Mac Barnett: Why a good book is a secret door

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譯者: Fred Lee 審譯者: Regina Chu
00:12
Hi everybody. So my name is Mac.
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大家好。我是麥克。
00:14
My job is that I lie to children,
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我的工作是「哄」小孩,
00:18
but they're honest lies.
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但那都是善意的謊言。
00:20
I write children's books,
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我是童書作家,
00:22
and there's a quote from Pablo Picasso,
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巴勃羅‧畢卡索曾說過:
00:25
"We all know that Art is not truth.
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「我們都知道藝術是虛虛實實的。
00:28
Art is a lie that makes us realize truth
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藝術是讓我們感悟真實的謊言
00:32
or at least the truth that is given us to understand.
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或至少是讓我們領悟真實的事實。
00:35
The artist must know the manner whereby
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藝術家必須瞭解這種方式
00:37
to convince others of the truthfulness of his lies."
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讓人們明白其謊言的真意。」
00:42
I first heard this when I was a kid,
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第一次聽說這句話時還很小,
00:44
and I loved it,
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覺得超愛這句話,
00:46
but I had no idea what it meant.
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儘管我一點都不了解其藴意。
00:49
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:50
So I thought, you know what, it's what I'm here
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所以,我想,大家肯定猜到了, 今天在這裡
00:52
to talk to you today about, though,
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要與諸位分享的話題,
00:54
truth and lies, fiction and reality.
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也就是真實與謊言,虛幻與現實。
00:56
So how could I untangle
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那麼,我該從何入手
00:58
this knotted bunch of sentences?
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來解析這句盤根錯節的句子呢?
01:01
And I said, I've got PowerPoint. Let's do a Venn diagram.
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我準備了簡報, 和大家一起做個文氏圖。
01:04
["Truth. Lies."] (Laughter)
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[真實、謊言。] (笑聲)
01:07
So there it is, right there, boom.
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瞧這裡,變。
01:08
We've got truth and lies
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這裡有真實與謊言
01:10
and then there's this little space,
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和一小片空間,
01:11
the edge, in the middle.
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邊緣,靠中間的位置。
01:13
That liminal space, that's art.
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這片非常有限的空間,就是藝術。
01:19
All right. Venn diagram. (Laughter) (Applause)
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好了。這就是文氏圖。 (笑聲)(掌聲)
01:24
But that's actually not very helpful either.
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但其實也不太有用喔。
01:27
The thing that made me understand
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讓我真正明白這句話
01:32
that quote and really kind of what art,
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而且理解什麼是藝術,
01:34
at least the art of fiction, was,
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至少理解虛幻藝術的事情,
01:37
was working with kids.
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是和孩子們互動的時候。
01:38
I used to be a summer camp counselor.
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我以前當過夏令營的輔導大哥哥。
01:40
I would do it on my summers off from college,
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在大學暑期會做一些這樣的工作,
01:43
and I loved it.
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而且非常熱愛。
01:46
It was a sports summer camp
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記得有一次運動主題的夏令營
01:48
for four- to six-year-olds.
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孩子們的年齡在 4-6 歲之間。
01:49
I was in charge of the four-year-olds,
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當時我是 4 歲孩子的領隊,
01:51
which is good, because
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很不錯,因為
01:53
four-year-olds can't play sports, and neither can I.
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4 歲的小孩還不會運動, 正好我也不擅長。
01:56
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:58
I play sports at a four-year-old level,
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我就是玩玩 4 歲小孩的活動,
02:01
so what would happen is the kids would
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他們的活動大不了就是
02:04
dribble around some cones, and then got hot,
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繞著一些交通錐跑跑, 要是覺得熱了,
02:06
and then they would go sit underneath the tree
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就去大樹下面乘乘涼,
02:08
where I was already sitting — (Laughter) —
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而我老早就坐那等他們了。 (笑聲)
02:11
and I would just make up stories and tell them to them
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我會編一些故事講給他們聽,
02:14
and I would tell them stories about my life.
