Have we reached the end of physics? | Harry Cliff

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翻译人员: Joe Yhin 校对人员: Yolanda Zhang
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A hundred years ago this month, a 36-year-old Albert Einstein
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在一个世纪前的这个月, 36岁的阿尔伯特•爱因斯坦
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stood up in front of the Prussian Academy of Sciences in Berlin
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站在柏林的普鲁士科学院门口,
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to present a radical new theory of space, time and gravity:
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发布着一个有关空间, 时间和引力的激进的新理论:
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the general theory of relativity.
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广义相对论。
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General relativity is unquestionably Einstein's masterpiece,
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广义相对论毫无疑问 是爱因斯坦的杰作,
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a theory which reveals the workings of the universe at the grandest scales,
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它将宇宙在宏观空间下的运作规律
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capturing in one beautiful line of algebra
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描绘成了一个美丽的线性公式,
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everything from why apples fall from trees to the beginning of time and space.
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从苹果为什么会从树上掉落 直到时间和空间的起源。
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1915 must have been an exciting year to be a physicist.
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1915年一定是科学家们 最兴奋的一年。
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Two new ideas were turning the subject on its head.
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两个崭新的观点 完全改变了当时的物理界。
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One was Einstein's theory of relativity,
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一个是爱因斯坦的广义相对论,
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the other was arguably even more revolutionary:
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另一个可以说是更加革命性的:
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quantum mechanics,
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量子力学,
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a mind-meltingly strange yet stunningly successful new way
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它是一种极其难以理解 却又出奇地成功的
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of understanding the microworld, the world of atoms and particles.
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理解微观世界,也就是原子和 微观粒子的世界的新方法。
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Over the last century, these two ideas have utterly transformed
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在上一个世纪中, 这两种思想已经完全改变了
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our understanding of the universe.
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我们对宇宙的理解。
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It's thanks to relativity and quantum mechanics
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多亏了相对论和量子力学,
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that we've learned what the universe is made from,
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我们才能学到宇宙是由什么组成的,
它是如何开始并且持续演化的。
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how it began and how it continues to evolve.
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01:17
A hundred years on, we now find ourselves at another turning point in physics,
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经过了一百年,我们发现 我们现在正处在物理的另一个转折点,
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but what's at stake now is rather different.
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但是我们现在的处境却截然不同。
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The next few years may tell us whether we'll be able
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接下来的几年也许会 告诉我们是否能够
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to continue to increase our understanding of nature,
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继续加深我们对自然的理解,
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or whether maybe for the first time in the history of science,
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或者我们将在科学史上首次
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we could be facing questions that we cannot answer,
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面临我们无法回答的问题,
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not because we don't have the brains or technology,
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这并不是因为我们不够聪明 或者科技不够先进,
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but because the laws of physics themselves forbid it.
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而是因为物理学的定律 自己束缚了自己。
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This is the essential problem: the universe is far, far too interesting.
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这是一个非常重要的问题: 宇宙非常,非常有趣。
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Relativity and quantum mechanics appear to suggest
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相对论和量子力学都阐述了
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that the universe should be a boring place.
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宇宙应该是一个很无聊的地方。
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It should be dark, lethal and lifeless.
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它本应该是黑暗,致命和死气沉沉的。
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But when we look around us, we see we live in a universe full of interesting stuff,
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但是当我们往周围看去时, 会发现我们生活在一个充满有趣事物,
02:01
full of stars, planets, trees, squirrels.
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充满闪烁的恒星,行星, 植物和动物的宇宙中。
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The question is, ultimately,
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那么最终问题来了,
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why does all this interesting stuff exist?
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为什么这些有趣的事物存在着呢?
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Why is there something rather than nothing?
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为什么这里不是一片空旷呢?
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This contradiction is the most pressing problem in fundamental physics,
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这个矛盾是基础物理学 面临的最紧迫的问题,
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and in the next few years, we may find out whether we'll ever be able to solve it.
