Paul Bloom: Can prejudice ever be a good thing?

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翻译人员: Zhiting Chen 校对人员: Geoff Chen
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When we think about prejudice and bias,
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当我们想到偏见和偏爱,
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we tend to think about stupid and evil people
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我们总会联想到愚蠢又邪恶的人
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doing stupid and evil things.
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做着愚蠢且邪恶的事。
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And this idea is nicely summarized
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英国评论家威廉‧哈兹里特
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by the British critic William Hazlitt,
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非常好地总结了这个想法,
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who wrote, "Prejudice is the child of ignorance."
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他写道,“偏见是无知的幼子”
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I want to try to convince you here
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我想要试图游说你
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that this is mistaken.
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这是错误的。
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I want to try to convince you
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我想要向你证明
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that prejudice and bias
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偏见和偏爱
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are natural, they're often rational,
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是自然而然的, 它们时常是理性的,
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and they're often even moral,
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时常甚至是道德的,
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and I think that once we understand this,
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我想当我们理解这,
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we're in a better position to make sense of them
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当它出现问题的时候
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when they go wrong,
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当它可能造成严重后果的时候,
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when they have horrible consequences,
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我们会有更好的应对方式,
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and we're in a better position to know what to do
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当这一切发生的时候,
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when this happens.
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我们会知道要如何处理。
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So, start with stereotypes. You look at me,
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好,让我们从“成见”开始聊起。 你看着我,
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you know my name, you know certain facts about me,
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你知道我的名字, 以及一些关于我的事情,
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and you could make certain judgments.
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你可以做出一定的判断。
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You could make guesses about my ethnicity,
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你可以猜测我的种族,
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my political affiliation, my religious beliefs.
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我的政治倾向,我的宗教信仰
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And the thing is, these judgments tend to be accurate.
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这些判断似乎可以是准确的。
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We're very good at this sort of thing.
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我们对这些事非常擅长。
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And we're very good at this sort of thing
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我们非常善于这些事的原因是
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because our ability to stereotype people
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我们“定义”他人的能力
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is not some sort of arbitrary quirk of the mind,
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不是非常武断的意识行为,
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but rather it's a specific instance
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而是一个综合过程
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of a more general process,
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的特定反应,
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which is that we have experience
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这意谓着,当我们对所经历过的
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with things and people in the world
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世界上发生的人与事
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that fall into categories,
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做出分类,
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and we can use our experience to make generalizations
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我们可以用经验来
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about novel instances of these categories.
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做出反应,
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So everybody here has a lot of experience
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这里的每个人都有很多经验
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with chairs and apples and dogs,
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椅子,苹果,狗
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and based on this, you could see
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根据这些物件,你可以看到
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unfamiliar examples and you could guess,
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不熟悉的例子,并且你可以猜测,
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you could sit on the chair,
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你可以坐在这张椅子上,
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you could eat the apple, the dog will bark.
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你可以吃这个苹果, 狗会对着你叫。
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Now we might be wrong.
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我们可能是错的。
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The chair could collapse if you sit on it,
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当你坐在椅子上的时候, 椅子可能会塌,
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the apple might be poison, the dog might not bark,
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苹果可能是有毒的, 狗未必会叫,
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and in fact, this is my dog Tessie, who doesn't bark.
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事实上,这是我的狗泰西, 它不叫。
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But for the most part, we're good at this.
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但在大多数情况下, 我们对此很擅长。
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For the most part, we make good guesses
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在大多数情况下, 我们的猜测是合理的
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both in the social domain and the non-social domain,
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在社会领域或其他领域,
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and if we weren't able to do so,
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如果我们不具有这样的能力,
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if we weren't able to make guesses about new instances that we encounter,
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如果我们没有办法对出现的新鲜事物 做出正确的猜测,
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we wouldn't survive.
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我们将无法生存。
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And in fact, Hazlitt later on in his wonderful essay
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事实上,哈兹里特后来 在他的佳作中
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concedes this.
