How CRISPR lets us edit our DNA | Jennifer Doudna

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Prevodilac: Ivana Korom Lektor: Tijana Mihajlović
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A few years ago,
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Pre nekoliko godina,
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with my colleague, Emmanuelle Charpentier,
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sa kolegom Emanuelom Šarpentjeom,
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I invented a new technology for editing genomes.
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otkrila sam novu tehnologiju za preuređenje genoma.
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It's called CRISPR-Cas9.
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Ona se zove CRISPR-Cas9.
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The CRISPR technology allows scientists to make changes
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Ova tehnologija omogućava naučnicima da prave promene
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to the DNA in cells
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u DNK u ćelijama,
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that could allow us to cure genetic disease.
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koje nam mogu omogućiti da izlečimo genetske bolesti.
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You might be interested to know
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Možda će vas zanimati
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that the CRISPR technology came about through a basic research project
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da je CRISPR tehnologija nastala iz jednog jednostavnog istraživanja
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that was aimed at discovering how bacteria fight viral infections.
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koje je za cilj imalo da otkrije kako se bakterije bore protiv virusa.
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Bacteria have to deal with viruses in their environment,
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Bakterije u svojim okruženjima moraju da se susreću sa virusima
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and we can think about a viral infection like a ticking time bomb --
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i virusne infekcije možemo zamisliti kao tempirane bombe -
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a bacterium has only a few minutes to defuse the bomb
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bakterija ima samo nekoliko minuta da deaktivira bombu
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before it gets destroyed.
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pre nego što je ona uništi.
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So, many bacteria have in their cells an adaptive immune system called CRISPR,
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I tako mnoge bakterije u svojim ćelijama image adaptivni imuni sistem, CRISPR,
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that allows them to detect viral DNA and destroy it.
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koji im omogućava da otkriju i unište virusnu DNK.
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Part of the CRISPR system is a protein called Cas9,
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Deo CRISPR sistema je protein pod nazivom Cas9,
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that's able to seek out, cut and eventually degrade viral DNA
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koji može da pronađe, razdvoji i na kraju degradira virusnu DNK
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in a specific way.
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na jedan poseban način.
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And it was through our research
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Kroz naše istraživanje
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to understand the activity of this protein, Cas9,
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kojim smo želeli da razumemo aktivnost ovog proteina, Cas9,
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that we realized that we could harness its function
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shvatili smo da možemo da iskoristimo njegovu funkciju
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as a genetic engineering technology --
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kao tehnologiju genetskog inženjeringa -
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a way for scientists to delete or insert specific bits of DNA into cells
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način na koji naučnici odstrane ili ubace određene delove DNK u ćelije
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with incredible precision --
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sa izuzetnom preciznošću -
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that would offer opportunities
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kojom bismo dobili mogućnosti
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to do things that really haven't been possible in the past.
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da radimo stvari koje uopšte nisu bile moguće u prošlosti.
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The CRISPR technology has already been used
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CRISPR tehnologija je već korišćena
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to change the DNA in the cells of mice and monkeys,
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da promeni DNK u ćelijama miševa i majmuna,
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other organisms as well.
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kao i drugih organizama.
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Chinese scientists showed recently
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Kineski naučnici su nedavno pokazali
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that they could even use the CRISPR technology
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da CRISPR tehnologiju mogu da koriste
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to change genes in human embryos.
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čak i da promene gene u ljudskim embrionima.
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And scientists in Philadelphia showed they could use CRISPR
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A naučnici u Filadelfiji su pokazali da mogu da koriste CRISPR
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to remove the DNA of an integrated HIV virus
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da odstrane DNK integrisanih HIV virusa
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from infected human cells.
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iz zaraženih ljudskih ćelija.
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The opportunity to do this kind of genome editing
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Prilika da se na ovaj način preuređuje genom
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also raises various ethical issues that we have to consider,
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povlači za sobom etička pitanja koja moramo da razmotrimo,
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because this technology can be employed not only in adult cells,
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jer ova tehnologija može da se primeni ne samo na odraslim ćelijama,
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but also in the embryos of organisms,
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nego i na embrionima organizama,
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including our own species.
