The case for anonymity online | Christopher "moot" Poole

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Sunphil Ga ๊ฒ€ํ† : JY Kang
00:17
Tom Green: That's a 4chan thing.
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Tom Green : ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํฌ์ฐฌ(4chan) ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์š”.
00:19
These kids on the Internet, they have this group of kids
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์—์„œ ์• ๋“ค๋ผ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ์—ฌ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ 
00:21
and they like to say funny words
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'๊ตด๋Ÿฌ!(Barrel Roll!)' ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ดด์ƒํ•œ ๋ง์ด๋‚˜
00:23
like "barrel roll."
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ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
00:25
It's a video game move from "Star Fox."
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"์Šคํƒ€ํญ์Šค"๋ผ๋Š” ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๋ง์ธ๋ฐ์š”.
00:27
"Star Fox 20"? (Assistant: "Star Fox 64.")
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"์Šคํƒ€ํญ์Šค20์˜€๋‚˜?"(์ง„ํ–‰๋ณด์กฐ: "์Šคํƒ€ํญ์Šค64์š”")
00:30
Tom Green: Yeah. And they've been dogging me for a year.
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T G: ๋„ค. ์•„๋ฌดํŠผ ๊ฑ”๋“ค์ด ์ ˆ 1๋…„์ด๋‚˜ ๊ดด๋กญํ˜”๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
00:32
I got to tell you, it's driving me nuts, actually.
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๋‚ด๋ง์€, ์ง„์งœ ๋ฏธ์น  ์ง€๊ฒฝ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
00:34
Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and I scream,
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๊ฐ€๋”์”ฉ ํ•œ ๋ฐค์ค‘์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ •๋„๋กœ์š”.
00:37
"4chan!"
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"ํฌ์ฐฌ!"
00:43
Christopher Poole: When I was 15,
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C P: ์ œ๊ฐ€ 15์‚ด ๋•Œ,
00:45
I found this website called Futaba Channel.
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ํ›„ํƒ€๋ฐ”์ฑ„๋„(2chan.net)์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
00:48
And it was a Japanese forum and imageboard.
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์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ† ๋ก ์žฅ ๋ฐ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
That format of forum, at that time,
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๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์— ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํฌ๋Ÿผ ํ˜•์‹์€
00:55
was not well-known outside of Japan.
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์ผ๋ณธ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ๋Š” ์ž˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
00:57
And so what I did is I took it, I translated it into English,
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™€, ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์„ ํ•ด์„œ
01:00
and I stuck it up for my friends to use.
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์ œ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:03
Now, six and a half years later,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , 6๋…„ ๋ฐ˜์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ์ง€๊ธˆ,
01:05
over seven million people are using it,
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๋งค๋‹ฌ 7๋ฐฑ๋งŒ์ด ๋„˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ ‘์†ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:07
contributing over 700,000 posts per day.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 70๋งŒ๊ฐœ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ๊ธ€์ด ์˜ฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:10
And we've gone from one board
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์—์„œ ์ถœ๋ฐœํ•ด์„œ
01:12
to 48 boards.
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48๊ฐœ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚ฌ์ฃ .
01:15
This is what it looks like.
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ํฌ์ฐฌ์€ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
So, what's unique about the site
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์˜ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ํŠน์ง•์€
01:19
is that it's anonymous,
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์ต๋ช…์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:21
and it has no memory.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋ณด์กดํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
There's no archive, there are no barriers, there's no registration.
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๋ณด๊ด€ํ•จ๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ๊ธ€์˜ ์ œํ•œ๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ํšŒ์›๊ฐ€์ž…๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:26
These things that we're used to with forums
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฌ๋Ÿผ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ์ต์ˆ™ํ•œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด
01:28
don't exist on 4chan.
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ํฌ์ฐฌ์— ์กด์žฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:30
And that's led to this
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํŠน์ง•๋“ค ๋•๋ถ„์—
01:32
discussion that's completely raw, completely unfiltered.
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์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ์˜ ์ž์œ ๋กœ์šด ํ† ๋ก ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:37
What the site's known for,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฌ์ฐฌ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š”
01:39
because it has this environment,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ด์šฉํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ
01:41
is it's fostered the creation of a lot of
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์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํผ์ง€๋Š” ๋™์˜์ƒ ๋“ฑ๋“ฑ์˜
01:43
Internet phenomena, viral videos and whatnot, known as "memes."
