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Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Morton Bast
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翻译人员: Karen SONG
校对人员: 嘉宇 王
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What I do is I organize information.
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我是一名平面设计师,我的工作是组织信息。
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I'm a graphic designer.
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Professionally, I try to make sense
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从专业的角度来说,我尝试理解那些
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often of things that don't
make much sense themselves.
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本身没什么意义的事物。
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So my father might not understand
what it is that I do for a living.
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因此我父亲可能并不理解我是依靠什么
来谋生的。
我父辈的祖先都是农民。
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His part of my ancestry has been farmers.
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He's part of this ethnic minority
called the Pontic Greeks.
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他们这些少数民族被称作庞塔斯希腊人(居于土耳其北部)。
他们原本聚居在小亚细亚,后来逃难到希腊
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They lived in Asia Minor
and fled to Greece after a genocide
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来躲避一场大约发生在一百年前的种族灭绝(遭受奥斯曼帝国的屠杀 1914-1923),
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about a hundred years ago.
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And ever since that, migration
has somewhat been a theme in my family.
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并且从此以后,移民在某种程度上成为了
我们家庭的一个主题。
我父亲移民到德国,在那儿接受教育,并且成家立室,
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My father moved to Germany,
studied there and married,
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and as a result, I now have
this half-German brain,
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所以,我现在拥有一半的德国人头脑
擅长分析与逻辑思考
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with all the analytical thinking
and that slightly dorky demeanor
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同时也伴随着有点古怪的行为方式。
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that come with that.
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And of course it meant
that I was a foreigner in both countries,
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当然,这同样意味着,我在两个国家都是外国人
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and that of course made it pretty easy
for me to migrate as well,
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对我来说搬来搬去很容易
这可是我们家的好传统
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in good family tradition, if you like.
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But of course, most journeys
that we undertake from day to day
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不过当然,我们每天所进行的大部分旅行
都是在一个城市里的,特别是
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are within a city.
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And, especially if you know the city,
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如果你熟悉这座城市,从A地前往B地
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getting from A to B
may seem pretty obvious, right?
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可能是相当简单的,对吧?
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But the question is, why is it obvious?
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可是问题在于,为什么它就这么理所当然呢?
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How do we know where we're going?
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我们怎么知道我们正前往何处?
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So I washed up on a Dublin ferry port
about 12 years ago,
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大约12年前,作为一位完全的外国人
我曾经在都柏林渡轮码头从事洗碗碟的工作
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a professional foreigner, if you like,
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and I'm sure you've all had
this experience before, yeah?
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我相信你们曾经也有过这样的体会,是吧?
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You arrive in a new city,
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你到达了一个陌生的城市,你的大脑开始运作
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and your brain is trying
to make sense of this new place.
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去理解记忆这个全新的地方。
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Once you find your base, your home,
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一旦你找到落根的地方,你的家
你便开始绘制一张你对所处环境的认知地图。
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you start to build this cognitive map
of your environment.
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It's essentially this virtual map
that only exists in your brain.
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实质上,这个虚拟的地图仅仅存在于
你的脑袋里。所有的动物都会这样,
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All animal species do it,
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even though we all use
slightly different tools.
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尽管我们的方式方法有一点点的不同。
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Us humans, of course, we don't move around
marking our territory by scent, like dogs.
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我们人类当然不会像犬类动物那样
走来走去,依靠气味来标记我们的领地。
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We don't run around emitting
ultrasonic squeaks, like bats.
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我们也不会像蝙蝠那样,四处乱窜,叽叽地叫,发送超声波。
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We just don't do that,
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我们肯定不这么干。
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although a night in the Temple Bar
district can get pretty wild.
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虽然在特普吧区(都柏林一个城区)待上一晚可以使人变得相当狂野。
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(Laughter)
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No, we do two important things
to make a place our own.
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我们会做两件重要的事来把一个地方标注在我们的认知地图上。
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First, we move along linear routes.
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首先,我们沿着线型路径移动。
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Typically, we find a main street,
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我们往往会找到一条主街,而这条主街
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and this main street becomes
a linear strip map in our minds.
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就成为我们意识里的线型条带状地图。
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But our mind keeps it pretty simple, yeah?