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对此评论做出了让步。
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He writes, "Without the aid of prejudice and custom,
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他写道,“如果没有偏见和风俗习惯的帮助,
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I should not be able to find my way my across the room;
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我将无法找到穿越房间的路;
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nor know how to conduct myself in any circumstances,
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也无法知晓自己在不同条件下 要做出怎样的行为反应,
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nor what to feel in any relation of life."
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也无法体会人生关系中的任何感觉。”
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Or take bias.
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现在来讨论偏爱。
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Now sometimes, we break the world up into
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有时候,我们将世界划分为
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us versus them, into in-group versus out-group,
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我们对抗他们, 内群体对抗外群体,
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and sometimes when we do this,
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有时当我们这么做的时候,
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we know we're doing something wrong,
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我们知道我们正在犯错误,
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and we're kind of ashamed of it.
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我们甚至会有些惭愧。
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But other times we're proud of it.
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但其他时间,我们对此很自豪。
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We openly acknowledge it.
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我们公开承认。
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And my favorite example of this
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我最喜欢的例子
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is a question that came from the audience
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是一个来自观众的问题
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in a Republican debate prior to the last election.
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在一个选前的共和党辩论。
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(Video) Anderson Cooper: Gets to your question,
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(视频)安德森·库柏:问答时间,
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the question in the hall, on foreign aid? Yes, ma'am.
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观众提问,有关对外援助? 有请这位女士。
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Woman: The American people are suffering
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女士:在美国国内,有很多
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in our country right now.
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美国人民正在经受苦难。
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Why do we continue to send foreign aid
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为什么我们要持续为其他国家
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to other countries
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提供援助呢?
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when we need all the help we can get for ourselves?
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此时我们需要这些援助 使用在本国人身上。
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AC: Governor Perry, what about that?
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安德森·库柏: 州长佩里,请您解答?
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
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Rick Perry: Absolutely, I think it's—
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里克·佩里:绝对的,我认为--
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Paul Bloom: Each of the people onstage
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保罗·布鲁姆:这个台上的每个人
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agreed with the premise of her question,
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同意她问题的前提,
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which is as Americans, we should care more
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这个前提就是作为美国人, 我们应该将
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about Americans than about other people.
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更多的关注给予本国人民 而不是其他人民。
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And in fact, in general, people are often swayed
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事实上,总的来说, 人们时常容易受到影响
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by feelings of solidarity, loyalty, pride, patriotism,
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对他们国家以及种族 诸如团结,忠诚,
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towards their country or towards their ethnic group.
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自豪以及爱国主义。
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Regardless of your politics, many people feel proud to be American,
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不谈政治倾向,很多人对他们 美国人的身份感到自豪,
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and they favor Americans over other countries.
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他们偏爱美国多于其他国家。
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Residents of other countries feel the same about their nation,
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其他国家的人们 也持有这样的态度,
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and we feel the same about our ethnicities.
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人们对自己的种族 也是如此。
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Now some of you may reject this.
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一些人会反对这种说法。
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Some of you may be so cosmopolitan
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你们中的某些人可能 是世界主义者,
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that you think that ethnicity and nationality
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会认为种族和国籍
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should hold no moral sway.
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不该影响到人们。
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But even you sophisticates accept
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但是,即便如此,
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that there should be some pull
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你仍然会接受
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towards the in-group in the domain of friends and family,
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群体可以以朋友和家人来做划分,
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of people you're close to,
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那些与你更亲近的人们
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and so even you make a distinction
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甚至你也会做一个划分
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between us versus them.
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区别我们和他们,
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Now, this distinction is natural enough
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这些区别是自然而然的
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and often moral enough, but it can go awry,
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时常也是道德的, 但有时也会出错,
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and this was part of the research
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这是伟大的社会心理学家
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of the great social psychologist Henri Tajfel.
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亨利·泰吉弗尔研究的一个部分。
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Tajfel was born in Poland in 1919.
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泰吉弗尔生于1919年的波兰。
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He left to go to university in France,
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他离开家乡去法国上大学,
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because as a Jew, he couldn't go to university in Poland,
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因为他是犹太人, 无法在波兰接受大学教育,
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and then he enlisted in the French military
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随后在第二次世界大战
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in World War II.
