The case for anonymity online | Christopher "moot" Poole

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譯者: Sherri Wu 審譯者: Joyce Chou
00:17
Tom Green: That's a 4chan thing.
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那是4chan的東西
00:19
These kids on the Internet, they have this group of kids
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網路上有群年輕人
00:21
and they like to say funny words
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喜歡說些“火星話”
00:23
like "barrel roll."
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像是"barrel roll"(星際穿梭)。
00:25
It's a video game move from "Star Fox."
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那是遊戲《星戰火狐》裡面的動作。
00:27
"Star Fox 20"? (Assistant: "Star Fox 64.")
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《星戰火狐20》?(《星戰火狐64》)
00:30
Tom Green: Yeah. And they've been dogging me for a year.
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對,然後他們糾纏了我一年。
00:32
I got to tell you, it's driving me nuts, actually.
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簡直快把我逼瘋。
00:34
Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and I scream,
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我甚至會在半夜醒來大叫:
00:37
"4chan!"
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"4chan!"
00:43
Christopher Poole: When I was 15,
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我15歲的時候
00:45
I found this website called Futaba Channel.
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發現了Futaba Channel這個網站。
00:48
And it was a Japanese forum and imageboard.
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那是一個日本的論壇和影像佈告欄。
00:52
That format of forum, at that time,
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當時那種論壇的型式
00:55
was not well-known outside of Japan.
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除了日本以外很少見。
00:57
And so what I did is I took it, I translated it into English,
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所以我就做了一個英文版的,
01:00
and I stuck it up for my friends to use.
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然後推薦給親朋好友。
01:03
Now, six and a half years later,
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六年半後的今天,
01:05
over seven million people are using it,
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4chan的用戶已經超過七百萬人,
01:07
contributing over 700,000 posts per day.
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每天有超過70萬則貼文。
01:10
And we've gone from one board
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而且我們已經從一個討論版
01:12
to 48 boards.
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擴充到48個討論版。
01:15
This is what it looks like.
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這就是4chan的頁面。
01:17
So, what's unique about the site
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它的特色在於
01:19
is that it's anonymous,
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它的匿名性,
01:21
and it has no memory.
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還有它不會保留任何紀錄。
01:23
There's no archive, there are no barriers, there's no registration.
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沒有存檔、沒有限制、不用註冊。
01:26
These things that we're used to with forums
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這些在一般論壇很常見的東西
01:28
don't exist on 4chan.
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4chan都沒有。
01:30
And that's led to this
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所以就產生了這些
01:32
discussion that's completely raw, completely unfiltered.
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赤裸裸、完全未經過濾的討論串。
01:37
What the site's known for,
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4chan之所以紅,
01:39
because it has this environment,
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是因為它提供的這種環境
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is it's fostered the creation of a lot of
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創造了許多
01:43
Internet phenomena, viral videos and whatnot, known as "memes."
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網路爆紅現象(例如kuso短片)。
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Two of the largest memes that have come out of this site
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從4chan出來的兩大當紅炸子雞,
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some of you might be familiar with are these LOLcats --
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你們有人可能已經知道,首先是LOLcats--
01:51
just silly pictures of cats with text.
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就是些搞笑的貓咪照片加上設計對白。
01:54
And this resonates with millions of people, apparently,
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顯然有很多人喜歡,
01:56
because there are tens of thousands of these,
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因為網路上有好幾萬張這種照片,
01:58
and there is a whole blogging empire now
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而且已經發展出一個部落格帝國,
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dedicated to pictures like these.
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專門放這種照片。
02:03
And Rick Astley's kind of rebirth
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再來是Rick Astley這兩年
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these past two years ...
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又再度竄紅...
02:08
Rickroll was this bait and switch,
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Rickroll指的就是用偽連結惡搞,
02:10
really simple, classic bait and switch.
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非常簡單又歷久不衰的手法
02:12
Somebody says they're linking to something interesting,
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某人說連結點進去是有趣的東西,
02:15
and you get an '80s pop song. That's all it was.
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結果你看到的是80年代的流行歌。就這樣。
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And it got big enough to the point where
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Rickroll現象紅到,
02:20
there was a float last year at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade,
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去年梅西百貨的感恩節遊行裡就有個氣墊花車
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and Rick Astley pops out, and rickrolls
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上面突然出現Rick Astley的現場表演
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millions of people on television.
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“rickroll”了電視機前的幾百萬觀眾。
02:27
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:30
There are thousands of memes that come out of the site.
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4chan創造了上千個網路爆紅現象。
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There are a handful that have escaped into the mainstream,
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有些甚至紅到主流媒體,
02:34
the ones I've just shown you,
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像是我剛舉的那兩個例子,
02:36
but every day, every month,
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但無時無刻
02:39
people are producing thousands of these.
