Maurizio Seracini: The secret lives of paintings

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Thu-Huong Ha
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In 1975, I met in Florence a professor, Carlo Pedretti,
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1975年,我在佛羅倫斯見到了 卡洛佩德瑞提教授
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my former professor of art history, and today
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他曾經是我的藝術史教授,而今
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a world-renowned scholar of Leonardo da Vinci.
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他是以專研達文西聞名於世的學者
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Well, he asked me if I could find some technological way
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他問我能不能找到某種科技
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to unfold a five-centuries-old mystery related to
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來解開已存在五世紀之久的謎團─
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a lost masterpiece by Leonardo da Vinci,
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達文西失落的巨作「安吉里戰役」
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the "Battle of Anghiari," which is supposed to be located
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這幅畫作應該是在
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in the Hall of the 500 in Palazzo Vecchio, in Florence.
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佛羅倫斯舊宮的五百人大廳裡
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Well, in the mid-'70s, there were not great opportunities
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在七零年代中期,像我這樣的生物工程學家
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for a bioengineer like me, especially in Italy, and so
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沒有什麼好的工作機會,特別是在義大利
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I decided, with some researchers from the United States
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所以我決定和來自美國
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and the University of Florence, to start probing the murals
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及佛羅倫斯大學的研究人員一起著手探索
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decorated by Vasari on the long walls of the Hall of the 500
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瓦薩里在五百人大廳的長牆上繪製的壁畫
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searching for the lost Leonardo.
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以尋找達文西失落的畫作
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Unfortunately, at that time we did not know that
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不幸的是,當時我們並不知道
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that was not exactly where we should be looking,
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這裡不是我們該留意的地方
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because we had to go much deeper in, and so the research
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正因為我們得挖更深,
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came to a halt, and it was only taken up in 2000
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這個研究最終被擱置下來,直到2000年
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thanks to the interest and the enthusiasm of the Guinness family.
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在金氏家族的大力支持之下,才得以重啟
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Well, this time, we focused on trying to reconstruct
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這次,我們把焦點擺在試著重建
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the way the Hall of the 500 was before the remodeling,
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那建於1494年的五百人大廳
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and the so-called Sala Grande, which was built in 1494,
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也就是大廳 (Sala Grande) 在翻修之前的樣貌
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and to find out the original doors, windows,
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並找出它原本的門窗位置
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and in order to do that, we first created a 3D model,
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為此,我們首先做出一個 3D 模型
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and then, with thermography, we went on to discover
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然後藉著熱成像的技術,我們發現了一些
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hidden windows. These are the original windows of the hall
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隱藏的窗戶,那都是大廳原本的窗戶
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of the Sala Grande. We also found out about the height
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也知道了天花板的高度
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of the ceiling, and we managed to reconstruct, therefore,
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所以能夠成功地重建
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all the layout of this original hall
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原始禮堂的整個佈局
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the way it was before there came Vasari,
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也就是在瓦薩里來到此地之前的樣貌
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and restructured the whole thing,
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我們也重建出整個結構
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including a staircase that was very important
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包括一個很重要的樓梯
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in order to precisely place "The Battle of Anghiari"
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那是為了將「安吉里戰役」準確地放置
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on a specific area of one of the two walls.
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而準備的工具之一
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Well, we also learned that Vasari, who was commissioned
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我們也發現在1560到1574年間
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to remodel the Hall of the 500 between 1560 and 1574
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受梅迪奇家族的大公科西莫一世委託
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by the Grand Duke Cosimo I of the Medici family,
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翻修五百人大廳的瓦薩里
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we have at least two instances when he saved masterpieces
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為保存大師作品,至少有兩次在
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specifically by placing a brick wall in front of it
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作品前特地築起一道磚牆
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and leaving a small air gap.
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並在牆與作品間留下小小的氣隙
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One that we [see] here, Masaccio, the church of Santa Maria Novella in Florence,
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這邊的一個例子是 馬薩其奧的「佛羅倫斯新聖母堂」
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so we just said, well maybe, Visari has done something
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所以我們就想,或許瓦薩里也對
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like that in the case of this great work of art by Leonardo,
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達文西的傑作做了類似的事
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since he was a great admirer of Leonardo da Vinci.
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畢竟他相當崇拜達文西
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And so we built some very sophisticated radio antennas
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所以我們做了一些非常精細的無線電天線
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just for probing both walls and searching for an air gap.
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用來探測大廳的兩面牆來找尋這樣的氣隙
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And we did find many on the right panel of the east wall,
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而我們真的在東牆右邊的牆板找到了
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an air gap, and that's where
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一個這樣的氣隙
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we believe "The Battle of Anghiari,"
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我們相信「安吉里戰役」
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or at least the part that we know has been painted,
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或者至少是據知已經繪成的
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which is called "The Fight for the Standard," should be located.