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而且在接下来的几年里,我们会知道 我们是否有能力去解决这个问题。
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At the heart of this problem are two numbers,
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在这个问题的核心处,有两个数字,
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two extremely dangerous numbers.
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两个极其危险的数字。
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These are properties of the universe that we can measure,
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这就是我们所测量的宇宙的两个性质,
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and they're extremely dangerous
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它们及其危险,
因为一旦它们有变化, 哪怕是一个细微的变化,
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because if they were different, even by a tiny bit,
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02:35
then the universe as we know it would not exist.
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我们所熟知的宇宙将会不复存在。
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The first of these numbers is associated with the discovery that was made
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第一个数字是关于人类自己的发现,
一个距这里几公里远的, 位于欧洲粒子物理研究所的机器,
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a few kilometers from this hall, at CERN, home of this machine,
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the largest scientific device ever built by the human race,
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人类建造的最大的科技设备,
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the Large Hadron Collider.
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大型强子对撞机。
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The LHC whizzes subatomic particles around a 27-kilometer ring,
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大型强子对撞机在周长27公里的环形场中 对亚原子粒子进行加速,
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getting them closer and closer to the speed of light
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将它们加速到接近光速,
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before smashing them into each other inside gigantic particle detectors.
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然后让粒子在巨大的 粒子探测器中进行相撞。
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On July 4, 2012, physicists at CERN announced to the world
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在2012年7月4日, 欧洲粒子物理研究所向世界宣布
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that they'd spotted a new fundamental particle
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他们发现一个新的基本粒子
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being created at the violent collisions at the LHC: the Higgs boson.
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在大型强子对撞机中被创造出来了: 希格斯波色子。
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Now, if you followed the news at the time,
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如果你看了那个时候的新闻后续,
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you'll have seen a lot of physicists getting very excited indeed,
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你会发现很多物理学家 感到了由衷的兴奋,
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and you'd be forgiven for thinking
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而且如果你像我们以往
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we get that way every time we discover a new particle.
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每次发现新粒子时那样兴奋, 是非常可以理解的。
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Well, that is kind of true,
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确实,从某种意义上说这是真实的,
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but the Higgs boson is particularly special.
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但是希格斯波色子非常与众不同。
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We all got so excited because finding the Higgs
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我们如此兴奋是因为找到了希格斯,
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proves the existence of a cosmic energy field.
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就证明了宇宙能量场是存在的。
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Now, you may have trouble imagining an energy field,
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现在,你可能很难想象一个能量场,
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but we've all experienced one.
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但是我们都在经历它。
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If you've ever held a magnet close to a piece of metal
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如果你曾经让一个磁体靠近一块金属,
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and felt a force pulling across that gap,
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并且感觉到一种把磁体推向金属的力,
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then you've felt the effect of a field.
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那么你就感受过场的影响。
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And the Higgs field is a little bit like a magnetic field,
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希格斯场有一点儿类似磁场,
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except it has a constant value everywhere.
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不过希格斯场在任何地方 都有同样的值。
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It's all around us right now.
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它现在就在我们周围。
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We can't see it or touch it,
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我们虽然不能看见或者触摸它,
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but if it wasn't there,
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但是如果它不在那儿,
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we would not exist.
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那我们也就不存在了。
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The Higgs field gives mass
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希格斯场将质量递给
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to the fundamental particles that we're made from.
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组成我们的基本粒子。
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If it wasn't there, those particles would have no mass,
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如果它不存在,这些粒子将不会有质量,
那么没有原子会被组成, 我们也就不可能存在了。
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and no atoms could form and there would be no us.
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But there is something deeply mysterious about the Higgs field.
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但是关于希格斯场 还存在一些很深的谜团。
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Relativity and quantum mechanics tell us that it has two natural settings,
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相对论和量子理论告诉我们 它有两个自然属性,
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a bit like a light switch.