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給他們講一些我生活的故事。
02:16
I would tell them about how, on the weekends,
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比如,我會告訴他們,週末時
02:17
I would go home and I would spy for the Queen of England.
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我會回家,然後去做英國女王的特工。
02:21
And soon, other kids
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不一會兒
02:24
who weren't even in my group of kids,
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其它組的孩子們,
02:26
they would come up to me, and they would say,
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也會不約而來,他們會問:
02:27
"You're Mac Barnett, right?
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「你就是麥克‧巴內特吧?
02:29
You're the guy who spies for the Queen of England."
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你就是那個替英國女王做特工的。」
02:32
And I had been waiting my whole life for strangers
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我早就盼望有陌生人
02:35
to come up and ask me that question.
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向我問這樣的問題了。
02:38
In my fantasy, they were svelte Russian women,
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想像中,應該是些 身材苗條的俄羅斯姑娘,
02:40
but, you know, four-year-olds —
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但 4 歲小孩也行啦,
02:41
you take what you can get in Berkeley, California.
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在加州柏克萊這地方就將就一點。
02:46
And I realized that the stories that I was telling
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我意識到我所講的故事
02:50
were real in this way that was familiar to me
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從我所熟悉的角度來看是真實的
02:54
and really exciting.
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而且是令人興奮的。
02:55
I think the pinnacle of this for me — I'll never forget this —
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我想這整件事最經典的, 我一輩子忘不了,
02:57
there was this little girl named Riley. She was tiny,
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有位名叫萊莉的小女孩, 個子很小,
03:00
and she used to always take out her lunch every day
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她每天總喜歡將午餐取出來
03:03
and she would throw out her fruit.
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然後把水果扔掉。
03:05
She would just take her fruit,
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她每次都把水果,
03:06
her mom packed her a melon every day,
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她媽媽每天給她備一個甜瓜,
03:08
and she would just throw it in the ivy
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她都把瓜扔到常春藤裡,
03:09
and then she would eat fruit snacks
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然後開始吃水果糖
03:12
and pudding cups, and I was like, "Riley,
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和布丁果凍,我告訴她:
「萊莉,這樣做不對啊,你得吃水果。」
03:14
you can't do that, you have to eat the fruit."
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03:17
And she was like, "Why?"
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她好奇地問道:「為什麼?」
03:19
And I was like, "Well, when you throw the fruit in the ivy,
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我回答:「你把水果扔進長春藤裡,
03:21
pretty soon, it's going to be overgrown with melons,"
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不久,就會到處長滿甜瓜。」
03:25
which is why I think I ended up
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這也正是我後來寫童書
03:27
telling stories to children and not being a nutritionist for children.
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而不去做兒童營養學家的原因。
03:32
And so Riley was like, "That will never happen.
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萊莉回答道:「這不可能。
03:34
That's not going to happen."
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哪有這樣的事情。」
03:35
And so, on the last day of camp,
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夏令營的最後一天,
03:38
I got up early and I got a big cantaloupe
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我起得很早,在商店
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from the grocery store
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買了個大哈密瓜
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and I hid it in the ivy,
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悄悄放在常春藤中。
03:45
and then at lunchtime, I was like,
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到了午餐時間,我說:
03:46
"Riley, why don't you go over there and see what you've done."
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「萊莉,去那邊瞧瞧, 看你做了什麼。」
03:49
And — (Laughter) —
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然後...(笑聲)
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she went trudging through the ivy, and then her eyes
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她蹣跚地穿過常春藤,
眼睛瞪得大大的,
03:55
just got so wide, and she pointed out this melon
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指著那個比她腦袋還大的哈密瓜,
03:57
that was bigger than her head,
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and then all the kids ran over there and rushed around her,
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這時,所有的小孩都蜂擁過去, 擁簇在萊莉周圍,
04:02
and one of the kids was like, "Hey,
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其中一位小孩說:「咦,
04:04
why is there a sticker on this?"