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稱為「奪旗之戰」的一部分應該就在那裡
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Well, from there, unfortunately,
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不過很不幸地
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in 2004, the project
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這個計畫在2004年中止了
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came to a halt. Many political reasons.
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出於很多政治上的原因
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So I decided to go back to my alma mater,
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所以我決定回到我的母校
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and, at the University of California, San Diego,
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加州大學聖地牙哥分校
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and I proposed to open up a research center
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並提議創設一個
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for engineering sciences for cultural heritage.
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以保存文化遺產為目的的工程科學研究中心
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And in 2007, we created CISA3 as a research center
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然後在2007年,我們創了 CISA3
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for cultural heritage, specifically art, architecture
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一個以保存文化遺產,尤其是藝術、建築
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and archaeology. So students started to flow in,
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以及考古發現而設的研究中心,所以學生開始湧入
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and we started to build technologies, because that's
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也開始發展這方面的科技
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basically what we also needed in order to move forward
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因為那正是我們推展這個計畫
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and go and do fieldwork.
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以及重回實地工作所需要的技術
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We came back in the Hall of the 500 in 2011,
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我們在2011年時回到五百人大廳
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and this time, with a great group of students,
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這次我們有一大群學生
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and my colleague, Professor Falko Kuester,
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還有我的同事凡科庫斯特教授
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who is now the director at CISA3, and we
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現在他是CISA3的負責人
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came back just since we knew already where to look for
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一起回到這裡,是因為我們已經知道
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to find out if there was still something left.
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該到哪裡尋找可能留下的畫作遺跡
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Well, we were confined though, limited, I should rather say,
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但這麼說吧,我們的研究方式受到限制
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for several reasons that it's not worth explaining,
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出於一些不值得說明的原因
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to endoscopy only, of the many other options we had,
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在眾多選項中,我們只能使用內視鏡
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and with a 4mm camera attached to it,
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藉著附接在內視鏡上的四毫米攝像頭
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we were successful in documenting and taking
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我們成功紀錄並採到
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some fragments of what it turns out to be
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一些碎片,後來證實這些
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a reddish color, black color, and there is some
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有著紅黑夾雜的色彩
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beige fragments that later on
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我們後來針對一些米色碎片
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we ran a much more sophisticated exams,
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作了更精密的檢驗
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XRF, X-ray diffraction, and the results are very positive
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包括X光螢光與繞射分析,也得到非常正面的結果
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so far. It seems to indicate that indeed
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看起來這似乎表示
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we have found some pigments, and since we know for sure
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我們確實找到一些顏料,也因為我們知道
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that no other artist has painted on that wall
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在瓦薩里大約六十年後來到這裡之前
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before Vasari came in about 60 years later, well,
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其他的藝術家不曾在那面牆上作畫
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those pigments are therefore firmly related to mural painting
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所以那些顏料很可能與壁畫有關
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and most likely to Leonardo.
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最有可能出於達文西
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Well, we are searching for the highest and highly praised
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我們在找尋的是人類有史以來
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work of art ever achieved by mankind.
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所創作出最棒、最受推崇的藝術作品
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As a matter of fact, this is by far the most important
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事實上,這是達文西一生所接過
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commission that Leonardo has ever had,
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最重要的委託
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and for doing this great masterpiece, he was named
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因為這幅傑作,他被喻為是
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the number one artist influence at the time.
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當時最有影響力的藝術家
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I had also had the privilege since the last 37 years
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在過去的 37 年中,我也有幸參與了一些
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to work on several masterpieces as you can see behind me,
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跟我背後這幾項傑作有關的計畫
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but basically to do what? Well, to assess, for example,
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但我到底在做些什麼呢?比方說
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the state of conservation. See here the face of the
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評估它們保存的狀態,你們看這幅「椅中聖母」
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Madonna of the Chair that when just shining a UV light on it
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當我們把紫外線打在聖母的臉上時
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you suddenly see another, different lady,
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你突然會看到另一位女士
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aged lady, I should rather say.
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應該說一位更年長的女士
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There is a lot of varnish still sitting there, several retouches,
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這上面還殘留很多亮光漆、潤飾及過度清理的痕跡
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and some over cleaning. It becomes very visible.
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在紫外線下變得很明顯
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But also, technology has helped to write new pages
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科技更幫助我們寫下歷史的新頁
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of our history, or at least to update pages of our histories.
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或至少更新我們所知的歷史
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For example, the "Lady with the Unicorn,"
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比方說,這幅「抱著獨角獸的女人」
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another painting by Rafael, well, you see the unicorn.
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另一幅拉斐爾的畫作,你看到獨角獸
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A lot has been said and written about the unicorn, but
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對於這隻獨角獸已經有很多不同的闡述
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if you take an X-ray of the unicorn, it becomes a puppy dog.
