog

for them than the war against terrorism?

od borbe protiv terorizma?

ES: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, say again?

ES: Oprosti, nisam te čuo, možeš li ponoviti?

CA: Sorry. Do you think there's a deeper motivation

CA: Oprosti. Vjeruješ li da postoji neki dublji razlog

for them other than the war against terrorism?

za njih od borbe protiv terorizma?

ES: Yeah. The bottom line is that terrorism

ES: Da. Sve se svodi na to da je terorizam

has always been what we in the intelligence world

oduvijek bio ono što mi u obavještajnom svijetu

would call a cover for action.

zovemo pokriće za djelovanje.

Terrorism is something that provokes

Terorizam je nešto što izaziva

an emotional response that allows people

emocionalni odgovor koji omogućuje ljudima

to rationalize authorizing powers and programs

da racionaliziraju ovlaštene autoritete i programe

that they wouldn't give otherwise.

što u protivnom ne bi činili.

The Bullrun and Edgehill-type programs,

Programi poput Bullruna i Edgehilla,

the NSA asked for these authorities

NSA je tražila takve ovlasti

back in the 1990s.

još u 1990-ima.

They asked the FBI to go to Congress and make the case.

Tražili su od FBI-a da ode u Kongres i lobira za njih.

The FBI went to Congress and did make the case.

FBI je otišao u Kongres i doista lobirao.

But Congress and the American people said no.

Međutim, Kongres i Američki narod rekli su "ne".

They said, it's not worth the risk to our economy.

Rekli su da ne vrijedi riskirati našu ekonomiju.

They said it's worth too much damage

Rekli su da prijeti prevelika šteta

to our society to justify the gains.

za društvo da bi mogli opravdati korist.

But what we saw is, in the post-9/11 era,

No, u eri nakon 11. rujna, vidjeli smo

they used secrecy and they used the justification of terrorism

da su se koristili tajnama i da su koristili terorizam kao opravdanje

to start these programs in secret

za pokretanje ovih programa u tajnosti

without asking Congress,

bez da su pitali Kongres za dozvolu,

without asking the American people,

bez da su pitali Američki narod,

and it's that kind of government behind closed doors

i to je takva vrsta vlade iza zatvorenih vrata

that we need to guard ourselves against,

protiv koje se trebamo zaštititi,

because it makes us less safe,

jer nas čini manje sigurnima,

and it offers no value.

i ne nudi nikakve vrijednosti.

CA: Okay, come with me here for a sec,

CA: U redu. Pođi sa mnom ovamo na tren,

because I've got a more personal question for you.

imam jedno malo privatnije pitanje za tebe.

Speaking of terror,

Kada govorimo o strahu,

most people would find the situation you're in right now

većina ljudi bi smatrala situaciju u kojoj se ti sada nalaziš

in Russia pretty terrifying.

u Rusiji jako zastrašujućom.

You obviously heard what happened,

Očigledno si čuo što se dogodilo,

what the treatment that Bradley Manning got,

kakav je tretman prošao Bradley Manning,

Chelsea Manning as now is,

to jest sada Chelsea Manning,

and there was a story in Buzzfeed saying that

a u Buzzfeedu je bila priča o tome kako

there are people in the intelligence community

ima nekih ljudi u obavještajnim vodama

who want you dead.

koji ti žele smrt.

How are you coping with this?

Kako se nosiš s time?

How are you coping with the fear?

Kako se nosiš sa strahom?

ES: It's no mystery

ES: Nije nikakva tajna

that there are governments out there that want to see me dead.

da postoje vlade koje me žele mrtvog.

I've made clear again and again and again

Opetovano sam se izjašnjavao

that I go to sleep every morning

kako idem spavati svako jutro

thinking about what I can do for the American people.

razmišljajući što mogu učiniti za američki narod.

I don't want to harm my government.

Ne želim nauditi svojoj vladi.

I want to help my government,

Želim joj pomoći,

but the fact that they are willing to

ali činjenica da su spremni

completely ignore due process,

potpuno ignorirati sudski proces,

they're willing to declare guilt

da su spremni nekoga proglasiti krivim

without ever seeing a trial,

bez ikakvog suđenja,

these are things that we need to work against

to su svari protiv kojih se trebamo boriti

as a society, and say hey, this is not appropriate.

kao društvo i reći da to nije prikladno.