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為什麼甜瓜上會有張標籤貼紙呢?」
04:06
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:09
And I was like, "That is also why I say
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這時我說:「不是告訴你們
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do not throw your stickers in the ivy.
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不要往常春藤裡扔貼紙嗎?
04:14
Put them in the trash can. It ruins nature when you do this."
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應將它們扔進垃圾筒。 到處亂扔有害環境。」
04:20
And Riley carried that melon around with her all day,
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那天,萊莉將她的甜瓜抱了一整天,
04:25
and she was so proud.
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她覺得非常自豪。
04:27
And Riley knew she didn't grow a melon in seven days,
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萊莉知道她並沒有 在 7 天內種出甜瓜,
04:32
but she also knew that she did,
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但同時她知道自己確實又做到了,
04:35
and it's a weird place,
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這就是奇怪的地方,
04:37
but it's not just a place that kids can get to.
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不是只有孩子們可以到達,
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It's anything. Art can get us to that place.
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任何事情都可以。 藝術能夠讓我們到達此處。
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She was right in that place in the middle,
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那就是中間的那個位置,
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that place which you could call art or fiction.
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可以稱之為藝術或小說。
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I'm going to call it wonder.
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我將其稱之為奇蹟。
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It's what Coleridge called the willing suspension of disbelief
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英國湖畔詩人柯勒律治 將其稱之為「自願終止懷疑」
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or poetic faith,
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或詩意的信仰,
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for those moments where a story, no matter how strange,
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在傾聽故事的瞬間, 無論故事多麼奇怪,
04:58
has some semblance of the truth,
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它們都與真實的意境有神似之處,
05:00
and then you're able to believe it.
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能夠讓你相信故事中發生的事情。
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It's not just kids who can get there.
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不僅僅孩子們能夠做到。
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Adults can too, and we get there when we read.
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成人也可以, 我們在閱讀時就能做到。
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It's why in two days, people will be
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這正是為何在兩天內
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descending on Dublin to take the walking tour
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人們飛往都柏林 參加布魯姆日徒步導覽
05:12
of Bloomsday and see everything that happened in "Ulysses,"
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並感受《尤利西斯》中 所發生的每個故事。
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even though none of that happened.
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05:20
Or people go to London and they visit Baker Street
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或者就像人們去倫敦, 他們會到訪貝克街
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to see Sherlock Holmes' apartment,
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要去看看福爾摩斯的寓所一樣,
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even though 221B is just a number that was painted
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儘管 221B 僅僅是 漆塗在建築物上的編號,
05:25
on a building that never actually had that address.
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並非是該建築物的實際地址。
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We know these characters aren't real,
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我們知道這些人物都是虛擬的,
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but we have real feelings about them,
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但我們卻能真實感受到 這些人物的存在,
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and we're able to do that.
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我們能夠做到這一點。
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We know these characters aren't real,
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我們知道這些人物並非真實存在,
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and yet we also know that they are.
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但我們能感受到他們的存在。
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Kids can get there a lot more easily than adults can,
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兒童比成年人更容易 感受到虛擬人物的存在,
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and that's why I love writing for kids.
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這正是我喜歡寫童書的原因。
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I think kids are the best audience
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我認為兒童是 嚴肅文學小說的忠實讀者。
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for serious literary fiction.
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05:51
When I was a kid,
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孩童時,
我沉迷於神秘之門這類小說,
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I was obsessed with secret door novels,
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things like "Narnia,"
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比如《納尼亞傳奇》,
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where you would open a wardrobe and go through to a magical land.
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打開一扇衣櫥,就能進入魔幻世界。
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And I was convinced that secret doors really did exist
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當時我確信真的存在神秘之門,
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and I would look for them and try to go through them.
