Stuart Brown: Play is more than fun

411,399 views ・ 2009-03-12

TED


请双击下面的英文字幕来播放视频。

翻译人员: Halei Liu 校对人员: Tony Yet
00:16
So, here we go: a flyby of play.
0
16160
3000
那么,我们开始了:一系列玩耍。
00:20
It's got to be serious if the New York Times
1
20160
4000
如果纽约时报在2月17号星期天的
00:24
puts a cover story of their February 17th Sunday magazine about play.
2
24160
6000
报纸上用封面故事报道玩耍,那一定是很严肃了。
00:30
At the bottom of this, it says, "It's deeper than gender.
3
30160
3000
在这个底部,写到:"这比性别还要深。
00:35
Seriously, but dangerously fun.
4
35160
3000
真的,但是危险的乐趣。
00:39
And a sandbox for new ideas about evolution."
5
39160
4000
而且一大堆关于进化的想法。“
00:44
Not bad, except if you look at that cover, what's missing?
6
44160
4000
不错,除了你是在看封面,什么被遗漏了?
00:48
You see any adults?
7
48160
2000
你看到任何成年人了吗?
00:51
Well, lets go back to the 15th century.
8
51160
3000
好吧,让我们回到15世纪。
00:55
This is a courtyard in Europe,
9
55160
3000
这是一个在欧洲的院子,
00:58
and a mixture of 124 different kinds of play.
10
58160
3000
共有124种不同的游戏。
01:02
All ages, solo play, body play, games, taunting.
11
62160
6000
老少皆宜,单独玩的,和身体有关的,游戏,玩耍。
01:08
And there it is. And I think this is a typical picture
12
68160
5000
好了,这里就是,我想这是描绘院子是怎么样的
01:13
of what it was like in a courtyard then.
13
73160
3000
一幅典型图片。
01:17
I think we may have lost something in our culture.
14
77160
3000
我想我们在我们的文化里漏掉了什么东西。
01:21
So I'm gonna take you through
15
81160
3000
我要跟你们讲讲,
01:24
what I think is a remarkable sequence.
16
84160
3000
什么是一个我认为有影响的事情。
01:28
North of Churchill, Manitoba, in October and November,
17
88160
3000
丘吉尔北部,马尼托巴省,在10月和11月,
01:31
there's no ice on Hudson Bay.
18
91160
2000
在哈得逊湾没有冰雪。
01:33
And this polar bear that you see, this 1200-pound male,
19
93160
3000
你看到的这只1200磅的雄性北极熊
01:36
he's wild and fairly hungry.
20
96160
4000
是野生的而且十分饥饿。
01:40
And Norbert Rosing, a German photographer,
21
100160
3000
诺贝特乐斯,一个德国摄影家,
01:43
is there on scene, making a series of photos of these huskies, who are tethered.
22
103160
6000
在拍摄一系列这些被栓住的哈士奇。
01:50
And from out of stage left comes this wild, male polar bear,
23
110160
4000
而走进这个画面的是一个雄性北极熊,
01:54
with a predatory gaze.
24
114160
3000
带有掠食者的眼神。
01:57
Any of you who've been to Africa or had a junkyard dog come after you,
25
117160
5000
任何去过非洲,或被一个恶狗追过的人,
02:02
there is a fixed kind of predatory gaze
26
122160
3000
都知道当你遇上这种眼神时,
02:05
that you know you're in trouble.
27
125160
2000
你就有麻烦了。
02:07
But on the other side of that predatory gaze
28
127160
2000
但是就在这种掠食者的眼神旁边,
02:09
is a female husky in a play bow, wagging her tail.
29
129160
5000
这是的一个雌性哈士奇,做出了一个玩耍的姿势,摇着它的尾巴。
02:14
And something very unusual happens.
30
134160
4000
然后一些不平常的事情发生了。
02:18
That fixed behavior -- which is rigid and stereotyped
31
138160
3000
一些定向的行为 -- 一些是被遥控的,注定的
02:21
and ends up with a meal -- changes.
32
141160
3000
以晚餐完结的事情 -- 变了。
02:25
And this polar bear
33
145160
2000
然后这个北极熊
02:27
stands over the husky,
34
147160
3000
站在哈士奇旁边。
02:30
no claws extended, no fangs taking a look.
35
150160
4000
没有伸爪,没有露出獠牙。
02:34
And they begin an incredible ballet.
36
154160
3000
然后他们开始了一个惊人的芭蕾。
02:41
A play ballet.
37
161160
1000
一个玩耍的芭蕾。
02:42
This is in nature: it overrides a carnivorous nature
38
162160
4000
这是在自然里:一个食肉性的自然里
02:46
and what otherwise would have been a short fight to the death.
39
166160
3000
一个会斗的你死我活的自然里。
02:50
And if you'll begin to look closely at the husky that's bearing her throat to the polar bear,
40
170160
5000
假如你仔细观察哈士奇是这样靠近北极熊的,
02:56
and look a little more closely, they're in an altered state.
41
176160
3000
看的再仔细一点,它们变换了状态。
03:00
They're in a state of play.
42
180160
3000
它们是在一个玩耍的状态里。
03:03
And it's that state
43
183160
2000
而那个状态
03:06
that allows these two creatures to explore the possible.
44
186160
4000
就允许了这两个生物去探索的可能。
03:10
They are beginning to do something that neither would have done
45
190160
3000
他们开始做了一些他们平常不会做的事情
03:13
without the play signals.
46
193160
3000
拜玩耍的信号所赐。
03:17
And it is a marvelous example
47
197160
3000
这就是一个了不起的例子
03:20
of how a differential in power
48
200160
3000
关于存在于我们之间
03:23
can be overridden by a process of nature that's within all of us.
49
203160
4000
一个自然力量可以被改写的例子。
03:27
Now how did I get involved in this?
50
207160
3000
现在讲讲我是这么参与进来的?
03:30
John mentioned that I've done some work with murderers, and I have.
51
210160
3000
乔提到我曾做过一些关于杀人犯的事情,是的,我做过。
03:33
The Texas Tower murderer opened my eyes,
52
213160
3000
德州塔凶手开阔了我的眼界 --
03:36
in retrospect, when we studied his tragic mass murder,
53
216160
5000
回想起来,当我们在学习他的悲剧屠杀案例中 --
03:41
to the importance of play,
54
221160
2000
玩耍的重要性,
03:43
in that that individual, by deep study,
55
223160
3000
在这个个体中,通过深入的学习,
03:46
was found to have severe play deprivation.