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他应募入伍加入法军。
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He was captured and ended up
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他被捕了随后被送到
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in a prisoner of war camp,
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战俘营,
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and it was a terrifying time for him,
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对他来说这是非常恐怖的经历,
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because if it was discovered that he was a Jew,
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因为如果一旦发现他是犹太人,
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he could have been moved to a concentration camp,
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他便会被移送到集中营,
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where he most likely would not have survived.
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很难活下来。
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And in fact, when the war ended and he was released,
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事实上,当战争结束的时候, 他被释放了,
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most of his friends and family were dead.
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绝大多数他的亲友都死亡了。
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He got involved in different pursuits.
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他参与不同的活动。
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He helped out the war orphans.
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他帮助战争孤儿。
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But he had a long-lasting interest
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但他对偏见科学
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in the science of prejudice,
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有着极高的兴趣
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and so when a prestigious British scholarship
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因此当一个极有声望的, 有关“刻板印象成见”
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on stereotypes opened up, he applied for it,
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的英国奖学金机会释出的时候, 他递交了申请,
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and he won it,
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并拿到了奖学金,
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and then he began this amazing career.
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这使他开启了精彩的职业生涯。
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And what started his career is an insight
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他的职业开始于发觉
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that the way most people were thinking
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当绝大多数人思考大屠杀是错误的
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about the Holocaust was wrong.
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采取了怎样的方法。
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Many people, most people at the time,
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很多人,那时候的绝大多数人,
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viewed the Holocaust as sort of representing
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将大屠杀视为
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some tragic flaw on the part of the Germans,
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代表某种德国人的悲剧错误,
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some genetic taint, some authoritarian personality.
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像是基因污点,威权性格。
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And Tajfel rejected this.
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泰吉弗尔拒绝这样的解释。
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Tajfel said what we see in the Holocaust
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他说道,大屠杀
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is just an exaggeration
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只是夸大了
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of normal psychological processes
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正常的心理状态
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that exist in every one of us.
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这样的心理状态存在于 我们中的每一个人。
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And to explore this, he did a series of classic studies
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为了继续研究, 他做了一系列的经典研究
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with British adolescents.
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有关英国青少年。
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And in one of his studies, what he did was he asked
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在他的其中一项研究中, 他去询问
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the British adolescents all sorts of questions,
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英国青少年各种不同的问题,
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and then based on their answers, he said,
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基于他们的回答,他说,
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"I've looked at your answers, and based on the answers,
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“我看过你的答案, 基于你的回答,
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I have determined that you are either" —
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我决定你是”--
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he told half of them —
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他告诉青少年中一半的人--
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"a Kandinsky lover, you love the work of Kandinsky,
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“康定斯基迷, 你喜爱康定斯基的作品,
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or a Klee lover, you love the work of Klee."
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你是克利迷, 你喜爱克利的画作。”
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It was entirely bogus.
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这完全是胡编的。
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Their answers had nothing to do with Kandinsky or Klee.
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这些青少年的答案和康定斯基 或者克利一点关系也没有。
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They probably hadn't heard of the artists.
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他们甚至还未听说过 这两位艺术家的大名。
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He just arbitrarily divided them up.
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泰吉弗尔只是武断地 把青少年们划分开来。
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But what he found was, these categories mattered,
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但他发现,这样的类别划分 是有作用的,
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so when he later gave the subjects money,
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随后,他让这些青少年分配钱,
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they would prefer to give the money
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他们更愿意将金钱给予
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to members of their own group
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他们本组的其他人
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than members of the other group.
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而不是另一个组别的人。
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Worse, they were actually most interested
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更糟的是,他们真的很乐于
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in establishing a difference
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建立一个不同来将
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between their group and other groups,
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自己的组和他组区分开来,
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so they would give up money for their own group
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为了令别组少拿到些钱
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if by doing so they could give the other group even less.
