Michael Porter: Why business can be good at solving social problems

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翻译人员: Shiwen He 校对人员: Jun CHEN
00:12
I think we're all aware
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我想大家都意识到了
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that the world today is full of problems.
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当今世界问题重重
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We've been hearing them
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今天,昨天,数十年来的每一天
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today and yesterday and every day for decades.
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我们都会听到这些问题
00:23
Serious problems, big problems, pressing problems.
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严重的问题,大问题,紧急的问题
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Poor nutrition, access to water,
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营养不良,水资源不足
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climate change, deforestation,
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气候变化,森林面积减少
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lack of skills, insecurity, not enough food,
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技术不足,不安全,食物短缺
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not enough healthcare, pollution.
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医保不完善,环境污染
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There's problem after problem,
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问题层出不穷
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and I think what really separates this time
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而我认为真正使得当今世界
00:44
from any time I can remember in my brief time
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和我记忆中的任何片段有所不同的
00:48
on Earth is the awareness of these problems.
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是人们对于这些问题的关注
00:50
We're all very aware.
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我们都非常重视这些问题。
00:53
Why are we having so much trouble
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为什么我们在处理这些问题时
00:55
dealing with these problems?
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有这么多困难?
00:57
That's the question I've been struggling with,
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这是我一直在纠结的问题
01:00
coming from my very different perspective.
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(它们)来源于我有些与众不同的视角
01:04
I'm not a social problem guy.
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我不是那种解决社会问题的人
01:07
I'm a guy that works with business,
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我跟商业打交道
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helps business make money.
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我帮企业赚钱
01:13
God forbid.
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谢天谢地
01:16
So why are we having so many problems
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那么,为什么解决社会问题
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with these social problems,
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是这么困难
01:23
and really is there any role for business,
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商业会是解决方案之一吗?
01:25
and if so, what is that role?
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如果是的,它将扮演怎样的角色?
01:28
I think that in order to address that question,
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我想,为了解决这个问题
01:31
we have to step back and think about
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我们要先退一步想想
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how we've understood and pondered
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我们是如何理解和考虑
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both the problems and the solutions
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我们面临的种种社会难题
01:41
to these great social challenges that we face.
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以及对应的解决方案
01:45
Now, I think many have seen business
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现在,我想许多人会把商业
01:48
as the problem, or at least one of the problems,
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看作一个问题,或者至少是我们面临的
01:50
in many of the social challenges we face.
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众多社会问题之一
01:53
You know, think of the fast food industry,
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想想快餐业
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the drug industry, the banking industry.
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医药业,银行业
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You know, this is a low point
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人们对于商业的尊重
01:59
in the respect for business.
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处于历史最低点
02:02
Business is not seen as the solution.
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大家不认为商业是解决问题的办法
02:03
It's seen as the problem now, for most people.
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对于大多数人来说,商业本身就是个问题
02:07
And rightly so, in many cases.
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事实上很多情况下,也的确如此
02:09
There's a lot of bad actors out there
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社会上有很多坏榜样
02:11
that have done the wrong thing,
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他们做了错事
02:14
that actually have made the problem worse.
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让问题变得更糟糕
02:15
So this perspective is perhaps justified.
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所以这种观点也许是正当的。
02:19
How have we tended to see the solutions
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我们倾向于如何看待
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to these social problems,
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这众多社会问题
02:24
these many issues that we face in society?
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的解决方法呢?
02:27
Well, we've tended to see the solutions
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我们认为解决这些问题需要
02:29
in terms of NGOs,
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依靠NGO(非盈利政府组织)
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in terms of government,
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依靠政府
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in terms of philanthropy.
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或是慈善业
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Indeed, the kind of unique organizational entity
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的确,这个时代特有的组织形式
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of this age is this tremendous rise of NGOs
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就是NGO和各种社会组织
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and social organizations.