56
226160
2000
发现他的玩耍被严重的剥夺了。
03:48
Charles Whitman was his name.
57
228160
2000
查尔斯惠特曼是他的名字
03:50
And our committee, which consisted of a lot of hard scientists,
58
230160
3000
在我们的委员会中,有很多科学家,
03:53
did feel at the end of that study
59
233160
2000
确实感觉到在调查的最后
03:55
that the absence of play and a progressive suppression of developmentally normal play
60
235160
6000
发现玩耍的缺乏和对正常发育的压抑
04:01
led him to be more vulnerable to the tragedy that he perpetrated.
61
241160
5000
导致了他比他造成的悲剧更加易受伤害。
04:06
And that finding has stood the test of time --
62
246160
3000
而且这个结论是通过了一段时间的考验 --
04:10
unfortunately even into more recent times, at Virginia Tech.
63
250160
4000
十分遗憾的,甚至通过了弗吉尼亚理工大学的考验。
04:14
And other studies of populations at risk
64
254160
3000
而且其他一些关于人口危机的学习
04:17
sensitized me to the importance of play,
65
257160
3000
让我感受到了玩耍的重要性,
04:21
but I didn't really understand what it was.
66
261160
2000
但是我不曾了解玩耍到底是什么。
04:23
And it was many years in taking play histories of individuals
67
263160
5000
而且是在多年来研究了那么多历史上玩耍的例子后
04:28
before I really began to recognize that I didn't really have a full understanding of it.
68
268160
6000
我开始了解到,我对玩耍没有一个全面的认识。
04:34
And I don't think any of us has a full understanding of it, by any means.
69
274160
4000
而且我不认为我们所有人都对玩耍有一个全面的认识,任何层面上。
04:38
But there are ways of looking at it
70
278160
2000
但是,我想这的确有一些看待它的方法
04:40
that I think can give you -- give us all a taxonomy, a way of thinking about it.
71
280160
5000
让你们可以看到它的所有的类别,一种思考它的方法。
04:45
And this image is, for humans, the beginning point of play.
72
285160
5000
这个图像是,对人类来说,是玩耍的开始。
04:50
When that mother and infant lock eyes,
73
290160
3000
当母亲和婴儿闭上眼睛,
04:53
and the infant's old enough to have a social smile,
74
293160
3000
而且当婴儿大的能够做出笑脸时,
04:56
what happens -- spontaneously -- is the eruption of joy on the part of the mother.
75
296160
4000
所发生的 -- 很自然的 -- 就是母亲乐趣的爆发。
05:00
And she begins to babble and coo and smile, and so does the baby.
76
300160
4000
然后她开始向小孩说话,逗它和微笑,小孩也做同样的事情。
05:04
If we've got them wired up with an electroencephalogram,
77
304160
4000
如果我们对他们进行电脑图测试,
05:08
the right brain of each of them becomes attuned,
78
308160
5000
他们的右脑会开始适应这些,
05:13
so that the joyful emergence of this earliest of play scenes
79
313160
5000
所以乐趣开始出现在早期的玩耍场景中
05:18
and the physiology of that is something we're beginning to get a handle on.
80
318160
4000
而且精神上我们开始对此开始有所了解。
05:23
And I'd like you to think that every bit of more complex play
81
323160
4000
我想让你们开始想象所有基于人类
05:27
builds on this base for us humans.
82
327160
4000
上的每一点复杂的玩耍。
05:31
And so now I'm going to take you through sort of a way of looking at play,
83
331160
4000
现在我要带你们去了解看待玩耍的一种方式,
05:35
but it's never just singularly one thing.
84
335160
4000
但它从来就不仅仅是奇异一件事。
05:39
We're going to look at body play,
85
339160
3000
我们来看看身体玩耍,
05:42
which is a spontaneous desire to get ourselves out of gravity.
86
342160
6000
是一个让我们摆脱重力的自然欲望。
05:48
This is a mountain goat.
87
348160
2000
这是一只山羊。
05:50
If you're having a bad day, try this:
88
350160
2000
如果你这一天不怎么样,试试这个:
05:52
jump up and down, wiggle around -- you're going to feel better.
89
352160
3000
跳上跳下,到处动一下 -- 你会感觉好很多。
05:55
And you may feel like this character,
90
355160
2000
而且你可能会感觉像这个角色,
05:57
who is also just doing it for its own sake.
91
357160
3000
它就是这样做的。
06:00
It doesn't have a particular purpose, and that's what's great about play.
92
360160
3000
它没有什么特别的目的,而且那就是关于玩耍的伟大。
06:03
If its purpose is more important
93
363160
3000
如果目的比做那个动作要重要
06:06
than the act of doing it, it's probably not play.
94
366160
3000
那就可能不是玩耍。
06:09
And there's a whole other type of play, which is object play.
95
369160
4000
然后这里是完全另外一种玩耍,是关于物体的玩耍。
06:13
And this Japanese macaque has made a snowball,
96
373160
3000
这只日本猴做好了一个雪球,
06:16
and he or she's going to roll down a hill.
97
376160
3000
然后这里她将把雪球从山上滚下去。
06:19
And -- they don't throw it at each other, but this is a fundamental part of being playful.
98
379160
4000
不过 -- 他们不会互相丢,但是这个基础的部分是有玩耍意思在里面的。
06:23
The human hand, in manipulation of objects,
99
383160
4000
人类的手,是可以操控物体的,
06:27
is the hand in search of a brain;
100
387160
3000
是一双寻找大脑的手。
06:30
the brain is in search of a hand;
101
390160
2000
大脑同时也在寻找手,
06:32
and play is the medium by which those two are linked in the best way.
102
392160
5000
而玩耍是最能结合两者的媒体。
06:37
JPL we heard this morning -- JPL is an incredible place.
103
397160
6000
JPL我们今天早上听到的 -- JPL是一个不可思议的地方。
06:43
They have located two consultants,
104
403160
3000
他们找到了两个顾问,
06:46
Frank Wilson and Nate Johnson,
105
406160
3000
弗兰克威尔森和内特乔森。
06:49
who are -- Frank Wilson is a neurologist, Nate Johnson is a mechanic.
