Susan Savage-Rumbaugh: The gentle genius of bonobos

343,860 views ・ 2007-05-17

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譯者: Ching-Yi Wu 審譯者: Joan Liu
00:25
I work with a species called "Bonobo."
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我研究矮黑猩猩
00:28
And I'm happy most of the time,
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工作時,我多半是快樂的
00:30
because I think this is the happiest species on the planet.
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因為我覺得牠們是地球上最快樂的物種
00:33
It's kind of a well-kept secret.
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這點還不太為人所知
00:36
This species lives only in the Congo.
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矮黑猩猩只棲息在剛果
00:38
And they're not in too many zoos, because of their sexual behavior.
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由於交配習性的關係,牠們很少出現在動物園
00:44
Their sexual behavior is too human-like
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牠們的交配習性太像人了
00:46
for most of us to be comfortable with.
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也就是我們習慣的那樣
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
00:49
But --
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但是......
00:50
(Laughter)
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(笑)
00:51
actually, we have a lot to learn from them, because they're a very
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事實上,我們得向牠們學習的很多
00:56
egalitarian society and they're a very empathetic society.
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牠們有著非常公平且富同理心的社會
01:00
And sexual behavior is not confined to one aspect of their life
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交配行為並不因只是生活的一部分
01:04
that they sort of set aside.
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而被忽略
01:07
It permeates their entire life.
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反之,這是牠們生活的全部
01:09
And it's used for communication.
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可以用來溝通
01:12
And it's used for conflict resolution.
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可以用來化解衝突
01:14
And I think perhaps somewhere in our history we sort of,
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我想,或許是在人類歷史的某個時間點
01:18
divided our lives up into lots of parts.
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開始把生活分成好幾個部分
01:21
We divided our world up with lots of categories.
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把世界切割成不同地域
01:25
And so everything sort of has a place that it has to fit.
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每件事都得被歸檔在正確的位置
01:28
But I don't think that we were that way initially.
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但我不認為我們的祖宗是這樣的
01:32
There are many people who think that the animal world is hard-wired
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很多人認為,動物凡事但憑反射直覺
01:36
and that there's something very, very special about man.
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人類是非常非常特別的物種
01:40
Maybe it's his ability to have causal thought.
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或許是思考的能力
01:44
Maybe it's something special in his brain
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或許是大腦有什麼特出之處
01:47
that allows him to have language.
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讓人類發展出語言
01:49
Maybe it's something special in his brain
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或許是大腦的特殊之處
01:52
that allows him to make tools or to have mathematics.
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讓人類能夠使用工具跟計算
01:57
Well, I don't know. There were Tasmanians who were discovered
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是嗎?我不知道。十六世紀的時候
02:03
around the 1600s and they had no fire.
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探險家發現了塔斯馬尼亞人。他們不用火
02:07
They had no stone tools.
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也沒有石器
02:10
To our knowledge they had no music.
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就我所知,他們也沒有音樂
02:14
So when you compare them to the Bonobo,
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將矮黑猩猩跟塔斯馬尼亞人一起比較
02:19
the Bonobo is a little hairier.
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除了矮黑猩猩毛多了些
02:21
He doesn't stand quite as upright.
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跟不太能直立站著外
02:26
But there are a lot of similarities.
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兩者有許多相似性
02:29
And I think that as we look at culture,
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我認為,研究文化
02:33
we kind of come to understand
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能夠幫助我們了解
02:36
how we got to where we are.
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我們是如何成為人
02:38
And I don't really think it's in our biology;
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我不認為是我們的生物性讓我們變成人
02:41
I think we've attributed it to our biology,
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是「成為人」這件事影響了我們的生物性
02:43
but I don't really think it's there.
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生物性跟「成為人」無關
02:46
So what I want to do now is introduce you
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所以,我想跟各位分享的是
02:48
to a species called the Bonobo.
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矮黑猩猩這種生物
02:52
This is Kanzi.
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這是Kanzi
02:54
He's a Bonobo.
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一隻矮黑猩猩
02:56
Right now, he's in a forest in Georgia.
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目前,牠住在喬治亞州的森林
02:59
His mother originally came from a forest in Africa.
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牠的媽媽來自非洲的森林
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And she came to us when she was just at puberty,
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我們見到牠時,牠才剛進入青春期
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about six or seven years of age.