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的飞速崛起
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This is a unique, new organizational form
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这是一个独特的、全新的组织形式
02:47
that we've seen grown up.
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而我们看着它一点一滴地发展起来
02:49
Enormous innovation, enormous energy,
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大量的创新,巨大的能量
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enormous talent now has been mobilized
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令人惊叹的天赋,现在都通过
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through this structure
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这种结构调动起来
02:57
to try to deal with all of these challenges.
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用来试着解决各种挑战。
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And many of us here are deeply involved in that.
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而且在座很多人都深入地参与其中
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I'm a business school professor,
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我是一个商学院教授
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but I've actually founded, I think, now, four nonprofits.
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但是我目前已经成立了四个非营利组织
03:12
Whenever I got interested and became aware
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每当我对一个问题产生了兴趣,或是意识到
03:14
of a societal problem, that was what I did,
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哪个社会问题的存在,我就会成立一个
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form a nonprofit.
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非盈利组织
03:19
That was the way we've thought about how to deal
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这是我想到的
03:22
with these issues.
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处理这些问题的方法
03:23
Even a business school professor has thought about it that way.
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就连商学院教授都考虑过这个方法。
03:28
But I think at this moment,
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但是当前
03:30
we've been at this for quite a while.
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我们停留在这个阶段有很长时间了。
03:33
We've been aware of these problems for decades.
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数十年前我们就意识到了这些问题的存在。
03:35
We have decades of experience
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我们花费了数十年
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with our NGOs and with our government entities,
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从NGO以及政府部门中获取经验
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and there's an awkward reality.
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可是事实结果却令人尴尬
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The awkward reality is we're not making
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尴尬的现实是我们没有取得
03:45
fast enough progress.
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足够快的进展。
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We're not winning.
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我们并没有胜利。
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These problems still seem very daunting
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这些问题还是显得十分艰巨
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and very intractable,
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并且很难对付
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and any solutions we're achieving
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我们实现的解决方法
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are small solutions.
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还是很微小的解决方法。
03:59
We're making incremental progress.
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我们的进展仍然停留在量变阶段。
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What's the fundamental problem we have
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要解决这些社会问题
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in dealing with these social problems?
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最根本的问题是什么?
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If we cut all the complexity away,
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如果去掉各种细枝末节
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we have the problem of scale.
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我们需要解决规模化的问题。
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We can't scale.
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我们无法将方案规模化。
04:19
We can make progress. We can show benefits.
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我们可以取得进展 我们可以展示效益
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We can show results. We can make things better.
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我们可以展出成果 我们可以让情况变得更好
04:25
We're helping. We're doing better. We're doing good.
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我们正在努力 我们正在进步 我们做得很好
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We can't scale.
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但是我们无法规模化。
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We can't make a large-scale impact on these problems.
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我们无法对这些问题施加宏观的影响
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Why is that?
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这是为什么?
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Because we don't have the resources.
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因为我们没有资源
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And that's really clear now.
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这一点现在非常明显
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And that's clearer now than it's been for decades.
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数十年来这一点变得越来越明显
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There's simply not enough money
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利用现有的模式
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to deal with any of these problems at scale
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我们没有足够的资金
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using the current model.
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来大规模处理这些问题
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There's not enough tax revenue,
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我们没有足够的税收
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there's not enough philanthropic donations,
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也没有足够的慈善捐款
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to deal with these problems the way we're dealing with them now.
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来用现在的方式解决这些问题
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We've got to confront that reality.
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我们必须面对这个现实
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And the scarcity of resources
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而用于解决社会问题的资源的匮乏
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for dealing with these problems is only growing,
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只会进一步恶化
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certainly in the advanced world today,
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特别是在现代社会
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with all the fiscal problems we face.
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在我们面临各种财政问题时。
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So if it's fundamentally a resource problem,
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所以说,如果这根本上是资源问题,
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where are the resources in society?
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那社会上的资源都在哪儿呢?