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不过我们的大脑会将它绘制得相当简易,对吧?
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Every street is generally perceived
as a straight line,
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每一条街总体上都被看作是一条直线,
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and we kind of ignore the little twists
and turns that the streets make.
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我们会在一定程度上忽略那些街道间形成的弯弯绕绕的小路。
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When we do, however,
make a turn into a side street,
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然而,当我们要拐弯进入一条小巷时,
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our mind tends to adjust that turn
to a 90-degree angle.
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我们的意识倾向于将这种拐弯调整为90度的直角。
这样做当然会引发一些有趣的事情,
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This of course makes for
some funny moments
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when you're in some old city layout
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当你身处一座古老的城市,而这座城市的布局是依据
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that follows some sort
of circular city logic, yeah?
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环形城市理念来规划的。
也许你也曾经有过相同的经历,不是吗?
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Maybe you've had that experience as well.
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假设你处在一条小巷的某一点上,这条小巷
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Let's say you're on some spot
on a side street
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that projects from a main
cathedral square,
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是从天主堂广场延伸出来的,而你想去
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and you want to get to another point
on a side street just like that.
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另一个地方,它处于另一条从那广场延伸出来的小巷上。
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The cognitive map
in your mind may tell you,
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你的意识中的认知地图可能会告诉你,“艾利斯,
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"Aris, go back to the main
cathedral square,
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回到那个天主堂广场,
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take a 90-degree turn
and walk down that other side street."
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来一个90度转弯,然后沿着另一条小巷走下去。”
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But somehow you feel adventurous that day,
and you suddenly discover
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但是那天你不知怎么就觉得挺冒险,
然后你突然发现那两个地方
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that the two spots were actually
only a single building apart.
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实际上只是一幢建筑物之隔。
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Now, I don't know about you,
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现在,我不知道你们怎么想,但是我总是想我找到了
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but I always feel
like I find this wormhole
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这个虫洞或者说是互联维度的入口。
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or this inter-dimensional portal.
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(Laughter)
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So we move along linear routes
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那就是我们是沿线性路线移动的,
同时我们的意识会将街道视为直线的,转角视为
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and our mind straightens streets
and perceives turns as 90-degree angles.
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90度的直角。
为了将一个地方标注在我们的认知地图上,我们做的第二件事
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The second thing that we do
to make a place our own
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是将意义与情绪赋予那些
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is we attach meaning
and emotions to the things
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that we see along those lines.
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我们沿路所看到的事物。
如果你去爱尔兰的乡村,向一位老婆婆问路
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If you go to the Irish countryside
and you ask an old lady for directions,
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你就要准备好接下来滔滔不绝的
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brace yourself for some
elaborate Irish storytelling
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爱尔兰式的关于她与沿路地标的故事。
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about all the landmarks, yeah?
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She'll tell you the pub
where her sister used to work,
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她将会跟你说那个她姐姐曾经工作过的酒吧,
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and "... go past that church
where I got married," that kind of thing.
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以及你经过的那个她举行婚礼的教堂这一类的故事。
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So we fill our cognitive maps
with these markers of meaning.
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所以我们使认知地图具备这些特定的意义。
甚至于,我们会抽象化,
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What's more, we abstract
repeat patterns and recognize them.
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重复那些图案,并识别它们
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We recognize them by the experiences
and we abstract them into symbols.
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我们依靠经历来识别它们,
同时我们将它们抽象为符号。
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And of course, we're all capable
of understanding these symbols.
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不过当然,我们都可以
理解这些符号。
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(Laughter)
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而且,我们都能够理解
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What's more, we're all capable
of understanding the cognitive maps,
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这些认知地图,同时你们自己也都能够
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and you are all capable of creating
these cognitive maps yourselves.
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构建这些认知地图。
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So next time, when you want to tell
your friend how to get to your place,
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所以下次,当你想告诉你朋友怎么到你家时
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you grab a beermat, grab a napkin,
and you just observe yourself
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你拿出一张啤酒杯垫子,一张纸巾,
然后你就会发现自己画的东西成为了很棒的
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create this awesome piece
of communication design.
