Fredy Peccerelli: A forensic anthropologist who brings closure for the “disappeared"
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翻译人员: Thomas Li
校对人员: Hong Li
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Guatemala is recovering from
a 36-year armed conflict.
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危地马拉正在从一场
持续了36年的武装冲突中恢复。
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A conflict that was fought
during the Cold War.
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一场在冷战时期便发生的冲突。
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It was really just
a small leftist insurgency
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这本是一次左翼分子发起的
小规模叛乱,
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and a devastating response by the state.
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然而政府的反应却是毁灭性的。
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What we have as a result
is 200,000 civilian victims,
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我们掌握的数据显示
有20万平民受害者,
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160,000 of those
killed in the communities:
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其中有16万人被集体杀害;
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small children, men, women,
the elderly even.
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小孩,男人,女人,甚至是老年人。
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And then we have
about 40,000 others, the missing,
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另外还有4万人失踪,
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the ones we're still looking for today.
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直到今天我们仍然在寻找。
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We call them the Desaparecidos.
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我们管他们叫失踪者(西班牙语)。
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Now, 83 percent of the victims
are Mayan victims,
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83%的受害者是玛雅人,
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victims that are the descendants
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他们是中美洲地区
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of the original inhabitants of
Central America.
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原住民的后代。
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And only about 17 percent are of
European descent.
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只有17%是欧洲后裔。
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But the most important thing here is that
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然而最重要的是
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the very people who are supposed to
defend us, the police, the military,
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那些本应该保护我们的人
——警察,军队,
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are the ones that committed
most of the crimes.
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犯下了绝大部分的罪行。
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Now the families,
they want information.
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现在家属想要了解真相。
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They want to know what happened.
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他们想知道发生了什么。
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They want the bodies of their loved ones.
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他们想要回所爱之人的遗体。
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But most of all,
what they want is they want you,
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但最重要的是,他们想要每一个人,
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they want everyone to know
that their loved ones did nothing wrong.
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包括你在内,
都了解他们的家人是无辜的。
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Now, my case was that my father
received death threats in 1980.
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我父亲在1980年收到了死亡威胁。
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And we left.
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所以我们离开了。
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We left Guatemala and we came here.
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我们离开危地马拉来到这里。
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So I grew up in New York,
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所以我是在纽约长大的,
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I grew up in Brooklyn as a matter of fact,
and I went to New Utrecht High School
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更具体点说是在布鲁克林,
我上的是新乌特勒支高中,
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and I graduated from Brooklyn College.
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然后从布鲁克林学院毕业。
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The only thing was that
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然而在当时
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I really didn't know what
was happening in Guatemala.
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我真的不了解危地马拉在发生什么。
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I didn't care for it; it was too painful.
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我没有去关注它;这太痛苦了。
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But it wasn't till 1995 that I decided
to do something about it.
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直到1995年我才决定要做些什么。
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So I went back.
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所以我回去了。
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I went back to Guatemala,
to look for the bodies,
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我回到危地马拉,去找寻那些遗体,
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to understand what happened
and to look for part of myself as well.
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去找寻过去发生了什么,
同时也找寻自我的一部分。
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The way we work is that
we give people information.
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我们为人们提供信息。
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We talk to the family members
and we let them choose.
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我们和家属们交谈,让他们做出选择。
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We let them decide to tell
us the stories,
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让他们决定(是否)
告诉我们他们的故事,
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to tell us what they saw,
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描述他们的所见所闻,
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to tell us about their loved ones.
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描述自己的爱人。
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And even more important,
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更加重要的是,
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we let them choose to
give us a piece of themselves.
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我们也让他们选择
是否愿意贡献自己的一部分(指DNA)。
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A piece, an essence, of who they are.
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关于他们身份的一段信息,一些精华。
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And that DNA is what we're
going to compare
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我们将这些DNA
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to the DNA that comes
from the skeletons.
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与骸骨里提取出来进行比对。
02:28
While we're doing that, though,
we're looking for the bodies.
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我们一边比对,
一边继续寻找遗体。
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And these are skeletons by now,
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现在(遗体)应该只剩下骸骨了,
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most of these crimes
happened 32 years ago.
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因为绝大部分罪行都发生在32年前。
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When we find the grave,
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我们找到坟墓,
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we take out the dirt and eventually clean
the body, document it, and exhume it.
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移走泥土,清洗骸骨,
登记注册,挖掘出来。
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We literally bring the
skeleton out of the ground.
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我们真的会把骸骨从地下挖出来。
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Once we have those bodies, though,
we take them back to the city, to our lab,
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挖出骸骨后,我们把它们带回来,
带到我们的实验室,
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and we begin a process of trying
to understand mainly two things:
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然后开始调查两件事:
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One is how people died.
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一是人是怎么死的。
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So here you see a gunshot
wound to the back of the head
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比方说这个人后脑有一处枪伤
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or a machete wound, for example.