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他们甚至愿意放弃自己的钱。
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This bias seems to show up very early.
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偏爱很快就展现出来。
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So my colleague and wife, Karen Wynn, at Yale
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我的妻子也是我的同事,凯伦·维恩, 在耶鲁大学
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has done a series of studies with babies
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做了一系列有关婴儿的研究
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where she exposes babies to puppets,
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她将幼儿放在玩偶旁边,
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and the puppets have certain food preferences.
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玩偶有它们各自喜爱的食物。
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So one of the puppets might like green beans.
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某个玩偶可能喜爱青豆。
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The other puppet might like graham crackers.
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另个玩偶更爱全麦饼干。
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They test the babies own food preferences,
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研究人员测试了 幼儿们自身的食物偏好
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and babies typically prefer the graham crackers.
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幼儿们代表性地更爱全麦饼干。
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But the question is, does this matter to babies
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问题是,这样的喜好差别
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in how they treat the puppets? And it matters a lot.
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会影响到幼儿们对待玩偶的态度吗? 确实有很大影响。
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They tend to prefer the puppet
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幼儿们更喜欢
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who has the same food tastes that they have,
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和他们有相同口味偏好的玩具,
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and worse, they actually prefer puppets
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更糟的是,幼儿们喜欢那些惩罚
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who punish the puppet with the different food taste.
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拥有不同口味同伴的玩偶。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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We see this sort of in-group, out-group psychology all the time.
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这样群体内外分别 非常常见。
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We see it in political clashes
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政治冲突中也会展现
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within groups with different ideologies.
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在持有不同意识形态的群体。
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We see it in its extreme in cases of war,
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极端的例子通过战争展现,
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where the out-group isn't merely given less,
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外群体不是被轻视
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but dehumanized,
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而是被不当作人类对待,
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as in the Nazi perspective of Jews
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如同纳粹视犹太人为
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as vermin or lice,
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害虫或是虱子,
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or the American perspective of Japanese as rats.
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美国人视日本人为老鼠。
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Stereotypes can also go awry.
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刻板印象是会歪曲现实的。
07:16
So often they're rational and useful,
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因此时常他们是理性的,有帮助的,
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but sometimes they're irrational,
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但时常也会是非理性的,
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they give the wrong answers,
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会给出错误的答案,
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and other times
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有时
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they lead to plainly immoral consequences.
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会导致不道德的后果。
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And the case that's been most studied
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最常被研究的案例
07:27
is the case of race.
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是种族。
07:29
There was a fascinating study
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在 2008 年美国大选前
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prior to the 2008 election
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有个极好的研究,
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where social psychologists looked at the extent
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社会心理学家研究
07:35
to which the candidates were associated with America,
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被测者们是如何通过 对美国国旗不知不觉的联系
07:39
as in an unconscious association with the American flag.
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和美国联系在一起的。
07:43
And in one of their studies they compared
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在其中一个研究中, 他们比较了
07:44
Obama and McCain, and they found McCain
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奥巴马和麦凯恩, 他们发现麦凯恩
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is thought of as more American than Obama,
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比奥巴马更加“美国”,
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and to some extent, people aren't that surprised by hearing that.
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某种程度上, 人们甚至并未表示惊讶。
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McCain is a celebrated war hero,
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麦凯恩是一个著名的 战争英雄,
07:54
and many people would explicitly say
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很多人明确地说道
07:55
he has more of an American story than Obama.
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比起奥巴马, 麦凯恩有更多的美国故事。
07:58
But they also compared Obama
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研究人员也比对了
08:00
to British Prime Minister Tony Blair,
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奥巴马和英国首相布莱尔,
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and they found that Blair was also thought of
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他们发现比起奥巴马
08:05
as more American than Obama,
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人们认为 布莱尔更加“美国”,
08:07
even though subjects explicitly understood
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即使他们完全知晓
08:09
that he's not American at all.
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布莱尔根本不是美国人。
08:12
But they were responding, of course,
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但人们回应,当然,
08:14
to the color of his skin.