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uključujući i našu vrstu.
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And so, together with my colleagues,
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I tako, zajedno sa kolegama,
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I've called for a global conversation about the technology that I co-invented,
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pozvala sam na globalni razgovor o ovoj tehnologiji čiji sam su-osnivač,
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so that we can consider all of the ethical and societal implications
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kako bismo razmotrili sve etičke i društvene implikacije
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of a technology like this.
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jedne ovakve tehnologije.
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What I want to do now is tell you what the CRISPR technology is,
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Sada želim da vam ispričam šta je CRISPR tehnologija,
šta može da uradi,
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what it can do,
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where we are today
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gde smo danas
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and why I think we need to take a prudent path forward
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i zašto mislim da moramo mudro da postupamo
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in the way that we employ this technology.
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u načinu na koji ovu tehnologiju primenjujemo.
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When viruses infect a cell, they inject their DNA.
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Kada virusi zaraze neku ćeliju, oni ubace svoju DNK.
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And in a bacterium,
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A u bakteriji,
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the CRISPR system allows that DNA to be plucked out of the virus,
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CRISPR sistem dozvoljava da se DNK iznese iz virusa
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and inserted in little bits into the chromosome --
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i u malim delovima ubaci u hromozom -
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the DNA of the bacterium.
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u DNK bakterije.
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And these integrated bits of viral DNA get inserted at a site called CRISPR.
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Ovi integrisani delovi virusne DNK umeću se na mestu pod nazivom CRISPR.
CRISPR znači grupisana,
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CRISPR stands for clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats.
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pravilno raspoređena kratka palindromska ponavljanja.
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(Laughter)
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Složen pojam - shvatate zašto koristimo akronim CRISPR.
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A big mouthful -- you can see why we use the acronym CRISPR.
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It's a mechanism that allows cells to record, over time,
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To je mehanizam koji dozvoljava ćelijama da tokom vremena beleže
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the viruses they have been exposed to.
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viruse kojima su bile izložene.
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And importantly, those bits of DNA are passed on to the cells' progeny,
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I, što je važno, ti delovi DNK se prenose na potomke tih ćelija,
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so cells are protected from viruses not only in one generation,
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tako da su ćelije od virusa zaštićene ne samo u jednoj generaciji,
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but over many generations of cells.
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nego tokom mnogo generacija.
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This allows the cells to keep a record of infection,
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Ovo dozvoljava ćeliji da prati zaraze
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and as my colleague, Blake Wiedenheft, likes to say,
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i kako moj kolega, Blejk Videnheft, voli da kaže,
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the CRISPR locus is effectively a genetic vaccination card in cells.
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CRISPR je efikasna genetska karta vakcine u ćeliji.
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Once those bits of DNA have been inserted into the bacterial chromosome,
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Jednom kada se ti delovi DNK ubace u bakterijski hromozom,
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the cell then makes a little copy of a molecule called RNA,
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ćelija tada pravi malu kopiju molekula zvanog RNK,
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which is orange in this picture,
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koji je na ovoj slici narandžast,
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that is an exact replicate of the viral DNA.
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koji je doslovna replika virusne DNK.
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RNA is a chemical cousin of DNA,
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RNK je hemijski rođak DNK
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and it allows interaction with DNA molecules
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i dozvoljava interakciju sa molekulima DNK
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that have a matching sequence.
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koji imaju sličnu sekvencu.
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So those little bits of RNA from the CRISPR locus
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Dakle, ti delići RNK iz CRISPR-a
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associate -- they bind -- to protein called Cas9,
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vezuju se za protein pod nazivom Cas9,
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which is white in the picture,
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koji je na slici bele boje,
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and form a complex that functions like a sentinel in the cell.
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i formiraju sastav koji u ćeliji funkcioniše kao stražar.
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It searches through all of the DNA in the cell,
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On pretražuje svu DNK u ćeliji
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to find sites that match the sequences in the bound RNAs.
