Have we reached the end of physics? | Harry Cliff

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A hundred years ago this month, a 36-year-old Albert Einstein
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百年前的此月,
36 歲的愛因斯坦
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stood up in front of the Prussian Academy of Sciences in Berlin
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在柏林普魯士科學院前
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to present a radical new theory of space, time and gravity:
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發表有關時空與重力的 開創性理論:
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the general theory of relativity.
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廣義相對論。
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General relativity is unquestionably Einstein's masterpiece,
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這無疑是愛因斯坦的傑作,
00:30
a theory which reveals the workings of the universe at the grandest scales,
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揭露大尺度世界的運行法則,
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capturing in one beautiful line of algebra
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以一則優美的公式囊括一切,
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everything from why apples fall from trees to the beginning of time and space.
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從為何蘋果會從樹上掉落
到時空的起源。
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1915 must have been an exciting year to be a physicist.
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1915 年是令物理學家 興奮的一年,
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Two new ideas were turning the subject on its head.
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兩個嶄新的觀念 在物理界掀起革命。
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One was Einstein's theory of relativity,
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一是愛因斯坦的相對論,
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the other was arguably even more revolutionary:
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另一個可說是 更革命性的量子力學。
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quantum mechanics,
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a mind-meltingly strange yet stunningly successful new way
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這是一個十分艱深 但有效的新方法,
00:58
of understanding the microworld, the world of atoms and particles.
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讓我們理解 原子與粒子的小尺度世界。
01:03
Over the last century, these two ideas have utterly transformed
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上個世紀這兩個理論
完全顛覆我們對宇宙的認知。
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our understanding of the universe.
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01:09
It's thanks to relativity and quantum mechanics
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多虧這兩個理論,
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that we've learned what the universe is made from,
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我們得以了解宇宙的 構成、形成與演進。
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how it began and how it continues to evolve.
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01:17
A hundred years on, we now find ourselves at another turning point in physics,
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百年後的今日,
我們站在物理學新的轉捩點,
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but what's at stake now is rather different.
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但情況與當時卻相當不同,
01:24
The next few years may tell us whether we'll be able
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未來幾年或許會告訴我們
是否可以進一步加深 對自然的認知,
01:27
to continue to increase our understanding of nature,
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01:30
or whether maybe for the first time in the history of science,
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抑或將是科學史上首次
01:33
we could be facing questions that we cannot answer,
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人類面臨無法解釋的問題,
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not because we don't have the brains or technology,
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不是因為缺乏足夠才智或科技,
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but because the laws of physics themselves forbid it.
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而是物理定律阻止了我們。
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This is the essential problem: the universe is far, far too interesting.
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以下是主要問題:
宇宙實在太多采多姿,
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Relativity and quantum mechanics appear to suggest
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相對論與量子力學卻暗示:
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that the universe should be a boring place.
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宇宙應該是很空寂的,
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It should be dark, lethal and lifeless.
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應該是黑暗、致命、無生氣的。
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But when we look around us, we see we live in a universe full of interesting stuff,
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但當我們環顧四周,
會發現我們處於一個充滿
恆星、行星、樹木與 動物的新奇世界 。
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full of stars, planets, trees, squirrels.
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02:04
The question is, ultimately,
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最終,問題是:
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why does all this interesting stuff exist?
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為什麼有這些有趣的萬物存在?
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Why is there something rather than nothing?
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為什麼是「有」,而不是「虛無」?
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This contradiction is the most pressing problem in fundamental physics,
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這個矛盾在基礎物理中 是最迫切的問題。
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and in the next few years, we may find out whether we'll ever be able to solve it.
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而在未來幾年,
我們也許會知道 是否有能力解決它。
02:23
At the heart of this problem are two numbers,
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在這問題的核心是兩個數字,
02:26
two extremely dangerous numbers.
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兩個極端危險的數字,
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These are properties of the universe that we can measure,
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關乎兩項可以量測的宇宙特質。
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and they're extremely dangerous
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它們非常危險,
因為假若它們之值 與現今有絲毫差異,
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because if they were different, even by a tiny bit,
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02:35
then the universe as we know it would not exist.
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那我們所熟知的宇宙 便不復存在。
02:38
The first of these numbers is associated with the discovery that was made
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第一個數字與在 距此數公里之外的
歐洲核子研究組織(CERN)裡,
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a few kilometers from this hall, at CERN, home of this machine,
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人類所建造最大的科學儀器──
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the largest scientific device ever built by the human race,
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大強子對撞機(LHC) 所做的發現有關。
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the Large Hadron Collider.
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02:50
The LHC whizzes subatomic particles around a 27-kilometer ring,
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LHC 在長達 27 公里的環中,
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getting them closer and closer to the speed of light
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加速次原子粒子直至接近光速,
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before smashing them into each other inside gigantic particle detectors.
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再使它們在巨型粒子探測器中對撞。
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On July 4, 2012, physicists at CERN announced to the world
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2012 年 7 月 4 日,
CERN 的物理學家 向全世界宣告,
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that they'd spotted a new fundamental particle
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探測到新的基本粒子。
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being created at the violent collisions at the LHC: the Higgs boson.