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How are those resources really created,
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这些需要用于
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the resources we're going to need to deal
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解决社会问题的资源
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with all these societal challenges?
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都是如何产生的?
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Well there, I think the answer is very clear:
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看到这里,我相信答案已经非常明显了:
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They're in business.
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资源来自商业
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All wealth is actually created by business.
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一切财富实际上都由商业创造
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Business creates wealth
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当满足需求产生利润时
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when it meets needs at a profit.
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商业就创造财富
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That's how all wealth is created.
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所有财富就这样被创造出来
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It's meeting needs at a profit
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商业解决需求问题并获得利润
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that leads to taxes
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进而有了税收
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and that leads to incomes
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有了收入
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and that leads to charitable donations.
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最后有了慈善捐款
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That's where all the resources come from.
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资源就是这样产生的
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Only business can actually create resources.
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只有商业可以真正创造资源
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Other institutions can utilize them
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其他的行业可以利用它们
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to do important work,
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做各种重要的事
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but only business can create them.
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但是只有商业才能创造资源和财富
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And business creates them
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而当商业解决需求可以获利时
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when it's able to meet a need at a profit.
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商业就创造了资源。
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The resources are overwhelmingly
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绝大部分的资源
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generated by business.
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都是由商业所产生的。
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The question then is, how do we tap into this?
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接下来的问题在于,我们如何利用这一点?
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How do we tap into this?
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我们应该如何利用这一点呢?
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Business generates those resources
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商业生产了那些资源
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when it makes a profit.
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在有利可图的时候。
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That profit is that small difference
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这些利润就是
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between the price and the cost it takes to produce
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价格和生产成本之差
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whatever solution business has created
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无论商家为解决何种问题
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to whatever problem they're trying to solve.
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创造了怎样的解决方案。
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But that profit is the magic.
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然而这种利润很神奇。
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Why? Because that profit allows whatever solution
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为什么?因为这些利润使得
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we've created
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无论我们想到何种解决方法
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to be infinitely scalable.
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都变得可以无限扩展。
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Because if we can make a profit,
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因为如果我们可以获得利润,
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we can do it for 10, 100, a million,
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我们就可以让它变成10,100,一百万,
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100 million, a billion.
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一亿,甚至十亿。
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The solution becomes self-sustaining.
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解决方案可以自我维持下去
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That's what business does
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这就是商业所产生的效果
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when it makes a profit.
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当有利可图时。
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Now what does this all have to do
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那么,所有这些和社会问题
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with social problems?
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有什么关系呢?
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Well, one line of thinking is, let's take this profit
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其中一个想法是,让我们把利润
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and redeploy it into social problems.
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投入到社会问题的处理中去
08:01
Business should give more.
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商业应该贡献更多
08:03
Business should be more responsible.
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商业应该负起更多责任
08:04
And that's been the path that we've been on
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我们在商场中一直
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in business.
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遵循这一路径
08:09
But again, this path that we've been on
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但同时,我们所遵循的路径
08:11
is not getting us where we need to go.
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并没有带领我们到达我们要去的地方。
08:15
Now, I started out as a strategy professor,
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我开始(工作)时是一个战略学教授,
08:19
and I'm still a strategy professor.
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我现在仍然是一个战略学教授。
08:20
I'm proud of that.
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我以此为傲。
08:21
But I've also, over the years,
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但历经那么多年
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worked more and more on social issues.
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我也处理过越来越多的社会问题
08:26
I've worked on healthcare, the environment,
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我曾经从事过医疗保健方面,环境方面
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economic development, reducing poverty,
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经济发展方面,减少贫困方面的工作
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and as I worked more and more in the social field,
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当我越来越投身于社会领域
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I started seeing something
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我开始意识到,一些事情
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that had a profound impact on me
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在某些方面,对我的整个人生
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and my whole life, in a way.