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或者是被刀砍伤。
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The other thing we want to understand
is who they are.
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二是这些人的身份。
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Whether it's a baby,
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是一个婴儿,
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or an adult.
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还是一个成人。
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Whether it's a woman or a man.
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是女人还是男人。
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But when we're done
with that analysis
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当我们完成这(两)个分析后
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what we'll do is we'll take a small
fragment of the bone
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我们取下一小块骨头碎片
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and we'll extract DNA from it.
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提取出DNA。
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We'll take that DNA
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将这段DNA
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and then we'll compare it with the
DNA of the families, of course.
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与之前那些家庭提供的DNA作比对。
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The best way to explain this to you
is by showing you two cases.
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为了便于理解,我给大家举两个例子。
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The first is the case
of the military diary.
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第一个例子来自军事日志。
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Now this is a document that was smuggled
out of somewhere in 1999.
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这份日志是在1999年
从某处私运过来的。
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And what you see there
is the state following individuals,
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上面记录的是政府在
监视部分人的情况,
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people that, like you,
wanted to change their country,
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这些人,和你们一样,
是想要改变这个国家的人,
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and they jotted everything down.
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政府会把这些人的一切都记录下来。
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And one of the things that they wrote
down is when they executed them.
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其中一条就是何时处决他们。
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Inside that yellow rectangle,
you see a code,
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在这个黄色方框中,有一个代码,
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it's a secret code: 300.
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这是一个秘密代码:300。
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And then you see a date.
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后面还有一个日期。
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The 300 means "executed" and the date
means when they were executed.
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300表示“被处决”,而那个日期
则是执行的日期。
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Now that's going to come
into play in a second.
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这两条信息我们马上会用到。
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What we did is we conducted
an exhumation in 2003,
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我们调查了2003年的一次出土,
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where we exhumed 220 bodies
from 53 graves in a military base.
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当时我们从一个军事基地的
53个坟墓里挖出了220具遗体。
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Grave 9, though, matched the family
of Sergio Saul Linares.
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第9号坟墓(的骸骨)和
塞尔吉奥·索尔·利纳瑞斯的家庭匹配上了。
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Now Sergio was a professor
at the university.
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塞尔吉奥是一名大学教授。
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He graduted from Iowa State University
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毕业于爱荷华州立大学,
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and went back to Guatemala
to change his country.
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然后回到危地马拉去改变他的国家。
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And he was captured on
February 23, 1984.
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他于1984年2月23日被捕。
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And if you can see there, he was
executed on March 29, 1984,
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你如果看这里会知道,
他是1984年3月29日被处决的,
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which was incredible.
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这真的令人不可思议。
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We had the body, we had the family's
information and their DNA,
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我们有骸骨,我们有家庭提供的信息
和他们的DNA,
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and now we have documents
that told us exactly what happened.
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现在我们手里还有文件,
记录了事情的真相。
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But most important is about
two weeks later,
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但最重要的是,两周之后,
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we go another hit, another match
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我们找到了另一个匹配的结果,
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from the same grave to Amancio Villatoro.
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来自同一个坟墓,
和阿曼西奥·比利亚托罗(的DNA)匹配。
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The DNA of that body
also matched the DNA of that family.
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来自残骸的DNA和
他家庭成员的DNA相匹配。
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And then we noticed
that he was also in the diary.
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然后我们发现他也在日志中出现过。
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But it was amazing to see that he was
also executed on March 29, 1984.
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令人吃惊的是,我们发现
他也是在1984年3月29日被处决的。
05:03
So that led us to think, hmm,
how many bodies were in the grave?
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我们开始思考,
这个坟墓里到底有几具遗体?
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Six.
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6具。
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So then we said, how many people
were executed on March 29, 1984?
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又有多少人是在
1984年3月29日被处决的?
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That's right, six as well.
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对的,也是6个人。
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So we have Juan de Dios, Hugo,
Moises and Zoilo.
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所以还有胡安·德·迪奥斯,雨果,
莫伊塞斯和索伊洛。
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All of them executed on the same date,
all captured at different locations
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他们都在同一天被处决——
尽管他们是在不同的地方,
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and at different moments.
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不同的时刻被捕的——
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All put in that grave.
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但都被放进了那个坟墓。
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The only thing we needed now
was the DNA of those four families
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我们现在唯一需要的
便是那四个家庭的DNA。
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So we went and we looked for them
and we found them.
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所以我们立刻出发,找到了他们。
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And we identified those six bodies
and gave them back to the families.
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然后我们弄清了这6具遗体的身份,
并归还给了他们的家属。
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The other case I want to tell you about
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我想告诉你们的另一个案例,
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is that of a military base
called CREOMPAZ.
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发生在一处叫
“克雷欧姆帕斯”的军事基地。
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It actually means, "to believe in peace,"
but the acronym really means
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这个短语的意思是,“相信和平” ,
然而它的全称实际上是
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Regional Command Center
for Peacekeeping Operations.
