Cristina Domenech: Poetry that frees the soul (with English subtitles) | TED
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Translator: Sebastian Betti
Reviewer: Gisela Giardino
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翻译人员: Xin Rong
校对人员: Xiaoou Chen
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It's said that to be a poet
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有人说 如果你想要成为诗人
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you have to go to hell and back.
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你就必须去一趟地狱 然后回来
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The first time I visited the prison,
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当我第一次参观监狱时
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I was not surprised by the noise
of the padlocks,
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or the closing doors,
or the cell bars,
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狱室的栏杆
和我之前想象出的各种恐怖东西
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or by any of the things
I had imagined.
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都没有吓到我
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Maybe because the prison
is in a quite open space.
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也许是因为那个监狱是在一个比较开阔的地方
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You can see the sky.
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抬头就是天空
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Seagulls fly overhead,
and you feel like you're next to the sea,
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海鸥在头顶飞翔
你会感觉大海就在附近
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that you're really close to the beach.
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沙滩就在附近
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But in fact, the gulls are looking
for food in the dump near the prison.
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但是实际上
那些海鸥是在监狱旁边的垃圾堆里寻找食物
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I went farther inside and I suddenly saw
inmates moving across the corridors.
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我继续往里面走
突然看到囚犯们在走廊里走动
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Then it was as if I stepped back
and thought
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我停下脚步 陷入了思考
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that I could have very well been
one of them.
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我也有可能成为他们中的一员
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If I had another story,
another context, different luck.
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如果我的人生是另一个故事
另一种境遇 不同的缘分
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Because nobody - nobody -
can choose where they're born.
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因为没有人能够选择他们的出身
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In 2009, I was invited to join a project
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2009年,我应邀参加了一个项目
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that San Martín National University
conducted at the Unit 48 penitentiary,
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圣·马丁国立大学在第48教养所
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to coordinate a writing workshop.
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举办了一个写作班
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The prison service ceded some land
at the end of the prison,
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狱方在监狱的尽头划了一片地
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which is where they constructed
the University Center building.
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在那里修建了大学中心的建筑
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The first time I met with the prisoners,
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我第一次和那些囚犯见面时
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I asked them why they were asking
for a writing workshop
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我问他们为什么要参加写作班
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and they told me they wanted
to put on paper
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他们说要把那些不能说与不能做的事
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all that they couldn't say and do.
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都写在纸上
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Right then I decided that I wanted poetry
to enter the prison.
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那一刻 我决定把诗引入监狱
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So I said to them
why don't we work with poetry,
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于是我跟他们说
为什么我们不写诗
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if they knew what poetry was.
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如果他们知道诗是什么
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But nobody had a clue
what poetry really was.
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但是没有人清楚诗到底是什么
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They also suggested to me
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他们还给我建议
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that the workshop should be
not just for the inmates
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写作班不应该只面向参加大学课程的囚犯
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taking university classes,
but for all the inmates.
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而应该面向所有囚犯
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And so I said
that to start this workshop,
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于是我说如果要办这个写作班
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I needed to find a tool
that we all had in common.
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我需要找到一个我们都有的工具
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That tool was language.
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这个工具就是语言
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We had language, we had the workshop.
We could have poetry.
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我们有语言 有这个写作班
就应当可以写诗
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But what I hadn't considered
was that inequality exists in prison, too.
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但是我没有想到
监狱里面也存在着不平等
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Many of the prisoners hadn't even
completed grammar school.
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很多囚犯连语法都没学过
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Many couldn't use cursive,
could barely print.
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很多人不会手写体
连写印刷体也很困难
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They didn't write fluently, either.
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他们写的也不流畅
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So we started looking for short poems.
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于是我们先从短篇诗开始
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Very short, but very powerful.
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非常短 但是非常有力
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And we started to read, and we'd read
one author, then another author,
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然后我们开始阅读
一位作家接着一位作家的读
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and by reading such short poems,
they all began to realize
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通过阅读这些短篇诗
他们都开始意识到
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that what the poetic language did
was to break a certain logic,
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诗的语言能够打破一定的逻辑
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and create another system.
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并且建立另一个系统
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Breaking the logic of language
also breaks the logic of the system
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诗在打破了语言的逻辑
的同时也打破了
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under which they've learned to respond.
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他们早已适应的系统的逻辑
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So a new system appeared,
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于是一个新的系统诞生了
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new rules that made them
understand very quickly,
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新的规则让他们非常迅速
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- very quickly -
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非常迅速地理解到
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that with poetic language
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利用诗的语言
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they would be able to say
absolutely whatever they wanted.