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有点儿像电灯的开关。
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It should either be off,
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它可能是关,
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so that it has a zero value everywhere in space,
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那么在空间的任何地方的值都为零,
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or it should be on so it has an absolutely enormous value.
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或者是开,那么在空间的 任何地方的值都是巨大的。
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In both of these scenarios, atoms could not exist,
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在这两种场景下,原子都不可能存在,
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and therefore all the other interesting stuff
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其他在宇宙中围绕着我们的
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that we see around us in the universe would not exist.
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一切有趣的东西也将不复存在。
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In reality, the Higgs field is just slightly on,
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在现实中,希格斯场只是 处于一个细微的开启状态,
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not zero but 10,000 trillion times weaker than its fully on value,
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并不等于零,但是只有全开状态下的 1万万亿分之一,
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a bit like a light switch that's got stuck just before the off position.
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就像灯的开关在 即将关闭的位置被卡住了一样。
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And this value is crucial.
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这个值是至关重要的。
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If it were a tiny bit different,
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如果这个值有一点点的改变,
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then there would be no physical structure in the universe.
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那么宇宙将会失去一切的物理结构。
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So this is the first of our dangerous numbers,
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因此这是第一个至关重要的数字,
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the strength of the Higgs field.
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希格斯场的强度。
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Theorists have spent decades trying to understand
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理论家们花费了数十年去尝试理解
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why it has this very peculiarly fine-tuned number,
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为什么它有如此异常的数字,
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and they've come up with a number of possible explanations.
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并且他们提出了一些可能的解释。
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They have sexy-sounding names like "supersymmetry"
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包括有一些听起来 很性感的名字比如“超对称”,
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or "large extra dimensions."
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或者“巨大额外维度”。
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I'm not going to go into the details of these ideas now,
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我现在并不打算深入去探讨这些,
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but the key point is this:
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但是重点在于:
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if any of them explained this weirdly fine-tuned value of the Higgs field,
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如果它们其中有能够 解释希格斯场的诡异调整值,
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then we should see new particles being created at the LHC
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那么我们应该能够看到新的粒子 随着希格斯波色子
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along with the Higgs boson.
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一起被创造出来。
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So far, though, we've not seen any sign of them.
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然而迄今为止,我们并没有看到 任何有关它们存在的迹象。
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But there's actually an even worse example
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不过这儿甚至有更糟糕的
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of this kind of fine-tuning of a dangerous number,
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关于这个诡异调整值的例子,
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and this time it comes from the other end of the scale,
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而且这次它来自于 这个范围的另外一个边缘,
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from studying the universe at vast distances.
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来自于对于从广袤距离上 对宇宙的学习。
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One of the most important consequences of Einstein's general theory of relativity
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爱因斯坦的广义相对论带来的 最重要的结果之一,
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was the discovery that the universe began as a rapid expansion of space and time
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就是对于空间与时间从138亿年前
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13.8 billion years ago, the Big Bang.
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开始急速膨胀的发现, 也就是宇宙大爆炸。
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Now, according to early versions of the Big Bang theory,
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如今,根据宇宙大爆炸理论 最早的版本来看,
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the universe has been expanding ever since
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宇宙一直都在膨胀,
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with gravity gradually putting the brakes on that expansion.
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并且伴随着与之相对的引力。
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But in 1998, astronomers made the stunning discovery
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不过在1998年, 天文学家们得到了一个惊人的发现,
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that the expansion of the universe is actually speeding up.
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那就是宇宙的膨胀速度正在逐步上升。
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The universe is getting bigger and bigger faster and faster
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宇宙在一个神秘的排斥力, 被称为暗能量的作用下,
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driven by a mysterious repulsive force called dark energy.
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正在变得越来越大 而且膨胀地越来越快。
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Now, whenever you hear the word "dark" in physics,
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现在,当你在物理学上 听到“暗”这个词的时候,
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you should get very suspicious
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你应该表示怀疑,
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because it probably means we don't know what we're talking about.