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kako bi našao mesta koja se poklapaju sa sekvencama vezane RNK.
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And when those sites are found --
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I kada ta mesta pronađe -
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as you can see here, the blue molecule is DNA --
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kao što ovde vidite, plavi molekul je DNK -
ovaj sastav se udružuje sa tom DNK
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this complex associates with that DNA
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and allows the Cas9 cleaver to cut up the viral DNA.
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i dozvoljava da sečivo Cas9 ispreseca virusnu DNK.
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It makes a very precise break.
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On pravi veoma precizan rez.
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So we can think of the Cas9 RNA sentinel complex
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Ovaj sastav Cas9 RNK stražara možemo da posmatramo
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like a pair of scissors that can cut DNA --
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kao par makaza koje mogu da seku DNK;
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it makes a double-stranded break in the DNA helix.
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on pravi dvostrani presek u DNK spirali.
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And importantly, this complex is programmable,
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Ono što je važno je da je ovaj sastav moguće programirati,
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so it can be programmed to recognize particular DNA sequences,
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da prepozna određene sekvence DNK
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and make a break in the DNA at that site.
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i preseče DNK na tom mestu.
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As I'm going to tell you now,
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I kao što ću vam sad reći,
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we recognized that that activity could be harnessed for genome engineering,
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prepoznali smo da ta aktivnost može da se iskoristi za genetski inženjering,
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to allow cells to make a very precise change to the DNA
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da dozvoli ćelijama da prave vrlo precizne promene u DNK
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at the site where this break was introduced.
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na mestu gde se napravi ovaj rez.
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That's sort of analogous
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Ovo je donekle analogno
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to the way that we use a word-processing program
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načinu na koji koristimo programe za obradu teksta
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to fix a typo in a document.
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kako bismo popravili grešku u nekom dokumentu.
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The reason we envisioned using the CRISPR system for genome engineering
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Razlog zašto smo zamislili korišćenje CRISPR-a za genetski inženjering
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is because cells have the ability to detect broken DNA
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je zato što ćelije imaju sposobnost da otkriju i poprave
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and repair it.
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oštećenu DNK.
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So when a plant or an animal cell detects a double-stranded break in its DNA,
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Kad ćelija biljke ili životinje otkrije dvostrani prekid u svojoj DNK,
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it can fix that break,
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ona može da ga popravi,
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either by pasting together the ends of the broken DNA
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ili tako što sastavi krajeve oštećene DNK
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with a little, tiny change in the sequence of that position,
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malom, sitnom promenom u sekvenci te pozicije,
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or it can repair the break by integrating a new piece of DNA at the site of the cut.
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ili integrisanjem novog komada DNK na mestu oštećenja.
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So if we have a way to introduce double-stranded breaks into DNA
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Dakle, ako imamo način da unesemo dvostrane prekide u DNK
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at precise places,
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na određenim mestima,
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we can trigger cells to repair those breaks,
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možemo podstaći ćelije da poprave ta oštećenja,
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by either the disruption or incorporation of new genetic information.
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ili prekidom ili uklapanjem nove genetske informacije.
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So if we were able to program the CRISPR technology
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Dakle, da možemo da isprogramiramo CRISPR tehnologiju
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to make a break in DNA
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da preseče DNK
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at the position at or near a mutation causing cystic fibrosis, for example,
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na mestu ili u blizini mutacije koja uzrokuje cističnu fibrozu, recimo,
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we could trigger cells to repair that mutation.
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podstakli bismo ćelije da poprave tu mutaciju.
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Genome engineering is actually not new, it's been in development since the 1970s.
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Genetski inženjering nije novost; razvija se od 1970-ih.
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We've had technologies for sequencing DNA,
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Postoje tehnologije za sekvenciranje DNK,
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for copying DNA,
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za kopiranje DNK,
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and even for manipulating DNA.
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i čak za manipulisanje DNK.