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交流设计。它有着笔直的线条。
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It's got straight lines.
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It's got 90-degree corners.
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它有着90度的拐角。
你也许会在沿路添加些小符号。
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You might add little symbols
along the way.
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而当你看着你所画的东西时,
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And when you look
at what you've just drawn,
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你会发现它并不像一张街道地图。
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you realize it does not
resemble a street map.
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If you were to put an actual street map
on top of what you've just drawn,
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如果你将要把一张真正的街道地图放在
你刚刚画的那张的上面,你会发现你所画的街道
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you'd realize your streets
and the distances -- they'd be way off.
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和距离,它们与实际都相差甚远。
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No, what you've just drawn
is more like a diagram or a schematic.
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这不是错误,你刚所画的
更像是图解或示意图。
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It's a visual construct
of lines, dots, letters,
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它是由线条、点和字母组成的虚拟建构,
是以我们头脑语言设计的
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designed in the language of our brains.
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So it's no big surprise
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所以,这就没什么让人大吃一惊的:上世纪的信息设计杰作,
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that the big information-design icon
of the last century --
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那个向人们展示如何从A地前往B地的顶峰设计——
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the pinnacle of showing everybody
how to get from A to B,
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伦敦地铁线路地图(1931)
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the London Underground map --
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不是由地图绘制员或城市规划师设计的。
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was not designed by a cartographer
or a city planner;
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it was designed
by an engineering draftsman.
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而是由一名工程制图员设计的。
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In the 1930s,
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在20世纪30年代,哈里·贝克应用了
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Harry Beck applied the principles
of schematic diagram design
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原理图设计理念,
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and changed the way public transport
maps are designed forever.
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从此改变了公共交通线路图的设计方式。
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Now the very key
to the success of this map
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现在看来,这个地图最重要的成功之处是
它省略了那些次要的信息
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is in the omission
of less important information
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and in the extreme simplification.
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形成极其精简的版本。
也就是直线化的街道,90度和45度的转角
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So, straightened streets,
corners of 90 and 45 degrees,
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还有图上那些极致的地理变形
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but also the extreme geographic
distortion in that map.
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如果要去查查这些车站的实际位置
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If you were to look at the actual
locations of these stations,
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you'd see they're very different.
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你们会发现与图上的有很大不同。对不对?
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But this is all for the clarity
of the public Tube map.
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但这都是为了公交地铁图的明确性
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If you, say, wanted to get
from Regent's Park station
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比如说,如果你要从摄政公园站
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to Great Portland Street,
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到大波特兰街站,地铁图会告诉你
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the Tube map would tell you:
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上车,到贝克街,换乘另一条地铁线
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take the Tube, go to Baker Street,
change over, take another Tube.
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Of course, what you don't know
is that the two stations
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你不知道的是两站之间
仅仅距离一百来米
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are only about a hundred meters apart.
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我们已经谈到了公共交通这个话题
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Now we've reached the subject
of public transport,
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and public transport here in Dublin
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都柏林这里的公共交通
可是一个敏感话题(笑声)
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is a somewhat touchy subject.
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(Laughter)
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对于不了解都柏林公共交通的人们来说,
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For everybody who does not know
the public transport here in Dublin,
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essentially, we have this system
of local buses that grew with the city.
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根本上我们拥有的是随着城市一同发展的
公交系统。每增加一个郊区
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For every outskirt that was added,
there was another bus route added,
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就会多增加一条公交线路
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running from the outskirt
all the way to the city center.
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连接这个郊区和市中心
当这些郊区公交车进入市中心
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And as these local buses
approach the city center,
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they all run side by side and converge
in pretty much one main street.
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他们一辆挨着一辆,拥挤地行驶在
主街上
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So when I stepped off
the boat 12 years ago,
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当我12年前从下船的时候
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I tried to make sense of that.
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我尝试着了解这些东西
因为徒步探索一座城市走不了多远
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Because exploring a city on foot
only gets you so far.
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But when you explore a foreign
and new public transport system,
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但当你探索异国的新公交系统
你会在脑中形成一幅认知地图
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you will build a cognitive map
in your mind in pretty much the same way.