106
409160
4000
弗兰克威尔逊是一个神经学家,内特约乔森是一名机械师。
06:53
He taught mechanics in a high school in Long Beach,
107
413160
3000
他在一个长滩高中里教机械,
06:56
and found that his students were no longer able to solve problems.
108
416160
5000
发现了他的学生再也不能解决问题了。
07:02
And he tried to figure out why. And he came to the conclusion, quite on his own,
109
422160
3000
他尝试的去找出为什么。然后他得出一个结论,十分独特的结论,
07:05
that the students who could no longer solve problems, such as fixing cars,
110
425160
4000
就是那些不能解决问题的学生,比如说修车,
07:09
hadn't worked with their hands.
111
429160
2000
没有用他们的手去工作过。
07:11
Frank Wilson had written a book called "The Hand."
112
431160
3000
弗兰克威尔逊写过一本“双手”的书。
07:14
They got together -- JPL hired them.
113
434160
3000
他们走到一起 -- JPL雇佣了他们。
07:17
Now JPL, NASA and Boeing,
114
437160
3000
现在JPL,国家航天中心和波音,
07:20
before they will hire a research and development problem solver --
115
440160
3000
当他们去雇佣一个研究院或问题解决者之前 --
07:23
even if they're summa cum laude from Harvard or Cal Tech --
116
443160
4000
即使他们是哈佛或加利福尼亚技术学院最好的学生 --
07:27
if they haven't fixed cars, haven't done stuff with their hands early in life,
117
447160
3000
如果他们没有修过车,在他们的早年没有做任何手工,
07:30
played with their hands, they can't problem-solve as well.
118
450160
3000
和他们的手玩耍过,他们就不能解决问题。
07:33
So play is practical, and it's very important.
119
453160
3000
所以玩耍是实用的,而且是十分重要的。
07:37
Now one of the things about play is that it is born by curiosity and exploration. (Laughter)
120
457160
6000
现在关于玩耍的一个关键是带这好奇和探索出生。 (笑)
07:43
But it has to be safe exploration.
121
463160
3000
但是这必须是安全的探索。
07:46
This happens to be OK -- he's an anatomically interested little boy
122
466160
3000
这正好可以 -- 他是一个有解剖学兴趣的小男孩
07:49
and that's his mom. Other situations wouldn't be quite so good.
123
469160
4000
这是他的母亲,其他的一些情况不会像这么好。
07:53
But curiosity, exploration, are part of the play scene.
124
473160
3000
但是好奇,探索,是玩耍的一部分。
07:56
If you want to belong, you need social play.
125
476160
3000
如果你想有归宿,你需要社会性的玩耍。
07:59
And social play is part of what we're about here today,
126
479160
3000
社会性的玩耍就是我们今天为什么会在这的原因之一,
08:02
and is a byproduct of the play scene.
127
482160
3000
而且这就是玩耍的副产品。
08:06
Rough and tumble play.
128
486160
2000
粗糙和滚动的玩耍。
08:08
These lionesses, seen from a distance, looked like they were fighting.
129
488160
3000
这些狮子,从远处看,好像在争斗。
08:11
But if you look closely, they're kind of like the polar bear and husky:
130
491160
3000
但是如果你仔细的看,他们就像北极熊和哈士奇一样:
08:14
no claws, flat fur, soft eyes,
131
494160
4000
没有爪子,平滑的毛发,平和的眼神,
08:18
open mouth with no fangs, balletic movements,
132
498160
3000
没有利齿的嘴巴,芭蕾般的动作,
08:21
curvilinear movements -- all specific to play.
133
501160
3000
曲线的运动 -- 都是有关玩耍的表现。
08:24
And rough-and-tumble play is a great learning medium for all of us.
134
504160
4000
而且这项粗糙-滚动的玩耍是我们学习的伟大媒体。
08:28
Preschool kids, for example, should be allowed to dive, hit, whistle,
135
508160
4000
学前班小孩,打个比方,应该允许去潜水,打闹,吹口哨,
08:32
scream, be chaotic, and develop through that a lot of emotional regulation
136
512160
7000
叫喊,混乱的,会开发很多正常的情感
08:39
and a lot of the other social byproducts -- cognitive, emotional and physical --
137
519160
5000
以及很多社会副产品 -- 认知,情感和身体 --
08:44
that come as a part of rough and tumble play.
138
524160
2000
这就都是粗糙和滚动玩耍的一部分。
08:47
Spectator play, ritual play -- we're involved in some of that.
139
527160
4000
观众的玩耍,和仪式上玩耍 -- 我们会参与这样一些玩耍。
08:51
Those of you who are from Boston know that this was the moment -- rare --
140
531160
4000
那些从波士顿来的人知道有这样一个时候 -- 极少数 --
08:55
where the Red Sox won the World Series.
141
535160
4000
红袜对赢得了冠军。
08:59
But take a look at the face and the body language of everybody
142
539160
3000
但是看看这个有趣的照片上的脸和肢体语言
09:02
in this fuzzy picture, and you can get a sense that they're all at play.
143
542160
3000
你就会感觉到他们都是在玩耍。
09:06
Imaginative play.
144
546160
1000
想象的玩耍。
09:07
I love this picture because my daughter, who's now almost 40, is in this picture,
145
547160
5000
我喜欢这张照片是因为我女儿,现在都快40了,在这个照片里,
09:12
but it reminds me of her storytelling and her imagination,
146
552160
4000
但是这让我回想起了她的故事和她的想象;
09:16
her ability to spin yarns at this age -- preschool.
147
556160
5000
她在这个年龄转纱的能力 -- 学前班。
09:21
A really important part of being a player
148
561160
3000
做到一个玩耍者的重要一点是
09:24
is imaginative solo play.
149
564160
3000
一个想象丰富的单独玩耍。
09:27
And I love this one, because it's also what we're about.
150
567160
4000
而且我喜欢这个,因为这是我们所做的。
09:31
We all have an internal narrative that's our own inner story.
151
571160
4000
我们都有一个内部的叙述,是我们自己内心的故事。
09:35
The unit of intelligibility of most of our brains is the story.
152
575160
5000
对我们的大脑最清晰的单位是故事。
09:40
I'm telling you a story today about play.