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但如果你給牠照張 X 光片,牠就變成一隻小狗了
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And — (Laughter) — no problem, but, unfortunately,
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(眾笑)這還不打緊,不幸的是
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continuing with the scientific examination of this painting
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在更進一步以科技檢驗這幅畫作之後
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came out that Rafael did not paint the unicorn,
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我們發現拉斐爾沒畫獨角獸,
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did not paint the puppy dog, actually left the painting
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也沒畫小狗,他根本沒把這幅畫畫完
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unfinished, so all this writing about the exotic symbol
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所以一切關於這隻奇特的獨角獸的象徵意義的著作─
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of the unicorn — (Laughter) — unfortunately,
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(眾笑)─ 很不幸的
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is not very reliable. (Laughter)
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都不大可靠
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Well, also, authenticity. Just think for a moment
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再來就是鑑定作品的真偽,你想嘛
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if science really could move in the field of authenticity
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如果科技真的能夠對真跡鑑定有所貢獻
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of works of art. There would be a cultural revolution
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那會是一場文化的革命
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to say the least, but also, I would say, a market revolution,
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我認為至少可以說是藝術市場的革命
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let me add. Take this example:
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舉例來說
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Otto Marseus, nice painting, which is "Still Life"
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奧托瑪蘇斯的「靜物」,很棒的作品
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at the Pitti Gallery, and just have an infrared camera peering through,
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現在保存在碧提宮的美術館裡
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and luckily for art historians, it just was confirmed
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對藝術史家來說,很幸運地
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that there is a signature of Otto Marseus. It even says
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紅外線掃描剛剛證實了畫上有奧托瑪蘇斯的簽名,甚至
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when it was made and also the location.
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還說了這幅畫是何時何地畫成
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So that was a good result. Sometimes, it's not that good,
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這結果還不錯,但有時候就沒那麼幸運了
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and so, again, authenticity and science could go together
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所以我要再次強調,鑑定和科學可以相輔相成
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and change the way, not attributions being made,
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並改變現今的鑑定方式,不單只是單純的主觀認定
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but at least lay the ground for a more objective,
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而是找出一個可以更為客觀
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or, I should rather say, less subjective attribution,
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或者說,較不那麼主觀的認定基礎
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as it is done today.
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至少和現在比起來
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But I would say the discovery that really caught
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但我敢說真正激起
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my imagination, my admiration, is the incredibly vivid
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我的想像力和讚嘆的,是那不可思議、栩栩如生的畫作
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drawing under this layer, brown layer,
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就隱藏在那棕色外層
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of "The Adoration of the Magi." Here you see
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也就是「賢士來朝」之下
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a handmade setting XYZ scanner with an infrared camera put on it,
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在這邊你可以看到一台手製的紅外線立體掃描儀
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and just peering through this brown layer
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正對這棕色外層的
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of this masterpiece to reveal
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大師作品進行掃描
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what could have been underneath.
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來找出這外層之下可能有的東西
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Well, this happens to be the most important painting
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而底下正是義大利所擁有的
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we have in Italy by Leonardo da Vinci, and
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最重要的一幅達文西畫作
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look at the wonderful images of faces that nobody has seen
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看看這些五個世紀以來沒有人見過的臉孔
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for five centuries. Look at these portraits.
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看看這些畫像,
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They're magnificent. You see Leonardo at work.
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令人讚嘆不已,彷彿看到達文西作畫的身影
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You see the geniality of his creation, right directly
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從他的創作中你可以感受到真切的情感
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on the ground layer of the panel, and see
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從這幅畫的底層透出來
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this cool thing, finding, I should rather say,
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看看這了不起的發現,這麼說吧
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an elephant. (Laughter) Because of this elephant,
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這是一隻大象(眾笑)因為這隻大象
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over 70 new images came out, never seen for centuries.
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有七十多個幾世紀未曾見世的新圖像出現
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This was an epiphany. We came to understand
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那是一場頓悟,我們才明白
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and to prove that the brown coating that we see today
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並接著證明今日所看到的棕色外層
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was not done by Leonardo da Vinci, which left us
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並非出自達文西之手,而讓底下其他畫像
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only the other drawing that for five centuries
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在五世紀以來無法得見
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we were not able to see, so thanks only to technology.
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這全是靠著科技的幫助
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Well, the tablet. Well, we thought, well, if we all have
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再來是平板電腦,我們覺得
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this pleasure, this privilege to see all this,
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如果我們如此榮幸能看到這些東西
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to find all these discoveries, what about for everybody else?
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以及這所有發現,何不和所有人分享呢?
09:11
So we thought of an augmented reality application
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所以我們想到在平板電腦上作個擴增實境應用程式
09:14
using a tablet. Let me show you just simulating
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讓我作個示範
09:18
what we could be doing, any of us could be doing,
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我們能夠用它來做些什麼
09:22
in a museum environment.