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'๋ฐˆ(meme)'์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ‘œ๋˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง„ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:46
Two of the largest memes that have come out of this site
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ฐˆ๋ฌธํ™”๋“ค์ค‘์— ๋‘๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:48
some of you might be familiar with are these LOLcats --
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๋ถ„์€ ์›ƒ์Œ์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ณ ์–‘์ด(LOLcats) ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์•„์‹ค์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
01:51
just silly pictures of cats with text.
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์šฐ์Šค๊ฝ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ณ ์–‘์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์— ์ œ๋ชฉ์„ ๋ถ™์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
01:54
And this resonates with millions of people, apparently,
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ์œ ํ–‰์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:56
because there are tens of thousands of these,
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๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์‚ฌ์ง„์ด ์ˆ˜๋งŒ๊ฐœ๋‚˜ ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ ,
01:58
and there is a whole blogging empire now
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๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์ง„๋“ค์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ
02:00
dedicated to pictures like these.
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๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ ๋ธ”๋กœ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๊นŒ์ง€ ์žˆ์„ ์ •๋„๋กœ์š”.
02:03
And Rick Astley's kind of rebirth
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๋ฆญ ์• ์Šฌ๋ฆฌ(Rick Astley)๊ฐ€ ์ธ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ผ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ฃ .
02:06
these past two years ...
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2๋…„์ „์—..
02:08
Rickroll was this bait and switch,
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๋ฆญ๋กค(Rickroll)์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ผฌ๋“œ๊ฒจ ๋†€๋ž˜ํ‚ค๋Š” ์žฅ๋‚œ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:10
really simple, classic bait and switch.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ณ ์ „์ ์ธ ์žฅ๋‚œ์ด์ฃ .
02:12
Somebody says they're linking to something interesting,
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์žฌ๋ฐŒ๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด์„œ ๊ธ€์„ ์˜ฌ๋ ธ๊ณ 
02:15
and you get an '80s pop song. That's all it was.
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๋ง‰์ƒ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ณด๋ฉด 80๋…„๋Œ€ ํŒ์†ก ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๋†€๋ž˜ํ‚ค๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์˜€์–ด์š”.
02:18
And it got big enough to the point where
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๊ธ€์˜ ์กฐํšŒ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ”๊ณ ,
02:20
there was a float last year at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ, ์ž‘๋…„ ์ถ”์ˆ˜๊ฐ์‚ฌ์ ˆ ํผ๋ ˆ์ด๋“œ ํ–‰๋ ฌ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ๋งˆ์ฐจ์—์„œ
02:23
and Rick Astley pops out, and rickrolls
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๋ฆญ ์• ์Šฌ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋“ฑ์žฅํ•ด์„œ, TV๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„
02:25
millions of people on television.
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์ง„์งœ๋กœ ๋†€๋ž˜ํ‚ค๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ด๋ฅด๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:27
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:30
There are thousands of memes that come out of the site.
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๋งŽ์€ ๋ฐˆ๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‚˜์™”์ง€๋งŒ,
02:32
There are a handful that have escaped into the mainstream,
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๊ทธ ์ค‘์—์„œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์ฃผ๋ฅ˜๋ฌธํ™”์— ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:34
the ones I've just shown you,
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๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฐ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋“ค ์ •๋„์ฃ .
02:36
but every day, every month,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์ผ ํ˜น์€ ๋งค๋‹ฌ,
02:39
people are producing thousands of these.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธํ™”๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์—†์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:43
So does a site like this have rules?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—๋Š” ์ด์šฉ๊ทœ์น™์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
02:45
We do; they're the codified rules that I've come up with,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“  ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋ช…๋ฌธํ™”ํ•ด ๋‘”๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๊ธดํ•œ๋ฐ์š”
02:48
which are more-or-less ignored by the community.
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์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ฌด์‹œ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
02:51
And so they've come up with their own set of rules,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด์šฉ์ž๋“ค์€ ์ž๊ธฐ๋“ค๋งŒ์˜ ์ด์šฉ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋‚ด๋†“์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:53
the "Rules of the Internet."
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๋ฐ”๋กœ "์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท ๊ทœ์น™(Rules of the Internet)"์ด๋ž€ ๊ฑด๋ฐ์š”.
02:55
And so there are three that I want to show you specifically.
