Wael Ghonim: Inside the Egyptian revolution

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Prevoditelj: Mislav Ante Omazić - EFZG Recezent: Tilen Pigac - EFZG
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This is Revolution 2.0.
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Ovo je revolucija 2.0.
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No one was a hero. No one was a hero.
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Nitko nije bio heroj. NIti jedna osoba nije bila heroj.
00:21
Because everyone was a hero.
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Jer su svi bili heroji.
00:25
Everyone has done something.
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Svatko je učinio nešto.
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We all use Wikipedia.
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Svi koristimo Wikipediju.
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If you think of the concept of Wikipedia
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Ako razmislite o konceptu Wikipedije
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where everyone is collaborating on content,
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gdje svi surađuju stvarajući sadržaj.
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and at the end of the day
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I na kraju dana
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you've built the largest encyclopedia in the world.
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izgradili ste najveću enciklopediju na svijetu.
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From just an idea that sounded crazy,
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Od ideje koja je zvučala ludo,
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you have the largest encyclopedia in the world.
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imate najveću enciklopediju na svijetu.
00:46
And in the Egyptian revolution,
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A u egipatskoj revoluciji,
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the Revolution 2.0,
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revoluciji 2.0,
00:50
everyone has contributed something,
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svatko je doprinjeo s nečim --
00:52
small or big. They contributed something --
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malim ili velikim, oni su doprinjeli s nečim --
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to bring us
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što nam je donijelo
00:57
one of the most inspiring stories
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jednu od najinspirativnijih priča
01:00
in the history of mankind
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u povijesti ljudske vrste
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when it comes to revolutions.
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kada je riječ o revolucijama.
01:04
It was actually really inspiring
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Bilo je stvarno inspirativno
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to see all these Egyptians completely changing.
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vidjeti sve te Egipćane kako se mijenjaju.
01:09
If you look at the scene,
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Ako pogledate na kontekst,
01:11
Egypt, for 30 years, had been in a downhill --
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Egipat, je 30 godina išao nizbrdo --
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going into a downhill.
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išao je u spust.
01:16
Everything was going bad.
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Sve je bilo loše.
01:18
Everything was going wrong.
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Sve je bilo krivo.
01:21
We only ranked high when it comes to poverty,
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Bili smo visoko rangirani jedino kada je riječ o siromaštvu,
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corruption,
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korupciji,
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lack of freedom of speech,
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manjku slobode govora,
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lack of political activism.
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manjku političkog aktivizma.
01:30
Those were the achievements
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To su bila dostignuća
01:32
of our great regime.
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našeg velikog režima.
01:36
Yet, nothing was happening.
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Ipak, ništa se nije događalo.
01:38
And it's not because people were happy
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A to nije zbog toga što su ljudi bili sretni
01:40
or people were not frustrated.
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ili zbog toga što ljudi nisu bili frustrirani.
01:43
In fact, people were extremely frustrated.
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U stvari, ljudi su bili ekstremno frustrirani.
01:45
But the reason why everyone was silent
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Ali razlog zašto su svi šutjeli
01:48
is what I call the psychological barrier of fear.
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jest ono što ja nazivam psihološkom barijerom straha.
01:52
Everyone was scared.
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Svi su se bojali.
01:54
Not everyone. There were actually a few brave Egyptians
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Ne svi. Bilo je nekoliko hrabrih Egipćana
01:56
that I have to thank for being so brave --
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kojima moram zahvaliti što su bili toliko hrabri --
01:59
going into protests as a couple of hundred,
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odlazeći protestirati u stotinama,
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getting beaten up and arrested.
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bivajući pretućeni i uhapšeni.
02:05
But in fact, the majority were scared.
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Ali u stvari, većina je bila uplašena.
02:08
Everyone did not want really
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Svi nisu stvarno željeli
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to get in trouble.
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ući u nevolju.
02:12
A dictator cannot live without the force.
