Johanna Blakely: Lessons from fashion's free culture

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譯者: Mavis Lin 審譯者: Zhu Jie
00:16
I heard this amazing story about Miuccia Prada.
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我曾聽過一則關於Miucha Prada 的有趣故事
00:18
She's an Italian fashion designer.
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她是位義大利籍的時裝設計師
00:20
She goes to this vintage store in Paris
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她曾與她的一票朋友
00:22
with a friend of hers.
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到巴黎的一間古著店
00:24
She's rooting around, she finds this one jacket by Balenciaga --
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逛著逛著, 她發現了一件巴黎世家的夾克外套
00:28
she loves it.
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她很喜歡
00:30
She's turning it inside out.
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她把夾克翻到反面
00:32
She's looking at the seams. She's looking at the construction.
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她看了看夾克的車工縫線, 整件衣服的剪裁
00:35
Her friend says, "Buy it already."
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她的朋友說: 就買下它吧
00:37
She said, "I'll buy it, but I'm also going to replicate it."
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她說: 我會買, 而且我還要把它複製出來
00:42
Now, the academics in this audience may think,
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現在坐在觀眾席,身為知識分子的你們也許會想
00:45
"Well, that sounds like plagiarism."
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『嗯, 這看起來似乎是一種抄襲行為』
00:47
But to a fashionista, what it really is
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但對一個時尚達人來說
00:49
is a sign of Prada's genius:
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這正是Prada真正厲害的地方
00:51
that she can root through the history of fashion
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她可以在不同年代的流行當中
00:53
and pick the one jacket
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選中一件夾克
00:55
that doesn't need to be changed by one iota,
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甚至不需怎麼修改
00:57
and to be current and to be now.
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就可以讓這件骨董夾克變成入時且時髦的
01:00
You might also be asking whether it's possible
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有人也許會問她這麼做
01:03
that this is illegal for her to do this.
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是否是違法的
01:06
Well, it turns out that it's actually not illegal.
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其實, 這的確不犯法
01:09
In the fashion industry, there's very little
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在時尚業界裡
01:11
intellectual property protection.
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並沒有什麼智慧財產權的保護
01:14
They have trademark protection,
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他們有商標保護法
01:16
but no copyright protection
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但並沒有保護版權的規範
01:18
and no patent protection to speak of.
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也沒有專利保護的法則
01:21
All they have, really, is trademark protection,
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時尚產業只擁有商標的法律規範
01:23
and so it means that anybody
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所以這也就意味著任何人
01:25
could copy any garment
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都可以模仿在場的人
01:27
on any person in this room
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身上穿的任一服裝款式
01:29
and sell it as their own design.
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當做自己的設計將其生產販賣
01:31
The only thing that they can't copy
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唯一不能抄襲的
01:33
is the actual trademark label
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就是縫在衣服內裡的
01:35
within that piece of apparel.
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品牌商標
01:37
That's one reason that you see logos
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這也是為什麼你們會看到許多商品上
01:39
splattered all over these products.
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佈滿了品牌標誌
01:41
It's because it's a lot harder for knock-off artists
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是因為這樣對仿冒商來說
01:43
to knock off these designs
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要仿冒這些設計更為困難
01:45
because they can't knock off the logo.
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因為他們不能仿冒品牌標誌
01:48
But if you go to Santee Alley, yeah.
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但如果你到聖提街
01:51
(Laughter) Well, yeah.
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沒錯
01:53
Canal Street, I know.
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還有運河街, 我知道
01:55
And sometimes these are fun, right?
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這其實還蠻有趣的, 對吧
01:57
Now, the reason for this, the reason that the fashion industry
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現在, 要來解釋時尚界
02:00
doesn't have any copyright protection
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沒有任何版權保護法的原因
02:02
is because the courts decided long ago
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是因為在很久以前法院就決定
02:05
that apparel is too utilitarian
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由於服裝款式應用範圍太廣
02:07
to qualify for copyright protection.
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所以無法以版權保護來界定
02:09
They didn't want a handful of designers
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他們不想讓一群設計師
02:11
owning the seminal building blocks of our clothing.