153
580160
3000
我今天来跟你们讲一个关于玩耍的故事。
09:43
Well, this bushman, I think, is talking about the fish that got away that was that long,
154
583160
5000
好了,这个,我想讲的是那个逃跑的鱼,那可真长,
09:48
but it's a fundamental part of the play scene.
155
588160
4000
但是这好似玩耍的一个基础部分。
09:52
So what does play do for the brain?
156
592160
3000
所以玩耍对大脑有什么影响?
09:55
Well, a lot.
157
595160
3000
恩,很多。
09:58
We don't know a whole lot about what it does for the human brain,
158
598160
4000
我们不太了解它对大脑有什么影响,
10:02
because funding has not been exactly heavy for research on play.
159
602160
7000
因为对研究玩耍上的基金不是很多。
10:09
I walked into the Carnegie asking for a grant.
160
609160
2000
我进入卡内基要求补助金。
10:11
They'd given me a large grant when I was an academician
161
611160
3000
当我还是学习酒后驾车的重罪的学者时,
10:14
for the study of felony drunken drivers, and I thought I had a pretty good track record,
162
614160
5000
他们给我了一份很大的资金,我想我有一个不错的记录。
10:19
and by the time I had spent half an hour talking about play,
163
619160
5000
就当我用半小时在谈论玩耍的时候,
10:24
it was obvious that they were not -- did not feel that play was serious.
164
624160
4000
很明显可以感觉到,他们感觉玩耍不是很严肃。
10:28
I think that -- that's a few years back -- I think that wave is past,
165
628160
4000
我想那是 -- 在几年前 -- 那已经过去了,
10:32
and the play wave is cresting,
166
632160
2000
但是玩耍还是在继续,
10:34
because there is some good science.
167
634160
2000
因为这里有一些很好的科学。
10:36
Nothing lights up the brain like play.
168
636160
3000
没有什么比玩耍更能启迪大脑。
10:39
Three-dimensional play fires up the cerebellum,
169
639160
3000
三维的玩耍启迪小脑,
10:42
puts a lot of impulses into the frontal lobe --
170
642160
3000
给前额叶很多脉冲 --
10:45
the executive portion -- helps contextual memory be developed,
171
645160
4000
行政部分-帮助上下文记忆发展,
10:49
and -- and, and, and.
172
649160
2000
以及,等等, 等等。
10:51
So it's -- for me, its been an extremely nourishing scholarly adventure
173
651160
6000
所以这--对我来说,是一个十分具有营养的学术冒险,
10:57
to look at the neuroscience that's associated with play, and to bring together people
174
657160
5000
去看看神经是这样和玩耍互动的,是怎样将人联合起来
11:02
who in their individual disciplines hadn't really thought of it that way.
175
662160
5000
那些没有共同纪律的人联合起来。
11:07
And that's part of what the National Institute for Play is all about.
176
667160
3000
那就是国家玩耍学院所研究的一部分。
11:10
And this is one of the ways you can study play --
177
670160
2000
而这就是我们可以这样研究玩耍的其中一个方法 --
11:12
is to get a 256-lead electroencephalogram.
178
672160
4000
就是拿一个256制的脑电图。
11:16
I'm sorry I don't have a playful-looking subject, but it allows mobility,
179
676160
5000
对不起,我没有一个有趣的前瞻性问题,但是这允许了移动性,
11:21
which has limited the actual study of play.
180
681160
2000
那也就制约了对玩耍的学习。
11:23
And we've got a mother-infant play scenario
181
683160
4000
我们在场景里也有了母婴间的玩耍
11:27
that we're hoping to complete underway at the moment.
182
687160
3000
我们希望现在我们可以完成这个过程。
11:30
The reason I put this here is also to queue up
183
690160
3000
我把这放在这里的原因是去整理
11:33
my thoughts about objectifying what play does.
184
693160
4000
我对有关玩耍起了什么作用的想法。
11:37
The animal world has objectified it.
185
697160
4000
动物的世界已经客观的反映了这个。
11:41
In the animal world, if you take rats,
186
701160
3000
在动物的时间,如果你拿老鼠
11:44
who are hardwired to play at a certain period of their juvenile years
187
704160
6000
一些在青少年时期玩耍的老鼠
11:50
and you suppress play -- they squeak, they wrestle,
188
710160
3000
然后你压制玩耍 -- 他们互相挤压,他们互相搏斗,
11:53
they pin each other, that's part of their play.
189
713160
3000
他们把对方放到,那就是他们玩耍的一部分。
11:56
If you stop that behavior on one group that you're experimenting with,
190
716160
5000
如果你把你实验对象的一组停下来,
12:01
and you allow it in another group that you're experimenting with,
191
721160
3000
允许你实验对象的另一组,
12:04
and then you present those rats
192
724160
2000
然后你给这些老鼠展示
12:06
with a cat odor-saturated collar,
193
726160
3000
带有猫气味的领子,
12:09
they're hardwired to flee and hide.
194
729160
3000
他们本能的反应是逃窜和躲避。
12:12
Pretty smart -- they don't want to get killed by a cat.
195
732160
3000
十分聪明 -- 它们可不想被猫抓到。
12:15
So what happens?
196
735160
2000
所以,发生了什么?
12:17
They both hide out.
197
737160
2000
他们都躲了起来。
12:20
The non-players never come out --
198
740160
3000
那些非玩耍者再也不出来了 --
12:23
they die.
199
743160
1000
他们就死了。
12:24
The players slowly explore the environment,
200
744160
4000
那些玩耍着慢慢的探索这个环境,
12:28
and begin again to test things out.
201
748160
3000
搞清楚了发生了什么。
12:31
That says to me, at least in rats --
202
751160
3000
这对我来说,最起码在老鼠里 --
12:34
and I think they have the same neurotransmitters that we do
203
754160
3000
我想他们有着跟我们一样的神经传递系统
12:37
and a similar cortical architecture --
204
757160
2000
以及一个相似的皮质结构 --
12:39
that play may be pretty important for our survival.
205
759160
3000
那说明了玩耍对我们的生存十分重要。
12:42
And, and, and -- there are a lot more animal studies that I could talk about.