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Diktator ne može živjeti bez sile.
02:15
They want to make people live in fear.
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Oni žele da ljudi žive u strahu.
02:18
And that psychological barrier of fear
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I ta psihološka barijera straha
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had worked for so many years,
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funkcionirala je toliko puno godina,
02:24
and here comes the Internet,
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i onda dolazi Internet,
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technology, BlackBerry, SMS.
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tehnologija, BlackBerry, SMS.
02:29
It's helping all of us to connect.
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To nam svima pomaže da se povežemo.
02:32
Platforms like YouTube, Twitter, Facebook
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Platforme poput YouTube-a, Twitter-a, Facebook-a
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were helping us a lot
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su nam jako puno pomagale,
02:38
because it basically gave us the impression that, "Wow, I'm not alone.
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jer su nam u osnovi dale osjećaj da, "Ja nisam sam.
02:41
There are a lot of people who are frustrated."
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Tu je jako puno ljudi koji su frustrirani."
02:43
There are lots of people who are frustrated.
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Postoji jako puno ljudi koji su frustrirani.
02:45
There are lots of people who actually share the same dream.
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Postoji jako puno ljudi koji, u stvari, dijele isti san.
02:48
There are lots of people who care about their freedom.
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Postoji jako puno ljudi kojima je stalo do njihove slobode.
02:51
They probably have the best life in the world.
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Oni vjerojatno imaju najbolji život na svijetu.
02:53
They are living in happiness. They are living in their villas.
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Oni žive u sreći. Oni žive u svojim vilama.
02:56
They are happy. They don't have problems.
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Oni su sretni; oni nemaju problema.
02:58
But they are still feeling the pain of the Egyptian.
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Ali oni još uvijek osjećaju bol Egipćana.
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A lot of us, we're not really happy
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Puno nas, mi nismo stvarno sretni
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when we see a video of an Egyptian man
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kada vidimo video Egipćana
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who's eating the trash
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koji jede smeće
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while others are stealing
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dok drugi kradu
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billions of Egyptian pounds
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milijarde egipatskih funti
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from the wealth of the country.
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od bogatstva zemlje.
03:14
The Internet has played a great role,
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Internet je odigrao veliku ulogu,
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helping these people to speak up their minds,
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pomažući tim ljudima da se izjasne,
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to collaborate together, to start thinking together.
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surađuju zajedno, započnu misliti zajedno.
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It was an educational campaign.
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To je bila edukacijska kampanja.
03:25
Khaled Saeed was killed
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Khaled Saeed je ubijen
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in June 2010.
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u lipnju 2010.
03:30
I still remember the photo.
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Još uvijek se sjećam slike.
03:32
I still remember every single detail of that photo.
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Još uvijek se sjećam svakog detalja te slike.
03:35
The photo was horrible.
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Slika je bila grozna.
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He was tortured,
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On je bio mučen,
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brutally tortured to death.
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brutalno mučen do smrti.
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But then what was the answer of the regime?
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Ali koji je onda bio odgovor režima?
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"He choked on a pile of hash" --
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Ugušio se u gomili hašiša.
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that was their answer:
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To je bio njihov odgovor:
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"He's a criminal.
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"On je kriminalac.
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He's someone who escaped from all these bad things."
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On je netko tko je pobjegao od svih tih loših stvari."
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But people did not relate to this.
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Ali ljudi se nisu povezali s time.
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People did not believe this.
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Ljudi nisu vjerovali u to.
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Because of the Internet, the truth prevailed
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Zbog Interneta, istina je prevladala
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and everyone knew the truth.
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i svi su znali istinu.
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And everyone started to think that "this guy could be my brother."
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I svi su počeli misliti da je "taj dečko mogao biti moj brat".
04:06
He was a middle-class guy.
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On je bio dečko iz srednje klase.
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His photo was remembered by all of us.
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Njegova slika će ostati u sjećanju svih nas.