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網友都在製造一堆這種東西。
02:43
So does a site like this have rules?
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所以這種網站有使用規則嗎?
02:45
We do; they're the codified rules that I've come up with,
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有的;我定了一組規則,
02:48
which are more-or-less ignored by the community.
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只是沒人要理。
02:51
And so they've come up with their own set of rules,
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而且網友做了另一個版本,
02:53
the "Rules of the Internet."
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叫作《網路使用守則》。
02:55
And so there are three that I want to show you specifically.
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我特別挑出三條給你們看。
02:58
Rule one is you don't talk about /b/.
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第一條,不要提/b/。
03:01
Two is you do not talk about /b/.
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第二條,千萬不要提/b/。
03:04
And this one's kind of interesting:
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下一條還蠻有趣:
03:06
"If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions."
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『有它就有色情,絕無例外。』
03:09
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:11
And I will spare you that slide.
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我就不給你們看那張投影片了。
03:13
I assure you, it is very true.
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但我保證他們所言不假。
03:16
/b/ is the first board we started with,
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/b/是創站的第一個討論版,
03:19
and it is, in many ways,
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從很多方面來看,
03:21
the beating heart of the website.
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它都是這個網站的核心,
03:23
It is where a third of all the traffic is going.
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占了4chan三分之一的流量。
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And /b/ is known for,
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/b/最出名的地方
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more than anything,
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不只是
03:30
not just the memes they've created, but the exploits.
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它創造的網路爆紅現象,而是網路漏洞。
03:33
And Chris just touched on one of those a second ago,
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Chris剛剛才提到其中一個例子,
03:36
and that was the Time 100 poll.
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就是《時代》百大人物票選。
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So somebody at Time, at the magazine,
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《時代》雜誌的某個人
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thought it would be fun to nominate me
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看到網友去年做的這件事,
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for this thing they did last year.
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覺得提名我可能會很有趣,
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And so they placed me on it,
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就把我放在名單上。
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and the Internet got wind of it. My community
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網友知道後,
03:51
decided they wanted me to win it.
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決定讓我贏得票選。
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I didn't instruct them to do it; they just decided that that's what they wanted.
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我沒有叫他們這麼做,這完全是自發性的。
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And so, you know, 390 percent approval rating ain't so bad.
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所以百分之三百九十的支持率還不算太差。
04:00
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:02
So they broke that poll.
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他們竄改民調,
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And I ended up on top.
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讓我勇奪冠軍寶座。
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I ended up at this really fancy party.
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我參加了這個非常奢華的派對。
04:10
But that's not what's interesting about this.
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這還不是有趣的地方。
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It's that they weren't putting me at the top of this list;
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有趣的是,他們不是要把我擺到第一名,
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they were actually --
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他們實際上--
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it got so sophisticated to the point where they gamed
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厲害到可以設計得名者的順序
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all of the top 21 places
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使前21名的字首排起來是
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to spell "mARBLECAKE. ALSO, THE GAME."
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「mARBLECAKE. ALSO, THE GAME」(4Chan二大招牌)
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:29
The amount of time and effort that went into that
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惡搞這個所耗費的時間和精力
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is absolutely incredible.
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絕對非常多。
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And "marble cake" is significant because
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"marble cake"的重要性在於
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it is the channel that this group called Anonymous organized.
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它是由這個名為“匿名”的團體所組成的平台
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Anonymous is this group of people
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而這一群人,就是
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that protested, very famously,
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反對山塔基教(科學教)
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Scientology.
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最著名的一個團體
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The story is,
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事情是這樣的:
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Scientology had this embarrassing video of Tom Cruise. It went up online.
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山塔基教有段湯姆克魯斯的可笑影片流到網路上
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They got it taken offline and managed to piss off part of the Internet.
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他們把影片拿掉時激怒了部分網民
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And so these people, over 7,000 people,
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於是有超過7,000人
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less than one month later,
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在一個月内
05:00
organized in a hundred cities around the globe and --
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在世界各地上百個城市裏組織了--
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this is L.A. --
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這是洛杉磯--
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protested the Church of Scientology,
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抗議山塔基教的活動
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and they have continued to do so,
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這抗議持續進行
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now, two full years after the fact.
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如今二年過去了
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They are still protesting.
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他們還在抗議
05:13
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
05:20
So we've got this activist group that's this grassroots group
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所以我們網站有出這種
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that's come out of the site.
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草根行動派的團體
05:25
And last, I'm going to show you the example,
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最後,我要給你們看的例子是
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the story of Dusty the cat.
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Dusty貓的故事
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Dusty is the name that we've given to this cat.