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๊ทธ์ค‘์—์„œ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:58
Rule one is you don't talk about /b/.
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๊ทœ์น™ 1: /b/์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ฒƒ.
03:01
Two is you do not talk about /b/.
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๊ทœ์น™ 2: /b/์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ ˆ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ฒƒ.
03:04
And this one's kind of interesting:
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์žฌ๋ฐŒ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”:
03:06
"If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions."
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"์‚ด์•„์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค๋งŒ์˜ ํฌ๋ฅด๋…ธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ์™ธ๋Š” ์—†๋‹ค."
03:09
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
03:11
And I will spare you that slide.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๋“œ๋กœ ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
03:13
I assure you, it is very true.
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žฅ๋‹ดํ•˜์ฃ .
03:16
/b/ is the first board we started with,
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/b/๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
03:19
and it is, in many ways,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด์—์„œ
03:21
the beating heart of the website.
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์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์˜ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
It is where a third of all the traffic is going.
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์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ ‘์†์˜ 1/3์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•  ์ •๋„์ฃ .
03:26
And /b/ is known for,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌด์—‡๋ณด๋‹ค๋„,
03:28
more than anything,
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/b/ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์€
03:30
not just the memes they've created, but the exploits.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ฐฝ์กฐํ•œ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท๋ฌธํ™” ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์žฅ๋‚œ๋ผ๋กœ๋„ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:33
And Chris just touched on one of those a second ago,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์”จ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ „์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”
03:36
and that was the Time 100 poll.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ '์˜ฌํ•ด์˜ ์ธ๋ฌผ 100์ธ(Time 100)' ํˆฌํ‘œ์—์„œ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์ผ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:39
So somebody at Time, at the magazine,
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ํƒ€์ž„์ง€์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
03:41
thought it would be fun to nominate me
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์ž‘๋…„์— ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ด์šฉ์ž๋“ค์ด ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ผ๋“ค ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
03:43
for this thing they did last year.
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์ €๋ฅผ ํ›„๋ณด์ž๋กœ ์ง€๋ช…ํ•˜๋ฉด ์žฌ๋ฐŒ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
And so they placed me on it,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ €๋ฅผ ํ›„๋ณด์ž ๋ช…๋‹จ์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค ๋†“์•˜๊ณ 
03:48
and the Internet got wind of it. My community
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์œผ๋กœ ์ด ์†Œ์‹์ด ์•Œ๋ ค์กŒ์ฃ . ์ œ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ด์šฉ์ž๋“ค์€
03:51
decided they wanted me to win it.
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์ €๋ฅผ 1์œ„ ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์•‰ํžˆ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
I didn't instruct them to do it; they just decided that that's what they wanted.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์‹œํ‚จ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”. ๋‹จ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
03:57
And so, you know, 390 percent approval rating ain't so bad.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„, 390% ์ฐฌ์„ฑ์œจ์€ ๋‚˜์˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:00
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:02
So they broke that poll.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํˆฌํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋น„์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:05
And I ended up on top.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ €๋Š” ์ •์ƒ์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
04:07
I ended up at this really fancy party.
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๋ฉ‹๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์ง„ ํƒ€์ž„ 100์ธ ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์— ์ฐธ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
But that's not what's interesting about this.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์žฌ๋ฐŒ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ์ด๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ตฌ์š”.
04:13
It's that they weren't putting me at the top of this list;
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ €๋งŒ 1์œ„์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“์€ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
they were actually --
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค,
04:18
it got so sophisticated to the point where they gamed
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์ƒ์œ„ 21์œ„๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๊ต๋„˜์น˜๋Š”
04:20
all of the top 21 places
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๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ๋ฒŒ์˜€๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:23
to spell "mARBLECAKE. ALSO, THE GAME."
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๊ฐ ์ˆœ์œ„๋ช…๋‹จ์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฟ๊ธ€์ž๋กœ "mARBLECAKE. ALSO, THE GAME." ๋ฌธ์žฅ์˜ ์ฒ ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งž์ท„๋˜๊ฑฐ์ฃ ..
04:26
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:29
The amount of time and effort that went into that
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋“ค์ธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์€
04:32
is absolutely incredible.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:34
And "marble cake" is significant because
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  "marble cake"์€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
04:36
it is the channel that this group called Anonymous organized.