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因为肤色的原因。
08:17
These stereotypes and biases
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这样的成见和偏好
08:19
have real-world consequences,
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有着现世的影响,
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both subtle and very important.
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这有些微妙,也非常重要。
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In one recent study, researchers
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在最近的一个研究中, 研究人员
08:26
put ads on eBay for the sale of baseball cards.
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在易趣(eBay)网站上投放广告 销售篮球卡。
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Some of them were held by white hands,
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有些卖家是白人,
08:32
others by black hands.
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另一些则是黑人。
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They were the same baseball cards.
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同样的实验也包括销售棒球卡。
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The ones held by black hands
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黑人卖家
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got substantially smaller bids
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得到的来自买家的出价 价位略小于
08:38
than the ones held by white hands.
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白人卖家。
08:41
In research done at Stanford,
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在斯坦福的一个研究项目也表明,
08:43
psychologists explored the case of people
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心理学家研究了
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sentenced for the murder of a white person.
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因谋杀白人而被判刑的罪犯。
08:51
It turns out, holding everything else constant,
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结果表明,除去其他因素,
08:53
you are considerably more likely to be executed
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比起图片左边的人(白人)
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if you look like the man on the right
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图片右边的人(黑人)
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than the man on the left,
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更可能被判死刑,
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and this is in large part because
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这很大程度归结于
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the man on the right looks more prototypically black,
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图片右边的人是黑人,
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more prototypically African-American,
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美国黑人,
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and this apparently influences people's decisions
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很明显这影响到了人们
09:09
over what to do about him.
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对他所做出的决定。
09:11
So now that we know about this,
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现在我们知道了 成见和偏爱的存在,
09:12
how do we combat it?
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我们要怎样对抗这样的想法呢?
09:14
And there are different avenues.
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有很多不同的方法。
09:15
One avenue is to appeal
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一个方法是去感化
09:17
to people's emotional responses,
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人们的情感,
09:19
to appeal to people's empathy,
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去令人们感同身受,
09:21
and we often do that through stories.
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通常我们会用故事 来达到这样的效果。
09:23
So if you are a liberal parent
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如果你是自由的父母
09:25
and you want to encourage your children
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你想要鼓励你的孩子
09:27
to believe in the merits of nontraditional families,
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来相信非传统家庭的价值优点,
09:30
you might give them a book like this. ["Heather Has Two Mommies"]
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你会给他们看这样的书。 [海瑟有两个妈妈]
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If you are conservative and have a different attitude,
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如果你比较传统 对此持有不同的态度,
09:34
you might give them a book like this.
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你会给他们看这本书
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(Laughter) ["Help! Mom! There Are Liberals under My Bed!"]
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(笑声) [“救命呀!妈妈!自由党人藏在我的床下!”]
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But in general, stories can turn
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总的来说,故事能够
09:41
anonymous strangers into people who matter,
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让路人从陌生到关注,
09:43
and the idea that we care about people
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我们在乎人们
09:46
when we focus on them as individuals
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当我们将他们是做个体
09:47
is an idea which has shown up across history.
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这样的思想贯穿人类历史。
09:50
So Stalin apocryphally said,
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因此,斯大林虚情假意地说,
09:52
"A single death is a tragedy,
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“一个人死亡是悲剧,
09:54
a million deaths is a statistic,"
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一百万人的死亡则是统计数据,”
09:56
and Mother Teresa said,
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特蕾莎修女说道,
09:57
"If I look at the mass, I will never act.
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"假如我看到一群人, 我不会有所行动。
09:59
If I look at the one, I will."
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假如我看到一个人,我会。"
10:01
Psychologists have explored this.
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心理学家对此作出研究。
10:03
For instance, in one study,
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比方说,在一个研究中,
10:05
people were given a list of facts about a crisis,
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研究人员交给人们一张清单, 上面列举了一些危急的例子,
10:07
and it was seen how much they would donate
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看人们愿意为了化解危机
10:12
to solve this crisis,
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捐赠多少,
10:13
and another group was given no facts at all
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另一个组则未被告知这些事情
10:15
but they were told of an individual
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但研究人员告诉他们
10:17
and given a name and given a face,
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个体故事,包括名字,相片,
10:20
and it turns out that they gave far more.