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因为它可能表示 我们并不知道我们所谈论的东西。
(笑)
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(Laughter)
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我们并不知道暗能量是什么,
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We don't know what dark energy is,
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but the best idea is that it's the energy of empty space itself,
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不过最好的想法是暗能量就是 空旷的宇宙本身,
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the energy of the vacuum.
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真空能量。
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Now, if you use good old quantum mechanics to work out
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现在,如果你用老式的量子力学来解释
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how strong dark energy should be,
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暗能量有多强的时候,
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you get an absolutely astonishing result.
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你绝对会得到一个震惊的结果。
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You find that dark energy
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你会发现暗能量的强度
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should be 10 to the power of 120 times stronger
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比天文学观测到的值
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than the value we observe from astronomy.
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要强上10的120次方倍。
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That's one with 120 zeroes after it.
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这是一个1后面跟了120个0。
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This is a number so mind-bogglingly huge
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这个数字是如此的大,
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that it's impossible to get your head around.
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以至于已经超出了你的理解范围。
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We often use the word "astronomical" when we're talking about big numbers.
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当我们在讨论很大的数字时, 我们经常用“天文数字”这个词。
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Well, even that one won't do here.
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但即便是那个词, 也无法描述这个数字。
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This number is bigger than any number in astronomy.
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这个数字比天文学上的任何数字都要大。
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It's a thousand trillion trillion trillion times bigger
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它比整个宇宙所含有的原子数还要大
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than the number of atoms in the entire universe.
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1000万亿万亿万亿倍。
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So that's a pretty bad prediction.
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因此那是一个很差劲的预测。
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In fact, it's been called the worst prediction in physics,
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事实上,它被称为物理界上 最不准确的预测,
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and this is more than just a theoretical curiosity.
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并且这不仅仅是出于 一个理论上的好奇心。
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If dark energy were anywhere near this strong,
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如果暗能量真的有那么强,
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then the universe would have been torn apart,
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那么整个宇宙早就被扯开了,
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stars and galaxies could not form, and we would not be here.
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星星和银河系不会成形, 我们也不可能会在这儿。
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So this is the second of those dangerous numbers,
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所以这是第二个危险的数字,
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the strength of dark energy,
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暗能量的强度,
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and explaining it requires an even more fantastic level of fine-tuning
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而且对它的解释需要达到比希格斯场
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than we saw for the Higgs field.
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更加奇妙的等级。
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But unlike the Higgs field, this number has no known explanation.
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不过不像希格斯场, 这个数字并没有已知的解释。
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The hope was that a complete combination
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现在的希望是能够将
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of Einstein's general theory of relativity,
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爱因斯坦的广义相对论,
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which is the theory of the universe at grand scales,
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也就是宏观宇宙的理论,
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with quantum mechanics, the theory of the universe at small scales,
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还有量子力学,微观世界的理论 进行统一,
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might provide a solution.
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也许能够让我们得出一个结论。
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Einstein himself spent most of his later years
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爱因斯坦白白花费了 他晚年的大部分时间
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on a futile search for a unified theory of physics,
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来寻找一个统一的物理理论,
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and physicists have kept at it ever since.
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并且物理学家们从那之后 也一直致力于同样的事。
08:06
One of the most promising candidates for a unified theory is string theory,
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最有希望的候选者之一就是弦理论了,
08:10
and the essential idea is,
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它的核心思想就是,
08:12
if you could zoom in on the fundamental particles that make up our world,
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如果你能够放大组成我们的世界的粒子,
08:15
you'd see actually that they're not particles at all,
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你会发现它们事实上根本就不是粒子,
08:18
but tiny vibrating strings of energy,
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而是微小的正在震动的能量弦,
08:21
with each frequency of vibration corresponding to a different particle,
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每个不同频率的震动 代表着不同的粒子,
08:25
a bit like musical notes on a guitar string.