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對服裝產業擁有太多影響力
02:14
And then everybody else would have to license this cuff or this sleeve
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不然大家可能得跑去申請某一袖口樣式
02:17
because Joe Blow owns it.
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只因為此樣式為Joe Blow所擁有
02:21
But too utilitarian? I mean is that the way you think of fashion?
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但真的太過實用嗎? 我是指這就是你們對時尚產業的觀感嗎?
02:24
This is Vivienne Westwood. No!
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這是Vivienne Westwood. 喔不
02:27
We think of it as maybe too silly,
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我們覺得這也許太愚蠢
02:29
too unnecessary.
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太不必要了
02:31
Now, those of you who are familiar with the logic
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現在,熟悉版權保護的
02:33
behind copyright protection --
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背後操作邏輯的你們
02:35
which is that without ownership, there is no incentive to innovate --
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也就是認為沒有擁有權,就不會有創新的動機
02:38
might be really surprised
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可能會很驚訝
02:40
by both the critical success of the fashion industry
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時尚產業的巨大成功
02:43
and the economic success of this industry.
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與極大的經濟效益
02:46
What I'm going to argue today is that
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今天我在這裡所要討論的是
02:48
because there's no copyright protection
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由於在時尚產業中
02:50
in the fashion industry,
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並無版權保護規範
02:52
fashion designers have actually been able to elevate
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時裝設計師其實已經在把
02:55
utilitarian design,
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我們穿戴在身上的
02:57
things to cover our naked bodies,
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大眾服裝設計
02:59
into something that we consider art.
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提升到較高的藝術層面
03:01
Because there's no copyright protection
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因為在時尚圈
03:03
in this industry,
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並沒有版權保護
03:05
there's a very open and creative
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所以這個圈子非常的開放,極具創意性
03:07
ecology of creativity.
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是創意的孕育箱
03:09
Unlike their creative brothers and sisters,
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不像其他的藝術型產業
03:11
who are sculptors or photographers
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利如雕塑或攝影
03:14
or filmmakers or musicians,
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電影或音樂
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fashion designers can sample
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時尚設計師可以向其他同儕設計師
03:19
from all their peers' designs.
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取樣其設計
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They can take any element from any garment
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他們可以取樣流行史上任一服裝款式
03:23
from the history of fashion
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的一項元素
03:25
and incorporate it into their own design.
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並加以融合成自己的設計
03:27
They're also notorious for riffing off of the zeitgeist.
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他們也喜歡加入當代風潮
03:30
And here, I suspect,
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這個, 我猜
03:32
they were influenced by the costumes in Avatar.
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是受到電影阿凡達裡的服裝造型所影響
03:35
Maybe just a little.
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也許影響不大
03:37
Can't copyright a costume either.
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電影裡的戲服同樣也不受版權保護
03:39
Now, fashion designers have
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現在, 服裝設計師擁有
03:41
the broadest palette imaginable
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最大的想像空間
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in this creative industry.
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在這個創意產業裡揮灑自如
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This wedding dress here
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這件新娘禮服
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is actually made of sporks,
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其實是用塑膠叉子所做成的
03:50
and this dress is actually made of aluminum.
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而這件洋裝的材質則是用鋁所製的
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I've heard this dress actually sort of sounds like wind chimes
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當這件洋裝擺動時
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as they walk through.
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聽起來就像風鈴的聲音
03:57
So, one of the magical side effects
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所以模仿文化的
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of having a culture of copying,
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其中一項神奇附加效應
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which is really what it is,
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其實也就是
04:03
is the establishment of trends.
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流行風潮的建立
04:05
People think this is a magical thing. How does it happen?
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大家都覺得這真的很神奇. 這是怎麼發生的呢?
04:07
Well, it's because it's legal for people to copy one another.
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嗯, 這是因為人們可以合法的相互抄襲
04:10
Some people believe that
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有些人相信
04:12
there are a few people at the top of the fashion food chain
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在時尚產業的頂端有幾個人
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who sort of dictate to us what we're all going to wear,
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將獨裁決定大眾的穿衣規則
04:18
but if you talk to any designer at any level,
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但如果你跟任一階層的服裝設計師聊過
04:20
including these high-end designers,
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包括那些知名大牌服裝設計師
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they always say
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他們總會說
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their main inspiration comes from the street:
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他們的主要靈感來源是來自於街頭
04:26
where people like you and me remix and match
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也就是出現在大街上像你我的普羅大眾混搭出
04:28
our own fashion looks.