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大概六七歲吧
03:10
Now this shows a Bonobo on your right,
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畫面上的右邊是一隻矮黑猩猩
03:12
and a chimpanzee on your left.
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左邊是黑猩猩
03:14
Clearly, the chimpanzee has a little bit harder time of walking.
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顯然的,黑猩猩比較不擅長行走
03:18
The Bonobo, although shorter than us and their arms still longer,
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雖然矮黑猩猩比我們矮,手臂較長
03:22
is more upright, just as we are.
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但比黑猩猩更能直立,像我們一樣行走
03:26
This shows the Bonobo compared to an australopithecine like Lucy.
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再比較矮黑猩猩跟與露西一類的南猿
03:31
As you can see, there's not a lot of difference
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矮黑猩猩的行走模式
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between the way a Bonobo walks
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跟南猿可能的行走方式
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and the way an early australopithecine would have walked.
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並沒有太大不同
03:40
As they turn toward us you'll see
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觀察牠們的正面觀,可以注意到
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that the pelvic area of early australopithecines is a little flatter
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早期南猿的骨盆腔較平
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and doesn't have to rotate quite so much from side to side.
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在兩腳交互移動時沒有太多的旋轉
03:51
So the -- the bipedal gait is a little easier.
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因此,使用兩腳行走較容易
03:53
And now we see all four.
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這是上述四個物種的比較
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Video: Narrator: The wild Bonobo lives in central Africa, in the jungle
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影片中是棲息在中非的矮黑猩猩
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encircled by the Congo River.
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牠們住在由剛果河包圍的叢林裡
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Canopied trees as tall as 40 meters, 130 feet,
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這地區的林冠茂密
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grow densely in the area.
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有40公尺高,也就是130英呎
04:13
It was a Japanese scientist
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有個日本科學家®
04:16
who first undertook serious field studies of the Bonobo,
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開始了矮黑猩猩的田野調查
04:20
almost three decades ago.
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大概是三十年前
04:26
Bonobos are built slightly smaller than the chimpanzee.
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矮黑猩猩比黑猩猩個頭略小
04:30
Slim-bodied, Bonobos are by nature very gentle creatures.
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身材也瘦,天生是非常溫馴的動物
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Long and careful studies have reported many new findings on them.
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幾個長期追蹤的嚴謹研究,顯示一些新發現:
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One discovery was that wild Bonobos often walk bidpedally.
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首先:野生的矮黑猩猩常常利用雙腳行走
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What's more, they are able to walk upright for long distances.
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而且牠們還能直立地長途行走
05:07
Susan Savage-Rumbaugh (video): Let's go say hello to Austin first and then go to the A frame.
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先去跟Austin打聲招呼,然後再去A區。
05:11
SS: This is Kanzi and I, in the forest.
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SS: Kanzi跟我在森林裡
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None of the things you will see in this particular video are trained.
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影片裡所發生的是,沒有一個是經過訓練的結果
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None of them are tricks.
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也沒有一個是偽造的
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They all happened to be captured on film spontaneously,
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影片裡的一切都是自發行為
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by NHK of Japan.
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這是由日本NHK所拍攝的
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We have eight Bonobos.
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我們有八隻矮黑猩猩
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Video: Look at all this stuff that's here for our campfire.
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影片:請看營火旁有什麼
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SS: An entire family at our research centre.
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SS: 我們的研究中心有一整個黑猩猩家庭
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Video: You going to help get some sticks?
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影片:想幫忙撿柴火嗎?
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Good.
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很好
05:47
We need more sticks, too.
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我們也需要些柴火
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I have a lighter in my pocket if you need one.
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如果你想要,我口袋裡有打火機
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That's a wasps' nest.
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那是個黃蜂巢
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You can get it out.
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你們可以拿出來
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I hope I have a lighter.
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希望我有打火機
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You can use the lighter to start the fire.
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這樣你就可以生火了
06:12
SS: So Kanzi is very interested in fire.
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SS: 原來Kanzi對火有興趣
06:14
He doesn't do it yet without a lighter,
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沒有打火機,牠就不會生火
06:17
but I think if he saw someone do it, he might be able to do --
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不過,如果牠看別人做一次,牠也許就能
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make a fire without a lighter.