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์ด๋“ค '์–ด๋‚˜๋‹ˆ๋จธ์Šค(Anonymous,์ต๋ช…)'๋ผ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฃน์ด ๋งŒ๋“  ๋Œ€ํ™”์ฑ„๋„์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:39
Anonymous is this group of people
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์–ด๋‚˜๋‹ˆ๋จธ์Šค ๋‹จ์ฒด๋Š”
04:42
that protested, very famously,
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์‚ฌ์ด์–ธํ†จ๋กœ์ง€ ๊ตํŒŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ €ํ•ญ์šด๋™์„ ํŽผ์นœ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ๋„
04:45
Scientology.
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์œ ๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:47
The story is,
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ƒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ง์ด์ฃ ,
04:49
Scientology had this embarrassing video of Tom Cruise. It went up online.
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ํƒํฌ๋ฃจ์ฆˆ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์ด์–ธํ†จ๋กœ์ง€ ์„ ๊ต ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ฐ์€๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ด๊ฒŒ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ถœ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:52
They got it taken offline and managed to piss off part of the Internet.
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์‚ฌ์ด์–ธํ†จ๋กœ์ง€ ๊ตํšŒ๋Š” ์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‚ญ์ œํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋„คํ‹ฐ์ฆŒ์˜ ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‹๊ตฌ์—ˆ์ฃ .
04:55
And so these people, over 7,000 people,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฑ„ ํ•œ๋‹ฌ๋„ ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„๋™์•ˆ
04:58
less than one month later,
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๋Œ€๋žต 7,000๋ช… ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
05:00
organized in a hundred cities around the globe and --
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„ ๋ฐฑ์—ฌ๊ฐœ์˜ ๋„์‹œ์—์„œ ์ €ํ•ญ์šด๋™์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
this is L.A. --
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์€ LA์ธ๋ฐ์š”. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ๋„
05:04
protested the Church of Scientology,
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์‚ฌ์ด์–ธํ†จ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๊ตํšŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€์‹œ์œ„๊ฐ€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๊ณ 
05:07
and they have continued to do so,
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์•„์ง๋„ ์‹œ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:09
now, two full years after the fact.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด ์ดํ›„, 2๋…„์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€๋„ ๊ณ„์†์ด์š”.
05:11
They are still protesting.
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[์šด์ „์ค‘์ธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฝ์ ์„ ์šธ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”]
05:13
(Laughter)
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[๊ฑฑ์ •๋งˆ. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์—์„œ ์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ]
05:20
So we've got this activist group that's this grassroots group
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ™œ๋™์ ์ธ ํ’€๋ฟŒ๋ฆฌ ๋‹จ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง„๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
05:23
that's come out of the site.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํฌ์ฐฌ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:25
And last, I'm going to show you the example,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋ฅผ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ์š”.
05:27
the story of Dusty the cat.
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๋”์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ณ ์–‘์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:29
Dusty is the name that we've given to this cat.
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๋”์Šคํ‹ฐ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ™์—ฌ์ค€ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด๊ตฌ์š”.
05:32
This young man
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ํ•œ ์ฒญ๋…„์ด ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ์—
05:34
posted a video
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๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์˜ฌ๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
05:36
of him abusing his cat on YouTube.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ž๊ธฐ ๊ณ ์–‘์ด๋ฅผ ํ•™๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:39
And, you know, this didn't sit well with people,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ, ์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋‚œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:42
and so there was this outpouring of support
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์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ข€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ
05:46
for people to do something about this.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ง€์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ์›€์ง์ž„์ด ํ„ฐ์ ธ๋‚˜์™”๊ตฌ์š”.
05:50
So what they did is they -- I mean, they put CSI to shame here --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ CSI์ˆ˜์‚ฌ๋Œ€๋„ ์šธ๊ณ  ๊ฐˆ๋งŒํ•œ
05:53
the Internet detectives came out.
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท ์ˆ˜์‚ฌ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์กฐ์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:55
They matched, they found his MySpace.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์„œ๋“ค์„ ๋งž์ถ”์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ์˜ ๋งˆ์ด์ŠคํŽ˜์ด์Šค ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ƒˆ์ฃ .
05:58
They took the YouTube video and they mashed everything in the video.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ ๋™์˜์ƒ ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ถ„์„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:01
Within 24 hours,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ 24์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋งŒ์—,
06:03
they had his name,
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๊ทธ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์•Œ์•„๋ƒˆ๊ณ ,
06:05
and within 48 hours, he was arrested.