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屬於自己的獨特風格
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And that's where they really get a lot of their
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正是他們得到許多靈感
04:32
creative inspiration,
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的地方
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so it's both a top-down and a bottom-up kind of industry.
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所以這其實是個由上到下,從細部到全體都相互關聯的產業
04:39
Now, the fast fashion giants have
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現在, 就屬平價流行服飾大廠
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probably benefited the most
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受惠最多
04:43
from the lack of copyright protection in the fashion industry.
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由於時尚產業並無版權保護的關係
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They are notorious for knocking off high-end designs
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他們經常抄襲各大精品品牌的設計
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and selling them at very low prices.
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然後以非常低的售價銷售
04:51
And they've been faced with a lot of lawsuits,
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他們曾面臨許多法律訴訟
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but those lawsuits are usually not won by fashion designers.
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但這些案件都跟服裝設計師無關
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The courts have said over and over again, "You don't need
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法院總不停得重申:
04:59
any more intellectual property protection."
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你們並不需任何額外的版權保護
05:02
When you look at copies like this,
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當你看到像這樣的仿冒品
05:05
you wonder: How do the luxury high-end brands
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你可能會想, 那那些精品名牌
05:07
remain in business?
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該怎麼生存下去呢?
05:09
If you can get it for 200 bucks, why pay a thousand?
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如果可以花200元買到, 誰會願意花1000元去買?
05:12
Well, that's one reason we had a conference here at USC a few years ago.
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事實上,這也是為什麼我們幾年前在U.S.C.這裡舉辦研討會
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We invited Tom Ford to come --
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我們邀請Tom Ford與會
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the conference was called, "Ready to Share:
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此研討會稱作:『 與您分享:
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Fashion and the Ownership of Creativity" --
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時尚與創意擁有權的兩三事』
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and we asked him exactly this question.
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我們很直接的問他這個問題
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Here's what he had to say.
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而這是他的回答
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He had just come off a successful stint as the lead designer at Gucci,
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他那時才剛從古馳光榮地卸下設計總監一職
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in case you didn't know.
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如果你們不知道的話
05:31
Tom Ford: And we found after much research
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經過許多研究
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that -- actually not much research, quite simple research --
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其實沒有太多的研究, 是非常簡單的調查
05:36
that the counterfeit customer was not our customer.
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我們發現那些購買仿冒品的民眾並不是我們的客戶群
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Johanna Blakley: Imagine that.
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請想像一下
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The people on Santee Alley
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在聖提街逛街的人們
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are not the ones who shop at Gucci.
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並不是在古馳店裡消費的人
05:45
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
05:48
This is a very different demographic.
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這是非常截然不同的消費族群
05:52
And, you know, a knock-off is never the same
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而且你知道的, 仿冒品
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as an original high-end design,
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永遠不可能跟真品一樣
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at least in terms of the materials; they're always made of cheaper materials.
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至少在材料的部份. 仿冒品都是用較為廉價的材質所製
06:01
But even sometimes a cheaper version
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但有時平價版本
06:04
can actually have some charming aspects,
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反而有更多的好處
06:06
can breathe a little extra life into a dying trend.
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可以為欲振乏力的時尚圈帶來一點額外的生機
06:10
There's lots of virtues of copying.
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抄襲還有許多的優點
06:12
One that a lot of cultural critics have pointed to
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其中一個是許多文化評論家曾舉出的
06:15
is that we now have
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就是我們現在
06:17
a much broader palette
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擁有較多元的設計款式
06:19
of design choices to choose from than we ever have before,
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可供選擇, 比起從前還要來得多
06:22
and this is mainly because of the fast fashion industry, actually.
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這主要也是因為平價流行產業崛起的原因
06:25
And this is a good thing. We need lots of options.
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這真得很好. 我們需要許多不同的選擇
06:27
Fashion, whether you like it or not,
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時尚, 不管你喜不喜歡
06:29
helps you project who you are to the world.