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有点类似于吉他弦上的音符。
08:28
So it's a rather elegant, almost poetic way of looking at the world,
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因此这是一个相当优美, 而且很有诗意的看待这个世界的方式,
08:32
but it has one catastrophic problem.
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不过它有一个很严重的问题。
08:35
It turns out that string theory isn't one theory at all,
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那就是弦理论并不只是一个理论,
08:38
but a whole collection of theories.
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而是很多个理论的集合。
08:40
It's been estimated, in fact,
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据估计,实际上,
08:42
that there are 10 to the 500 different versions of string theory.
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弦理论一共有10到500种不同的版本。
08:46
Each one would describe a different universe
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每一种都能够描述一个不同的宇宙,
08:48
with different laws of physics.
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还有其伴随着的物理定律。
08:50
Now, critics say this makes string theory unscientific.
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现在,反对者们说 这让弦理论变得不科学。
08:53
You can't disprove the theory.
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因为你不能反驳这个理论。
08:55
But others actually turned this on its head
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不过其他的人却并不同意,
08:57
and said, well, maybe this apparent failure
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并且说道,也许这个很明显的错误,
08:59
is string theory's greatest triumph.
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而它恰恰也是弦理论最大的成功。
09:02
What if all of these 10 to the 500 different possible universes
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要是这10到500种不同的宇宙
09:05
actually exist out there somewhere
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真的存在于多元宇宙中的
09:07
in some grand multiverse?
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某些地方呢?
09:10
Suddenly we can understand
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瞬间,我们就能够理解
09:12
the weirdly fine-tuned values of these two dangerous numbers.
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这两个危险数字的诡异调整值了。
09:15
In most of the multiverse,
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在大部分的多元宇宙中,
09:17
dark energy is so strong that the universe gets torn apart,
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暗能量将整个宇宙扯碎,
或者是希格斯场的强度弱到 不允许任何原子的成形。
09:20
or the Higgs field is so weak that no atoms can form.
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09:23
We live in one of the places in the multiverse
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我们生活在其中一个 多元宇宙中的某个地方,
09:25
where the two numbers are just right.
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在这个地方这两个数值恰好合适。
09:28
We live in a Goldilocks universe.
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我们住在金发歌蒂的宇宙中 (译注:意为各种条件刚刚合适)。
09:31
Now, this idea is extremely controversial, and it's easy to see why.
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现在,这个想法非常容易引起争议, 并且我们很容易明白为什么。
09:36
If we follow this line of thinking,
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如果我们跟随着这种想法,
09:38
then we will never be able to answer the question,
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那么我们将永远也无法回答这个问题,
09:40
"Why is there something rather than nothing?"
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“为什么这儿不是一片空旷呢?”
09:43
In most of the multiverse, there is nothing,
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在多元宇宙中的大多数宇宙里, 那儿什么也没有,
09:45
and we live in one of the few places
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而且我们生活在少数的
09:47
where the laws of physics allow there to be something.
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存在物理定律, 并且不是一片空旷的宇宙中。
09:51
Even worse, we can't test the idea of the multiverse.
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更糟的是,我们甚至不能 测试多元宇宙这个想法。
09:54
We can't access these other universes,
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我们无法访问其它的宇宙,
09:56
so there's no way of knowing whether they're there or not.
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因此我们无从得知 其它的宇宙是否存在。
10:01
So we're in an extremely frustrating position.
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所以我们正处在一个很沮丧的位置。
那并不表示多元宇宙并不存在。
10:05
That doesn't mean the multiverse doesn't exist.
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10:07
There are other planets, other stars, other galaxies,
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还有其它的行星, 其它的恒星和其它的银河系,
10:10
so why not other universes?
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那么为什么不能有其它的宇宙呢?
10:12
The problem is, it's unlikely we'll ever know for sure.