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方式都差不多
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Typically, you choose yourself
a rapid transport route,
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典型的方式是:你为自己选择一条快速的线路
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and in your mind, this route
is perceived as a straight line.
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它在你脑中就会自动转化成一条直线
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And like a pearl necklace,
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就像一条珍珠项链,所有的车站
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all the stations and stops are nicely
and neatly aligned along the line.
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都在同一条线上整齐排列
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And only then you start to discover
some local bus routes
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然后你才开始去找那些区间车
填补车站之间的空白
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that would fill in the gaps,
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and that allow for those wormhole,
inter-dimensional portal shortcuts.
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于是你找到了那个虫洞,那个互联维度的入口。
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So I tried to make sense,
and when I arrived,
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我想掌握这一切,所以当我到达目的地时
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I was looking for some
information leaflets
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就会找一些传单
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that would help me crack this system
and understand it,
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让我能分解这个系统并理解它
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and I found those brochures.
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我找到了这些小册子(笑声)
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(Laughter)
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They were not geographically distorted.
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它们没有进行地理上的扭曲
省略了很多信息
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They had a lot of omission of information,
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but unfortunately, the wrong information.
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但不幸的是,错误地省略了一些信息。比如在市中心,
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Say, in the city center --
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there were never actually any lines
that showed the routes.
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没有什么表示路线的线条
09:07
(Laughter)
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There are actually not even
any stations with names.
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甚至没有标明站点的名字
09:13
(Laughter)
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09:14
Now, the maps of Dublin transport
have gotten better,
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都柏林现在的交通图进步多了
在我完成我的项目之后,它们改善了一些
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and after I finished the project,
they got a good bit better,
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but still no station names,
still no routes.
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但还是没有站名、没有路线
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So, being naive,
and being half-German, I decided,
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所以,作为半个天真的德国人,我决定
09:34
"Aris, why don't you build your own map?"
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“阿里斯,你为什么不自己弄张地图?”
09:37
So that's what I did.
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于是,我调查了
09:39
I researched how each and every bus route
moved through the city, nice and logical,
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城市里每一条巴士线路是怎样的
把每一条巴士线路分别画出来,工整又符合逻辑
09:45
every bus route a separate line.
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09:47
I plotted it into my own map of Dublin,
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我把它结合到我自己的都柏林地图上
在市中心
09:51
and in the city center ...
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09:53
I got a nice spaghetti plate.
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我画了个漂亮的意面盘子(笑声)
09:55
(Laughter)
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这看上去有点乱了,所以我决定
09:58
Now, this is a bit of a mess,
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10:01
so I decided, of course,
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10:03
"You're going to apply
the rules of schematic design,"
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应用原理图设计的原则
10:06
cleaning up the corridors,
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去掉杂物,加宽街道
10:08
widening the streets
where there were loads of buses
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画上一排排的巴士线路
10:11
and making the streets at straight,
90-degree corners, 45-degree corners
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把街道线拉直,转角画成90度、45度,或成比例的角度
10:16
or fractions of that,
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10:17
and filled it in with the bus routes.
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画上巴士路线。这是我
10:20
And I built this city center
bus map of the system,
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画出来的五年前的公交线路图
10:24
how it was five years ago.
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10:26
I'll zoom in again
so that you get the full impact
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我放大这里,这样你们就能充分看出
10:28
of the quays and Westmoreland Street.
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码头和威斯特摩兰街的完整效果(笑声)
10:31
(Laughter)
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现在我可以自豪地说(鼓掌)
10:34
Now I can proudly say --
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10:36
(Applause)
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10:42
I can proudly say,
as a public transport map,
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我可以自豪地说,作为一张公交图
10:46
this diagram is an utter failure.
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这张图是个彻头彻尾的失败(笑声)
10:50
(Laughter)
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10:52
Except, probably, in one aspect:
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只除了一点好处
10:54
I now had a great visual representation
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我现在有了一个强有力的视觉展示
10:57
of just how clogged up and overrun
the city center really was.
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来显示市中心是多么的拥挤、超负荷
11:01
Now, call me old-fashioned,
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你可以说我这样太老土,但我认为
11:04
but I think a public transport
route map should have lines,
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公交线路图必须要有线条
11:07
because that's what they are, yeah?