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都是幫助你向外展現自己的工具
06:33
Because of fast fashion,
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由於平價流行服飾
06:35
global trends actually get established much more quickly than they used to.
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全球流行風潮的形成比以前要來得更為快速
06:38
And this, actually, is good news to trendsetters;
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而這對決定流行的領導人物是件好事
06:41
they want trends to be set
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他們希望能帶起流行
06:43
so that they can move product.
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如此他們才可以將其化為商品販賣
06:46
For fashionistas,
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而對時尚達人來說
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they want to stay ahead of the curve.
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他們想要站在流行的前端
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They don't want to be wearing what everybody else is wearing.
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他們不想穿的跟其他人一樣
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And so, they want to move on to the next trend
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所以他們希望能趕快進入下一個流行裡
06:56
as soon as possible.
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越快越好
06:58
I tell you, there is no rest for the fashionable.
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老實說, 流行界是毫無歇息的
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Every season, these designers have to struggle
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每一季, 那些設計師都得使盡混身解數
07:03
to come up with the new fabulous idea that everybody's going to love.
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想出大眾喜愛的設計
07:06
And this, let me tell you,
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而這,我告訴你
07:08
is very good for the bottom line.
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這對最後結果是非常好的
07:11
Now of course, there's a bunch of effects
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現在當然會有很多影響
07:13
that this culture of copying has
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也就是抄襲文化對創作過程
07:15
on the creative process.
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所產生的影響
07:17
And Stuart Weitzman is a very successful shoe designer.
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Stuart Weitzman是非常成功的女鞋設計師
07:19
He has complained a lot about people copying him,
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他曾多次抱怨他的設計遭人抄襲一事
07:22
but in one interview I read,
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但在一篇訪談中
07:24
he said it has really forced him to up his game.
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他提到, 這其實讓他更加把勁於自己的設計上
07:27
He had to come up with new ideas,
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他得想出新點子
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new things that would be hard to copy.
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新的做法,讓他的設計難以抄襲
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He came up with this Bowden-wedge heel
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他設計出這款包登楔型鞋
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that has to be made out of steel or titanium;
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這款一定得用鋼或鈦來製作
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if you make it from some sort of cheaper material,
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如果你用較為低廉的材料來製作這款鞋型
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it'll actually crack in two.
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是會斷成兩半的
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It forced him to be a little more innovative. (Music)
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這讓他的設計變得更創新
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And that actually reminded me
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而這也讓我想到
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of jazz great, Charlie Parker.
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爵士樂的傳奇人物Charlie Parker
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I don't know if you've heard this anecdote, but I have.
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不知道你們是否有聽過他這段軼事
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He said that one of the reasons he invented bebop
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他說他發明bebop爵士樂的其中一項原因
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was that he was pretty sure
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就是他很確定
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that white musicians wouldn't be able to replicate the sound. (Laughter)
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白人樂手是無法複製出這種聲音的
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He wanted to make it too difficult to copy,
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他想讓它變得難以模仿
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and that's what fashion designers are doing all the time.
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這也是服裝設計師們一直在致力的
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They're trying to put together
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他們試著將
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a signature look, an aesthetic
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屬於自己的經典裝扮與其特有美學
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that reflects who they are.
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來呈現出自己身為設計師的本色
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When people knock it off, everybody knows
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一旦有人抄襲, 大家就會發現
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because they've put that look out on the runway,
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因為他們把一套套的服裝送上伸展台展示
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and it's a coherent aesthetic.
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每一套服裝皆相互呼應連貫
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I love these Gallianos.
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我好愛這些Galliano的作品
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Okay, we'll move on. (Laughter)
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好的, 我們繼續
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This is not unlike the world of comedy.
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這其實跟喜劇界一樣
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I don't know if you know that jokes
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我不知道你們是否知道笑話
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also can't be copyright protected.
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同樣也沒有版權保護
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So when one-liners were really popular,
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所以當某一台詞開始流行起來時
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everybody stole them from one another.
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大家就會開始競相使用
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But now, we have a different kind of comic.
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但現在的喜劇方式較為不同
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They develop a persona,
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他們為其人物發展出特有人格
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a signature style, much like fashion designers.