We shouldn't be threatening dissidents.

Ne bismo smjeli prijetiti disidentima.

We shouldn't be criminalizing journalism.

Ne bismo smjeli kriminalizirati novinarstvo.

And whatever part I can do to see that end,

I koju god da ulogu mogu odigrati da se to okonča

I'm happy to do despite the risks.

rado ću je odigrati usprkos rizicima.

CA: So I'd actually like to get some feedback

CA: Htio bih dobiti povratnu informaciju

from the audience here,

od publike ovdje,

because I know there's widely differing reactions

jer znam da ima vrlo različitih reakcija

to Edward Snowden.

na Edwarda Snowdena.

Suppose you had the following two choices, right?

Pretpostavite da imate ove dvije opcije.

You could view what he did

Možete smatrati da je ono što je napravio

as fundamentally a reckless act

potpuno nepromišljeno djelovanje

that has endangered America

koje je ugrozilo Ameriku

or you could view it as fundamentally a heroic act

ili možete to promatrati kao definitivno junačko djelo

that will work towards America and the world's

koje će doprinijeti dugoročnom boljitku

long-term good?

Amerike i svijeta.

Those are the two choices I'll give you.

Dajem vam te dvije opcije.

I'm curious to see who's willing to vote with

Zanima me tko će se opredijeliti

the first of those,

za prvu opciju,

that this was a reckless act?

da je to nepromišljeno djelo.

There are some hands going up.

Ima nekoliko podignutih ruku.

Some hands going up.

Nekoliko ruku je gore.

It's hard to put your hand up

Teško je dići ruku

when the man is standing right here,

dok Edward ovdje stoji,

but I see them.

no vidim ih.

ES: I can see you. (Laughter)

ES: Vidim vas. (Smijeh)

CA: And who goes with the second choice,

CA: A tko se opredjeljuje za drugu opciju,

the fundamentally heroic act?

definitivno junačko djelo?

(Applause) (Cheers)

(Pljesak) (Navijanje)

And I think it's true to say that there are a lot of people

Mislim da sam u pravu kada kažem da ima puno ljudi

who didn't show a hand and I think

koji nisu digli ruku i vjerujem

are still thinking this through,

da još uvijek promišljaju o ovome,

because it seems to me that the debate around you

jer mi se čini da se rasprava o tebi

doesn't split along traditional political lines.

ne dijeli prema tradicionalnim političkim linijama.

It's not left or right, it's not really about

Nije ni lijevo ni desno, ne radi se o

pro-government, libertarian, or not just that.

pro-vladinoj struji, libertarijanizmu, i ne samo tome.

Part of it is almost a generational issue.

Djelomično je skoro riječ o generacijskom problemu.

You're part of a generation that grew up

Pripadaš generaciji koja je odrasla

with the Internet, and it seems as if

uz Internet, i čini se kao da

you become offended at almost a visceral level

se ljudi nađu duboko uvrijeđeni

when you see something done

kada vide da se radi nešto

that you think will harm the Internet.

što smatraju štetnim za Internet.

Is there some truth to that?

Ima li u tome istine?

ES: It is. I think it's very true.

ES: Ima. Mislim da je to potpuno točno.

This is not a left or right issue.

Ovdje se ne radi o problemu ljevice i desnice.

Our basic freedoms, and when I say our,

Naše osnovne slobode, i kada kažem naše,

I don't just mean Americans,

ne mislim samo na Amerikance,

I mean people around the world,

mislim na ljude diljem svijeta,

it's not a partisan issue.

nisu pitanje pristranosti.

These are things that all people believe,

Ovo su stvari u koje svi ljudi vjeruju,

and it's up to all of us to protect them,

i na svima je nama da ih zaštitimo,

and to people who have seen and enjoyed

i na ljudima koji su vidjeli i uživali

a free and open Internet,

u slobodnom i otvorenom Internetu,

it's up to us to preserve that liberty

na nama je da očuvamo tu slobodu

for the next generation to enjoy,

za sljedeću generaciju,

and if we don't change things,

i ako to ne promijenimo,

if we don't stand up to make the changes

ako se ne zauzmemo za promjene

we need to do to keep the Internet safe,

koje su potrebne da bi se očuvao siguran Internet,

not just for us but for everyone,

ne samo za nas, već za sve,

we're going to lose that,

izgubit ćemo ga,

and that would be a tremendous loss,

a to bi bio izniman gubitak,

not just for us, but for the world.

ne samo za nas, nego i za cijeli svijet.