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因为它们就是线。对不对?
它们各自进行线性运动
11:10
They're little pieces of string
that wrap their way
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11:13
through the city center
or through the city.
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穿过市中心,或穿过整个城市
11:15
If you will, the Greek guy inside of me
feels if I don't get a line,
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我体内的那半个希腊人觉得,如果没有线条,
我就会像(希腊神话里的)阿里阿德涅公主
11:21
it's like entering
the labyrinth of the Minotaur
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11:24
without having Ariadne giving you
the string to find your way.
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进入牛头怪的迷宫,却没有带线团。
11:27
So the outcome of my academic research,
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所以我的学术研究、
11:31
loads of questionnaires, case studies
and looking at a lot of maps,
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成堆的问卷、案例研究、
还有地图查看的结果,就是
11:38
was that a lot of the problems
and shortcomings
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都柏林公交系统的问题和不足在于
11:41
of the public transport
system here in Dublin
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11:43
was the lack of a coherent
public transport map --
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缺少一张条理清楚的公交图
11:45
a simplified, coherent
public transport map --
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一张简化的、条理清晰的地图
11:48
because I think this is the crucial
step to understanding
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我认为这是非常重要的一步
来从物理层面理解公共交通网络
11:52
a public transport network
on a physical level,
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11:55
but it's also the crucial step to make
a public transport network mappable
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也是至关重要的一步
来让公交网络可以用视觉地图来展示
11:59
on a visual level.
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12:01
So I teamed up with a gentleman
called James Leahy,
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我与一位叫做詹姆士.李的绅士合作
12:05
a civil engineer and a recent
master's graduate
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他是一名土木工程师,也是都柏林理工学院
12:08
of the Sustainable Development
program at DIT,
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可持续发展硕士项目最近的毕业生
12:12
and together we drafted
the simplified model network,
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我们共同起草了这个简化的网络模型
12:16
which I could then go ahead and visualize.
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我可以进一步去做视觉化的工作
12:19
So here's what we did.
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这是成果
12:21
We distributed these rapid-transport
corridors throughout the city center,
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我们分派了这些快速公交换乘点
覆盖了整个市中心区域,并延伸到郊区
12:28
and extended them into the outskirts.
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12:31
Rapid, because we wanted them to be served
by rapid-transport vehicles.
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叫它们“快速”,因为我们希望它们
能够使用快速的交通工具,对吧?
12:37
They would get exclusive
road use, where possible,
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如有可能,它们可以享有优先行驶权,
这样它将会成为高数量、高质量的交通方式。
12:41
and it would be high-quantity,
high-quality transport.
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12:43
James wanted to use
bus rapid transport for that,
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詹姆士希望使用快速公交
12:46
rather than light rail.
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而非轻轨。而我认为重要的是
12:47
For me, it was important
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通过这些快速交通换乘站的交通工具
12:50
that the vehicles that would run
on those rapid transport corridors
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与街道上行驶的一般公交车要有显著区别
12:54
would be visibly distinguishable
from local buses on the street.
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12:59
Now we could take out all the local buses
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我们去掉所有的区间车
13:03
that ran alongside
those rapid transport means.
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以免与同一路线上的快速公交方式混淆
13:06
Any gaps that appeared
in the outskirts were filled again.
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郊区出现的空档再次被填满
13:09
So, in other words,
if there was a street in an outskirt
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换句话说,如果郊区有一条路
13:12
where there had been a bus,
we put a bus back in,
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从前有巴士经过,就把这条线路放回去
13:15
only now these buses wouldn't run
all the way to the city center,
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只是这些巴士线路不再画到市中心去了
13:20
but connect to the nearest
rapid-transport mode,
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只是连接到最近的快速换乘点
13:23
one of these thick lines over there.
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就像这里的一条粗线
剩下的活儿只需要在干几个月
13:26
So the rest was merely
a couple of months of work,
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13:29
and a couple of fights with my girlfriend,
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我跟女朋友还为住处的布置吵过几架
13:31
of our place constantly
being clogged up with maps,
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因为到处都堆满了地图
13:35
and the outcome, one of the outcomes,
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这份地图是其中的一个成果
13:37
was this map of the Greater Dublin area.
