Cristina Domenech: Poetry that frees the soul (with English subtitles) | TED
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Translator: Sebastian Betti
Reviewer: Gisela Giardino
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譯者: Melody Tang
審譯者: Bighead Ge
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It's said that to be a poet
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有人說 要成為一個詩人
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you have to go to hell and back.
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你必須去過地獄後回來。
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The first time I visited the prison,
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我第一次去拜訪監獄時,
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I was not surprised by the noise
of the padlocks,
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關鎖,關門,
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or the closing doors,
or the cell bars,
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柵欄,或其他我早已想到的聲音,
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or by any of the things
I had imagined.
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都沒嚇到我。
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Maybe because the prison
is in a quite open space.
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可能是因為監獄是一個
相當大的開放空間。
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You can see the sky.
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你可以看到天空。
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Seagulls fly overhead,
and you feel like you're next to the sea,
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海鷗從頭上飛過,
你覺得好像在海邊,
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that you're really close to the beach.
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非常靠近沙灘。
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But in fact, the gulls are looking
for food in the dump near the prison.
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但實際上,海鷗是在
監獄附近的垃圾堆找食物。
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I went farther inside and I suddenly saw
inmates moving across the corridors.
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我走進去 突然看到囚犯在穿過走廊。
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Then it was as if I stepped back
and thought
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然後我好像停下來 在想我也有可能
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that I could have very well been
one of them.
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是他們中間的一份子。
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If I had another story,
another context, different luck.
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如果我有另一個人生故事,
在另一個時空,不同的運氣。
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Because nobody - nobody -
can choose where they're born.
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因為沒有人- 沒有人 -
可以選擇他們的出生地。
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In 2009, I was invited to join a project
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在2009年,我應邀參與
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that San Martín National University
conducted at the Unit 48 penitentiary,
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聖‧馬丁國立大學
在48號感化院所舉辦的
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to coordinate a writing workshop.
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一個協調寫作班的專案。
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The prison service ceded some land
at the end of the prison,
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獄方在監牢盡頭的一塊地上
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which is where they constructed
the University Center building.
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蓋了一個大學中心的建築物。
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The first time I met with the prisoners,
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我第一次見與囚犯見面時,
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I asked them why they were asking
for a writing workshop
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我問他們為什麼他們要求上寫作課
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and they told me they wanted
to put on paper
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他們告訴我他們要
將他們無法說和做的事情
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all that they couldn't say and do.
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寫在紙上。
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Right then I decided that I wanted poetry
to enter the prison.
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那時我就決定我要將詩引進監獄。
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So I said to them
why don't we work with poetry,
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我就告訴他們
如果你們知道詩是什麼
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if they knew what poetry was.
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我們何不寫詩。
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But nobody had a clue
what poetry really was.
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但沒有人真正知道詩是什麼。
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They also suggested to me
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他們也向我建議
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that the workshop should be
not just for the inmates
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這個班應該不應只是讓想要上
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taking university classes,
but for all the inmates.
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大學課程的囚犯參加,
所有囚犯應該都可參加。
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And so I said
that to start this workshop,
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我同意後就開始了這個寫作課。
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I needed to find a tool
that we all had in common.
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我必須先找一個我們都知道的工具。
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That tool was language.
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那個工具就是語言。
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We had language, we had the workshop.
We could have poetry.
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我們有語言,我們有這個課。
我們就可以有詩。
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But what I hadn't considered
was that inequality exists in prison, too.
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但我沒考慮到的是
監獄也有不平等。
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Many of the prisoners hadn't even
completed grammar school.
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許多囚犯甚至沒有讀完小學。
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Many couldn't use cursive,
could barely print.
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許多不會寫草書,只會一點正楷。
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They didn't write fluently, either.
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他們無法流暢的寫。
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So we started looking for short poems.
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所以我們開始找短詩。
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Very short, but very powerful.
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很短有很有力的短詩。
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And we started to read, and we'd read
one author, then another author,
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然後我們開始讀詩,
我們讀過一個詩人的詩
再讀另一個的,
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and by reading such short poems,
they all began to realize
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在讀這些短詩,他們都開始理解
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that what the poetic language did
was to break a certain logic,
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詩的語言可以破壞某些邏輯,
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and create another system.
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然後創造另一個系統。
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Breaking the logic of language
also breaks the logic of the system
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破壞語言的邏輯
同時也破壞了系統的邏輯
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under which they've learned to respond.
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在那系統下他們已習慣去反應。
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So a new system appeared,
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因此一個新的系統出現了,
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new rules that made them
understand very quickly,
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讓他們很快能了解的新的規則,
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- very quickly -
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- 很快的 -
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that with poetic language
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藉新規則和詩的語言
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they would be able to say
absolutely whatever they wanted.
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他們可以完全表達他們想要的。
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It's said that to be a poet
you have to go to hell and back.
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有人說要成為詩人
你必須去過地獄後再回來。
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And they have plenty of hell.