CA: Well, I have heard similar language recently

CA: Nedavno sam čuo nešto slično

from the founder of the world wide web,

od osnivača World Wide Weba,

who I actually think is with us, Sir Tim Berners-Lee.

mislim da je ovdje s nama, Sir Tim Berners-Lee.

Tim, actually, would you like to come up and say,

Time, bi li se popeo ovdje i rekao,

do we have a microphone for Tim?

imamo li mikrofon za Tima?

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Tim, good to see you. Come up there.

Drago mi je da te vidim, Time. Dođi gore.

Which camp are you in, by the way,

Inače, na kojoj si ti strani?

traitor, hero? I have a theory on this, but --

Izdajnik, junak? Imam neku teoriju o tome, no --

Tim Berners-Lee: I've given much longer

Tim Berners-Lee: Davao sam puno dulje

answers to that question, but hero,

odgovore na to pitanje, no - junak,

if I have to make the choice between the two.

ako trebam birati između te dvije opcije.

CA: And Ed, I think you've read

CA: Ed, vjerujem da si pročitao

the proposal that Sir Tim has talked about

prijedlog o kojem je Sir Tim govorio,

about a new Magna Carta to take back the Internet.

o novoj Magni Carti kako bi preuzeli Internet.

Is that something that makes sense?

Ima li to smisla?

ES: Absolutely. I mean, my generation, I grew up

ES: Apsolutno. Moja generacija, ja sam odrastao

not just thinking about the Internet,

ne samo razmišljajući o Internetu

but I grew up in the Internet,

već sam odrastao u Internetu,

and although I never expected to have the chance

i iako nikada nisam očekivao da ću imati priliku

to defend it in such a direct and practical manner

braniti ga na tako izravan i praktičan način

and to embody it in this unusual,

i utjeloviti ga na ovaj neobičan,

almost avatar manner,

skoro avatarski način,

I think there's something poetic about the fact that

mislim da je pomalo poetična činjenica da

one of the sons of the Internet

jedan je od sinova Interneta

has actually become close to the Internet

postao blizak Internetu

as a result of their political expression.

kao posljedica svojeg političkog izjašnjavanja.

And I believe that a Magna Carta for the Internet

Smatram da je Magna Carta za Internet

is exactly what we need.

upravo ono što nam je potrebno.

We need to encode our values

Moramo šifrirati naše vrijednosti

not just in writing but in the structure of the Internet,

ne samo u pismenom obliku već i u strukturi Interneta,

and it's something that I hope,

i tome se nadam,

I invite everyone in the audience,

pozivam sve u publici,

not just here in Vancouver but around the world,

ne samo ovdje u Vancouveru već diljem svijeta,

to join and participate in.

da se pridruže i sudjeluju.

CA: Do you have a question for Ed?

CA: Imaš li pitanje za Eda?

TBL: Well, two questions,

TBL: Imam dva pitanja,

a general question —

općenito pitanje —

CA: Ed, can you still hear us?

CA: Ed, čuješ li nas još uvijek?

ES: Yes, I can hear you. CA: Oh, he's back.

ES: Da, čujem vas. CA: Evo ga natrag.

TBL: The wiretap on your line

TBL: Uređaj za prisluškivanje na tvojoj liniji

got a little interfered with for a moment.

malo se upleo na tren.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

ES: It's a little bit of an NSA problem.

ES: To je problem za NSA.

TBL: So, from the 25 years,

TBL: Znači, nakon 25 godina,

stepping back and thinking,

kad se odmakneš i promisliš,

what would you think would be

što misliš da je najbolje

the best that we could achieve

što bismo mogli postići

from all the discussions that we have

od svih rasprava koje vodimo

about the web we want?

o mreži kakvu bismo željeli?

ES: When we think about

ES: Kada razmišljamo o tome

in terms of how far we can go,

koliko daleko možemo ići,

I think that's a question that's really only limited

mislim da je to pitanje koje je jedino ograničeno

by what we're willing to put into it.

onime što smo spremni uložiti.