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48์‹œ๊ฐ„๋งŒ์—, ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ฒดํฌ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:09
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
06:16
And so, what I think is really intriguing
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์ €๋Š” ํฌ์ฐฌ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ๊ฐ€
06:18
about a community like 4chan
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ๋‹๊ตฌ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
06:20
is just that it's this open place.
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์—ด๋ฆฐ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ํŠน์„ฑ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:22
As I said, it's raw, it's unfiltered.
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์•„๊นŒ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๋…ธ๊ณจ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ณผ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ฃ .
06:24
And sites like it are kind of
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ํฌ์ฐฌ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š”
06:26
going the way of the dinosaur right now.
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์ด์ œ ํ†ต์ œํ•˜๊ธฐ ํž˜๋“ค ์ •๋„๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:28
They're endangered because we're moving
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌํšŒ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌํ™” ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ
06:30
towards social networking.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํƒœ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:32
We're moving towards persistent identity.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋™์ผํ™”์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ตฌ์š”.
06:34
We're moving towards,
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์ƒํ™œ์„ ์•—์•„๊ฐ€๋ ค
06:37
you know, a lack of privacy, really.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:39
We're sacrificing a lot of that, and I think in doing so,
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์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ง€ํ–ฅํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ƒํ™œ์„ ๋ฒ„๋ ค์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
06:42
moving towards those things, we're losing something valuable.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์น˜์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์žƒ์–ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:45
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:47
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
06:55
Chris Anderson: Thank you.
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Chris Anderson : ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:57
Got a couple questions for you.
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๋ช‡๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
06:59
But if I ask them, is the TED website going to go down?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด, TED ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋น„์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
07:02
CP: You're lucky that this is not
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CP: ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ด ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด ์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ
07:04
being streamed to them live right now.
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์ค‘๊ณ„๋˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๋Š”๊ฒŒ ๋‹คํ–‰์ด๋„ค์š”.
07:06
CA: Well, you never know. Some of them --
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CA: ๊ธ€์Œ”์š”, ํ˜น์‹œ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋ช‡๋ช‡์€ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ --
07:08
we've got people in 75 countries out there watching.
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75๊ฐœ๊ตญ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
07:11
Don't tell.
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์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
07:14
But seriously,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ,
07:16
this issue on anonymity is --
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์ต๋ช…์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” --
07:18
I mean, you made the case there.
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
07:20
But anonymity basically allows people to say anything,
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์ต๋ช…์„ฑ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋ฌด ๋ง์ด๋‚˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์ž–์•„์š”.
07:23
all the rules gone.
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์•„๋ฌด ๊ทœ์น™๋„ ์—†์œผ๋‹ˆ,
07:25
You've had to wrestle with issues like child pornography.
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์•„๋™ ํฌ๋ฅด๋…ธ๊ทธ๋ผํ”ผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค๊ณผ ์‹ธ์›Œ์•ผ ํ• ํ…๋ฐ์š”.
07:27
And I'm just curious whether you
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•œ๋ฐค ์ค‘์— ๊นจ์–ด์„œ
07:30
sometimes lie awake in the night
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ํŒ๋„๋ผ ์ƒ์ž๋ฅผ ์—ฐ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
07:32
worrying that you've opened Pandora's box.
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๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑด ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•˜๋„ค์š”.
07:36
CP: Yes and no.
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CP: ๊ทธ๋Ÿด์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์•„๋‹์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
07:38
I mean, for as much good
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ต๋ช…์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€
07:40
that kind of comes out of this environment,
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์ข‹์€ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŒํผ
07:42
there is plenty of bad.
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๋‚˜์œ ์ ๋„ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
There are plenty of downsides.
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๋ถˆ๋ฆฌํ•œ ๋ฉด๋„ ๋งŽ์ฃ .
07:46
But I think that the greater good
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์€
07:49
is being served here by just allowing people --
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋‚ด๋ฒ„๋ ค ๋‘”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:51
there are very few places, now, where you can go
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์–ด๋”” ๊ฐ€์„œ, ์‹ ๋ถ„์„ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
07:54
and not have identity, to be completely anonymous
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์™„๋ฒฝํžˆ ์ต๋ช…์˜ ์ƒํƒœ๋กœ, ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋ง์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ๊ฐ€
07:56
and say whatever you'd like.