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A page was created.
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Stranica je stvorena.
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An anonymous administrator
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Anonimni administrator
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was basically inviting people to join the page,
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je u osnovi zvao ljude da se pridruže stranici,
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and there was no plan.
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i nije bilo nikakvog plana.
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"What are we going to do?" "I don't know."
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"Što ćemo napraviti?" "Ne znam."
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In a few days, tens of thousands of people there --
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U nekoliko dana, desetine tisuća ljudi tamo --
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angry Egyptians
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ljutih Egipćana
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who were asking the ministry of interior affairs,
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koji su pitali svog ministra unutrašnjih poslova,
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"Enough.
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"Dosta.
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Get those who killed this guy.
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Uhvatite te koji su ubili tog dečka
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To just bring them to justice."
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i stavite ih pred lice pravde."
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But of course, they don't listen.
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Ali naravno, oni nisu slušali.
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It was an amazing story --
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To je nevjerojatna priča --
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how everyone started feeling the ownership.
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kako su svi počeli osjećati vlasništvo.
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Everyone was an owner in this page.
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Svatko je bio vlasnik te stranice.
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People started contributing ideas.
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Ljudi su započeli doprinositi ideje.
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In fact, one of the most ridiculous ideas
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U stvari, jedna od najsmješnijih ideja
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was, "Hey, let's have a silent stand.
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je, hej, zašutimo na tren.
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Let's get people to go in the street,
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Hajdemo dobiti ljude na ulicu,
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face the sea, their back to the street,
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da se okrenu prema moru, svoje stražnjice prema ulici,
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dressed in black, standing up silently for one hour,
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obuku u crno, i stoje u tišini jedan sat,
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doing nothing and then just leaving,
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da ne rade ništa i onda jednostavno odu,
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going back home."
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vrate se kući.
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For some people, that was like, "Wow, silent stand.
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Za neke ljude je to bilo, "Sjajno, tihi stav.
05:09
And next time it's going to be vibration."
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A slijedeći put će vibrirati."
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People were making fun of the idea.
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Ljudi su zbijali šale s idejom.
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But actually when people went to the street --
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Ali kada su stvarno izašli na ulicu --
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the first time it was thousands of people
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prvi puta bilo je tisuće ljudi
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in Alexandria --
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u Aleksandriji --
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it felt like -- it was amazing. It was great
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osjećali su se -- bilo je nevjerojatno. Bilo je sjajno.
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because it connected people from the virtual world,
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Jer je povezalo ljude iz virtualnog svijeta,
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bringing them to the real world,
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dovodeći ih u stvarni svijet,
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sharing the same dream,
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dijeleći isti san,
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the same frustration, the same anger,
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istu frustraciju, isti bijes,
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the same desire for freedom.
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istu želju za slobodom.
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And they were doing this thing.
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I oni su radili tu stvar.
05:36
But did the regime learn anything? Not really.
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Ali je li režim išta naučio? Ne stvarno.
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They were actually attacking them.
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Oni su ih u stvari napadali.
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They were actually abusing them,
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Oni su ih u stvari maltretirali,
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despite the fact of how peaceful these guys were --
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unatoč činjenici koliko su miroljubivi ti ljudi bili --
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they were not even protesting.
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oni čak nisu niti protestirali.
05:46
And things had developed
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I stvari su se razvile
05:49
until the Tunisian revolution.
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do tuniske revolucije.
05:52
This whole page was, again,
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Cijela stranica je bila, opet,
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managed by the people.
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upravljana od strane ljudi.
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In fact, the anonymous admin job
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U stvari, anonimni posao administratora
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was to collect ideas,
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bio je sakupljati ideje,
06:01
help people to vote on them
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pomoći ljudima da glasaju o njima
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and actually tell them what they are doing.
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i u stvari reći im što rade.