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问题在于,这并不像我们最终能够 得出准确结论的其它事一样。
10:16
Now, the idea of the multiverse has been around for a while,
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现在,多元宇宙的思想 已经提出有一段时间了,
10:20
but in the last few years, we've started to get the first solid hints
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不过在过去的几年里, 我们才开始得到可靠的迹象
10:23
that this line of reasoning may get born out.
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来证明这个解释能够行得通。
10:27
Despite high hopes for the first run of the LHC,
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不管我们对大型强子对撞机的 第一次测试
10:30
what we were looking for there --
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抱有多大的希望——
我们正在寻求物理学上的 一个新的理论:
10:32
we were looking for new theories of physics:
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超对称性或者是大型额外维度,
10:34
supersymmetry or large extra dimensions
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能够解释希格斯场诡异的调整值。
10:36
that could explain this weirdly fine-tuned value of the Higgs field.
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10:40
But despite high hopes, the LHC revealed a barren subatomic wilderness
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不过不管我们抱有多高的希望, 大型强子对撞机只显示出了一个贫瘠的,
10:44
populated only by a lonely Higgs boson.
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只含有希格斯波色子的荒漠。
10:48
My experiment published paper after paper
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我的实验数据已经 发表了一篇又一篇文章,
10:51
where we glumly had to conclude that we saw no signs of new physics.
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显示我们并没有看到 任何有关新的物理现象的迹象。
10:56
The stakes now could not be higher.
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我们现在的处境已经 前所未有地危险了。
这个暑假,大型强子对撞机 开始了第二次运行,
10:59
This summer, the LHC began its second phase of operation
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它的能量将近是第一次的两倍。
11:02
with an energy almost double what we achieved in the first run.
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11:05
What particle physicists are all desperately hoping for
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量子物理学家们不顾一切地希望着
11:07
are signs of new particles, micro black holes,
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新粒子,微型黑洞的迹象,
11:10
or maybe something totally unexpected
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或者是任何意料之外的现象
11:12
emerging from the violent collisions at the Large Hadron Collider.
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能够出现在大型强子对撞机的碰撞中。
11:16
If so, then we can continue this long journey
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如果真的出现了, 那么我们就能够继续这个
11:18
that began 100 years ago with Albert Einstein
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100年前由爱因斯坦开始的
11:21
towards an ever deeper understanding of the laws of nature.
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更深入探索自然界定律的漫长旅程。
11:25
But if, in two or three years' time,
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不过如果,在两到三年后,
11:27
when the LHC switches off again for a second long shutdown,
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当大型强子对撞机再次结束时,
11:31
we've found nothing but the Higgs boson,
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我们除了希格斯波色子之外 还是什么也没发现,
11:33
then we may be entering a new era in physics:
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那么我们也许会进入 物理史上的新纪元:
11:37
an era where there are weird features of the universe that we cannot explain;
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一个拥有我们无法解释的 诡异现象的宇宙的纪元;
一个提示着我们有着令人沮丧的
11:42
an era where we have hints that we live in a multiverse
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11:45
that lies frustratingly forever beyond our reach;
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无法到达的多元宇宙的纪元;
一个我们永远也无法回答这个问题,
11:49
an era where we will never be able to answer the question,
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“为什么这儿不是一片空旷呢?” 的纪元。
11:52
"Why is there something rather than nothing?"
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11:55
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
11:56
(Applause)
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(掌声)
12:03
Bruno Giussani: Harry, even if you just said
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Bruno Giussani (BG): 哈利,尽管你刚提到
12:06
the science may not have some answers,
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科学也许无法回答这些问题,
12:08
I would like to ask you a couple of questions, and the first is:
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我还是想问问你几个问题, 第一个问题是:
建造大型强子对撞机 是一个世代的工程。
12:11
building something like the LHC is a generational project.
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12:14
I just mentioned, introducing you, that we live in a short-term world.
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当我介绍你的时候, 我提到了我们住在一个短周期的世界里。
12:18
How do you think so long term,
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那么跳出来看, 对于这一代人花了这么久的时间
12:21
projecting yourself out a generation when building something like this?