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结果是,他们比上一组捐赠更多善款。
10:23
None of this I think is a secret
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上述故事对于从事
10:25
to the people who are engaged in charity work.
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慈善工作的人来说都不是秘密。
10:27
People don't tend to deluge people
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慈善工作者不会向人们
10:29
with facts and statistics.
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展示大量的事实和数据。
10:31
Rather, you show them faces,
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而是,给人们看相片,
10:32
you show them people.
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展示灾民的样子。
10:33
It's possible that by extending our sympathies
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很有可能的是,通过展现我们
10:37
to an individual, they can spread
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对于个体的同情,
10:39
to the group that the individual belongs to.
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他们可以进而展示个体从属的群体。
10:42
This is Harriet Beecher Stowe.
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这是哈里耶持·比彻·斯托。
10:44
The story, perhaps apocryphal,
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故事,可能是假的,
10:46
is that President Lincoln invited her
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林肯总统邀请她
10:49
to the White House in the middle of the Civil War
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在美国内战期间到白宫
10:51
and said to her,
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对她说,
10:52
"So you're the little lady who started this great war."
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“你是开始这场战争的女子。”
10:55
And he was talking about "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
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他谈到“汤姆叔叔的小屋。”
10:57
"Uncle Tom's Cabin" is not a great book of philosophy
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“汤姆叔叔的小屋”不是 伟大的哲学或宗教故事
10:59
or of theology or perhaps not even literature,
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甚至可能都不是文学,
11:02
but it does a great job
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但它起了很大的作用
11:05
of getting people to put themselves in the shoes
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在人们能够将自己置身于某个故事
11:07
of people they wouldn't otherwise be in the shoes of,
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那些本不可能属于他们的故事中,
11:10
put themselves in the shoes of slaves.
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以奴隶的角度来看世界。
11:12
And that could well have been a catalyst
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这些是催化剂,
11:14
for great social change.
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催生巨大的社会变革。
11:15
More recently, looking at America
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近年来,看看美国
11:18
in the last several decades,
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在过去几十年的表现,
11:21
there's some reason to believe that shows like "The Cosby Show"
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太多的原因让我们相信 像是“考斯比一家”
11:24
radically changed American attitudes towards African-Americans,
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从更本上改变了美国人 对美国黑人的看法,
11:27
while shows like "Will and Grace" and "Modern Family"
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“威尔与格蕾丝”,“摩登家庭”
11:30
changed American attitudes
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改变了很多美国人
11:31
towards gay men and women.
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对同性恋男女的态度。
11:32
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say
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不夸张地说,
11:35
that the major catalyst in America for moral change
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对美国道德价值改变 做出最大贡献的
11:38
has been a situation comedy.
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是情景喜剧。
11:40
But it's not all emotions,
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但这并不全是情感上的,
11:42
and I want to end by appealing
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最后我想要谈到
11:43
to the power of reason.
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理性的力量。
11:45
At some point in his wonderful book
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在他佳作的某些部分
11:47
"The Better Angels of Our Nature,"
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“唤醒人性中的天使”
11:49
Steven Pinker says,
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史蒂文·平克说道,
11:51
the Old Testament says love thy neighbor,
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旧约说到要爱我们的邻居,
11:53
and the New Testament says love thy enemy,
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新约说到要爱我们的敌人,
11:56
but I don't love either one of them, not really,
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但我不爱他们中的任何一个,不尽然,
11:59
but I don't want to kill them.
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但我不想杀了他们。
12:00
I know I have obligations to them,
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我知道我有义务对他们,
12:02
but my moral feelings to them, my moral beliefs
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但我对他们的道德感受,
12:06
about how I should behave towards them,
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我要如何对待他们的道德信念,
12:07
aren't grounded in love.