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And these technologies were very promising,
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One su mnogo obećavale,
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but the problem was that they were either inefficient,
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ali je problem bio što nisu bile efikasne
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or they were difficult enough to use
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ili su bile toliko složene za upotrebu
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that most scientists had not adopted them for use in their own laboratories,
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da ih većina naučnika nije usvojila u svom radu u laboratorijama,
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or certainly for many clinical applications.
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a kamoli za kliničke primene.
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So, the opportunity to take a technology like CRISPR and utilize it has appeal,
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Dakle, prilika da se koristi tehnologija
kao što je CRISPR je privlačna,
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because of its relative simplicity.
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zbog svoje relativne jednostavnosti.
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We can think of older genome engineering technologies
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Starije tehnologije genetskog inženjeringa
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as similar to having to rewire your computer
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možemo porediti sa ponovnim instaliranjem računara
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each time you want to run a new piece of software,
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svaki put kada želite da pokrenete novi program,
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whereas the CRISPR technology is like software for the genome,
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dok je CRISPR kao softver za genom;
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we can program it easily, using these little bits of RNA.
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možemo ga lako programirati koristeći ove male delove RNK.
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So once a double-stranded break is made in DNA,
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Jednom kad se napravi dvostrani presek u DNK,
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we can induce repair,
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možemo da pokrenemo popravku
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and thereby potentially achieve astounding things,
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i tako potencijalno postignemo izuzetne stvari,
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like being able to correct mutations that cause sickle cell anemia
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npr. da ispravimo mutacije koje uzrokuju anemiju ćelija
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or cause Huntington's Disease.
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ili Hantingtonovu bolest.
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I actually think that the first applications of the CRISPR technology
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Ja mislim da će se ova tehnologija prvo upotrebljavati na krvi,
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are going to happen in the blood,
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where it's relatively easier to deliver this tool into cells,
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gde je relativno lakše dovesti je u ćelije
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compared to solid tissues.
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u poređenju sa čvrstim tkivima.
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Right now, a lot of the work that's going on
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Trenutno, mnogo se radi
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applies to animal models of human disease, such as mice.
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na životinjskim modelima ljudskih bolesti, npr. miševima.
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The technology is being used to make very precise changes
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Ova tehnologija se koristi da se naprave vrlo precizne promene
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that allow us to study the way that these changes in the cell's DNA
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koje dozvoljavaju da proučavamo način na koji one u ćelijskoj DNK
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affect either a tissue or, in this case, an entire organism.
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utiču na tkivo ili, u ovom slučaju, na ceo organizam.
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Now in this example,
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U ovom primeru,
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the CRISPR technology was used to disrupt a gene
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CRISPR tehnologija je korišćena da poremeti gen
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by making a tiny change in the DNA
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pravljenjem male promene u DNK
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in a gene that is responsible for the black coat color of these mice.
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u genu koji je odgovoran za crnu boju ovih miševa.
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Imagine that these white mice differ from their pigmented litter-mates
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Zamislite da se ovi beli miševi razlikuju od svojih obojenih rođaka
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by just a tiny change at one gene in the entire genome,
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samo u maloj promeni jednog gena u celom genomu,
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and they're otherwise completely normal.
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a inače su potpuno normalni.
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And when we sequence the DNA from these animals,
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I kad sekvenciramo DNK onih životinja,
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we find that the change in the DNA
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otkrivamo da je ta promena u DNK
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has occurred at exactly the place where we induced it,
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nastala tačno na onom mestu gde smo je uveli
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using the CRISPR technology.
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koristeći CRISPR tehnologiju.
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Additional experiments are going on in other animals
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Dodatni eksperimenti se vrše na drugim životinjama,
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that are useful for creating models for human disease,
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koji su korisni za pravljenje modela ljudskih bolesti,
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such as monkeys.
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kao što su majmuni.
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And here we find that we can use these systems
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I ovde otkrivamo da možemo da koristimo ove sisteme
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to test the application of this technology in particular tissues,
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da testiramo primenu ove tehnologije na određenim tkivima,
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for example, figuring out how to deliver the CRISPR tool into cells.
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na primer, da razumemo kako da dostavimo CRISPR u ćelije.