06:05
People were taking shots and photos;
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Ljudi su uzimali snimke i fotografije;
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people were reporting violations of human rights in Egypt;
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ljudi su prijavljivali kršenja ljudskih prava u Egiptu;
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people were suggesting ideas,
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ljudi su sugerirali ideje,
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they were actually voting on ideas,
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u stvari glasali su o idejama,
06:14
and then they were executing the ideas; people were creating videos.
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i izvršavali su ideje; ljudi su stvarali videe.
06:17
Everything was done by the people to the people,
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Sve je bilo napravljeno od strane ljudi za ljude,
06:19
and that's the power of the Internet.
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i to je moć Interneta.
06:21
There was no leader.
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Nije postojao vođa.
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The leader was everyone on that page.
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Vođa su bili svi na stranici.
06:26
The Tunisian experiment, as Amir was saying,
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Tuniski eksperiment, kao što je Amar rekao,
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inspired all of us, showed us that there is a way.
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inspirirao je sve nas, pokazao nam kako postoji put.
06:30
Yes we can. We can do it.
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Da, možemo. Možemo to napraviti.
06:32
We have the same problems;
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Imamo iste probleme,
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we can just go in the streets.
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možemo jednostavno izaći na ulice.
06:36
And when I saw the street on the 25th,
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I kada sam vidio ulicu 25og,
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I went back and said,
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vratio sam se i rekao,
06:40
"Egypt before the 25th
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"Egipat prije 25og
06:42
is never going to be Egypt after the 25th.
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neće biti nikada Egipat nakon 25og.
06:44
The revolution is happening.
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Revolucija se događa.
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This is not the end,
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Ovo nije kraj,
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this is the beginning of the end."
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ovo je početak kraja."
06:52
I was detained on the 27th night.
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Uhapšen sam 27og.
06:56
Thank God I announced the locations and everything.
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Hvala Bogu da sam objavio lokaciju i sve.
06:59
But they detained me.
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Ali uhapsili su me.
07:01
And I'm not going to talk about my experience, because this is not about me.
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I neću govoriti o svom iskustvu, jer ovdje se ne radi o meni.
07:04
I was detained for 12 days,
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Zadržan sam u pritvoru 12 dana,
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blindfolded, handcuffed.
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zavezanih očiju, u lisicama.
07:09
And I did not really hear anything. I did not know anything.
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I stvarno nisam čuo ništa. Nisam znao ništa.
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I was not allowed to speak with anyone.
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Nisu mi dozvolili pričati ni sa kim.
07:14
And I went out.
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I izašao sam.
07:16
The next day I was in Tahrir.
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Slijedeći dan sam bio u Tahriru.
07:18
Seriously, with the amount of change I had noticed in this square,
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Stvarno, s količinom promjene koju sam osjetio na tom trgu,
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I thought it was 12 years.
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mislio sam da mi je 12 godina.
07:24
I never had in my mind
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Nikada nisam imao u svojim mislima
07:26
to see this Egyptian,
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da ću vidjeti tog Egipćanina,
07:28
the amazing Egyptian.
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nevjerojatnog Egipćanina.
07:30
The fear is no longer fear.
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Strah nije više strah.
07:32
It's actually strength -- it's power.
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To je u stvari snaga -- to je moć.
07:34
People were so empowered.
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Ljudi su bili toliko osnaženi.
07:36
It was amazing how everyone was so empowered
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Bilo je nevjerojatno koliko su svi bili osnaženi
07:38
and now asking for their rights.
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i sada tražili svoja prava.
07:40
Completely opposite.
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Potpuno suprotno.
07:42
Extremism became tolerance.
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Ekstremizam je postao tolerancija.