206
762160
4000
等等,等等 -- 这里我还可以谈上很多动物实验。
12:47
Now, this is a consequence of play deprivation. (Laughter)
207
767160
4000
现在,这是一个把玩耍剥夺的后果。(笑)
12:51
This took a long time --
208
771160
2000
这个花了很长时间 --
12:53
I had to get Homer down and put him through the fMRI and the SPECT
209
773160
5000
我不得不把荷马拿下来,通过磁共振成像和断层扫描,
12:58
and multiple EEGs, but as a couch potato, his brain has shrunk.
210
778160
4000
和和多脑电图,对他测试,但是就这样的宅男,他的脑子缩水了。
13:02
And we do know that in domestic animals
211
782160
3000
我们都知道,在被驯化的动物里
13:05
and others, when they're play deprived,
212
785160
2000
当他们的玩耍被剥夺时,
13:07
they don't -- and rats also -- they don't develop a brain that is normal.
213
787160
4000
他们 -- 老鼠也一样 -- 他们不会去正常的开发大脑。
13:12
Now, the program says that the opposite of play is not work,
214
792160
5000
现在,项目表明玩耍的对立面不是工作,
13:17
it's depression.
215
797160
2000
是忧郁。
13:19
And I think if you think about life without play --
216
799160
4000
我想,如果你们想象一下没有玩耍的生活 --
13:23
no humor, no flirtation, no movies,
217
803160
3000
没有幽默,没有调戏,没有电影,
13:26
no games, no fantasy and, and, and.
218
806160
5000
没有游戏,没有幻想 -- 等等,等等。
13:31
Try and imagine a culture or a life, adult or otherwise
219
811160
4000
同时想想没有玩耍的文化,生命
13:36
without play.
220
816160
2000
或成人,或者小孩。
13:38
And the thing that's so unique about our species
221
818160
3000
我们之所以是这么独特的物种,
13:41
is that we're really designed to play through our whole lifetime.
222
821160
4000
是因为我们就是被设计成活到老玩到老。
13:46
And we all have capacity to play signal.
223
826160
3000
我们都有玩耍的能力。
13:49
Nobody misses that dog I took a picture of on a Carmel beach a couple of weeks ago.
224
829160
5000
没有人会去怀念我在几个星期前卡梅尔海滩照的那只狗的照片。
13:54
What's going to follow from that behavior
225
834160
3000
接下来会发生的行为是
13:57
is play.
226
837160
1000
玩耍。
13:58
And you can trust it.
227
838160
1000
而且你可以信任它。
13:59
The basis of human trust is established through play signals.
228
839160
4000
人类信任的基础是建立在玩耍的信号上的。
14:03
And we begin to lose those signals, culturally and otherwise, as adults.
229
843160
5000
不过我们开始丢掉这些信号了,文化上,等等,就像成年人一样。
14:08
That's a shame.
230
848160
2000
那真丢人。
14:10
I think we've got a lot of learning to do.
231
850160
3000
我想我们还要学习很多。
14:13
Now, Jane Goodall has here a play face along with one of her favorite chimps.
232
853160
4000
现在,简古德尔和他最喜爱的一个猩猩做了鬼脸。
14:17
So part of the signaling system of play
233
857160
3000
所以玩耍信号的一个部分
14:20
has to do with vocal, facial, body, gestural.
234
860160
4000
肯定和声音,表情,身体,动作有关。
14:24
You know, you can tell -- and I think when we're getting into collective play,
235
864160
5000
你知道,你可一知道 -- 而且我想当我们在集体玩耍是,
14:29
its really important for groups to gain a sense of safety
236
869160
4000
在一个小组内获得安全感是十分重要的,
14:33
through their own sharing of play signals.
237
873160
3000
通过他们对玩耍信号的动同分享。
14:37
You may not know this word,
238
877160
2000
你也许不知道这个词。
14:39
but it should be your biological first name and last name.
239
879160
5000
但是它应该是你生物上的姓和名。
14:44
Because neoteny means the retention of immature qualities into adulthood.
240
884160
4000
因为幼态持续指不成熟的素质保持到成年。
14:48
And we are, by physical anthropologists,
241
888160
3000
而且,我们是的,根据物理人类学家,
14:51
by many, many studies, the most neotenous,
242
891160
3000
通过很多很多的学习,大部分是神经上的,
14:54
the most youthful, the most flexible, the most plastic of all creatures.
243
894160
5000
大部分是年轻的,大部分是灵活的,所有生物的共性。
14:59
And therefore, the most playful.
244
899160
3000
所以,是最具玩耍性的。
15:02
And this gives us a leg up on adaptability.
245
902160
3000
这个让我们也踏入了讨论适应性的范围。
15:06
Now, there is a way of looking at play
246
906160
3000
现在,这里有一个看待玩耍的方法
15:09
that I also want to emphasize here,
247
909160
3000
也是我想在这强调的,
15:12
which is the play history.
248
912160
3000
在玩耍的历史上。
15:15
Your own personal play history is unique,
249
915160
3000
你个人的玩耍历史是独特的,
15:18
and often is not something we think about particularly.
250
918160
4000
通常是我们想象不到的一些事。
15:22
This is a book written by a consummate player
251
922160
3000
这是一本由十分优秀的玩耍者写的书,
15:25
by the name of Kevin Carroll.
252
925160
2000
他叫凯文卡罗尔。
15:27
Kevin Carroll came from extremely deprived circumstances:
253
927160
5000
他叫凯文卡罗尔是一个来自玩耍被十分压制的条件下:
15:32
alcoholic mother, absent father, inner-city Philadelphia,
254
932160
4000
酗酒的母亲,父亲的缺席,罪恶都市费城,
15:36
black, had to take care of a younger brother.
255
936160
3000
黑人,还必须照顾他的弟弟。
15:39
Found that when he looked at a playground
256
939160
3000
发现在他被关起来的窗口里可以看到
15:42
out of a window into which he had been confined,
257
942160
3000
一个公园。
15:45
he felt something different.
258
945160
2000
他有一些不一样的感觉。
15:47
And so he followed up on it.
259
947160
3000
所以他就去追求起来。
15:50
And his life -- the transformation of his life
260
950160
3000
这样他的生活 -- 他生活的转变
15:53
from deprivation and what one would expect -- potentially prison or death --
261
953160
5000
从一个被压制的人,我们也许可以判断到 -- 潜在的监狱或死亡 --
15:58
he become a linguist, a trainer for the 76ers and now is a motivational speaker.