I think the Internet that we've enjoyed in the past

Mislim da je Internet koji smo koristili u prošlosti

has been exactly what we as not just a nation

bio upravo ono što mi, ne samo kao nacija

but as a people around the world need,

već kao ljudi na cijelom svijetu trebamo,

and by cooperating, by engaging not just

i kroz suradnju, uključivanje ne samo

the technical parts of society,

tehničkog dijela društva,

but as you said, the users,

već kao što si rekao, korisnika,

the people around the world who contribute

ljudi diljem svijeta koji doprinose

through the Internet, through social media,

putem Interneta, društvenih mreža,

who just check the weather,

koji samo provjeravaju vremensku prognozu,

who rely on it every day as a part of their life,

koji se svaki dan pouzdaju u to kao dio svog života,

to champion that.

da to brane.

We'll get not just the Internet we've had,

Ne samo da ćemo dobiti Internet kakav smo imali,

but a better Internet, a better now,

nego još bolji Internet, bolju sadašnjost,

something that we can use to build a future

nešto čime možemo izgraditi bolju budućnost

that'll be better not just than what we hoped for

koja će biti bolja ne samo od onoga čemu smo se nadali

but anything that we could have imagined.

nego od bilo čega što smo mogli zamisliti.

CA: It's 30 years ago that TED was founded, 1984.

CA: Prošlo je 30 godina od osnivanja TED- a, 1984.

A lot of the conversation since then has been

Otada je bio mnogo rasprava

along the lines that

o tome kako je

actually George Orwell got it wrong.

George Orwell zapravo bio u krivu.

It's not Big Brother watching us.

Ne promatra nas Veliki Brat.

We, through the power of the web,

Mi, putem mreže,

and transparency, are now watching Big Brother.

i transparentnosti, sada promatramo Velikog Brata.

Your revelations kind of drove a stake

Tvoja otkrića su na neki način

through the heart of that rather optimistic view,

uništila taj dosta optimističan stav,

but you still believe there's a way of doing something

no još uvijek vjeruješ da se može nešto učiniti

about that.

oko toga.

And you do too.

Kao i ti.

ES: Right, so there is an argument to be made

ES: Treba dokazati

that the powers of Big Brother have increased enormously.

da su se ovlasti Velikog Brata iznimno povećale.

There was a recent legal article at Yale

Nedavno je objavljen pravni članak na sveučilištu Yale

that established something called the Bankston-Soltani Principle,

koji je ustanovio nešto što se zove Bankston-Soltani princip,

which is that our expectation of privacy is violated

a to je da je naše očekivanje privatnosti bilo narušeno

when the capabilities of government surveillance

kada su sposobnosti vladinog nadzora

have become cheaper by an order of magnitude,

postale jeftinije prema redu veličine,

and each time that occurs, we need to revisit

i svaki put kada se to dogodi, trebamo ponovo razmotriti

and rebalance our privacy rights.

i preustrojiti naša prava na privatnost.

Now, that hasn't happened since

To se nije dogodilo otkad

the government's surveillance powers

su ovlasti vladinog nadzora

have increased by several orders of magnitude,

porasle nekoliko redova veličine,

and that's why we're in the problem that we're in today,

i zato danas imamo problem,

but there is still hope,

no još uvijek ima nade,

because the power of individuals

jer je moć pojedinaca

have also been increased by technology.

također porasla pomoću tehnologije.

I am living proof

Ja sam živi dokaz

that an individual can go head to head

kako se pojedinac može suprotstaviti

against the most powerful adversaries

najmoćnijim protivnicima

and the most powerful intelligence agencies

i najmoćnijim službama za nadziranje

around the world and win,

diljem svijeta i pobijediti,

and I think that's something

i mislim da je to nešto

that we need to take hope from,

iz čega trebamo crpiti nadu,

and we need to build on

i poći od toga

to make it accessible not just to technical experts

i učiniti to dostupnim ne samo informatičkim stručnjacima

but to ordinary citizens around the world.

već i običnim građanima svijeta.

Journalism is not a crime,

Novinarstvo nije zločin,

communication is not a crime,

komunikacija nije zločin,

and we should not be monitored in our everyday activities.

i ne bi nas smjeli nadzirati u našim svakodnevnim aktivnostima.