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不靠打火機生火
06:25
He's learning about how to keep a fire going.
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牠正在學怎麼讓火繼續燒
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He's learning the uses for a fire,
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牠正在學著用火
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just by watching what we do with fire.
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但只敢看著我們用
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
06:43
This is a smile on the face of a Bonobo.
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矮黑猩猩的臉上有著微笑
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These are happy vocalizations.
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這是開心的表示
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Video: You're happy.
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影片:你很開心啊
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You're very happy about this part.
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你很喜歡這個部分吧
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You've got to put some water on the fire. You see the water?
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你得把水潑在火上。看到水了沒?
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Good job.
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很好
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SS: Forgot to zip up the back half of his backpack.
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SS: 牠忘了要拉上背包的拉鍊
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But he likes to carry things from place to place.
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但牠很喜歡把東西帶來帶去
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Video: Austin, I hear you saying "Austin."
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影片:Austin, 我聽到你說Austin
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SS: He talks to other Bonobos at the lab, long-distance,
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SS: 牠可以跟位在遠處,聽不見這裡動靜的
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farther than we can hear.
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實驗室裡的矮黑猩猩溝通
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This is his sister.
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這是Kanzi的姐姐
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This is her first time to try to drive a golf cart.
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牠第一次試著開高爾夫球車
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Video: Goodbye.
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影片:拜拜!
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:29
SS: She's got the pedals down, but not the wheel.
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SS: 牠踩下踏板,但沒有打方向盤
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She switches from reverse to forward
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讓車子從後退變成前進
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and she holds onto the wheel, rather than turns it.
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現在牠抓住方向盤,卻沒有轉動
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:45
Like us, she knows that that individual in the mirror is her.
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跟人類一樣,牠知道鏡子裡的影像是自己
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(Music)
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(音樂)
07:54
Video: Narrator: By raising Bonobos in a culture that is both Bonobo and human,
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影片:讓矮黑猩猩在融合了矮黑猩猩跟人類文化的環境中長大
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and documenting their development across two decades,
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並記錄牠們的成長長達二十多年
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scientists are exploring how cultural forces
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科學家得以了解文化力
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
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may have operated during human evolution.
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是如何影響人類演化的
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His name is Nyota.
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這是Nyota
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It means "star" in Swahili.
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在斯瓦希里語裡是星星的意思
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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Panbanisha is trying to give Nyota a haircut with a pair of scissors.
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Panbanisha正試著用一對剪刀幫Nyota剪頭髮
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In the wild, the parent Bonobo is known to groom its offspring.
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已知野生矮黑猩猩的家長會幫小孩理毛
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Here Panbanisha uses scissors, instead of her hands,
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現在Panbanisha正用剪刀而不是用手
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to groom Nyota.
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幫Nyota理毛
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Very impressive.
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很令人印象深刻吧
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Subtle maneuvering of the hands is required
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需要很精巧的手部運動
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to perform delicate tasks like this.
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才能進行這樣的工作喔
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Nyota tries to imitate Panbanisha by using the scissors himself.
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Nyota也學Panbanisha使用剪刀
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Realizing that Nyota might get hurt,
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Panbanish知道Nyota可能會受傷
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Panbanisha, like any human mother,
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跟所有的人類媽媽一樣
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carefully tugs to get the scissors back.
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牠小心地把剪刀拿回來
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He can now cut through tough animal hide.
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牠現在能用剪刀剪具韌性的動物皮毛
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SS: Kanzi's learned to make stone tools.
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SS: Kanzi正在學怎麼製作石器
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Video: Kanzi now makes his tools,
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影片:Kanzi正在做自己的工具
09:44
just as our ancestors may have made them,
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就跟我們的祖先一樣
09:46
two-and-a-half million years ago --
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兩百五十萬年前
09:48
by holding the rocks in both hands, to strike one against the other.
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人類祖先靠著兩手拿著石頭互相撞擊
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He has learned that by using both hands
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學會如何使用雙手
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and aiming his glancing blows,
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學會一拳中的
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he can make much larger, sharper flakes.
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他能製作更大更尖銳的石片
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Kanzi chooses a flake he thinks is sharp enough.
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Kanzi挑了一片他認為夠尖的石片
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The tough hide is difficult to cut, even with a knife.