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一套特有風格, 有點像時裝設計師
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And their jokes,
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而他們的笑話
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much like the fashion designs by a fashion designer,
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就如同設計之於時裝設計師一般
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really only work within that aesthetic.
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得靠獨特的美感才能顯現
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If somebody steals a joke
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例如,如果有人模仿Larry David
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from Larry David, for instance,
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所講的笑話的話
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it's not as funny.
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那就會變得不好笑
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Now, the other thing that fashion designers have done
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現在另一個時裝設計師努力在
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to survive in this culture of copying
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此抄襲文化底下生存的方法
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is they've learned how to copy themselves.
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是他們學到如何模仿自己
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They knock themselves off.
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他們抄襲自己的設計
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They make deals with the fast fashion giants
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與平價流行服裝大廠合作
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and they come up with a way to sell their product
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他們想出新的方式來銷售他們的設計
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to a whole new demographic:
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拓展至一全新不同的消費族群
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the Santee Alley demographic.
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也就是聖提街消費族群
09:14
Now, some fashion designers will say,
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現在有些時裝設計師會表示
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"It's only in the United States that we don't have any respect.
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『只有在美國, 時裝設計未受到重視
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In other countries there is protection
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在其他國家, 都有對時裝設計
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for our artful designs."
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給予保護』
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But if you take a look at the two other biggest markets in the world,
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但如果看一下世界另外兩大市場
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it turns out that the protection that's offered
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他們所提供的保護
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is really ineffectual.
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其實並沒有什麼成效
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In Japan, for instance, which I think is the third largest market,
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例如在日本, 我認為是世界第三大市場
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they have a design law; it protects apparel,
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他們有設計法規來保護服裝的設計
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but the novelty standard is so high,
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但要達到申請專利標準的門檻非常高
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you have to prove that your garment has never existed before,
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你必須能夠證明你的服裝款式未曾發明過
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it's totally unique.
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它必須是獨一無二的
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And that's sort of like
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這有點像是
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the novelty standard for a U.S. patent,
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要申請美國專利的標準
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which fashion designers never get --
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是服裝設計師不可能申請
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rarely get here in the states.
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或難以申請到的
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In the European Union, they went in the other direction.
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在歐盟則是相反
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Very low novelty standard,
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其門檻非常低
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anybody can register anything.
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任何人都可以拿任一東西去申請
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But even though it's the home of the fast fashion industry
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但雖然它是平價流行廠牌的發源地
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and you have a lot of luxury designers there,
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而且擁有許多精品品牌設計師
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they don't register their garments, generally,
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他們通常並不會去為他們的服裝去做申請
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and there's not a lot of litigation.
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也沒有太多的法律訴訟案件
10:09
It turns out it's because the novelty standard is too low.
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結果變成由於其申請門檻太低
10:12
A person can come in and take somebody else's gown,
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任何人可以隨便拿一件服裝
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cut off three inches from the bottom,
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把長度剪短三吋
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go to the E.U. and register it as a new, original design.
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就可以走進歐盟, 然後申請為一全新獨創設計
10:21
So, that does not stop the knock-off artists.
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所以這並無法阻止仿冒商繼續仿冒
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If you look at the registry, actually,
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如果你只仔細看看登記處
10:25
a lot of the registered things in the E.U.
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在歐盟許多已註冊的服裝
10:27
are Nike T-shirts
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像Nike T恤
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that are almost identical to one another.
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幾乎每件都非常相似
10:32
But this has not stopped Diane von Furstenberg.
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但這都無法阻擋Diane von Furstenberg
10:34
She is the head of
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她是美國時裝設計師協會
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the Council of Fashion Designers of America,
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的主席
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and she has told her constituency that
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她曾向她的支持者表示
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she is going to get copyright protection
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她將為時裝設計師
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for fashion designs.
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爭取設計版權保護
10:46
The retailers have kind of quashed this notion though.
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儘管零售業者對此略有微詞
10:48
I don't think the legislation is going anywhere,
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我不認為此條款會順利通過
10:50
because they realized it is so hard
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因為他們了解這是非常困難的
10:53
to tell the difference between a pirated design
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要分辨出這是否為仿冒設計
10:55
and something that's just part of a global trend.