CA: I'm not quite sure how you shake the hand of a bot,

CA: Ne znam kako se rukovati s robotom,

but I imagine it's, this is the hand right here. TBL: That'll come very soon.

no mislim da je ovo desna ruka. TBL: To će ubrzo doći.

ES: Nice to meet you,

ES: Bilo mi je drago upoznati Vas,

and I hope my beam looks as nice

i nadam se da je moja slika jednako dobra

as my view of you guys does.

kao što je meni vaša.

CA: Thank you, Tim.

CA: Hvala ti, Time.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

I mean, The New York Times recently called for an amnesty for you.

The New York Times je nedavno zatražio tvoje pomilovanje.

Would you welcome the chance to come back to America?

Bi li rado prihvatio mogućnost povratka u Ameriku?

ES: Absolutely. There's really no question,

ES: Apsolutno. To uopće nije pitanje,

the principles that have been the foundation

principi na kojima se temeljio

of this project

ovaj projekt

have been the public interest

bili su interesi javnosti

and the principles that underly

i principi koji su temelj

the journalistic establishment in the United States

novinarstva u SAD-u

and around the world,

i diljem svijeta,

and I think if the press is now saying,

i smatram da, ako mediji govore

we support this,

da to podupiru,

this is something that needed to happen,

da se to mora dogoditi,

that's a powerful argument, but it's not the final argument,

to je onda moćan argument, no ne i finalni argument.

and I think that's something that public should decide.

Mislim da bi o tome trebala odlučiti javnost.

But at the same time,

No, istovremeno

the government has hinted that they want

vlada je nagovijestila da želi

some kind of deal,

nekakav dogovor,

that they want me to compromise

da želi da otkrijem

the journalists with which I've been working,

s kojim sam novinarima surađivao

to come back,

kako bih se mogao vratiti.

and I want to make it very clear

Želim jasno naznačiti

that I did not do this to be safe.

da ovo nisam učinio kako bih bio siguran.

I did this to do what was right,

Učinio sam to da napravim nešto što je ispravno,

and I'm not going to stop my work

i neću stati s nečime

in the public interest

što je u inetesu javnosti

just to benefit myself.

samo da bih sebi pomogao.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

CA: In the meantime,

CA: U međuvremenu,

courtesy of the Internet and this technology,

zahvaljujući Internetu i ovoj tehnologiji,

you're here, back in North America,

ovdje si, ponovno u Sjevernoj Americi,

not quite the U.S., Canada, in this form.

ne baš u SAD-u, nego u Kanadi, u ovome obliku.

I'm curious, how does that feel?

Zanima me, kakav je osjećaj?

ES: Canada is different than what I expected.

ES: Kanada je drukčija od onog što sam očekivao.

It's a lot warmer.

Puno je toplije.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

CA: At TED, the mission is "ideas worth spreading."

CA: Za TED je misija "ideje koje vrijedi širiti".

If you could encapsulate it in a single idea,

Kada bi mogao sažeti u jednoj jedinoj ideji,

what is your idea worth spreading

koja bi bila tvoja ideja vrijedna širenja

right now at this moment?

u ovome trenutku?

ES: I would say the last year has been a reminder

ES: Rekao bih da je prethodna godina bila podsjetnik

that democracy may die behind closed doors,

kako demokracija može umrijeti iza zatvorenih vrata,

but we as individuals are born

no da smo mi kao pojedinci rođeni

behind those same closed doors,

iza istih tih zatvorenih vrata,

and we don't have to give up

i ne trebamo dizati ruke

our privacy to have good government.

od svoje privatnosti da bismo imali dobre vlade.

We don't have to give up our liberty

Ne trebamo odustajati od naše slobode

to have security.

kako bismo bili sigurni.

And I think by working together

Mislim da zajedničkim djelovanjem

we can have both open government

možemo imati i otvorenu vladu

and private lives,

i privatnost,

and I look forward to working with everyone

i radujem se surađivanju sa svima

around the world to see that happen.

diljem svijeta da se to omogući.

Thank you very much.

Puno vam hvala.

CA: Ed, thank you.

CA: Ed, hvala tebi.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)