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我四處尋找並企圖穿越神秘之門。
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I wanted to live and cross over into that fictional world, which is —
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我想要穿越到科幻世界, 並在那裡生活,
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I would always just open people's closet doors. (Laughter)
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所以我總是去開別人的衣櫥門。 (笑聲)
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I would just go through my mom's boyfriend's closet,
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我恰巧打開了我母親男朋友的衣櫥,
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and there was not a secret magical land there.
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衣櫥裡並沒有發現神秘的魔幻世界,
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There was some other weird stuff that I think my mom should know about.
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卻發現了些怪異的東西, 我想我母親應該要知道。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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And I was happy to tell her all about it.
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我高興地告訴她所有這些事。
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After college, my first job was working
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大學畢業後,我的第一份工作
是在一扇神秘之門後面工作。
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behind one of these secret doors.
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06:38
This is a place called 826 Valencia.
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這個地方叫做「瓦倫西亞 826 號」。
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It's at 826 Valencia Street
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位於瓦倫西亞大街 826 號,
06:42
in the Mission in San Francisco,
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就在舊金山米遜區。
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and when I worked there, there was a publishing company
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我在那裡工作時, 有一家總部設在此處
06:46
headquartered there called McSweeney's,
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名為麥斯威尼的出版公司,
06:49
a nonprofit writing center called 826 Valencia,
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一個非盈利性的寫作中心, 名為瓦倫西亞 826 號,
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but then the front of it
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但寫作中心的前面
06:54
was a strange shop.
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卻有一家奇怪的商店。
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You see, this place was zoned retail,
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這地方是零售店區,
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and in San Francisco, they were not going to give us a variance,
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在舊金山,這類零售店大同小異,
07:00
and so the writer who founded it, a writer named Dave Eggers,
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因此該店創始人兼作家大維‧艾格斯
07:03
to come into compliance with code, he said, "Fine,
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賦予了這家店特色,他說,
「好吧,我正好把這家店 改建成一家海盜用品店。」
07:06
I'm just going to build a pirate supply store."
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And that's what he did. (Laughter)
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他真的改建成了海盜用品店。(笑聲)
07:13
And it's beautiful. It's all wood.
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商店很漂亮,全實木。
07:15
There's drawers you can pull out and get citrus
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有些抽屜,你可以打開, 並在抽屜裡找到柑橘,
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so you don't get scurvy.
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這樣你就不會得壞血病。
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They have eyepatches in lots of colors,
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店裡出售各種顏色的眼罩,
07:22
because when it's springtime, pirates want to go wild.
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因為春天的時候,海盜都會想瘋一下。
07:25
You don't know. Black is boring. Pastel.
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誰知道。黑色很無趣。要柔和色系的。
07:29
Or eyes, also in lots of colors,
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或者出售各種顏色的眼睛,
07:31
just glass eyes, depending on how you want
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都是玻璃而已啦, 或如果你想入戲一點也可以。
07:33
to deal with that situation.
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07:37
And the store, strangely,
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奇怪的是,
07:40
people came to them and bought things,
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居然有人光顧這家商店,並購買物品,
07:44
and they ended up paying the rent
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到後來,盈餘居然可以為
07:46
for our tutoring center, which was behind it,
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商店後面的寫作中心支付租金。
07:48
but to me, more important was the fact
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但對我來說,更重要的是
07:51
that I think the quality of work you do,
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所從事工作的性質,
07:53
kids would come and get instruction in writing,
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孩子們能夠從這裡獲得寫作指導,
07:56
and when you have to walk this weird, liminal, fictional space like this to go do your writing,
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當你寫作前得先經過 這怪異中介的虛構空間時,
08:00
it's going to affect the kind of work that you make.
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將對你的作品產生影響。
08:04
It's a secret door that you can walk through.
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這是一扇能夠穿越的神秘之門。
08:06
So I ran the 826 in Los Angeles,
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後來我到洛杉磯成立 826 號分店,
08:09
and it was my job to build the store down there.