09:40
We also want to understand better
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Takođe želimo bolje da razumemo
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how to control the way that DNA is repaired after it's cut,
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kako da kontrolišemo način na koji se DNK popravlja posle oštećenja,
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and also to figure out how to control and limit any kind of off-target,
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i da razumemo kako da kontrolišemo i ograničimo bilo kakvo odstupanje
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or unintended effects of using the technology.
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ili neželjene efekte korišćenja ove tehnologije.
09:56
I think that we will see clinical application of this technology,
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Mislim da ćemo kliničku primenu ove tehnologije,
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certainly in adults,
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sigurno kod odraslih,
videti u narednih 10 godina.
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within the next 10 years.
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10:05
I think that it's likely that we will see clinical trials
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Mislim da je verovatno da ćemo u tom vremenskom okviru
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and possibly even approved therapies within that time,
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videti klinička testiranja i možda odobrene terapije,
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which is a very exciting thing to think about.
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što je veoma uzbudljivo za razmišljanje.
10:15
And because of the excitement around this technology,
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I zbog uzbuđenja u vezi sa ovom tehnologijom,
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there's a lot of interest in start-up companies
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mnoge startap kompanije su veoma zainteresovane
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that have been founded to commercialize the CRISPR technology,
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i osnovane radi komercijalizacije CRISPR tehnologije,
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and lots of venture capitalists
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i mnogo investitora
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that have been investing in these companies.
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ulaže u te kompanije.
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But we have to also consider
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Međutim, moramo takođe da uzmemo u obzir
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that the CRISPR technology can be used for things like enhancement.
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da CRISPR tehnologija može da se koristi za npr. poboljšanja.
10:36
Imagine that we could try to engineer humans
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Zamislite da pokušamo da napravimo ljude
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that have enhanced properties, such as stronger bones,
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koji imaju pojačane osobine, kao što su jače kosti,
manja podložnost kardiovaskularnoj bolesti
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or less susceptibility to cardiovascular disease
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or even to have properties
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ili čak koji imaju osobine
10:49
that we would consider maybe to be desirable,
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koje bismo smatrali poželjnim,
na primer drugačija boja očiju ili visina, takve stvari.
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like a different eye color or to be taller, things like that.
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"Designer humans," if you will.
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„Dizajnirani ljudi“, da tako kažem.
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Right now, the genetic information
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Trenutno, genetske informacije
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to understand what types of genes would give rise to these traits
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kojima bismo znali koje vrste gena bi podstakle ove osobine
11:07
is mostly not known.
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uglavnom su nepoznate.
11:09
But it's important to know
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Međutim, važno je znati
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that the CRISPR technology gives us a tool to make such changes,
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da nam CRISPR tehnologija daje alat da takve promene pravimo,
11:15
once that knowledge becomes available.
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jednom kada budemo imali znanje.
11:18
This raises a number of ethical questions that we have to carefully consider,
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Ovo pokreće mnoga etička pitanja koja pažljivo moramo da razmotrimo
11:22
and this is why I and my colleagues have called for a global pause
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i zato smo ja i moje kolege pozvali na globalnu pauzu
11:27
in any clinical application of the CRISPR technology in human embryos,
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u bilo kakvoj kliničkoj primeni ove tehnologije na ljudskim embrionima,
11:31
to give us time
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da bismo dobili vremena
11:32
to really consider all of the various implications of doing so.
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da stvarno razmotrimo različite implikacije toga.
11:37
And actually, there is an important precedent for such a pause
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U stvari, postoji važan presedan za takvu pauzu iz 1970-ih
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from the 1970s,
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when scientists got together
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kada su se naučnici okupili
11:44
to call for a moratorium on the use of molecular cloning,
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da pozovu na moratorijum u korišćenju molekularnog kloniranja,
11:48
until the safety of that technology could be tested carefully and validated.
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dok bezbednost te tehnologije nije bila pažljivo testirana i potvrđena.
11:55
So, genome-engineered humans are not with us yet,
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Dakle, genetski izmenjeni ljudi još uvek nisu među nama,
12:00
but this is no longer science fiction.