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๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์ž–์•„์š”.
07:58
And saying whatever you like, I think, is powerful.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:01
Doing whatever you like is now crossing a line.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋Œ€๋กœ ํ–‰๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋„๋ฅผ ๋„˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
08:03
But I think it's important to have these places.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ ์›น์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:06
When I get emails, people say, "Thank you for giving me this place,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด "์ผ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ณ  ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋‚˜์ž์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
08:09
this outlet, where I can come after work
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์žฅ์†Œ, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํƒˆ์ถœ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด์ฃผ์…” ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
08:11
and be myself."
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
08:13
CA: But words, saying things,
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CA; ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง๋“ค์€,
08:17
you know, can be constructive; it can be really damaging.
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ƒ์‚ฐ์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”.
08:20
And if you cut the link between what is said
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋ง๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ฑ‰์€ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ทธ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ์ฑ…์ž„ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜
08:23
and any attribution back to you,
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์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋Š์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:25
I mean, surely there are huge risks with that.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ, ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์œ„ํ—˜์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆํ…๋ฐ์š”.
08:28
CP: There are, certainly.
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CP: ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:30
But --
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ --
08:32
CA: Tell me about what -- I mean, I think you asked the board
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CA: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ด ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณด์ฃ . ํ…Œ๋“œ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ• ์ง€
08:35
what you might say at TED, right?
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๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์— ๋ฌผ์–ด ๋ดค์„ ๊ฑฐ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”.
08:37
CP: Yeah, I posted a thread
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CP: ๋„ค, ์ผ์š”์ผ์— ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ธ€์„ ์˜ฌ๋ ธ์ฃ .
08:39
on Sunday.
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CP: ๋„ค, ์ผ์š”์ผ์— ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ธ€์„ ์˜ฌ๋ ธ์ฃ .
08:41
And within 24 hours,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  24์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ,
08:43
it had over 12,000 responses.
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1๋งŒ2์ฒœ๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ๋„˜๋Š” ๋‹ต๊ธ€์„ ๋ฐ›๊ธด ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
08:45
And the thing is,
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๊ทธ ์˜๊ฒฌ๋“ค์€,
08:48
I didn't make it into that presentation
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์ด ๊ฐ•์—ฐ ๋ฐœํ‘œ์— ํฌํ•จ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:50
because I can't read to you anything that they said, more or less.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ทธ ์–ด๋–ค ์ œ์•ˆ๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ํ•œํ…Œ ์ฝ์–ด ๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
08:52
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
08:54
99 percent of it is just,
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์ œ์•ˆ์˜ 99%๋Š”,
08:57
would have been, you know, bleeped out.
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ž…์— ๋‹ด์ง€๋„ ๋ชปํ•  ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:59
But there were some good things that came out of that too.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์ข‹์€ ์˜๊ฒฌ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:01
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
09:03
Love and peace were mentioned.
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์‚ฌ๋ž‘์ด๋‚˜ ํ‰ํ™” ์–˜๊ธฐ๋„ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:05
CA: Love and peace were mentioned,
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CA: ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์ด๋‚˜ ํ‰ํ™”๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹จ์–ด์—๋Š”
09:07
kind of with quote marks around them, right?
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์ธ์šฉ๋ถ€ํ˜ธ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ™์—ˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ . ๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
09:09
CP: Cats and dogs were mentioned too.
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CP: ๊ณ ์–‘์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ•์•„์ง€ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:11
CA: And that content is all off the board now.
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CA: ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ทธ ๊ธ€๋“ค์€ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํŒ์—์„œ ์—†์–ด์กŒ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
09:14
Right, it's gone? Or is it still up there?
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์—†์–ด์ง„๊ฑฐ ๋งž๋‚˜์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์•„์ง๋„ ๋‚จ์•„์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
09:16
CP: I stuck that thread so it lasted a few days.
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CP: ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ธ€ํƒ€๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๋ช‡์ผ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‚จ๊ฒจ๋‘์—ˆ๊ตฌ์š”.
09:18
It went up to about 16,000 posts,
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๋‹ต๊ธ€์ด ์•ฝ 16,000๊ฐœ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ถ™์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
09:20
and now it has been taken off.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์—†์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:23
CA: Okay, well.
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CA: ์ข‹์•„์š”, ์Œ.
09:27
Now, I'm not sure I would have necessarily recommended
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ํ…Œ๋“œ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ณด๋ผ๊ณ 
09:29
everyone at TED to go and check it out anyway.