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Dusty是我們幫這隻貓取的名字
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This young man
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這個年輕人
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posted a video
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上傳了一段
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of him abusing his cat on YouTube.
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他自己虐貓的影片到YouTube
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And, you know, this didn't sit well with people,
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惹毛了很多人
05:42
and so there was this outpouring of support
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於是很多人跳出來
05:46
for people to do something about this.
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呼籲有能者想想辦法
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So what they did is they -- I mean, they put CSI to shame here --
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而這些人做到的--足以令C.S.I蒙羞--
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the Internet detectives came out.
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網路偵探出動
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They matched, they found his MySpace.
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經過比對,找到那個人的MySpace
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They took the YouTube video and they mashed everything in the video.
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他們仔細過濾影片中的每個細節
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Within 24 hours,
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在24小時内
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they had his name,
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就查出他的名字
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and within 48 hours, he was arrested.
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48小時内,那個人就被逮捕了
06:09
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
06:16
And so, what I think is really intriguing
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我認爲像4chan這樣的社群
06:18
about a community like 4chan
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最讓人省思的
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is just that it's this open place.
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就是它提供的開放空間
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As I said, it's raw, it's unfiltered.
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是赤裸裸、未經過濾的
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And sites like it are kind of
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而像這樣的網站
06:26
going the way of the dinosaur right now.
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正步上恐龍的後塵
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They're endangered because we're moving
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他們快絕種是因為
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towards social networking.
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現在社交網站是主流
06:32
We're moving towards persistent identity.
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我們正往永久身份邁進
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We're moving towards,
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整個大方向是
06:37
you know, a lack of privacy, really.
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你知道,完全缺乏隱私
06:39
We're sacrificing a lot of that, and I think in doing so,
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我們犧牲了很多隱私,而且我認爲如此一來
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moving towards those things, we're losing something valuable.
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我們也失去了一些寶貴的東西
06:45
Thank you.
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謝謝大家
06:47
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
06:55
Chris Anderson: Thank you.
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(Chris Anderson)謝謝
06:57
Got a couple questions for you.
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一些問題想請教您
06:59
But if I ask them, is the TED website going to go down?
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不過如果我問了,TED網站會有事嗎?
07:02
CP: You're lucky that this is not
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你運氣不錯
07:04
being streamed to them live right now.
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這場演講沒有在網上直播
07:06
CA: Well, you never know. Some of them --
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難説吧,有些人--
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we've got people in 75 countries out there watching.
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我們的觀衆可是遍及75國
07:11
Don't tell.
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別説出去
07:14
But seriously,
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言歸正傳,
07:16
this issue on anonymity is --
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關於匿名的問題
07:18
I mean, you made the case there.
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你的論點很清楚
07:20
But anonymity basically allows people to say anything,
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但匿名基本上就是讓人想說什麽就說什麽
07:23
all the rules gone.
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所有的規則都不存在了
07:25
You've had to wrestle with issues like child pornography.
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你曾經得處理像兒童色情這類的問題
07:27
And I'm just curious whether you
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所以我很好奇
07:30
sometimes lie awake in the night
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你有沒有曾經半夜睡不着
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worrying that you've opened Pandora's box.
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擔心自己打開了潘多拉的盒子?
07:36
CP: Yes and no.
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是,也不是
07:38
I mean, for as much good
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在這個環境裏
07:40
that kind of comes out of this environment,
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出了很多好東西
07:42
there is plenty of bad.
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當然也有很多壞東西
07:44
There are plenty of downsides.
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儘管有缺點,
07:46
But I think that the greater good
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我認爲更崇高的目標
07:49
is being served here by just allowing people --
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應該是讓大家--
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there are very few places, now, where you can go
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有地方讓你可以
07:54
and not have identity, to be completely anonymous
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不用表明身份,完全匿名
07:56
and say whatever you'd like.
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然後暢所欲言
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And saying whatever you like, I think, is powerful.
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暢所欲言是一件很有力的事
08:01
Doing whatever you like is now crossing a line.
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爲所欲爲才太超過
08:03
But I think it's important to have these places.
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但我認爲有這些地方是很重要的
08:06
When I get emails, people say, "Thank you for giving me this place,
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我就常收到email說:“謝謝你提供這個地方,
08:09
this outlet, where I can come after work
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這個抒發的管道讓我可以在下班後
08:11
and be myself."
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做我自己。”
08:13
CA: But words, saying things,
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但是語言
08:17
you know, can be constructive; it can be really damaging.
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可以載舟,也可以覆舟
08:20
And if you cut the link between what is said
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如果你把自己跟說過的話
08:23
and any attribution back to you,
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做切割(不負言論責任)
08:25
I mean, surely there are huge risks with that.
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當然這有很大的風險
08:28
CP: There are, certainly.