262
958160
5000
他成了一个语言学家,一个76人队的训练师,现在是一个煽动气氛的演讲者。
16:04
And he gives play as a transformative force
263
964160
5000
而且他赋予了玩耍一种转变他一生
16:09
over his entire life.
264
969160
3000
的动力
16:12
Now there's another play history that I think is a work in progress.
265
972160
5000
现在还有另外一种玩耍历史,我想是正在进行中。
16:19
Those of you who remember Al Gore,
266
979160
3000
你们那些记得戈尔的,
16:22
during the first term and then during his successful
267
982160
5000
在第一的时期,然后在他第二个成功的时间里,
16:27
but unelected run for the presidency,
268
987160
3000
但是没有竞选总统成功,
16:30
may remember him as being kind of wooden and not entirely his own person,
269
990160
5000
也许记得他有点不自然,不像他自己。
16:35
at least in public.
270
995160
2000
最少在公众面前是这样。
16:37
And looking at his history, which is common in the press,
271
997160
4000
在他的历史看来,这样在压力下很正常。
16:41
it seems to me, at least -- looking at it from a shrink's point of view --
272
1001160
6000
至少对我来说,从一个心理医生的观点来看
16:47
that a lot of his life was programmed.
273
1007160
4000
他生命中很大一部分是被安排好的。
16:52
Summers were hard, hard work, in the heat of Tennessee summers.
274
1012160
5000
夏天是努力,努力工作,在田纳西的高温下。
16:58
He had the expectations of his senatorial father and Washington, D.C.
275
1018160
6000
他背负者华盛顿和议员父亲对他的期望。
17:04
And although I think he certainly had the capacity for play --
276
1024160
3000
即使我想他肯定有着玩耍的能力 --
17:07
because I do know something about that --
277
1027160
2000
因为我的确知道这样一些事情 --
17:09
he wasn't as empowered, I think, as he now is
278
1029160
4000
我想,他现在也许不是那么有权利
17:13
by paying attention to what is his own passion
279
1033160
4000
通过做他自己想做的事情
17:17
and his own inner drive,
280
1037160
3000
通过他自己的内心的渴望,
17:20
which I think has its basis in all of us in our play history.
281
1040160
5000
我想这这和我们的玩耍历史都有相同的基础。
17:25
So what I would encourage on an individual level to do,
282
1045160
3000
所以,我能从个人层次上鼓励的是,
17:28
is to explore backwards as far as you can go
283
1048160
4000
尽量往回探索
17:32
to the most clear, joyful, playful image that you have,
284
1052160
5000
到一个你有的最清晰,最快乐,最有玩耍的图像。
17:37
whether it's with a toy, on a birthday or on a vacation.
285
1057160
3000
无论这是个玩具,是生日或是渡假。
17:40
And begin to build to build from the emotion of that
286
1060160
3000
由此之上在建立情感看看
17:43
into how that connects with your life now.
287
1063160
3000
是怎样和你现在生活所联系起来。
17:46
And you'll find, you may change jobs --
288
1066160
3000
然后你会发现,你也许会换工作 --
17:49
which has happened to a number people when I've had them do this --
289
1069160
3000
也当我让人们去做这个东西是最明显的后果
17:52
in order to be more empowered through their play.
290
1072160
3000
为此能通过玩耍来变的更强大。
17:55
Or you'll be able to enrich your life by prioritizing it
291
1075160
4000
或者你会通过优先处理他和在意它
17:59
and paying attention to it.
292
1079160
2000
从而丰富你的生活
18:01
Most of us work with groups, and I put this up because
293
1081160
3000
我的绝大多数是小组工作,我这样讲出来是因为
18:04
the d.school, the design school at Stanford,
294
1084160
3000
斯坦福世界大学大学,
18:07
thanks to David Kelley and a lot of others
295
1087160
3000
谢谢大卫凯利和其他人
18:10
who have been visionary about its establishment,
296
1090160
3000
那些有眼光建立这个的人
18:13
has allowed a group of us to get together
297
1093160
2000
允许我们这组人聚在一起
18:15
and create a course called "From Play to Innovation."
298
1095160
4000
从而开办了一个课程叫做“从玩耍到创新”
18:19
And you'll see this course is to investigate
299
1099160
3000
在这个课程里,你会看到对
18:22
the human state of play, which is kind of like the polar bear-husky state
300
1102160
4000
人类玩耍状态的参与,就像是北极熊对哈士奇的状态
18:26
and its importance to creative thinking:
301
1106160
2000
以及它对创新思维的重要性。
18:28
"to explore play behavior, its development and its biological basis;
302
1108160
3000
去探索玩耍的行为,玩耍的发展和其生物学上的基础。
18:31
to apply those principles, through design thinking,
303
1111160
3000
去通过设计的思维来使用这些原则,
18:34
to promote innovation in the corporate world;
304
1114160
2000
去在整个世界推动创新。
18:36
and the students will work with real-world partners
305
1116160
3000
所有的学生都会和真实世界的伙伴合作
18:39
on design projects with widespread application."
306
1119160
3000
在宽广应用的设计项目上。
18:42
This is our maiden voyage in this.
307
1122160
2000
这是我们的首航。
18:44
We're about two and a half, three months into it, and it's really been fun.
308
1124160
4000
我们开始了有2个半到3个月了,而且这真的是很有趣。
18:48
There is our star pupil, this labrador,
309
1128160
3000
这是我们的得意门生,这个拉布拉多,
18:51
who taught a lot of us what a state of play is,
310
1131160
4000
它教给了我们很多关于玩耍是什么一个状态,
18:55
and an extremely aged and decrepit professor in charge there.
311
1135160
4000
这是一个十分十分年老的负责教师。
18:59
And Brendan Boyle, Rich Crandall -- and on the far right is, I think, a person who
312
1139160
5000
和布兰登博伊勒,理查克莱登 -- 在最右边的是斯图尔特汤姆森--
19:04
will be in cahoots with George Smoot for a Nobel Prize -- Stuart Thompson,
313
1144160
5000
我想他会和乔治苏木特一起的诺贝尔奖,
19:09
in neuroscience.
314
1149160
1000
在神经学上。
19:10
So we've had Brendan, who's from IDEO,
315
1150160
2000
我们已经见多布兰登了,来自IDEO,
19:12
and the rest of us sitting aside and watching these students
316
1152160
4000
我们其他人就坐在一旁,看这些学生
19:16
as they put play principles into practice in the classroom.