Plenty of hell.
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他們已歷經夠多的地獄。
夠多的地獄。
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One of them once said:
"In prison you never sleep.
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他們中的一個曾說:
「在監獄裏你無法睡
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You can never sleep in jail.
You can never close your eyelids."
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你從來無法在監獄裏睡。
你無法闔眼。」
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And so, like I’m doing now,
I gave them a moment of silence,
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然後,就像我現在要做的,
我請他們靜默一下,
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then said,
“That's what poetry is, you guys.
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然後我說,
「大夥們,那就是詩。
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It's in this prison universe
that you have all around you.
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它在這個監獄範圍內,在你的四周。
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Everything you say
about how you never sleep,
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你們所說的你不能睡覺,
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it exudes fear.
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它滲出恐懼。
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All the things that go unwritten --
all of that is poetry."
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所有這些你沒有寫出來的 -
所有這些就是詩。」
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So we started appropriating that hell;
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我們開始掌握這個地獄;
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we plunged ourselves, headfirst,
into the seventh circle.
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我們將自己,頭向下,
投入第七圈地獄。
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And in that seventh circle of hell,
our very own, beloved circle,
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在第七圈地獄,
我們自己的,最鍾愛的一圈,
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they learned that they could
make the walls invisible,
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他們學到他們可以讓牆壁消失,
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that they could make the windows yell,
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他們可以讓窗戶咆哮,
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and that we could hide inside the shadows.
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我們可以躲在影子下。
05:23
When the first year
of the workshop had ended,
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當第一年的寫作課結束時,
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we organized a little closing party,
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我們籌組了一個結業派對,
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like you do when a job is done
with so much love,
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就像你們用許多的愛做完一件工作後,
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and you want to celebrate with a party.
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你想要用一個派對來慶祝。
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We called family, friends,
the university authorities.
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我們邀請家人,朋友,
大學的長官們。
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The only thing the inmates
had to do was read a poem,
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這些囚犯學生唯一要做的就是
朗讀一首詩,
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and receive their diplomas and applause.
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然後接受他們的文憑和掌聲。
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That was our simple party.
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那就是我們簡單的派對。
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The only thing I want to leave you with
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我唯一要留下來的
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is the moment in which those men,
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就是這些人的一些瞬間,
06:03
some of them just huge
when standing next to me,
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他們有些站在我旁邊時顯得非常巨大,
06:05
or the young boys - so young,
but with an enormous pride,
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或著是年輕的男孩 - 非常年輕,
但是很有榮譽的,
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held their papers and trembled
like little kids and sweated,
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拿著紙張,他們像小孩子一樣顫抖著,
滿身大汗,
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and read their poems with their
voices completely broken.
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在朗讀他們的詩時,聲音斷斷續續。
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That moment made me think a lot
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這些瞬間讓我想了許多
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that for most of them,
it was surely the very first time
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對他們許多人來說,
這是他們的第一次
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that someone applauded them
for something they had done.
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第一次有人因為他們所做的向他們鼓掌。
06:40
In prison there are things
that can't be done.
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在監獄裏有許多不能做的事。
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In prison, you can't dream.
In prison, you can't cry.
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在監獄,你不能夢想。
在監獄,你不能哭。
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There are words that are virtually
forbidden, like the word "time,"
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有許多字眼實質上是絕對禁止的,
如「時間」,
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the word "future," the word "wish".
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「將來」,「希望」。
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But we dared to dream, and to dream a lot.
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但是我們敢夢,要做許多夢。
07:04
We decided
that they were going to write a book.
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我們決定我們要寫一本書。
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Not only did they write a book,
but they also bound it themselves.
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他們不只寫了一本書,
他們還自己裝訂。
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That was at the end of 2010.
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那是2010年底。
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Then, we doubled the bet
and wrote another book.
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然後,我們加碼再寫了另一本書。
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And we bound that one, too.
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我們也裝訂了那一本。
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That was a short time ago,
at the end of last year.
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那是不久以前,去年底。
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What I see week after week,
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我在一週又一週所看到的,
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is how they're turning
into different people;
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是他們如何轉變成不同的人;
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how they're being transformed.
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他們如何被轉化。
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How words are empowering them
with a dignity they had never known,
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言語如何使他們得到他們從未有的尊嚴,
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that they couldn't even imagine.
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那是他們從來甚至沒有想像的。
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They had no idea such dignity
could come from them.
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他們從不知道他們可以有這樣的尊嚴。
07:51
At the workshop, in that beloved hell
we share, we all give something.
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在上課時,在那個大家所愛的地獄裏
我們分享,我們給予。
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We open our hands and hearts and give
what we have, what we can.
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我們敞開我們的雙手和心扉
給予我們有的,能給的。
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All of us;
all of us equally.