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我需要在那裡創立一家門店。
08:12
So we have The Echo Park Time Travel Mart.
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所以就有了 「回聲公園時光旅行商店」。
08:16
That's our motto: "Whenever you are, we're already then."
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我們的座右銘是: 「不管什麼時代我們都去過了。」
08:19
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:23
And it's on Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles.
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這家店位於洛杉磯日落大道。
08:27
Our friendly staff is ready to help you.
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我們和藹可親的店員已經在等您了。
08:29
They're from all eras,
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店員們來自各個時代,
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including just the 1980s, that guy on the end,
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比如,來自 1980 年代的店員, 圖中最左側的那位,
08:35
he's from the very recent past.
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這位員工所處時代距離現在最近。
08:37
There's our Employees of the Month,
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我們的每月最佳員工
08:39
including Genghis Khan, Charles Dickens.
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有成吉思汗、查爾斯‧狄更斯等。
08:42
Some great people have come up through our ranks.
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一些偉人出現在我們的店員中。
08:45
This is our kind of pharmacy section.
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這是我們的藥品區域。
08:47
We have some patent medicines,
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我們有些專利藥品,
08:49
Canopic jars for your organs,
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用於存儲你器官的卡諾卜罈罐,
08:51
communist soap that says,
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還有共產主義肥皂,上面寫:
08:53
"This is your soap for the year." (Laughter)
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「今年你只配發到這一塊肥皂。」 (笑聲)
08:57
Our slushy machine broke
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開張之夜,
08:59
on the opening night and we didn't know what to do.
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我們的冰沙機出現故障, 我們當時不知所措。
09:02
Our architect was covered in red syrup.
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我們的建築師渾身沾滿 冰沙的紅糖水。
09:04
It looked like he had just murdered somebody,
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看起來就像剛殺了人,
09:07
which it was not out of the question
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對這位特別的建築師來說,
09:08
for this particular architect,
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這不是不可能,
09:11
and we didn't know what to do.
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當時我們真不知道如何是好。
09:12
It was going to be the highlight of our store.
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這都快成為我們店的頭等大事了。
09:13
So we just put that sign on it that said,
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於是我們在機器上貼上標示:
09:14
"Out of order. Come back yesterday." (Laughter)
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「功能紊亂,請昨天再光顧。」 (笑聲)
09:19
And that ended up being a better joke than slushies,
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這笑話後來比冰沙機本身還好笑,
09:21
so we just left it there forever.
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所以我們就把標示一直貼著。
09:25
Mammoth Chunks. These things weigh, like, seven pounds each.
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我們出售猛獁象厚片。 每罐 7 磅重。
09:29
Barbarian repellent. It's full of salad
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還有野人驅蟲劑, 瓶內裝滿了沙拉和百花香,
09:32
and potpourri — things that barbarians hate.
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野人最討厭這類東西。
09:36
Dead languages.
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還賣死掉的語言。
09:38
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:41
Leeches, nature's tiny doctors.
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店內還售有水蛭, 大自然的微小醫生。
09:44
And Viking Odorant, which comes in lots of great scents:
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還有海盜香氛,有很多種刺鼻味道:
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toenails, sweat and rotten vegetables, pyre ash.
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腳趾甲、汗水、 腐爛的蔬菜,以及柴堆灰。
09:51
Because we believe that Axe Body Spray
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因為我們認為
你應該在戰場上去找斧牌香體噴霧,
09:53
is something that you should only find on the battlefield,
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09:55
not under your arms. (Laughter)
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而不是在你的腋下去找。 (笑聲)
09:59
And these are robot emotion chips,
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我們還出售機器人情感晶片,
10:01
so robots can feel love or fear.
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有了晶片,機器人就能 感受到愛或恐懼。
10:03
Our biggest seller is Schadenfreude,
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店內最暢銷產品是「幸災樂禍」,
10:05
which we did not expect.