317
1156160
4000
在教室里把这些玩耍的要领使用到行动上。
19:22
And one of their projects was to
318
1162160
4000
他们其中的一个项目是
19:26
see what makes meetings boring,
319
1166160
3000
看是什么导致会议很无聊。
19:29
and to try and do something about it.
320
1169160
3000
然后去做些什么来改变这个。
19:32
So what will follow is a student-made film
321
1172160
4000
所以,接下来会有一个关于这个的
19:36
about just that.
322
1176160
3000
学生短片。
19:39
Narrator: Flow is the mental state of apparition
323
1179160
4000
旁白:流利是幻影的精神状态
19:43
in which the person is fully immersed in what he or she is doing.
324
1183160
3000
是那个人完全投入到他所做的事情上。
19:46
Characterized by a feeling of energized focus,
325
1186160
3000
特点是充满活力的焦点的感觉,
19:49
full involvement and success in the process of the activity.
326
1189160
3000
全身投入和在这个活动中的成功感。
19:56
An important key insight that we learned about meetings
327
1196160
3000
一个重要的关键见解,我们对会议的教训是
19:59
is that people pack them in one after another,
328
1199160
3000
人们一个一个的传下去,
20:02
disruptive to the day.
329
1202160
2000
直到一天结束。
20:04
Attendees at meetings don't know when they'll get back to the task
330
1204160
3000
会议者这会议上不知道他们什么时候可以回到
20:07
that they left at their desk.
331
1207160
2000
他们离开的工作上。
20:09
But it doesn't have to be that way.
332
1209160
3000
但是不一定是非要这样。
20:12
(Music)
333
1212160
53000
(音乐)
21:05
Some sage and repeatedly furry monks
334
1265160
3000
一些来自被称作设计学院的地方,
21:08
at this place called the d.school
335
1268160
2000
的圣人和毛皮僧侣
21:10
designed a meeting that you can literally step out of when it's over.
336
1270160
4000
设计了一个会议,当会议结束了你就可以把它脱下。
21:15
Take the meeting off, and have peace of mind that you can come back to me.
337
1275160
4000
把会议放下,然后你可以回到自己安静的空间里。
21:20
Because when you need it again,
338
1280160
2000
因为当你再需要的时候,
21:22
the meeting is literally hanging in your closet.
339
1282160
4000
会议就挂在你的衣柜里。
21:28
The Wearable Meeting.
340
1288160
2000
可穿着的会议。
21:30
Because when you put it on, you immediately get everything you need
341
1290160
4000
因为当你穿上它时,你立刻会得到所有
21:34
to have a fun and productive and useful meeting.
342
1294160
3000
好玩的和有用的有效率的会议的一切。
21:37
But when you take it off --
343
1297160
3000
但是一旦你脱掉他...
21:40
that's when the real action happens.
344
1300160
2000
那你就要开始行动。
21:42
(Music)
345
1302160
6000
(音乐)
21:48
(Laughter) (Applause)
346
1308160
3000
(笑)(掌声)
21:51
Stuart Brown: So I would encourage you all
347
1311160
3000
斯图尔特布朗:所以我要鼓励你们所有人
21:57
to engage
348
1317160
2000
去参与
21:59
not in the work-play differential --
349
1319160
3000
不仅仅是在你工作需要的时候--
22:02
where you set aside time to play --
350
1322160
3000
不仅仅是在你玩耍的时候 --
22:05
but where your life becomes infused
351
1325160
3000
也是当你的的生活被每分每秒
22:08
minute by minute, hour by hour,
352
1328160
4000
被注入
22:12
with body,
353
1332160
2000
身体,
22:14
object,
354
1334160
2000
物品,
22:16
social, fantasy, transformational kinds of play.
355
1336160
5000
社会,幻想,和各种变革的玩耍。
22:21
And I think you'll have a better and more empowered life.
356
1341160
4000
我想你会有一个更好的更有力的生活。
22:25
Thank You.
357
1345160
2000
谢谢。
22:27
(Applause)
358
1347160
7000
(掌声)
22:34
John Hockenberry: So it sounds to me like what you're saying is that
359
1354160
3000
约翰胡可巴里:我的理解是你要说的是
22:37
there may be some temptation on the part of people to look at your work
360
1357160
4000
可能有一部分人诱惑的
22:41
and go --
361
1361160
2000
看着你的工作
22:43
I think I've heard this, in my kind of pop psychological understanding of play,
362
1363160
5000
我想我听到过这个,在我对玩耍的流行精神学上的理解是,
22:48
that somehow,
363
1368160
2000
那就是,
22:50
the way animals and humans deal with play,
364
1370160
3000
动物和人类对玩耍的,
22:53
is that it's some sort of rehearsal for adult activity.
365
1373160
3000
是成人活动的一种排练。
22:56
Your work seems to suggest that that is powerfully wrong.
366
1376160
3000
你的工作似乎说明了这是十分错误的。
22:59
SB: Yeah, I don't think that's accurate,
367
1379160
3000
SB:对,我想那是不准确的,
23:02
and I think probably because animals have taught us that.
368
1382160
3000
我想那大概是因为动物已经教了我们这个。
23:05
If you stop a cat from playing --
369
1385160
4000
如果你不让一只猫玩 --
23:09
which you can do, and we've all seen how cats bat around stuff --
370
1389160
4000
你可以这样做,我们整天看到猫动来动去 --
23:13
they're just as good predators as they would be if they hadn't played.
371
1393160
5000
他们就还是像出色捕猎者一样,如果它们不曾玩耍。
23:18
And if you imagine a kid
372
1398160
2000
但如果你想象下一个小孩
23:20
pretending to be King Kong,
373
1400160
3000
假装是金刚,
23:23
or a race car driver, or a fireman,
374
1403160
3000
或是赛车手,或是消防员,
23:26
they don't all become race car drivers or firemen, you know.
375
1406160
3000
他们不会都成为赛车手或消防员。
23:30
So there's a disconnect between preparation for the future --
376
1410160
5000
你知道,所以准备和未来有一个断开的地方 --
23:35
which is what most people are comfortable in thinking about play as --
377
1415160
3000
那也就是大多数人对玩耍很舒服的地方 --
23:38
and thinking of it as a separate biological entity.