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不会是基于爱。
12:09
What they're grounded in is the understanding of human rights,
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是基于对人权的理解,
12:11
a belief that their life is as valuable to them
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他们的生命对他们的价值
12:14
as my life is to me,
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正如我的生命对我的价值,
12:16
and to support this, he tells a story
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为了支持这个观点, 他讲了一个故事,
12:18
by the great philosopher Adam Smith,
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关于伟大的哲人亚当·斯密,
12:20
and I want to tell this story too,
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我现在讲这个故事,
12:21
though I'm going to modify it a little bit
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我为了使其适应现代
12:23
for modern times.
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略微做了改动。
12:24
So Adam Smith starts by asking you to imagine
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亚当斯密让你来想象
12:26
the death of thousands of people,
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数千人死亡的场景,
12:28
and imagine that the thousands of people
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想象这数千人
12:30
are in a country you are not familiar with.
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是在你不熟悉的国家。
12:33
It could be China or India or a country in Africa.
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可能是中国,或者是印度, 或者是某个非洲国家。
12:36
And Smith says, how would you respond?
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斯密说到,你会怎样回应?
12:39
And you would say, well that's too bad,
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你可能会说,这太糟了,
12:41
and you'd go on to the rest of your life.
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然后继续你的生活。
12:43
If you were to open up The New York Times online or something,
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如果你打开纽约时报的网站或什么,
12:45
and discover this, and in fact this happens to us all the time,
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看到这些消息,事实上 这常发生,
12:48
we go about our lives.
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我们继续我们的生活。
12:49
But imagine instead, Smith says,
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斯密说,想象另一个画面:
12:52
you were to learn that tomorrow
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你发现明天
12:53
you were to have your little finger chopped off.
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你的小手指会被砍掉。
12:55
Smith says, that would matter a lot.
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斯密说,这太重要了。
12:58
You would not sleep that night
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你整晚会睡不着觉
12:59
wondering about that.
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辗转反侧。
13:00
So this raises the question:
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这就提出了问题:
13:02
Would you sacrifice thousands of lives
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你会牺牲数千人的生命
13:05
to save your little finger?
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以求得保全自己小手指吗?
13:07
Now answer this in the privacy of your own head,
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现在在自己的脑袋里 回答这个问题,
13:09
but Smith says, absolutely not,
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但是斯密说,绝对不,
13:12
what a horrid thought.
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这是多么邪恶的想法。
13:14
And so this raises the question,
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这就提出了问题,
13:16
and so, as Smith puts it,
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随后,斯密提出这样的疑问,
13:17
"When our passive feelings are almost always
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“我们的消极情绪总是
13:19
so sordid and so selfish,
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如此利欲熏心,自私卑鄙,
13:21
how comes it that our active principles
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我们的行为又怎么可能
13:22
should often be so generous and so noble?"
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时常很无私和高尚呢?”
13:25
And Smith's answer is, "It is reason,
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斯密回答道,“因为理性,
13:27
principle, conscience.
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道德,良知。”
13:29
[This] calls to us,
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[这] 告诉我们
13:30
with a voice capable of astonishing the most presumptuous of our passions,
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能够惊人地绝大部分 爆发我们的激情,
13:34
that we are but one of the multitude,
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但众多思考中,
13:35
in no respect better than any other in it."
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没有比尊重更重要。“
13:38
And this last part is what is often described
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最后的这个部分是有关
13:40
as the principle of impartiality.
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公正的原则。
13:43
And this principle of impartiality manifests itself
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这样公正的原则
13:46
in all of the world's religions,
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在全世界宗教中都有所证明,
13:47
in all of the different versions of the golden rule,
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在各种不同版本的黄金法则,
13:50
and in all of the world's moral philosophies,
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世界上所有的道德哲学,
13:52
which differ in many ways
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即使有所不同
13:53
but share the presupposition that we should judge morality
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但共有的假设是 我们应该从
13:56
from sort of an impartial point of view.
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公正的角度来评判道德。
13:59
The best articulation of this view
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这观点最重要的是
14:01
is actually, for me, it's not from a theologian or from a philosopher,
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事实上,对我来说, 这不是从宗教学家或哲学家听来,
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but from Humphrey Bogart
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而是从亨弗莱·鲍嘉
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at the end of "Casablanca."