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建造这样一个东西,你是怎么想的?
12:24
Harry Cliff: I was very lucky
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Harry Cliff (HC): 我非常幸运
能够在2008年加入到 大型强子对撞机的这个实验中,
12:26
that I joined the experiment I work on at the LHC in 2008,
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12:28
just as we were switching on,
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当时这个项目刚刚开始,
12:30
and there are people in my research group who have been working on it
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我的研究组里就有人 已经从事这个方向的研究
长达三十年了, 他们的整个生涯都在这个机器上。
12:33
for three decades, their entire careers on one machine.
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因此我认为第一次关于大型强子对撞机的 对话是在1976年,
12:36
So I think the first conversations about the LHC were in 1976,
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12:39
and you start planning the machine without the technology
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而且在你需要的科技还并不存在时,
就开始计划去建造它。
12:42
that you know you're going to need to be able to build it.
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因此当开始认真设计时的90年代,
12:44
So the computing power did not exist in the early '90s
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计算水平还远远不够。
12:47
when design work began in earnest.
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12:48
One of the big detectors which record these collisions,
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在打造能记录这些碰撞的 大型探测器其中之一时,
他们并不认为科技能够先进到
12:51
they didn't think there was technology
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12:52
that could withstand the radiation that would be created in the LHC,
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让它承受大型强子对撞机 可能产生的辐射,
12:55
so there was basically a lump of lead in the middle of this object
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因此在这些探测器中间
有一块铅块,
12:58
with some detectors around the outside,
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不过随后我们发展了科技。
13:00
but subsequently we have developed technology.
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因此你必须依靠人们的心灵手巧来 解决这些问题,
13:02
So you have to rely on people's ingenuity, that they will solve the problems,
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不过这也许会花费10年甚至更长的时间。
13:05
but it may be a decade or more down the line.
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BG: 中国就在两到三个礼拜前刚宣布
13:07
BG: China just announced two or three weeks ago
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13:09
that they intend to build
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他们计划建造
一个大型强子对撞机两倍大小的 超级对撞机。
13:11
a supercollider twice the size of the LHC.
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我想知道你和你的同事 是如何看待这条新闻的。
13:14
I was wondering how you and your colleagues welcome the news.
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13:17
HC: Size isn't everything, Bruno. BG: I'm sure. I'm sure.
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HC:大小并不代表任何东西, Bruno。 BG:那是当然。那是当然。
13:20
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:22
It sounds funny for a particle physicist to say that.
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HC:这从一个粒子物理学家嘴里 说出来也许很滑稽。
13:24
But I mean, seriously, it's great news.
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不过很严肃地说, 这是个好消息。
13:26
So building a machine like the LHC
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建造一个像大型强子对撞机的机器
13:29
requires countries from all over the world to pool their resources.
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要求全世界的国家来汇集它们的资源。
没有哪个国家能够 单独建造如此大的机器,
13:32
No one nation can afford to build a machine this large,
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13:34
apart from maybe China,
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也可能中国是个例外,
13:35
because they can mobilize huge amounts of resources,
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因为他们能够动员大量的资源,
13:37
manpower and money to build machines like this.
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劳动力和资金来建造这个。
13:39
So it's only a good thing.
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因此这只能是一件好事。
他们将要计划去做的事是建造一个机器,
13:41
What they're really planning to do is to build a machine
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13:43
that will study the Higgs boson in detail and could give us some clues
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然后深入学习希格斯波色子 并且提供我们一些线索,
13:46
as to whether these new ideas, like supersymmetry, are really out there,
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就像超对称一样,真实地存在于那儿,
13:49
so it's great news for physics, I think.
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所以我认为这对于 物理学家来说是一件好事。
BG:哈利,谢谢你。 HC:非常感谢你。
13:51
BG: Harry, thank you. HC: Thank you very much.
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(掌声)
13:53
(Applause)
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