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或是屬於全球流行的一部分
10:58
Who owns a look?
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到底誰擁有這個裝扮?
11:00
That is a very difficult question to answer.
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這是難以回答的問題
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It takes lots of lawyers and lots of court time,
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得需要許多律師在法庭裡商討許久
11:05
and the retailers decided that would be way too expensive.
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而且零售商覺得此舉耗費太大
11:10
You know, it's not just the fashion industry
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你知道的, 這不僅僅只是時尚產業
11:12
that doesn't have copyright protection.
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沒有受到版權保護而已
11:14
There's a bunch of other industries that don't have copyright protection,
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其他還有很多產業同樣也沒有版權保護
11:17
including the food industry.
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包括像是食品業
11:19
You cannot copyright a recipe
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你不能為食譜申請專利
11:21
because it's a set of instructions, it's fact,
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因為那是一連串的指示步驟. 是具體事實
11:24
and you cannot copyright the look and feel
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你也不能為菜餚的外觀或味道註冊版權
11:26
of even the most unique dish.
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就算是最獨一無二的菜餚也是如此
11:29
Same with automobiles.
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汽車也是同樣道理
11:31
It doesn't matter how wacky they look or how cool they look,
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不管汽車的外型是多奇形怪狀, 多麼地酷炫
11:34
you cannot copyright the sculptural design.
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你也不能為雕塑品申請專利
11:37
It's a utilitarian article, that's why.
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因為其設計太過實用了
11:40
Same with furniture,
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家具也是如此
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it's too utilitarian.
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太過實用
11:45
Magic tricks, I think they're instructions, sort of like recipes:
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魔術伎倆, 我想這也是指示步驟, 有點像食譜
11:48
no copyright protection.
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同樣也沒有版權保護
11:50
Hairdos, no copyright protection.
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髮型, 沒有版權保護
11:52
Open source software, these guys decided
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自由軟體, 開發人員決定
11:54
they didn't want copyright protection.
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他們並不需要版權的保護
11:56
They thought it'd be more innovative without it.
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他們覺得沒有版權的規範,比較能發揮創意
11:59
It's really hard to get copyright for databases.
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也很難為資料庫以版權規範來保護
12:02
Tattoo artists, they don't want it; it's not cool.
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刺青藝術家也不想要, 那可不酷
12:05
They share their designs.
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他們與大家分享他們的設計
12:08
Jokes, no copyright protection.
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笑話, 沒有版權保護
12:10
Fireworks displays,
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煙火圖案
12:12
the rules of games,
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遊戲規則
12:14
the smell of perfume: no.
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香水的味道, 沒有
12:17
And some of these industries may seem
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以上這些產業
12:19
sort of marginal to you,
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有些看起來似乎比較非主流
12:21
but these are the gross sales
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但這是低I.P.產業的
12:24
for low I.P. industries,
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銷售總額
12:26
industries with very little copyright protection,
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也就是未受版權保護的產業
12:28
and there's the gross sales of
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而這是影片與書籍的
12:30
films and books.
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銷售總額
12:32
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
12:35
It ain't pretty.
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這很殘酷
12:37
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
12:39
So you talk to people in the fashion industry
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所以若你跟時尚產業裡的人聊
12:41
and they're like, "Shhh!
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他們會說:噓!
12:43
Don't tell anybody
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別告訴其他人
12:45
we can actually steal from each other's designs.
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我們可以互相抄襲彼此的設計
12:47
It's embarrassing."
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這很難為情
12:49
But you know what? It's revolutionary,
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但你們知道嗎, 這其實是場革新
12:51
and it's a model that a lot of other industries --
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許多其他產業都可以以此為借鏡
12:54
like the ones we just saw with the really small bars --
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像那些我們剛看到業績較為不佳的產業
12:57
they might have to think about this.
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他們可能得好好地考慮
12:59
Because right now, those industries with a lot of copyright protection
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因為現在許多產業都在執行
13:02
are operating in an atmosphere
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保護其商品版權
13:04
where it's as if they don't have any protection,
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好像他們沒有其他的規範可以保護自己的產業一樣
13:07
and they don't know what to do.