378
1418160
4000
就像一个单独的生物实体。
23:42
And this is where my chasing animals for four, five years
379
1422160
5000
而这就是我开始追寻这些动物,四到五年
23:47
really changed my perspective from a clinician to what I am now,
380
1427160
5000
它真的改变了我的观点,从临床医生到现在的我,
23:52
which is that play has a biological place,
381
1432160
4000
那就是玩耍有一个生物性的地方,
23:56
just like sleep and dreams do.
382
1436160
3000
就像是睡觉做梦一样。
23:59
And if you look at sleep and dreams biologically,
383
1439160
5000
如果你从生物的角度上去看睡觉做梦,
24:04
animals sleep and dream,
384
1444160
2000
动物也睡觉做梦,
24:06
and they rehearse and they do some other things that help memory
385
1446160
3000
他们排练,他们做一些其他的事情,帮助记忆
24:09
and that are a very important part of sleep and dreams.
386
1449160
3000
而且那时睡觉和做梦的十分重要的部分。
24:12
The next step of evolution in mammals and
387
1452160
3000
哺乳动物和那些有多余的神经元
24:15
creatures with divinely superfluous neurons
388
1455160
4000
的动物的下一个进化
24:19
will be to play.
389
1459160
3000
就是玩耍。
24:22
And the fact that the polar bear and husky or magpie and a bear
390
1462160
3000
而事实是北极熊和哈士奇或喜鹊和一只熊
24:25
or you and I and our dogs can crossover and have that experience
391
1465160
6000
或你和我和我的狗可以交流拥有和其他
24:31
sets play aside as something separate.
392
1471160
3000
事物一样的玩耍的感觉。
24:34
And its hugely important in learning and crafting the brain.
393
1474160
4000
而且这学习和训练这样对大脑来说十分重要。
24:38
So it's not just something you do in your spare time.
394
1478160
3000
所以这不是你就每天空闲时候做的事情。
24:41
JH: How do you keep -- and I know you're part of the scientific research community,
395
1481160
3000
JH:你怎样才能保持 -- 我知道你是科学研究机构的一部分,
24:44
and you have to justify your existence with grants and proposals like everyone else --
396
1484160
5000
你也和其他人一样要协调赠款和建议--
24:49
how do you prevent --
397
1489160
2000
你怎样去防止 --
24:51
and some of the data that you've produced, the good science that you're talking about you've produced, is hot to handle.
398
1491160
6000
而且你做出的一些数据,这些你谈论的和你做出的好的科学是十分难以处理的
24:57
How do you prevent either the media's interpretation of your work
399
1497160
4000
你这样防止媒体打断你的工作
25:01
or the scientific community's interpretation of the implications of your work,
400
1501160
6000
或科学机构打断你工作的影响力,
25:07
kind of like the Mozart metaphor,
401
1507160
3000
有点像莫扎特的比喻
25:10
where, "Oh, MRIs show
402
1510160
3000
就像 “哦,MRIs 展示了”
25:13
that play enhances your intelligence.
403
1513160
3000
玩耍增强了你的智力。
25:16
Well, let's round these kids up, put them in pens
404
1516160
2000
好的,让我们把小孩放起来,把笔给他们拿开
25:18
and make them play for months at a time; they'll all be geniuses and go to Harvard."
405
1518160
4000
让他们每次玩上一个星期,他们会变成天才然后去上哈弗。“
25:22
How do you prevent people from taking that sort of action
406
1522160
3000
你这样防止人们在你研究的数据上
25:25
on the data that you're developing?
407
1525160
2000
去这样谈论这种行为?
25:27
SB: Well, I think the only way I know to do it
408
1527160
3000
SB:恩,我想我只知道能这样做,
25:30
is to have accumulated the advisers that I have
409
1530160
3000
那就是累计我得到的建议:
25:33
who go from practitioners --
410
1533160
2000
那些从医生 --
25:35
who can establish through improvisational play or clowning or whatever --
411
1535160
4000
那些可以建立计息玩耍或小丑或其他--
25:39
a state of play.
412
1539160
2000
一种玩耍的状态。
25:41
So people know that it's there.
413
1541160
2000
所以人们知道那那在那。
25:43
And then you get an fMRI specialist, and you get Frank Wilson,
414
1543160
4000
然后你得到一个fMRI的专家,你得到弗兰克威尔森,
25:47
and you get other kinds of hard scientists, including neuroendocrinologists.
415
1547160
5000
你也得到其他一些十分难懂的科学家,包括精神学家。
25:52
And you get them into a group together focused on play,
416
1552160
6000
然后你把他们形成一组关注玩耍。
25:58
and it's pretty hard not to take it seriously.
417
1558160
4000
这样要不严肃对待还很难
26:02
Unfortunately, that hasn't been done sufficiently
418
1562160
3000
遗憾的是,国家科学基金会,国家心理健康学院
26:05
for the National Science Foundation, National Institute of Mental Health
419
1565160
3000
或者是任何这样看待它的人 -- 认真的
26:08
or anybody else to really look at it in this way seriously.
420
1568160
3000
对此做的还够充分。
26:11
I mean you don't hear about anything that's like cancer or heart disease
421
1571160
6000
我的意思是,你不会听到癌症或心脏病
26:17
associated with play.
422
1577160
2000
和玩耍在一起合作。
26:19
And yet I see it as something that's just as basic for survival -- long term --
423
1579160
5000
但是我仍然是把它看作是生存的基础 -- 长期的 --
26:24
as learning some of the basic things about public health.
424
1584160
4000
也是学习公众健康的基础。
26:28
JH: Stuart Brown, thank you very much.
425
1588160
2000
JH:斯图尔特布朗,十分感谢你。
26:30
(Applause)
426
1590160
2000
(掌声)
关于本网站

这个网站将向你介绍对学习英语有用的YouTube视频。你将看到来自世界各地的一流教师教授的英语课程。双击每个视频页面上显示的英文字幕,即可从那里播放视频。字幕会随着视频的播放而同步滚动。如果你有任何意见或要求,请使用此联系表与我们联系。

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7


This website was created in October 2020 and last updated on June 12, 2025.

It is now archived and preserved as an English learning resource.

Some information may be out of date.

隐私政策

eng.lish.video

Developer's Blog