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他们可以说出想表达的一切
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It's said that to be a poet
you have to go to hell and back.
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有人说要成为诗人
就要到地狱去再回来
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And they have plenty of hell.
Plenty of hell.
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这些囚犯的现实人生已然是地狱
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One of them once said:
"In prison you never sleep.
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一个囚犯说
“在监狱无法睡觉
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You can never sleep in jail.
You can never close your eyelids."
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“在监狱无法入眠
无法合拢眼皮”
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And so, like I’m doing now,
I gave them a moment of silence,
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于是 就像我现在要做的
我让他们保持片刻的安静
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then said,
“That's what poetry is, you guys.
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然后说
“这就是诗,各位”
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It's in this prison universe
that you have all around you.
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诗就在这所监狱中
在你的周围
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Everything you say
about how you never sleep,
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你说的关于“无法入眠”的一切
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it exudes fear.
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都散发着恐惧
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All the things that go unwritten --
all of that is poetry."
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所有这一切没有写下来的
全部都是诗
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So we started appropriating that hell;
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于是我们开始借用这个地狱
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we plunged ourselves, headfirst,
into the seventh circle.
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我们将自己头朝下
投入到第七圈地狱中
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And in that seventh circle of hell,
our very own, beloved circle,
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而就在这第七圈地狱
我们自己的 钟爱的第七圈
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they learned that they could
make the walls invisible,
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他们发现自己可以让围墙消失
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that they could make the windows yell,
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可以让窗户咆哮
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and that we could hide inside the shadows.
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而我们可以躲在阴影里
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When the first year
of the workshop had ended,
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当第一年的写作班结束时
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we organized a little closing party,
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我们开了一个小型的结课聚会
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like you do when a job is done
with so much love,
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就好像当你投入了很多爱
去完成了一项工作时
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and you want to celebrate with a party.
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你会用一个聚会来庆祝
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We called family, friends,
the university authorities.
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我们叫来了家人 朋友
大学的官员
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The only thing the inmates
had to do was read a poem,
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犯人们唯一需要做的
就是读一首诗
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and receive their diplomas and applause.
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然后接收学位并鼓掌
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That was our simple party.
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我们的聚会就是这样简单
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The only thing I want to leave you with
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我还想告诉你的唯一一点
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is the moment in which those men,
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就是有那么一刻 这些人
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some of them just huge
when standing next to me,
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他们中有些人站在我旁边
显得十分巨大
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or the young boys - so young,
but with an enormous pride,
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还有年轻的男孩 非常年轻
但是非常有傲骨
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held their papers and trembled
like little kids and sweated,
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他们都拿着自己的纸
颤抖得像小孩子 满身是汗
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and read their poems with their
voices completely broken.
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朗诵着自己的诗
声音完全嘶哑了
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That moment made me think a lot
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那一刻让我思考良多
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that for most of them,
it was surely the very first time
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对于他们中大多数人
这肯定是第一次
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that someone applauded them
for something they had done.
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能够有人为了他们做的事情而鼓掌
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In prison there are things
that can't be done.
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在监狱中有些事情是不能做的
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In prison, you can't dream.
In prison, you can't cry.
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在监狱里 不能做梦
在监狱里 不能哭喊
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There are words that are virtually
forbidden, like the word "time,"
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有些词基本是禁用的
比如说“时间”
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the word "future," the word "wish".
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“未来” 或者 “希望”
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But we dared to dream, and to dream a lot.
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但是我们敢于去做梦
做很多的梦
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We decided
that they were going to write a book.
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我们决定犯人们可以写本书
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Not only did they write a book,
but they also bound it themselves.
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他们不仅写了一本书
而且他们还自己装订
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That was at the end of 2010.
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那是2010年年底
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Then, we doubled the bet
and wrote another book.
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那之后 我们下了双重赌注
写了另一本书
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And we bound that one, too.
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我们也装订了那一本
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That was a short time ago,
at the end of last year.
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那是不久之前
去年年底
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What I see week after week,
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一个又一个星期过去了
我所看到的是
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is how they're turning
into different people;
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他们如何成为了不同的人
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how they're being transformed.
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他们如何进行转变
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How words are empowering them
with a dignity they had never known,
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词语是如何让他们变得强大而有尊严
连他们自己都从未知道
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that they couldn't even imagine.
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甚至都不可能想象
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They had no idea such dignity
could come from them.
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他们曾经不晓得
尊严可以这样在他们身上出现
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At the workshop, in that beloved hell
we share, we all give something.
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在写作班上 那个我们所爱的地狱中
我们共同分享 给予
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We open our hands and hearts and give
what we have, what we can.