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他們不知道該怎麼做
13:11
When I found out that there are a whole bunch of industries
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當我發現有這麼多產業
13:14
that didn't have copyright protection,
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是沒有版權保護的時候
13:16
I thought, "What exactly is the underlying logic?
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我心想, 其中到底有什麼玄機?
13:19
I want a picture." And the lawyers do not provide a picture,
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我要一張圖表, 但律師沒辦法提供
13:22
so I made one.
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所以我自己做了一張
13:24
These are the two main
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這裡是版權法裡
13:27
sort of binary oppositions within the logic of copyright law.
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主要兩個對立二進位論點
13:30
It is more complex than this, but this will do.
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實際上更為複雜, 但用這張圖表就可以了
13:33
First: Is something an artistic object?
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首先,得決定該物件是否具有藝術價值
13:36
Then it deserves protection.
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再決定給予其保護
13:38
Is it a utilitarian object?
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若是實用物件
13:40
Then no, it does not deserve protection.
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就不行, 不能給予版權保護
13:42
This is a difficult, unstable binary.
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這是個困難且不穩定的論述
13:45
The other one is: Is it an idea?
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另一個是, 若該物件為一個想法
13:48
Is it something that needs to
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那這是否需要
13:50
freely circulate in a free society?
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在自由的社會裡給予自由地傳播呢?
13:52
No protection.
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無法給予保護
13:54
Or is it a physically fixed
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或者這是將想法
13:56
expression of an idea:
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具體成形
13:58
something that somebody made
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也就是某人製作出某物
14:00
and they deserve to own it for a while and make money from it?
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理所當然他們就擁有該物品, 並以此賺取利益
14:03
The problem is that digital technology
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但問題是數位科技
14:05
has completely subverted the logic
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已經完全顛覆物體實體存在
14:07
of this physically fixed, expression
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的邏輯論述
14:09
versus idea concept.
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相對於概念式的想法
14:12
Nowadays,
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現在
14:14
we don't really recognize a book
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我們不再以擺放在櫃子裡
14:16
as something that sits on our shelf
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來認得一本書
14:18
or music as something that is
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或是可以拿在手上
14:20
a physical object that we can hold.
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的一張實體唱片
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It's a digital file.
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現在都是數位版
14:24
It is barely tethered to any sort of
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在我們的認知裡
14:26
physical reality in our minds.
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已經很難將這些以實體方式來做連結
14:28
And these things, because we can copy and transmit them so easily,
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因為我們可以很容易的複製及傳送這些物件
14:31
actually circulate within our culture
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所以這些東西其實在我們的文化裡
14:34
a lot more like ideas
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散播的形式越來越來概念化
14:36
than like physically instantiated objects.
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而不像實體物品
14:39
Now, the conceptual issues are truly profound
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現在, 概念性議題是非常深遠的
14:42
when you talk about creativity
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當你談論到創意
14:44
and ownership
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與擁有權
14:46
and, let me tell you, we don't want to leave this just to lawyers to figure out.
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我告訴你們, 我們不想把這議題只留給律師去解決
14:49
They're smart.
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他們很聰明沒錯
14:51
I'm with one. He's my boyfriend, he's okay.
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我身邊就有一個, 是我男友, 他還行
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He's smart, he's smart.
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他很聰明
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But you want an interdisciplinary team of people
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但你會希望有一個有組織的團體
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hashing this out,
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來歸納出答案
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trying to figure out: What is the kind of ownership model,
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試著想出哪種方式能作為擁有權的最佳模式
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in a digital world,
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在這數位世界裡
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that's going to lead to the most innovation?
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將帶領人們走向最創新的方向
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And my suggestion is that
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而我的建議是
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fashion might be a really good place
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時尚產業也許是個可以好好參考
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to start looking for a model
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為未來創意產業
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for creative industries in the future.
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尋找出一套良好模式的地方
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If you want more information about this research project,
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如果你們想知道更多關於此研究計畫的資訊
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please visit our website: it's ReadyToShare.org.
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請上我們的官方網站ReadyToShare.org
15:23
And I really want to thank Veronica Jauriqui
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我要非常謝謝Veronica Jauriqui
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for making this very fashionable presentation.
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製作這份如此時髦的投影片
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Thank you so much. (Applause)
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謝謝大家
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