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产生了深远的影响
08:45
The conventional wisdom in economics
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一直以来,经济学的传统理论
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and the view in business has historically been
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和商界观点都认为
08:53
that actually, there's a tradeoff
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事实上,社会福利和经济效益之间
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between social performance and economic performance.
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存在着权衡取舍关系
09:02
The conventional wisdom has been
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传统观点认为
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that business actually makes a profit
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企业实际上通过引起社会问题
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by causing a social problem.
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而获取利润
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The classic example is pollution.
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最经典的例子是环境污染
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If business pollutes, it makes more money
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如果企业自由排污,相对于想办法减排
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than if it tried to reduce that pollution.
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能赚到更多钱
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Reducing pollution is expensive,
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减排很昂贵
09:20
therefore businesses don't want to do it.
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因此企业不会愿意减排
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It's profitable to have an unsafe working environment.
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不安全的工作环境,能带来利润
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It's too expensive to have a safe working environment,
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而创造安全的工作环境,则太贵了
09:31
therefore business makes more money
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因此如果企业选择不安全的工作环境
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if they don't have a safe working environment.
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就能赚到更多的钱
09:34
That's been the conventional wisdom.
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这就是传统观点
09:38
A lot of companies have fallen into that conventional wisdom.
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很多公司信奉这种传统观点
09:40
They resisted environmental improvement.
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它们拒绝改善环境
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They resisted workplace improvement.
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拒绝对工作场所的升级
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That thinking has led to, I think,
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我想这些观点
09:52
much of the behavior
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导致了很多
09:53
that we have come to criticize in business,
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我们所批判的商业行为
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that I come to criticize in business.
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也是我所批判的商业行为
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But the more deeply I got into all these social issues,
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不过随着我更加深入地研究
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one after another,
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一个又一个的社会问题
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and actually, the more I tried to address them
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事实上,我越想解决由我个人
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myself, personally, in a few cases,
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来解决它们,在个别的情况下,
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through nonprofits that I was involved with,
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通过我所在的非营利组织,
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the more I found actually that the reality
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我越发觉得,现实是
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is the opposite.
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截然相反的
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Business does not profit
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企业并不通过
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from causing social problems,
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造成社会问题而获利
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actually not in any fundamental sense.
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实际上这根本就不对
10:24
That's a very simplistic view.
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这是一个被过于简化的观点
10:27
The deeper we get into these issues,
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我们越深刻地研究问题
10:29
the more we start to understand
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就越开始明白
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that actually business profits
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事实上,企业通过
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from solving from social problems.
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解决社会问题而获利
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That's where the real profit comes.
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这才是利润的来源。
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Let's take pollution.
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还是说污染问题
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We've learned today that actually
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我们知道当今世界
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reducing pollution and emissions
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减少污染和排放
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is generating profit.
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能够产生利润
10:49
It saves money.
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减排可以省钱
10:51
It makes the business more productive and efficient.
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能让企业更有效率,提高生产率
10:52
It doesn't waste resources.
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这样不会浪费资源
10:54
Having a safer working environment actually,
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更安全的工作环境
10:56
and avoiding accidents,
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能避免事故
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it makes the business more profitable,
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让企业利润增加
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because it's a sign of good processes.
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因为(安全的工作环境)代表好的工作流程
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Accidents are expensive and costly.
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事故是昂贵的,代价很高
11:07
Issue by issue by issue, we start to learn
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一次次的事故之后,我们逐渐明白了
11:09
that actually there's no trade-off
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实际上这种权衡关系并不存在于
11:12
between social progress
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社会进步和
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and economic efficiency
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经济效率之间
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in any fundamental sense.
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从根本上来看。
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Another issue is health.
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另一个问题是健康问题
11:22
I mean, what we've found is actually
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我们发现,实际上
11:25
health of employees is something
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企业应该重视
11:27
that business should treasure,
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员工的健康状况
11:28
because that health allows those employees
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因为健康的身体可以保证
11:30
to be more productive and come to work
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员工的工作效率
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and not be absent.