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大都柏林区域的地图。我放大一点
13:40
I'll zoom in a little bit.
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13:43
This map only shows the rapid
transport connections, no local bus,
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这张图只显示快速线路
没有区间车,采用了与地铁图相近的风格
13:47
very much in the "metro map" style
that was so successful in London,
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伦敦那种非常成功的地铁图的风格
13:53
and that since has been exported
to so many other major cities,
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被其他许多大城市借鉴采用
13:57
and therefore is the language
that we should use
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所以这应该是我们
绘制公交地图使用的语言
14:00
for public transport maps.
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还有一点很重要,像这样一个简化的网络
14:03
What's also important is,
with a simplified network like this,
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14:08
it now would become possible for me
to tackle the ultimate challenge
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让我有可能去
挑战那个终极的困难
为市中心绘制公交图
14:14
and make a public transport map
for the city center,
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14:17
one where I wouldn't just show
rapid transport connections,
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它不只是快速交通网络
14:20
but also all the local bus routes,
streets and the likes,
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同样也包括区间车和街道
14:24
and this is what a map
like this could look like.
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这就是样品
14:26
I'll zoom in a little bit.
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我放大一些
这张地图囊括了每一种交通模式
14:31
In this map, I'm including
each transport mode,
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14:36
so rapid transport, bus,
DART, tram and the likes.
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快速交通、公交车、DART、有轨电车、等等
14:41
Each individual route
is represented by a separate line.
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每一条线路都用一条单独的线来表示
地图显示出每一个站点
14:48
The map shows each and every station,
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14:52
each and every station name,
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每一个站点名
我也标示了次要街道
14:56
and I'm also displaying side streets.
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15:00
In fact, most of the side streets
even with their name,
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事实上我甚至标注了大部分街道的名称,
15:04
and for good measure,
also a couple of landmarks,
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并且为了增加准确度,我也标注了一些地标,
有一些被小的符号标记,
15:09
some of them signified by little symbols,
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15:11
others by these isometric
three-dimensional
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另外的标上等大的三维
15:14
bird's-eye-view drawings.
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鸟瞰图
15:16
The map is relatively small
in overall size,
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整张地图的大小可以略小一些
15:19
so something that you could
still hold as a fold-out map
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这样你就能像一般的折叠地图一样随身携带
15:22
or display in a reasonably-sized
display box on a bus shelter.
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或者在巴士站以合适的尺寸展示
15:26
I think it tries to be the best balance
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我认为它很好地达到了
15:30
between actual representation
and simplification --
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真实与简化之间的平衡
那是我们脑中找路方法的语言
15:34
the language of way-finding in our brain.
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15:39
So, straightened lines,
cleaned-up corners,
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直线,转角
15:42
and of course, that very, very
important geographic distortion
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还有最最重要的
让公交图成为可能的地理变形
15:46
that makes public transport maps possible.
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比如说,当你看这两个贯穿城市的
15:50
If you, for example, have a look
at the two main corridors
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主要线路
15:52
that run through the city --
the yellow and orange one over here --
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黄色的和橙色的
15:56
this is how they look in an actual,
accurate street map,
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这是他们真实的位置
15:59
and this is how they would
look in my distorted,
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这是经过我的变形后
16:03
simplified public transport map.
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简化了的公交图
16:06
So for a successful public transport map,
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要想做出一张成功的公交图
16:09
we should not stick
to accurate representation,
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我们不应拘泥于标注绝对真实
而要顺应大脑的原理来设计
16:12
but design them in the way
our brains work.
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16:14
The reactions I got were tremendous,
it was really good to see.
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我得到的回应是巨大的,这太好了
当然了,对于我自己来说,我非常高兴能看到
16:18
And of course, for my own self,
I was very happy to see
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16:21
that my folks in Germany and Greece
finally have an idea
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我在德国和希腊的家人
终于知道我是干什么的了。(笑声)谢谢你们。(鼓掌)
16:25
what I do for a living.
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16:26
(Laughter)
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16:27
Thank you.
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16:28
(Applause)
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