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這是我們沒有想到的。
10:06
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:07
We did not think that was going to happen.
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我們從未想過會如此暢銷。
10:10
But there's a nonprofit behind it,
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但這家店後面的寫作中心 是非盈利性質的,
10:12
and kids go through a door that says "Employees Only"
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孩子們進入門上貼有 「非員工勿進」標示的寫作中心,
10:14
and they end up in this space
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然後就在這裡
10:15
where they do homework and write stories
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做功課、編故事、製作電影,
10:17
and make films and this is a book release party
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照片上的是新書發佈會,
10:20
where kids will read.
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孩子們會在這裡朗讀。
10:21
There's a quarterly that's published
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這裡每季度都要發行
10:23
with just writing that's done by the kids
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孩子們利用每天放學後的時間
10:25
who come every day after school,
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在這裡完成的寫作作品,
10:26
and we have release parties
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我們還舉行發佈會,
10:27
and they eat cake and read for their parents
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孩子們一邊吃著蛋糕, 一邊把作品讀給父母聽,
10:30
and drink milk out of champagne glasses.
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還用香檳酒杯喝牛奶。
10:33
And it's a very special space,
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這裡真的是一個很特別的地方,
10:36
because it's this weird space in the front.
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完全是因為前面的那家怪異商店。
10:39
The joke isn't a joke.
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笑話不再是笑話。
10:43
You can't find the seams on the fiction,
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小說裡看不出拼接的痕跡,
10:45
and I love that. It's this little bit of fiction
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我超愛這點。正是這種小小說
10:48
that's colonized the real world.
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俘獲了現實世界。
10:51
I see it as kind of a book in three dimensions.
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我覺得它有點像三維立體書。
10:55
There's a term called metafiction,
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有個詞叫「元小說」,
10:58
and that's just stories about stories,
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即講述小說的小說,
11:02
and meta's having a moment now.
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現在「元」的概念非常熱門。
11:03
Its last big moment was probably in the 1960s
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上次流行的時候可能是 1960 年代,
11:05
with novelists like John Barth and William Gaddis,
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以小說家約翰‧巴思 和威廉‧加迪斯為代表,
11:08
but it's been around.
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這個技法現在還有人在用。
11:09
It's almost as old as storytelling itself.
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它的歷史幾乎和講故事一樣久遠。
11:13
And one metafictive technique
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其中有一個元小說技巧
11:15
is breaking the fourth wall. Right?
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是打破第 4 堵牆。對吧?
11:17
It's when an actor will turn to the audience
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舉個例子,演員面向觀眾,
11:20
and say, "I am an actor,
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說道:「我是個演員,
11:21
these are just rafters."
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他們只是些椽木。」
11:24
And even that supposedly honest moment,
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即使是這種看似誠實的介紹,
11:26
I would argue, is in service of the lie,
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在我看來,也是為了揭露謊言,
11:28
but it's supposed to foreground the artificiality
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使小說人為的虛構性
11:31
of the fiction.
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更加突出。
11:33
For me, I kind of prefer the opposite.
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對我而言,我喜歡反其道而行之。
11:35
If I'm going to break down the fourth wall,
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如果我要拆除第 4 堵牆,
11:37
I want fiction to escape
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我希望小說逃離
11:39
and come into the real world.
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進入現實世界。
11:41
I want a book to be a secret door that opens
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我希望書籍能成為一扇秘密之門,
開啟故事王國,再進入現實世界。
11:46
and lets the stories out into reality.
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11:49
And so I try to do this in my books.
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寫自己的書時我一直努力這樣做。
11:52
And here's just one example.
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舉個簡單的例子。
11:53
This is the first book that I ever made.
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這是我寫的第一本書。
11:55
It's called "Billy Twitters and his Blue Whale Problem."