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ali to više nije naučna fantastika.
12:04
Genome-engineered animals and plants are happening right now.
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Genetski modifikovane životinje i biljke se upravo dešavaju.
12:09
And this puts in front of all of us a huge responsibility,
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A to pred sve nas stavlja ogromnu odgovornost,
12:13
to consider carefully both the unintended consequences
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da pažljivo razmotrimo neželjene posledice,
12:17
as well as the intended impacts of a scientific breakthrough.
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ali i željene efekte nekog naučnog otkrića.
12:22
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
12:23
(Applause)
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12:31
(Applause ends)
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(Kraj aplauza)
12:33
Bruno Giussani: Jennifer, this is a technology with huge consequences,
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Bruno Đuzani: Dženifer, ovo je tehnoloija sa ogromnim posledicama,
12:37
as you pointed out.
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kao što ste istakli.
12:38
Your attitude about asking for a pause or a moratorium or a quarantine
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Vaš stav u vezi sa traženjem pauze, moratorijuma ili karantina
12:43
is incredibly responsible.
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je izuzetno odgovoran.
12:46
There are, of course, the therapeutic results of this,
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Naravno, postoje terapijski rezultati ovoga,
12:49
but then there are the un-therapeutic ones
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ali i neterapijski,
12:51
and they seem to be the ones gaining traction,
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a oni izgleda dobijaju pažnju,
12:53
particularly in the media.
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posebno u medijima.
12:54
This is one of the latest issues of The Economist -- "Editing humanity."
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Ovo je jedno od poslednjih izdanja „Ekonomista“ - „Menjanje čovečanstva“.
Priča se o genetskim poboljšanjima, ne o lečenjima.
12:59
It's all about genetic enhancement, it's not about therapeutics.
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13:03
What kind of reactions did you get back in March
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Kakve reakcije ste dobili u martu,
13:05
from your colleagues in the science world,
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od Vaših kolega iz naučnog sveta,
13:07
when you asked or suggested
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kada ste tražili ili preporučili
da bi trebalo da zastanemo i razmislimo na trenutak?
13:09
that we should actually pause this for a moment and think about it?
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13:13
Jennifer Doudna: My colleagues were actually, I think, delighted
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Dženifer Daudna: Mislim da su kolege u stvari bile oduševljene
13:16
to have the opportunity to discuss this openly.
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što imaju priliku da o ovome otvoreno razgovaraju.
13:18
It's interesting that as I talk to people,
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Zanimljivo je da, dok razgovaram sa ljudima,
13:20
my scientific colleagues as well as others,
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mojim kolegama naučnicima i ostalima,
13:23
there's a wide variety of viewpoints about this.
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postoji širok spektar viđenja ovoga.
13:25
So clearly it's a topic that needs careful consideration and discussion.
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Jasno je da je to tema koju je potrebno pažljivo razmotriti i o njoj pričati.
13:29
BG: There's a big meeting happening in December
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BĐ: U decembru će se održati veliki sastanak
13:31
that you and your colleagues are calling,
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koji ste organizovali Vi i Vaše kolege,
13:33
together with the National Academy of Sciences and others,
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zajedno sa Nacionalnom naučnom akademijom i drugima.
Šta se nadate da će biti ishod tog sastanka, u praktičnom smislu?
13:36
what do you hope will come out of the meeting, practically?
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13:39
JD: Well, I hope that we can air the views
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DžD: Nadam se da ćemo izneti stavove
13:41
of many different individuals and stakeholders
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mnogih pojedinaca i zainteresovanih strana
13:45
who want to think about how to use this technology responsibly.
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koje žele da razmišljaju o odgovornom korišćenju ove tehnologije.
13:49
It may not be possible to come up with a consensus point of view,
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Možda neće biti moguće postići konsenzus,
ali mislim da bi trebalo makar da razumemo
13:53
but I think we should at least understand
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koji su sve problemi u daljem radu.
13:55
what all the issues are as we go forward.