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ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
09:33
Chris, you yourself? I mean, you're a figure of some intrigue.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ๋‹น์‹ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ.. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:36
You've got this surprising
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์ด ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”
09:38
semi-underground influence,
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์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ๋„ ์žˆ๊ตฌ์š”.
09:41
but it's not making you a lot of money, yet.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์ง๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋•์— ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ž–์•„์š”.
09:45
What's the commercial picture here?
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์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ๊ณ„ํš์€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
09:48
CP: The commercial picture is that there really isn't
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CP: ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ๊ณ„ํš์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:50
much of one, I guess.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
09:52
The site has adult content on it.
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—๋Š” ์„ฑ์ธ๋Œ€์ƒ์˜ ๊ฒŒ์‹œ๋ฌผ๋„ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
09:55
I mean, obviously, it's got some very offensive, obscene content on it,
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด, ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์Œ๋ž€ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:57
just in terms of language alone.
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๋‹จ์ง€ ์–ธ์–ด์ ์ธ ๋ฉด์—์„œ๋งŒ ๋ณด๋”๋ผ๋„์š”.
09:59
And when you've got that, you've pretty much sacrificed
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ธ€๋“ค์„ ๋”ฑ ๋ดค์„ ๋•Œ, ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ํฌ๋ง ๊ฐ™์€๊ฑด
10:02
any hope of making lots of money.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ ธ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ฃ .
10:05
CA: But you still live at home, right?
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CA: ์•„์ง ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ์‚ด์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
10:08
CP: I actually moved out recently.
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CP: ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋…๋ฆฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:10
CA: That's very cool.
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CA: ์ž˜๋๋„ค์š”.
10:12
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
10:14
CP: I got out of Mom's, and I'm back in school right now.
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CP: ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋…๋ฆฝํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋ณตํ•™ํ•œ ์ƒํƒœ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:17
CA: But what conversations did you or do you
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CA: ํฌ์ฐฌ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
10:19
have with your mother about 4chan?
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์–ด๋จธ๋‹˜๊ณผ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋‚˜์š”?
10:22
CP: At first, very kind of pained,
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CP: ์šฐ์„ ์€, ์งœ์ฆ๋‚  ์ •๋„๋กœ
10:24
awkward conversations.
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์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋“ค์ธ๋ฐ์š”.
10:26
The content is not dinner table conversation in the least.
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์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ธ€๋“ค์€ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ €๋… ์‹์‚ฌํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์–˜๊ธฐํ• ๋งŒํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ .
10:30
But my parents -- I think part of why
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๋‹ค๋งŒ, ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€ ์•„์ง ํฌ์ฐฌ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ
10:33
they kind of are able to appreciate it
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์ž˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ,
10:36
is because they don't understand it.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฐํƒ„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ •๋„์ธ ๊ฑฐ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
10:38
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
10:41
CA: And they were probably pleased to see you
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CA: ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋งˆ ์˜ฌํ•ด๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ํƒ€์ž„์ง€ ํˆฌํ‘œ์—์„œ
10:44
on top of the Time poll.
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1์œ„์— ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•  ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
10:46
CP: Yeah. They still didn't know what to think of that though.
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CP: ๋„ค. ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๊ฟ๊ฟ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
10:49
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
10:51
CA: And so, in 10 years' time,
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CA: ํ–ฅํ›„ 10๋…„,
10:53
what do you picture yourself doing?
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:56
CP: That's a good question.
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CP: ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”.
10:58
As I said, I just went back to school,
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๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด, ์–ผ๋งˆ์ „ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ณตํ•™ํ–ˆ๊ตฌ์š”.
11:00
and I am considering
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์‚ฌํšŒํ•™์„ ์ „๊ณตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:02
majoring in urban studies
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์‚ฌํšŒํ•™์„ ์ „๊ณตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:04
and then going on to urban planning,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋‚˜์„œ ๋„์‹œ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๊ตฌ์š”.
11:06
kind of taking whatever I've learned from online communities
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„
11:09
and trying to adapt that
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์‹ค์ œ ์‚ฌํšŒ๊ณต๋™์ฒด์— ์ ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๋„๋ฅผ
11:11
to a physical community.
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ํ•ด๋ณด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:14
CA: Chris, thank you. Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for coming to TED.
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CA: ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”. ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ฆฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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