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即使使用刀子,皮毛也很難切斷
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The rock that Kanzi is using is extremely hard
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Kanzi用的石頭非常硬
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and ideal for stone tool making, but difficult to handle,
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很適合拿來做成工具,卻很難使用
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requiring great skill.
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需要很多的技巧
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Kanzi's rock is from Gona, Ethiopia
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Kanzi的石頭來自衣索匹亞的Gona
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and is identical to that used by our African ancestors
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跟我們的非洲祖先在兩百五十萬年前
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two-and-a-half million years ago.
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使用的一模一樣
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These are the rocks Kanzi used
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這是Kanzi用的石頭
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and these are the flakes he made.
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而這些是它做的石片
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The flat sharp edges are like knife blades.
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尖銳的切緣就跟刀鋒一樣
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Compare them to the tools our ancestors used;
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跟我們祖先使用的石器比較
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they bear a striking resemblance to Kanzi's.
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兩者相似得不可思議
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Panbanisha is longing to go for a walk in the woods.
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Panbanisha想到樹林裡走走
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She keeps staring out the window.
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牠盯著窗戶看
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SS: This is -- let me show you something we didn't think they would do.
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SS: 這...讓我給你們看些不可思議的事
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Video: For several days now, Panbanisha has not been outside.
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影片:Panbanisha已經有好幾天沒出去了
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SS: I normally talk about language.
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SS: 我常常談論語言
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Video: Then Panbanisha does something unexpected.
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影片:Panbanish做了件出乎人意料的事
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SS: But since I'm advised not to do what I normally do,
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SS: 但有人建議我別一成不變
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I haven't told you that these apes have language.
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我沒告訴你們這些猩猩有語言吧!
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It's a geometric language.
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這是種地理語言
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Video: She takes a piece of chalk
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影片:牠拿了粉筆
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and begins writing something on the floor.
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在地板上寫些東西
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What is she writing?
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寫些什麼呢?
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SS: She's also saying the name of that, with her voice.
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SS: 牠也有自己的聲音,能說出名字
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Video: Now she comes up to Dr. Sue and starts writing again.
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影片:現在牠在SS身邊,又開始寫
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SS: These are her symbols on her keyboard.
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SS: 這在牠的鍵盤上代表牠的符號
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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They speak when she touches them.
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在牠按觸鍵時,會發出聲音
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Video: Panbanisha is communicating to Dr. Sue where she wants to go.
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影片:Panbanisha正在跟Sue說牠要去哪裡
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"A frame" represents a hut in the woods.
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A區中的森林裡有頂帽子
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Compare the chalk writing with the lexigram on the keyboard.
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比較Kanzi用粉筆畫的跟鍵盤上的符號
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Panbanisha began writing the lexigrams on the forest floor.
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Panbanisha在森林地面上畫符號
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SS (video): Very nice. Beautiful, Panbanisha.
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很好,真漂亮啊,Panbanisha
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SS: At first we didn't really realize what she was doing,
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SS: 一開始我們不知道牠在做什麼
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until we stood back and looked at it and rotated it.
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直到我們退一步,並換個方向看
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Video: This lexigram also refers to a place in the woods.
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影片:這個符號表示林子裡一個地方
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The curved line is very similar to the lexigram.
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這條曲線跟那個符號很接近
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The next symbol Panbanisha writes represents "collar."
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牠畫的下一個符號代表項圈
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It indicates the collar that Panbanisha must wear when she goes out.
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也就是牠每回出門都得戴的項圈
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SS: That's an institutional requirement.
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SS: 這是研究機構的要求
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Video: This symbol is not as clear as the others,
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影片:這個符號沒有其他的清楚
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but one can see Panbanisha is trying to produce a curved line
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可以看到Panbanish正試著畫一條曲線
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and several straight lines.
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跟數條直線
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Researchers began to record what Panbanisha said,
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研究人員開始記錄Panbanisha
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by writing lexigrams on the floor with chalk.
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藉著畫畫想告訴我們什麼
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Panbanisha watched.
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Panbanisha看了看
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Soon she began to write as well.
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很快地牠就能畫出來
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The Bonobo's abilities have stunned scientists around the world.
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矮黑猩猩的學習能力震驚了全世界的科學家
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How did they develop?