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當然
08:30
But --
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但是--
08:32
CA: Tell me about what -- I mean, I think you asked the board
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來談談這個吧--聽説你在版上問
08:35
what you might say at TED, right?
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在TED要講些什麽對吧?
08:37
CP: Yeah, I posted a thread
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是的,星期天時
08:39
on Sunday.
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我發了一個帖
08:41
And within 24 hours,
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24小時内
08:43
it had over 12,000 responses.
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就有1萬2千多個回覆
08:45
And the thing is,
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重點是,
08:48
I didn't make it into that presentation
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我都沒採納
08:50
because I can't read to you anything that they said, more or less.
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因爲我不能把内容念給你們聼
08:52
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:54
99 percent of it is just,
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如果我念了,
08:57
would have been, you know, bleeped out.
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99%的内容都會被消音
08:59
But there were some good things that came out of that too.
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但還是有些不錯的内容
09:01
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:03
Love and peace were mentioned.
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像愛與和平就被提到
09:05
CA: Love and peace were mentioned,
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“愛”與“和平”,
09:07
kind of with quote marks around them, right?
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應該不是字面意義那麽簡單吧?
09:09
CP: Cats and dogs were mentioned too.
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貓跟狗也被提到
09:11
CA: And that content is all off the board now.
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那些内容都已經移除了吧
09:14
Right, it's gone? Or is it still up there?
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還是還在?
09:16
CP: I stuck that thread so it lasted a few days.
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我保留了我的原帖,所以討論又延續了幾天
09:18
It went up to about 16,000 posts,
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總文章數大約有1萬6千篇
09:20
and now it has been taken off.
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現在都已經移除了
09:23
CA: Okay, well.
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09:27
Now, I'm not sure I would have necessarily recommended
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反正我也不確定該不該建議
09:29
everyone at TED to go and check it out anyway.
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所有TED人去看一看你的討論版
09:33
Chris, you yourself? I mean, you're a figure of some intrigue.
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談談你自己吧,Chris,你是個神秘人物
09:36
You've got this surprising
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你的“半地下”影響力
09:38
semi-underground influence,
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讓人驚訝
09:41
but it's not making you a lot of money, yet.
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可是這還沒能讓你發財
09:45
What's the commercial picture here?
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你的市場規劃是什麽?
09:48
CP: The commercial picture is that there really isn't
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市場規劃就是,我想,
09:50
much of one, I guess.
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沒有什麽市場規劃
09:52
The site has adult content on it.
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這個網站有成人内容
09:55
I mean, obviously, it's got some very offensive, obscene content on it,
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有些非常限制級
09:57
just in terms of language alone.
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光是語言就很色情
09:59
And when you've got that, you've pretty much sacrificed
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當你有這些内容在,你就犧牲了
10:02
any hope of making lots of money.
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賺大錢的機會
10:05
CA: But you still live at home, right?
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你還住在家裏對吧?
10:08
CP: I actually moved out recently.
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事實上我最近剛搬出來
10:10
CA: That's very cool.
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10:12
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
10:14
CP: I got out of Mom's, and I'm back in school right now.
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我不跟我媽住了,而且我恢復了學生身份
10:17
CA: But what conversations did you or do you
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但你都跟令堂
10:19
have with your mother about 4chan?
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怎麽說4chan?
10:22
CP: At first, very kind of pained,
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一開始有點痛苦,
10:24
awkward conversations.
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感覺怪怪的
10:26
The content is not dinner table conversation in the least.
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這種内容本來就不是什麽餐桌上的對話
10:30
But my parents -- I think part of why
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但是我父母--我想他們
10:33
they kind of are able to appreciate it
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能欣賞我說的話
10:36
is because they don't understand it.
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是因為他們聼不懂
10:38
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:41
CA: And they were probably pleased to see you
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而且他們應該很高興看到你
10:44
on top of the Time poll.
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登上時代百大的第一名
10:46
CP: Yeah. They still didn't know what to think of that though.
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是,但他們還是不知道該作何感想
10:49
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:51
CA: And so, in 10 years' time,
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十年後,
10:53
what do you picture yourself doing?
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你覺得自己會做什麽?
10:56
CP: That's a good question.
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這是個好問題
10:58
As I said, I just went back to school,
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我剛回復學生身份
11:00
and I am considering
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現在正考慮
11:02
majoring in urban studies
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主修都市研究
11:04
and then going on to urban planning,
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然後再進修都市計劃
11:06
kind of taking whatever I've learned from online communities
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把我從社群網站上學到的東西
11:09
and trying to adapt that
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試著應用在
11:11
to a physical community.
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實體社會裏
11:14
CA: Chris, thank you. Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for coming to TED.
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謝謝你,Chris。演講太棒了!謝謝你來到TED。
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