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BĐ: Vaše kolege,
13:57
BG: Now, colleagues of yours,
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kao što je Džordž Čerč, na primer, sa Harvarda,
13:58
like George Church, for example, at Harvard,
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kažu: „Da, etička pitanja su u osnovi pitanja sigurnosti.
14:00
they say, "Yeah, ethical issues basically are just a question of safety.
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Testiramo iznova i iznova, na životinjama u laboratoriji,
14:04
We test and test and test again, in animals and in labs,
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and then once we feel it's safe enough, we move on to humans."
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i kad osetimo da je dovoljno bezbedno, prelazimo na ljude.“
14:10
So that's kind of the other school of thought,
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To je druga struja razmišljanja,
14:13
that we should actually use this opportunity and really go for it.
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da možemo da iskoristimo ovu priliku i prihvatimo je.
14:16
Is there a possible split happening in the science community about this?
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Da li možda ovo podstiče razdor u naučnoj zajednici?
14:20
I mean, are we going to see some people holding back
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Mislim, da li ćemo videti da se neki uzdržavaju
14:22
because they have ethical concerns,
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zbog etičkih pitanja,
14:24
and some others just going forward
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a neki samo idu napred
14:26
because some countries under-regulate or don't regulate at all?
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jer neke zemlje imaju slabu ili nikakvu regulativu?
14:29
JD: Well, I think with any new technology, especially something like this,
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DžD: Mislim da će sa svakom novom tehnologijom, posebno ovakvom,
14:33
there are going to be a variety of viewpoints,
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biti različitih stavova
14:36
and I think that's perfectly understandable.
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i mislim da je to potpuno razumljivo.
14:39
I think that in the end,
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Mislim da će na kraju
14:41
this technology will be used for human genome engineering,
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ova tehnologija biti korišćena za inženjering ljudskog genoma,
14:46
but I think to do that without careful consideration and discussion
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ali mislim da ne bi bilo odgovorno
to uraditi bez pažljive diskusije i razmatranja
14:50
of the risks and potential complications
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rizika i potencijalnih komplikacija.
14:53
would not be responsible.
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14:54
BG: There are a lot of technologies and other fields of science
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BĐ: Postoje mnoge tehnologije i druga naučna polja
koja se razvijaju eksponencijalno, skoro kao vaše polje.
14:58
that are developing exponentially, pretty much like yours.
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15:00
I'm thinking about artificial intelligence, autonomous robots and so on.
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Mislim na veštačku inteligenciju, autonomne robote itd.
15:05
No one seems --
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Niko izgleda -
15:06
aside from autonomous warfare robots --
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osim autonomnih robota za ratovanje -
15:08
nobody seems to have launched a similar discussion in those fields,
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niko nije pokrenuo sličnu diskusiju u tim poljima,
15:13
in calling for a moratorium.
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pozvao na moratorijum.
15:15
Do you think that your discussion may serve as a blueprint for other fields?
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Da li mislite da će vaša diskusija poslužiti kao primer drugima?
15:19
JD: Well, I think it's hard for scientists to get out of the laboratory.
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DžD: Mislim da je naučnicima teško da izađu iz laboratorije.
15:22
Speaking for myself,
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Govoreći u svoje ime,
15:23
it's a little bit uncomfortable to do that.
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to je pomalo neprijatno.
15:26
But I do think that being involved in the genesis of this
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Međutim, mislim da, biti deo nastanka ovoga,
15:30
really puts me and my colleagues in a position of responsibility.
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stavlja mene i moje kolege u poziciju odgovornosti.
15:34
And I would say that I certainly hope that other technologies
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Rekla bih da se zaista nadam da će ostale tehnologije
15:37
will be considered in the same way,
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biti razmatrane na isti način,
15:40
just as we would want to consider something that could have implications
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kao što bismo želeli da razmotrimo nešto što bi moglo imati posledice
15:43
in other fields besides biology.
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u drugim poljima osim biologije.
15:45
BG: Jennifer, thanks for coming to TED.
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BĐ: Dženifer, hvala što ste došli na TED.
15:47
JD: Thank you.
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DžD: Hvala vama.
15:49
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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