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我們所有人,
平等地。
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And so you feel that at least
in a small way
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然後你感覺到至少,
少許的
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you're repairing
that huge social fracture
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你在修補那個巨大的社會裂痕
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which makes it so that for many of them,
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那些使的他們多數
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prison is their only destination.
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只有監獄這條歸路。
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I remember a verse
by a tremendous poet, a great poet,
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我記得一個詩句
一個非常好的,偉大的詩人寫的,
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from our Unit 48 workshop,
Nicolás Dorado:
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來自我們第48號感化院,
尼可拉斯‧竇拉竇:
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"I will need an infinite thread
to sew up this huge wound."
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「 我會需要一條無限長的線
來縫補這個巨大的傷口。」
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Poetry does that; it sews up
the wounds of exclusion.
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詩可以,它可以縫補「排斥」的傷口。
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It opens doors.
Poetry works as a mirror.
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它開啟門。
詩可成為一面鏡子。
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It creates a mirror, which is the poem.
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它創造一個鏡子,那就是詩。
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They recognize themselves,
they look at themselves in the poem
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他們認識他們是誰,
他們在詩裏看著自己
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and write from who they are,
and are from what they write.
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從他們是誰寫詩,
詩裏寫的就是他們是誰
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In order to write,
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為了寫詩,
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they need to appropriate
the moment of writing
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他們需要擁有寫作的瞬間
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which is a moment
of extraordinary freedom.
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那是一個不尋常的自由的瞬間。
09:21
They have to get into their heads,
search for that bit of freedom
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他們必須在自己的頭腦裏,
找尋那一點的自由
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that can never be taken away
when they write
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那個自由在他們寫的時候,
是無人可以拿走的
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and that is also useful
to realize that freedom is possible
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了解自由的可能也是很有用的
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even inside a prison,
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甚至在監獄裏,
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and that the only bars we have
in our wonderful space
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我們在這個美好的空間裏唯有的欄杆
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is the word "bars,"
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就是「欄杆」這個字眼,
09:42
and that all of us in our hell
burn with happiness
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當我們點著字詞的蕊心。
09:45
when we light the wick of the word.
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我們全體在我們的地獄裏被快樂所燃燒
09:49
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
(掌聲停止)
10:17
I told you a lot about the prison,
a lot about what I experience
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我已告訴你們許多
我在監獄的經歷
10:23
every week, and how I enjoy it
and transform myself with the inmates.
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每一週,我如何享受這個經歷,
如何與囚犯一起轉化自我。
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But you don't know how much I'd like it
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但是你們無法知道我喜愛的程度
10:31
if you could feel, live, experience,
even for a few seconds,
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如果你可以感覺到,如我過著,經驗著
即使是幾秒,
10:37
what I enjoy every week
and what makes me who I am.
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我每週所享受的
和什麼造就了現在的我。
10:44
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
10:53
Martín Bustamante:
The heart chews tears of time;
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馬丁‧佈斯塔曼特:
這個心咀嚼時間的眼淚;
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blinded by that light,
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被亮光蒙蔽,
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it hides the speed of existence
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它隱藏存在的速度
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where the images go rowing by.
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那裏影像划著過去。
11:05
It fights; it hangs on.
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它搏鬥;它抓著不放。
11:08
The heart cracks under sad gazes,
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心在憂傷的凝視下破碎,
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rides on storms that spread fire,
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乘坐著散發火焰的風暴。
11:16
lifts chests lowered by shame,
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挺起因羞愧而彎下的胸膛。
11:19
knows that it's not just reading
and going on,
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知道不只是讀著而繼續,
11:22
it also wishes to see the infinite blue.
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它也期望見到無限的藍。
11:26
The heart sits down to think about things,
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心坐下來想事,
11:30
fights to avoid being ordinary,
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奮鬥以避免平凡,
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tries to love without hurting,
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嘗試不傷害的去愛,
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breathes the sun,
giving courage to itself,
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吸入太陽,
給自己勇氣,
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surrenders, travels toward reason.
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投降,朝向理性。
11:44
The heart fights among the swamps,
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心在沼澤中奮鬥,
11:47
skirts the edge of the underworld,
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位於地獄的邊緣,
11:50
falls exhausted, but won't give in
to what's easy,
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耗盡而倒,但絕不向容易低頭。
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while irregular steps of intoxication
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從沈醉的不穩的腳步
11:57
wake up,
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醒來,
11:59
wake the stillness.
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喚醒寂靜。
12:01
I'm Martín Bustamante,
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我是馬丁‧佈斯塔曼特,
12:03
I'm a prisoner in Unit 48 of San Martín,
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我是聖‧馬丁第48號感化院的囚犯,
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today is my day of temporary release.
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今天是我暫時釋放的日子。
12:10
And for me, poetry and literature
have changed my life.
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對我而言,詩和文學改變了我的生命。
12:13
Thank you very much!
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非常感謝你們!
12:14
Cristina Domenech: Thank you!
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謝謝
(掌聲)
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(Applause)
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