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書名叫《比利推特和他的藍鯨問題》。
11:58
And it's about a kid who gets a blue whale as a pet
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故事講述一個小孩, 養了一條藍鯨當寵物,
12:00
but it's a punishment
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後果可想而知,
12:02
and it ruins his life.
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毀了他整個人生。
12:04
So it's delivered overnight by FedUp.
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所以這隻藍鯨以肥死快遞送到。
12:07
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
12:10
And he has to take it to school with him.
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他還得帶藍鯨去學校。
12:12
He lives in San Francisco —
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他住在舊金山,
12:13
very tough city to own a blue whale in.
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這個城市能養條藍鯨很不容易。
12:15
A lot of hills, real estate is at a premium.
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那裡山多,房價高。
12:20
This market's crazy, everybody.
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市場簡直不可理喻,各位。
12:22
But underneath the jacket is this case,
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書的封套下面是這個盒子,
12:26
and that's the cover underneath the book, the jacket,
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那是書下面的封面,封套,
12:30
and there's an ad
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上面是一則廣告,
12:32
that offers a free 30-day risk-free trial
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30 天免費試養藍鯨,
12:35
for a blue whale.
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當然沒有任何危險。
12:37
And you can just send in a self-addressed stamped envelope
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讀者只需寄來一個含郵資信封, 寫上自己的姓名和地址,
12:40
and we'll send you a whale.
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我們將給您寄去一條藍鯨。
12:44
And kids do write in.
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還真有孩子寫信過來。
12:48
So here's a letter. It says, "Dear people,
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這是其中的一封。 上面說道:「敬啟者,
12:52
I bet you 10 bucks you won't send me a blue whale.
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我賭 10 美元, 你們肯定不會給我寄藍鯨。
12:55
Eliot Gannon (age 6)."
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艾略特‧甘農(6 歲)。」
12:57
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑聲)(掌聲)
13:02
So what Eliot and the other kids
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艾略特和其他寫信給我們的孩子
13:04
who send these in get back
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收到的是
13:07
is a letter in very small print from a Norwegian law firm —
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一封小號字體打印的信, 由挪威一家法律事務所寄出。
13:10
(Laughter) —
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(笑聲)
13:14
that says that due to a change in customs laws,
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信上說,由於海關法修訂後,
13:17
their whale has been held up in Sognefjord,
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他們的藍鯨滯留在松恩峽灣,
13:19
which is a very lovely fjord,
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挪威最美麗的峽灣之一。
13:21
and then it just kind of talks about Sognefjord
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信中接著聊了一會松恩峽灣
13:22
and Norwegian food for a little while. It digresses.
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和挪威的美食。律師也離題了。
13:25
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:28
But it finishes off by saying that
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信最後說道:
13:30
your whale would love to hear from you.
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「藍鯨期待收到你的回信。
13:33
He's got a phone number,
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他有電話號碼,
13:35
and you can call and leave him a message.
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歡迎你來電留言。」
13:39
And when you call and leave him a message,
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當孩子們真的來電留言時,
13:42
you just, on the outgoing message,
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電話這頭的錄音
13:44
it's just whale sounds and then a beep,
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是鯨的聲音,然後是「嗶」的一聲,
13:49
which actually sounds a lot like a whale sound.
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確實很像鯨的聲音。
13:52
And they get a picture of their whale too.
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他們還收到一張藍鯨的照片。
13:54
So this is Randolph,
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照片裡是倫道夫,
13:57
and Randolph belongs to a kid named Nico
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倫道夫屬於一位叫尼科的小朋友,
14:00
who was one of the first kids to ever call in,
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他也是第一位打進電話的小讀者,
14:05
and I'll play you some of Nico's message.
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現在我給大家放一些尼科的留言。
14:07
This is the first message I ever got from Nico.
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這是我收到尼科的第一條留言。
14:11
(Audio) Nico: Hello, this is Nico.
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(錄音)尼科:你好!我是尼科。
14:13
I am your owner, Randolph. Hello.