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和出勤率
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The deeper work, the new work, the new thinking
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深入的、新型的工作,
11:37
on the interface between business and social problems
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以及对商业和社会问题的全新交叉研究
11:42
is actually showing that there's a fundamental,
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都论证了这两者在本质上
11:45
deep synergy,
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是相辅相成的
11:46
particularly if you're not thinking in the very short run.
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尤其是,如果你考虑的不是短期效应
11:50
In the very short run, you can sometimes
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在很短的时期内,有时候
11:52
fool yourself into thinking
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你会觉得
11:54
that there's fundamentally opposing goals,
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它们的目标互相对立
11:57
but in the long run, ultimately, we're learning
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然而长期看来,最终我们发现
11:59
in field after field that this is simply not true.
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在各类领域,这种对立观点并不正确
12:04
So how could we tap into
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所以我们要怎样使用
12:07
the power of business
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商业的力量
12:10
to address the fundamental problems
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来解决我们面对的
12:12
that we face?
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这些根本问题呢?
12:14
Imagine if we could do that, because if we could do it,
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设想我们可以做到,因为如果我们可以去做
12:17
we could scale.
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我们就能规模化
12:19
We could tap into this enormous resource pool
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我们可以利用商业丰富的资源库
12:21
and this organizational capacity.
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和组织能力
12:24
And guess what? That's happening now, finally,
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你猜会怎样?终于,这些现在正在实现了,终于(实现了),
12:30
partly because of people like you
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一部分是因为像各位这样的人们
12:34
who have raised these issues now
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在这几十年来,年复一年
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for year after year and decade after decade.
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不断提出这些问题
12:39
We see organizations like Dow Chemical
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我们看到像陶氏这样的企业
12:41
leading the revolution away from trans fat
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发起了驱逐反式脂肪和饱和脂肪的改革
12:43
and saturated fat with innovative new products.
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开发了创新产品
12:46
This is an example of Jain Irrigation.
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这是一个Jain灌溉系统的例子
12:48
This is a company that's brought drip irrigation technology
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这个公司将点滴灌溉
12:51
to thousands and millions of farmers,
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推广到数以千万计的农户
12:53
reducing substantially the use of water.
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极大地减少了用水量
12:57
We see companies like the Brazilian forestry company Fibria
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我们发现一些公司,比如巴西林业企业Fibria
13:00
that's figured out how to avoid
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它设计出怎样
13:01
tearing down old growth forest
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避免采伐原始森林
13:03
and using eucalyptus and getting much more yield
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同时利用桉树的办法,并且提高了
13:06
per hectare of pulp
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每公顷的纸浆产量
13:08
and making much more paper than you could make
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制造尽可能多的纸张
13:10
by cutting down those old trees.
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用尽可能少的老树
13:12
You see companies like Cisco that are training
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你看到像Cisco这样的公司
13:15
so far four million people in I.T. skills
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目前已经培训了四百万人 在I.T.技术方面
13:19
to actually, yes, be responsible,
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目的当然是负责
13:21
but help expand the opportunity
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但也同时以此扩展市场机会
13:23
to disseminate I.T. technology
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传播I.T.技术
13:26
and grow the whole business.
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完善商业领域
13:27
There's a fundamental opportunity for business today
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如今,企业有很大的机会
13:32
to impact and address these social problems,
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去影响和解决这些社会问题
13:36
and this opportunity
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这种机会
13:37
is the largest business opportunity
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是我们在市场上看到的
13:40
we see in business.
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最为巨大的商机。
13:44
And the question is, how can we get business
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问题在于,我们如何改变商业思维
13:46
thinking to adapt this issue of shared value?
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让其适应“共享价值”的观念?
13:50
This is what I call shared value:
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我称之为共享价值(shared value):
13:51
addressing a social issue with a business model.