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這樣的能力是怎麼來的?
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SS (video): We found that the most important thing
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SS: 我們最重要的發現是
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for permitting Bonobos to acquire language is not to teach them.
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要讓矮黑猩猩學會語言,並不需要教牠
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It's simply to use language around them,
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只要利用周遭的語言
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because the driving force in language acquisition
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因為學習語言的動力
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is to understand what others, that are important to you, are saying to you.
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是為了瞭解對自己重要的人在說什麼
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Once you have that capacity,
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一旦你有了語言能力
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the ability to produce language
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創造語言
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comes rather naturally and rather freely.
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是非常自然而隨興的事
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So we want to create an environment in which Bonobos,
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因此,我們想創造一個
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like all of the individuals with whom they are interacting --
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讓每一隻矮黑猩猩都能互動的環境
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we want to create an environment in which they have fun,
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讓每隻猩猩可以玩遊戲
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and an environment in which the others
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跟每一隻猩猩對其他猩猩
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are meaningful individuals for them.
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都有意義的環境
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Narrator: This environment brings out unexpected potential
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而這個環境讓Kanzi跟Panbanisha發展出
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in Kanzi and Panbanisha.
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不在我們預期中的能力
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Panbanisha is enjoying playing her harmonica,
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Panbanisha很喜歡吹口琴
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until Nyota, now one year old, steals it.
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直到有一天,口琴被現在已經一歲Nyota的偷了
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Then he peers eagerly into his mother's mouth.
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牠直盯著媽媽的嘴巴看
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Is he looking for where the sound came from?
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牠在找聲音從哪來的嗎?
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Dr. Sue thinks it's important to allow such curiosity to flourish.
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SS認為,讓這樣的好奇心得以醞釀是重要的
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This time Panbanisha is playing the electric piano.
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這次,Panbanisha在彈電子琴
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She wasn't forced to learn the piano;
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牠不是被逼著彈
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she saw a researcher play the instrument and took an interest.
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牠看到研究人員彈琴,感到興趣
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Researcher: Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm listening.
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繼續啊!繼續啊!我在聽呢
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Do that real fast part that you did. Yeah, that part.
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再彈一次你剛剛彈很快的部分。對,就是那裡
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Narrator: Kanzi plays the xylophone;
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Kanzi熱切地用兩手演奏木琴
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using both hands he enthusiastically accompanies Dr. Sue's singing.
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幫SS伴奏
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Kanzi and Panbanisha
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Kanzi跟Panbanisha都受到
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are stimulated by this fun-filled environment,
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這樣有趣的環境刺激
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which promotes the emergence of these cultural capabilities.
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讓牠們表現出這些文明的行為
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
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Researcher: OK, now get the monsters. Get them.
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現在,把鬼吃掉
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Take the cherries too.
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吃櫻桃
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Now watch out, stay away from them now.
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小心!離鬼遠一點
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Now you can chase them again. Time to chase them.
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現在可以追了,去追吧
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Now you have to stay away. Get away.
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現在得逃遠一點,跑
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Run away. Run.
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跑啊!跑!
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Now we can chase them again. Go get them.
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現在可以追了,吃掉吧
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Oh no!
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喔!不!
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Good Kanzi. Very good. Thank you so much.
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好,Kanzi,很好,謝謝
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Narrator: None of us, Bonobo or human, can possibly even imagine?
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想不到吧?無論是人還是矮黑猩猩都想不到吧?
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SS: So we have a bi-species environment, we call it a "panhomoculture."
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SS: 這樣讓人類跟矮黑猩猩聚集在一起的環境,稱之為泛人類文化
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We're learning how to become like them.
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我們正學著怎樣更像猩猩一點
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We're learning how to communicate with them,
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我們正學著如何用高頻音
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in really high-pitched tones.
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跟牠們溝通
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We're learning that they probably have a language in the wild.
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我們漸漸明白野生猩猩可能也有自己的語言
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And they're learning to become like us.
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而猩猩們也學著變得更像我們人類
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Because we believe that it's not biology; it's culture.
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而我們相信,這不是因為生物性,而是文化
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So we're sharing tools and technology and language
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我們跟其他的物種,有著相同的工具、
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with another species.
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技術、跟語言
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Thank you.
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謝謝
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