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我是你的主人,倫道夫。你好啊。
14:17
So this is the first time I can ever talk to you,
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嗯,這是我第一次和你聊天,
14:21
and I might talk to you soon another day. Bye.
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呃,改天我再找你聊了。拜。
14:27
Mac Barnett: So Nico called back, like, an hour later.
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馬克‧巴內特:然後呢, 大概過了一個小時尼科又打過來。
14:30
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
14:32
And here's another one of Nico's messages.
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這是尼科的另一條留言。
14:36
(Audio) Nico: Hello, Randolph, this is Nico.
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(錄音)尼科:你好, 倫道夫,我是尼科。
14:39
I haven't talked to you for a long time,
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好久沒和你聊天了,
14:44
but I talked to you on Saturday or Sunday,
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我週六還是週日找你聊過吧,
14:49
yeah, Saturday or Sunday,
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沒錯,週六或週日,
14:51
so now I'm calling you again
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所以我才又給你打電話了,
14:54
to say hello and I wonder what you're doing right now,
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你好嗎,我想知道你現在幹嘛呀。
14:59
and I'm going to probably call you again
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我大概會在明天或者今天
15:02
tomorrow or today,
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再給你打電話。
15:04
so I'll talk to you later. Bye.
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到時我再跟你聊咯。拜。
15:09
MB: So he did, he called back that day again.
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麥克:果然,他當天又打過來了。
15:13
He's left over 25 messages for Randolph
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他一共給倫道夫錄了25 條留言,
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over four years.
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持續四年的時間。
15:20
You find out all about him
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你會非常了解他
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and the grandma that he loves
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和他喜愛的奶奶,
15:23
and the grandma that he likes a little bit less —
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他外婆呢,他比較不喜歡。
15:26
(Laughter) —
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(笑聲)
15:28
and the crossword puzzles that he does,
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還有,知道他做的填字遊戲。
15:30
and this is — I'll play you one more message from Nico.
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讓我們聽聽另一則尼科的留言。
15:34
This is the Christmas message from Nico.
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這是尼科的聖誕留言。
15:37
[Beep] (Audio) Nico: Hello, Randolph,
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[嗶](錄音)尼科:你好,倫道夫,
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sorry I haven't talked to you in a long time.
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對不起,我好久沒有和你聊天了。
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It's just that I've been so busy
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主要是我一直很忙,
15:46
because school started,
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因為開學了,
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as you might not know, probably,
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你可能不明白,也許吧,
15:51
since you're a whale, you don't know,
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畢竟你是鯨魚,自然不知道了。
15:55
and I'm calling you to just say,
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我打電話給你,是想說,
16:00
to wish you a merry Christmas.
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想祝你聖誕快樂。
16:04
So have a nice Christmas,
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聖誕快樂啊,
16:08
and bye-bye, Randolph. Goodbye.
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拜拜,倫道夫。拜拜。
16:15
MB: I actually got Nico,
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麥克:我實際上發現尼科
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I hadn't heard from in 18 months,
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已經 18 個月沒有捎來消息。
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and he just left a message two days ago.
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不過就在兩天前,他留言了。
16:24
His voice is completely different,
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他的聲音變化很大,
16:26
but he put his babysitter on the phone,
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他也讓保姆講電話,
16:30
and she was very nice to Randolph as well.
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她對倫道夫也很好。
16:34
But Nico's the best reader I could hope for.
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實際上,我覺得尼科是最好的讀者。
16:38
I would want anyone I was writing for
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我希望我的每位讀者
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to be in that place emotionally
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都能用心感受
16:44
with the things that I create.
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我創造的東西。
16:46
I feel lucky. Kids like Nico are the best readers,
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我覺得很幸運。 像尼科這樣的小朋友是最好的讀者,
16:50
and they deserve the best stories we can give them.
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他們值得我們給他們創作最好的故事。
16:53
Thank you very much.
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謝謝各位。
16:56
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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