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“维和行动地区指挥中心”。
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And this is where the Guatemalan military
trains peacekeepers from other countries,
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来自其他国家的维和人员
在这里接受危地马拉军方的训练,
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the ones that serve with the U.N.
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这些维和人员曾被联合国
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and go to countries
like Haiti and the Congo.
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派往海地和刚果等国执行任务。
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Well, we have testimony that said that
within this military base,
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有证词表明,在这个军事基地里,
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there were bodies, there were graves.
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有遗体,有坟墓。
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So we went in there with a search warrant
and about two hours after we went in,
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所以我们带着搜查令去了,
两个小时之后,
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we found the first of 84 graves,
a total of 533 bodies.
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我们找到了84个坟墓,
以及总共533具遗体。
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Now, if you think about that,
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大家想象一下,
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peacekeepers being trained
on top of bodies.
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维和人员踩在尸体上受训。
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It's very ironic.
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这场景多么讽刺。
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But the bodies -- face down, most of them,
hands tied behind their backs,
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但那些遗体——绝大部分脸朝下,
手被绑在身后,
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blindfolded, all types of trauma --
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眼睛被蒙起来,伤痕累累——
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these were people who were defenseless
who were being executed.
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明显就是在毫无抵抗能力的
情况下被处决的。
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People that 533 families are looking for.
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有533个家庭正在寻找他们。
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So we're going to focus on Grave 15.
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我们重点看一下15号坟墓。
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Grave 15, what we noticed,
was a grave full of women and children,
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我们发现15号坟墓,里面全是妇女和儿童,
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63 of them.
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总共63个人。
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And that immediately made us think,
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我们当时都震惊了,
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my goodness, where is there
a case like this?
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我的天呐,真是前所未见。
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When I got to Guatemala in 1995,
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1995年,当我抵达危地马拉的时候,
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I heard of a case of a massacre
that happened on May 14, 1982,
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我听说了一场
发生在1982年5月14日的大屠杀,
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where the army came in, killed the men,
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军队攻进来,杀光了男人,
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and took the women and children
in helicopters to an unknown location.
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然后把女人和孩子
用直升机运到了别处。
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Well, guess what?
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07:18
The clothing from this grave matched the
clothing from the region
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猜猜发生了什么?
这个坟墓里的衣服
和那个地区的服饰匹配上了,
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where these people were taken from,
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就是刚才说的那些人,
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where these women and children
were taken from.
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那些被带走的女人和
小孩所居住的区域。
07:27
So we conducted some DNA analysis,
and guess what?
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之后我们进行了DNA测试,
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We identified Martina Rojas
and Manuel Chen.
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识别出了玛蒂娜·罗哈斯和曼纽尔·陈。
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Both of them disappeared in that case,
and now we could prove it.
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他俩都在那次事件中失踪了,
而现在我们可以证实这一点。
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We have physical evidence that
proves that this happened
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我们有实体证据证明
这些人都被带到了这个基地。
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and that those people
were taken to this base.
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07:41
Now, Manuel Chen was three years old.
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曼纽尔·陈当时只有3岁。
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His mother went to the river to wash
clothes, and she left him with a neighbor.
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她妈妈到河边去洗衣服,
把他交给邻居照看。
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That's when the army came
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就是在那时军队来了,
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and that's when he was taken away in
a helicopter and never seen again
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他被一架直升机带走,
再也没有出现过,
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until we found him in Grave 15.
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直到我们在15号坟墓里找到了他。
07:57
So now with science, with archaeology,
with anthropology, with genetics,
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在考古学、人类学、
遗传学等科学的帮助下,
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what we're doing is, we're
giving a voice to the voiceless.
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我们能让弱势群体发出自己的声音。
08:05
But we're doing more than that.
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但我们并未止步于此。
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We're actually providing
evidence for trials,
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我们为审判提供证据,
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like the genocide trial that happened
last year in Guatemala
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比如去年在危地马拉
举行的种族屠杀审判,
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where General Ríos Montt was found guilty
of genocide and sentenced to 80 years.
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其中里奥斯·蒙特将军
因种族屠杀罪被判刑80年。
08:18
So I came here to tell you today
that this is happening everywhere --
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所以我今天来是想告诉大家
这样的事情仍在发生——
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it's happening in Mexico
right in front of us today --
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就在我们眼皮底下,就在墨西哥——
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and we can't let it go on anymore.
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而我们必须行动起来。
08:26
We have to now come together and decide
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我们必须团结一致,痛下决心,
08:29
that we're not going to have
any more missing.
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不要再让家破人亡的惨剧发生。
08:31
So no more missing, guys.
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不要再有惨剧了,朋友们。
08:32
Okay? No more missing.
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好吗?不要再有惨剧了。
08:35
Thank you.
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谢谢。
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