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我们张开双手 敞开心扉
尽力给予
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All of us;
all of us equally.
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我们所有人
所有人平等地
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And so you feel that at least
in a small way
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于是你感觉至少很微不足道地
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you're repairing
that huge social fracture
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你在修理一个巨大的社会的裂痕
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which makes it so that for many of them,
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这个裂痕造成的后果
就是很多像他们一样的人
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prison is their only destination.
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监狱成为了他们唯一的终点
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I remember a verse
by a tremendous poet, a great poet,
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我记得一句诗
是一位很伟大的诗人写的
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from our Unit 48 workshop,
Nicolás Dorado:
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是来自我们第48所的写作班
尼古拉斯·多拉多
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"I will need an infinite thread
to sew up this huge wound."
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“我需要一根无限长的线
才能缝合这个巨大的伤口”
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Poetry does that; it sews up
the wounds of exclusion.
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诗就能做到这一点
诗可以缝合排斥带来的伤口
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It opens doors.
Poetry works as a mirror.
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诗能打开一扇扇门
诗歌就像一面镜子
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It creates a mirror, which is the poem.
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它创造了一面镜子,这就是诗
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They recognize themselves,
they look at themselves in the poem
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他们可以认识自己
在诗中审视自己
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and write from who they are,
and are from what they write.
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写自己是谁
写的就是自己
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In order to write,
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为了写诗
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they need to appropriate
the moment of writing
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他们需要投入到写作的那一刻中
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which is a moment
of extraordinary freedom.
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那是一个极为自由的时刻
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They have to get into their heads,
search for that bit of freedom
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他们必须走进自己的头脑
寻找自由的那一个点
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that can never be taken away
when they write
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这自由绝不会被夺走
只要他们在写作
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and that is also useful
to realize that freedom is possible
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这也帮助他们意识到
自由是可能的
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even inside a prison,
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甚至是在监狱中
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and that the only bars we have
in our wonderful space
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在我们美好的空间中
我们仅有的栏杆
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is the word "bars,"
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仅仅是“栏杆”这个词
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and that all of us in our hell
burn with happiness
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我们所有的人 在我们的地狱中
幸福地燃烧
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when we light the wick of the word.
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当我们点燃词语这个蕊心
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
10:17
I told you a lot about the prison,
a lot about what I experience
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我跟你讲述了很多关于监狱的事
很多我的体验
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every week, and how I enjoy it
and transform myself with the inmates.
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每个星期 我如何享受这个过程
和犯人们一同转变自我
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But you don't know how much I'd like it
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但是你不知道我到底有多喜欢
10:31
if you could feel, live, experience,
even for a few seconds,
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如果你能够感受 亲历 体验
哪怕只是几秒钟
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what I enjoy every week
and what makes me who I am.
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我每个星期所享受的
也是塑造了我这个人的体验
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
10:53
Martín Bustamante:
The heart chews tears of time;
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马丁·布斯塔曼特:
心灵咀嚼着时间的眼泪
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blinded by that light,
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被亮光所致盲
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it hides the speed of existence
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在那里画面划动而过的地方
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where the images go rowing by.
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它隐藏了存在的速度
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It fights; it hangs on.
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它斗争着 它坚持着
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The heart cracks under sad gazes,
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心在悲伤眼神的注视中碎裂
11:12
rides on storms that spread fire,
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驾驭着传播烈火的风暴
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lifts chests lowered by shame,
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挺起了因羞耻而低垂的胸膛
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knows that it's not just reading
and going on,
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知道这不只是短暂的阅读后
仍然继续
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it also wishes to see the infinite blue.
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它也希望能看到无限的蔚蓝
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The heart sits down to think about things,
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心坐下来开始思考事情
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fights to avoid being ordinary,
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斗争着避免平庸
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tries to love without hurting,
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试图去爱而避免伤害
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breathes the sun,
giving courage to itself,
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呼吸阳光 给予自己勇气
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surrenders, travels toward reason.
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投降 走向理性
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The heart fights among the swamps,
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心在沼泽中斗争
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skirts the edge of the underworld,
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绕行着黑暗社会的边际
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falls exhausted, but won't give in
to what's easy,
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筋疲力竭 但不会向容易做的
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while irregular steps of intoxication
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但是一步步引向中毒的事情投降
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wake up,
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醒来
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wake the stillness.
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打破寂静
12:01
I'm Martín Bustamante,
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我是马丁·巴斯特曼特
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I'm a prisoner in Unit 48 of San Martín,
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我是圣马丁第48狱所的囚犯
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today is my day of temporary release.
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今天是我的临时释放日
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And for me, poetry and literature
have changed my life.
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对于我来说
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