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這是任何人在博物館裡都可以做到的事
09:24
So let's say that we go to a museum with a tablet, okay?
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所以我們帶著平板電腦到博物館去
09:28
And we just aim the camera of the tablet
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然後我們把平板電腦的相機
09:32
to the painting that we are interested to see, like this.
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對準我們想看的畫,就像這樣
09:38
Okay? And I will just click on it, we pause,
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好了嗎?然後按下快門,等一下
09:44
and now let me turn to you so the moment the image,
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現在讓我轉向你們,所以當這個影像─
09:48
or, I should say, the camera, has locked in the painting,
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或者應該說是相機,鎖定了這幅畫以後
09:51
then the images you just saw up there in the drawing
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你們剛剛在那邊看到的畫中影像
09:54
are being loaded. And so, see.
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就載入這裡了,然後你們看
09:57
We can, as we said, we can zoom in. Then we can scroll.
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我們就能像剛才說的把畫放大,還可以上下捲動
10:01
Okay? Let's go and find the elephant.
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好嗎?讓我們去把這隻大象找出來吧
10:06
So all we need is one finger. Just wipe off
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我們只要用一根手指頭,抹一抹
10:09
and we see the elephant. (Applause)
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就能看到這隻大象了(掌聲)
10:14
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
10:18
Okay? And then if we want,
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好嗎?然後如果想要的話
10:20
we can continue the scroll to find out, for example,
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可以繼續捲動這幅畫來找出─
10:23
on the staircase, the whole iconography is going
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比方說,在這個樓梯上(用手指抹一抹)
10:27
to be changed. There are a lot of laymen reconstructing
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這整個圖像就都改變了
10:29
from the ruins of an old temple a new temple,
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你現在看到的是很多人在廢墟上重建新的廟堂
10:32
and there are a lot of figures showing up. See?
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還有很多其他的圖像也出現了,看到了嗎?
10:36
This is not just a curiosity, because it changes
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這不只是一項引人好奇的事物
10:39
not just the iconography as you see it, but the iconology,
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因為它不只改變了你所看到的圖像
10:42
the meaning of the painting,
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還有圖像學本身以及畫作的意義
10:44
and we believe this is a cool way, easy way,
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我們相信這是一個又棒又簡單的方法
10:47
that everybody could have access to, to become more
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讓每個人都能和我們一樣
10:50
the protagonist of your own discovery, and not just
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走入數不清的博物館展間時
10:54
be so passive about it, as we are when we walk through
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能夠更積極主動地去挖掘出自己的發現
10:57
endless rooms of museums.
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而不是只能被動接受
11:01
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
11:06
Another concept is the digital clinical chart, which sounds
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另一個概念是數位診斷圖表
11:10
very obvious if we were to talk about real patients,
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如果是討論病人,就很容易理解
11:13
but when we talk about works of art, unfortunately,
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但不幸的是,當談到藝術作品時
11:15
it's never been tapped as an idea.
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這個概念不曾被探索過
11:17
Well, we believe, again, that this should be the beginning,
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我們還是相信,這只是一個開始
11:20
the very first step, to do real conservation,
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是著手進行真正的保存的第一步
11:22
and allowing us to really explore and to understand
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也讓我們能夠實際地去探索、去了解
11:26
everything related to the state of our conservation,
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所有跟我們的保存工作有關的事
11:28
the technique, materials, and also if, when, and why
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用的技術和材料,以及在什麼情況之下
11:32
we should restore, or, rather, to intervene on
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我們應該修復畫作
11:36
the environment surrounding the painting.
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或者介入畫作的周邊環境
11:40
Well, our vision is to rediscover
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我們的願景是能
11:43
the spirit of the Renaissance, create a new discipline
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重新找回文藝復興的精神、創造全新領域
11:46
where engineering for cultural heritage is actually
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讓保存文化遺產的技術
11:49
a symbol of blending art and science together.
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成為藝術與科學融合的象徵
11:52
We definitely need a new breed of engineers
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這確實需要擁有全新專長的工程師
11:54
that will go out and do this kind of work and
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能夠實地進行這種工作
11:57
rediscover for us these values, these cultural values
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來幫助我們重現這些
12:01
that we badly need, especially today.
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在今日尤為需要的文化價值
12:04
And if you want to summarize in one just single word,
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如果要以簡單一句話作結
12:08
well, this is what we're trying to do.
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這就是我們所作的嘗試
12:11
We're trying to give a future to our past
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試著藉由延續過去
12:13
in order to have a future.
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來展望未來
12:15
As long as we live a life of curiosity and passion,
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只要我們能夠在生活中常抱好奇心與熱情
12:18
there is a bit of Leonardo in all of us. Thank you. (Applause)
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達文西的精神就常在我們心中,謝謝大家(掌聲)
12:23
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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