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用商业模型解决社会问题
13:55
That's shared value.
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就是共享价值
13:57
Shared value is capitalism,
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共享价值是资本主义
13:59
but it's a higher kind of capitalism.
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但是是更高层次的资本主义
14:01
It's capitalism as it was ultimately meant to be,
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这种资本主义的终极目标是
14:05
meeting important needs,
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解决重要需求
14:08
not incrementally competing for
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而不是不断地竞争在
14:11
trivial differences in product attributes
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产品的微观特性上
14:14
and market share.
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和市场份额中。
14:16
Shared value is when we can create social value
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共享价值就是,我们可以
14:18
and economic value simultaneously.
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同时创造社会和经济价值
14:21
It's finding those opportunities
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找寻这些机会
14:23
that will unleash the greatest possibility we have
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才能释放出我们拥有的可能性
14:26
to actually address these social problems
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来切实解决这些社会问题
14:28
because we can scale.
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因为我们可以规模化运作
14:30
We can address shared value at multiple levels.
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我们可以在不同层面上 实现共享价值
14:34
It's real. It's happening.
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这是真的,它正在发生
14:37
But in order to get this solution working,
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不过为了让它实现
14:40
we have to now change how business sees itself,
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我们现在必须改变 商业对自身的审视
14:44
and this is thankfully underway.
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欣慰的是,这正在发生。
14:47
Businesses got trapped into the conventional wisdom
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企业被传统思维所困
14:50
that they shouldn't worry about social problems,
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认为它们不需要担忧社会问题
14:52
that this was sort of something on the side,
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社会问题被放在一边
14:54
that somebody else was doing it.
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由其他人来解决
14:57
We're now seeing companies
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我们现在看到一些公司
14:58
embrace this idea.
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接受这种想法
15:01
But we also have to recognize business
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但是我们也必须意识到
15:03
is not going to do this as effectively
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企业做不到
15:06
as if we have NGOs and government
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像有NGO和政府
15:08
working in partnership with business.
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进行合作一样有效开展。
15:11
The new NGOs that are really moving the needle
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真正取得进展的NGO
15:14
are the ones that have found these partnerships,
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是那些找到这些合作伙伴的组织,
15:16
that have found these ways to collaborate.
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设那些找到这种合作方式的新式NGO
15:18
The governments that are making the most progress
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取得最大进展的政府
15:20
are the governments that have found ways
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是那些能让商家实现
15:22
to enable shared value in business
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共享价值的政府,
15:25
rather than see government as the only player
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这些政府没有
15:28
that has to call the shots.
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独挑大梁
15:31
And government has many ways in which it could impact
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而且政府有很多方法来
15:34
the willingness and the ability of companies
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促进公司的意愿和能力
15:36
to compete in this way.
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来激励它们这样竞争
15:38
I think if we can get business seeing itself differently,
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我想,如果我们能改变 商业对于自身的认知
15:41
and if we can get others seeing business differently,
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如果们能改变 其他人对于商业的看法
15:44
we can change the world.
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我们就能够改变世界
15:47
I know it. I'm seeing it.
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我知道这点。我能看到这天。
15:50
I'm feeling it.
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我能感觉得到。
15:52
Young people, I think,
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我想,年轻人们,
15:53
my Harvard Business School students, are getting it.
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我在哈佛商学院的学生们,能够理解这点
15:57
If we can break down this sort of divide,
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如果我们可以突破这种分歧
16:01
this unease, this tension,
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打消不安和焦虑
16:04
this sense that we're not
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以及在这里合作
16:06
fundamentally collaborating here
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并不是为了
16:08
in driving these social problems,
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制造社会问题
16:10
we can break this down,
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我们就能突破障碍
16:12
and we finally, I think,
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我认为,最终我们
16:14
can have solutions.
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可以得到解决方法
16:17
Thank you.
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谢谢
16:20
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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