07:45
Who would [have] imagined before the 25th,
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Tko bi to pomislio prije 25og,
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if I tell you that hundreds of thousands of Christians are going to pray
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kada bih vam rekao da će stotine tisuća Kršćana moliti
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and tens of thousands of Muslims are going to protect them,
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i da će ih desetine tisuća Muslimana štititi,
07:53
and then hundreds of thousands of Muslims are going to pray
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i onda će stotine tisuća Muslimana moliti
07:55
and tens of thousands of Christians are going to protect them --
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a desetine tisuća Kršćana će ih štititi --
07:57
this is amazing.
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to je nevjerojatno.
07:59
All the stereotypes
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Svi ti stereotipovi
08:01
that the regime was trying to put on us
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koje nam je režim nastojao imputirati
08:04
through their so-called propaganda, or mainstream media,
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kroz takozvanu propagandu ili glavne medije,
08:07
are proven wrong.
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pokazali su se krivima.
08:09
This whole revolution showed us
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Ta cijela revolucija nam je pokazala
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how ugly such a regime was
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koliko je ružan režim bio
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and how great and amazing
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i koliko je sjajan i nevjerojatan
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the Egyptian man, the Egyptian woman,
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egipatski muškarac, egipatska žena,
08:19
how simple and amazing these people are
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koliko su jednostavni i nevjerojatni ti ljudi
08:21
whenever they have a dream.
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kadgod imaju san.
08:23
When I saw that,
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Kada sam to vidio,
08:25
I went back and I wrote on Facebook.
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vratio sam se i pisao na Facebooku.
08:28
And that was a personal belief,
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I to je bilo osobno uvjerenje,
08:30
regardless of what's going on,
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bez obzira što se događalo,
08:32
regardless of the details.
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bez obzira na detalje.
08:34
I said that, "We are going to win.
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Rekao sam, "Pobijediti ćemo.
08:36
We are going to win because we don't understand politics.
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Pobijediti ćemo jer ne razumijemo politiku.
08:39
We're going to win because we don't play their dirty games.
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Pobijediti ćemo jer ne igramo prljave igre.
08:43
We're going to win because we don't have an agenda.
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Pobijediti ćemo jer nemamo agendu.
08:46
We're going to win because the tears that come from our eyes
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Pobijediti ćemo jer su suze koje su došle iz naših očiju
08:49
actually come from our hearts.
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u stvari došle iz naših srca.
08:52
We're going to win because we have dreams.
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Pobijediti ćemo jer imamo snove.
08:55
We're going to win because we are willing to stand up for our dreams."
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Pobijediti ćemo jer smo spremni stati u obranu svojih snova."
08:59
And that's actually what happened. We won.
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I to se u stvari dogodilo. Pobijedili smo.
09:02
And that's not because of anything,
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I to nije zbog ničega,
09:04
but because we believed in our dream.
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nego zbog toga što smo vjerovali u svoje snove.
09:06
The winning here is not
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Pobijediti ovdje nije
09:08
the whole details of what's going to happen in the political scene.
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zbog detalja o tome što će se dogoditi na političkoj sceni.
09:11
The winning is the winning of the dignity
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Pobjeda ovdje je pobjeda digniteta
09:13
of every single Egyptian.
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svakog pojedinog Egipćanina.
09:16
Actually, I had this taxi driver telling me,
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U stvari, jedan taksist mi je rekao,
09:19
"Listen, I am breathing freedom.
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"Slušaj, udišem slobodu.
09:22
I feel that I have dignity
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Osjećam da imam dignitet
09:24
that I have lost for so many years."
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koji sam izgubio toliko puno godina."
09:26
For me that's winning,
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Za mene je to pobjeda,
09:28
regardless of all the details.
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bez obzira na detalje.
09:30
My last word to you is a statement I believe in,
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Moja zadnja riječ vama je izjava u koju vjerujem,
09:33
which Egyptians have proven to be true,
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za koji su Egipćani dokazali da je istinita,
09:36
that the power of the people
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moć ljudi
09:38
is much stronger than the people in power.
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je puno snažnija od ljudi na moći.
09:40
Thanks a lot.
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Puno hvala.
09:42
(Applause)
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