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在电影“卡萨布兰卡”片尾的表现。
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So, spoiler alert, he's telling his lover
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警告有剧透,他告诉他的爱人
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that they have to separate
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为了更伟大的善,
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for the more general good,
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他们必须要分开,
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and he says to her, and I won't do the accent,
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他对她说,我不会模仿这口音,
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but he says to her, "It doesn't take much to see
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他对她说“不用多久就可以看到
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that the problems of three little people
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这三个小人的问题
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don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world."
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不会使世界瘋狂。”
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Our reason could cause us to override our passions.
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我们的理性可以驾驭我们的热情。
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Our reason could motivate us
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我们的理性可以激励我们
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to extend our empathy,
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扩展我们的同理心,
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could motivate us to write a book like "Uncle Tom's Cabin,"
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可以激励我们写 “汤姆叔叔的小屋”这样的书
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or read a book like "Uncle Tom's Cabin,"
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或者看“汤姆叔叔的小屋”,
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and our reason can motivate us to create
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我们的理性可以促使我们
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customs and taboos and laws
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创造海关,烟草和法律
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that will constrain us
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这会限制我们
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from acting upon our impulses
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冲动的行为,
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when, as rational beings, we feel
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当理性存在,我们感到
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we should be constrained.
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我们要被限制。
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This is what a constitution is.
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这是宪法。
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A constitution is something which was set up in the past
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宪法是过去撰写的
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that applies now in the present,
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适用于现在以及未来,
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and what it says is,
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宪法提到的,
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no matter how much we might to reelect
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无论我们多想
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a popular president for a third term,
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选举受欢迎的总统 开始第三任期,
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no matter how much white Americans might choose
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无论美国白人多么想
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to feel that they want to reinstate the institution of slavery, we can't.
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重新回到奴隶制度,我们不能。
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We have bound ourselves.
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我们限制自己。
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And we bind ourselves in other ways as well.
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我们也从别的方式约束自己。
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We know that when it comes to choosing somebody
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当我们想要选择某人
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for a job, for an award,
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来从事一项工作,获得一个奖项,
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we are strongly biased by their race,
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我们很容易受到种族因素的影响,
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we are biased by their gender,
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我们会因他们的性别产生偏见,
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we are biased by how attractive they are,
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我们会因为他们的样貌产生偏爱,
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and sometimes we might say, "Well fine, that's the way it should be."
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有时我们会说, “是的,就是这样。”
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But other times we say, "This is wrong."
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有时我们会说,“这是错的。”
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And so to combat this,
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为了对抗这些,
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we don't just try harder,
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我们不仅更加努力,
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but rather what we do is we set up situations
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我们建立机构
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where these other sources of information can't bias us,
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这些信息资源不会有成见,
15:34
which is why many orchestras
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这就是为什么很多交响乐团
15:35
audition musicians behind screens,
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面试音乐家时, 让他们站在幕后,
15:38
so the only information they have
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这样评委唯一的信息来源
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is the information they believe should matter.
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就是他们认为最重要的。
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I think prejudice and bias
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我认为偏见和偏爱
15:44
illustrate a fundamental duality of human nature.
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展示了人性最基础的二元性。
15:47
We have gut feelings, instincts, emotions,
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我们有胆识,本能,情感,
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and they affect our judgments and our actions
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这会影响我们
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for good and for evil,
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对于好与坏的判断和行为,
15:55
but we are also capable of rational deliberation
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但我们同样有能力做出理性思考
15:59
and intelligent planning,
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和智能规划,
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and we can use these to, in some cases,
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我们可以运用这些,在某些情况下,
16:03
accelerate and nourish our emotions,
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加速和丰富我们的情绪,
16:05
and in other cases staunch them.
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某些情况下止住它们。
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And it's in this way
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这样成见和偏爱
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that reason helps us create a better world.
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就能帮助我们创建更美好的世界。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
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(Applause)
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