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在 LHC 的一場 劇烈對撞中產生:
希格斯玻色子。
03:13
Now, if you followed the news at the time,
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如果你當時有關注這個消息,
03:15
you'll have seen a lot of physicists getting very excited indeed,
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你會發現許多物理學家十分興奮。
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and you'd be forgiven for thinking
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而你也會覺得,
每次物理學家 發現新粒子都是如此,
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we get that way every time we discover a new particle.
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03:22
Well, that is kind of true,
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沒錯。
03:24
but the Higgs boson is particularly special.
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但希格斯玻色子格外特別,
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We all got so excited because finding the Higgs
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我們如此興奮是因為 發現希格斯玻色子,
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proves the existence of a cosmic energy field.
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意味著宇宙能量場的存在。
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Now, you may have trouble imagining an energy field,
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你可能無法想像一個能量場,
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but we've all experienced one.
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但我們都有這種經驗:
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If you've ever held a magnet close to a piece of metal
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如果你拿一個磁鐵靠近金屬片,
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and felt a force pulling across that gap,
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會感覺到之間有一股無形的拉力,
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then you've felt the effect of a field.
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那麼你就是感受到場的效應。
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And the Higgs field is a little bit like a magnetic field,
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希格斯場有點類似磁場,
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except it has a constant value everywhere.
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但它在任何地方都是常數,
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It's all around us right now.
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它就在我們四周,
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We can't see it or touch it,
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我們無法看或感受它,
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but if it wasn't there,
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但倘若它不存在,
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we would not exist.
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我們便不存在。
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The Higgs field gives mass
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希格斯場給予構成 我們的基本粒子質量,
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to the fundamental particles that we're made from.
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如果它不存在,
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If it wasn't there, those particles would have no mass,
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這些粒子便沒有質量,
原子無法形成,
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and no atoms could form and there would be no us.
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也就不會有你我。
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But there is something deeply mysterious about the Higgs field.
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但關於希格斯場有個謎團,
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Relativity and quantum mechanics tell us that it has two natural settings,
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相對論與量子力學說 它有兩種自然狀態。
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a bit like a light switch.
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有點像是電燈開關,
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It should either be off,
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不是關──
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so that it has a zero value everywhere in space,
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也就是說它到處的值都是零,
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or it should be on so it has an absolutely enormous value.
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就是開──
也就是說它到處都是個巨大定值。
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In both of these scenarios, atoms could not exist,
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在這兩個情況下原子都無法存在,
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and therefore all the other interesting stuff
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也因此這世上我們所見
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that we see around us in the universe would not exist.
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一切有趣事物將不存在。
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In reality, the Higgs field is just slightly on,
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事實上
希格斯場是稍稍打開的,
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not zero but 10,000 trillion times weaker than its fully on value,
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不是零,而是 開的值的一萬兆分之一,
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a bit like a light switch that's got stuck just before the off position.
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有點像是卡在 「關」前面一點的電燈開關。
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And this value is crucial.
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這個值十分重要,
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If it were a tiny bit different,
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若它與此值有絲毫不同,
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then there would be no physical structure in the universe.
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在宇宙中將不會有任何物理結構,
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So this is the first of our dangerous numbers,
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這就是第一個危險的數字,
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the strength of the Higgs field.
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希格斯場的強度。
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Theorists have spent decades trying to understand
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理論學家花了 幾十年的時間嘗試理解,
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why it has this very peculiarly fine-tuned number,
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為何是如此詭異精微的數值?
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and they've come up with a number of possible explanations.
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他們提出許多可行的解釋,
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They have sexy-sounding names like "supersymmetry"
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它們有酷炫的名字如
超對稱或巨大額外維度。
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or "large extra dimensions."
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I'm not going to go into the details of these ideas now,
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我不會討論這些想法的細節,
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but the key point is this:
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但重點是:
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if any of them explained this weirdly fine-tuned value of the Higgs field,
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若它們真的解釋 怪異的希格斯場強度。
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then we should see new particles being created at the LHC
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那麼在 LHC 中我們應會觀察到
新粒子伴隨希格斯玻色子產生,
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along with the Higgs boson.
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So far, though, we've not seen any sign of them.
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但至今為止我們一無所獲。
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But there's actually an even worse example
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然而還有關於這種
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of this kind of fine-tuning of a dangerous number,
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精細危險數字的更慘例子。
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and this time it comes from the other end of the scale,
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這次它來自另一個極端尺度:
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from studying the universe at vast distances.
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大尺度下的宇宙學。
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One of the most important consequences of Einstein's general theory of relativity
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愛因斯坦廣義相對論,
最重要的結論之一是
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was the discovery that the universe began as a rapid expansion of space and time
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發現在 138 億年以前, 因時空急速膨脹而生成宇宙,
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13.8 billion years ago, the Big Bang.
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這就是大霹靂。
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Now, according to early versions of the Big Bang theory,
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根據大霹靂學說的早期版本,
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the universe has been expanding ever since
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宇宙一直在膨脹,
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with gravity gradually putting the brakes on that expansion.
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而重力使其膨脹速逐漸減緩。
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But in 1998, astronomers made the stunning discovery
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但在 1998 年,
天文學家發現一件驚人的事實:
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that the expansion of the universe is actually speeding up.
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宇宙正在加速膨脹!
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The universe is getting bigger and bigger faster and faster
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宇宙之所以加速擴張,
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driven by a mysterious repulsive force called dark energy.
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乃是受一種稱為暗能量的 神祕斥力所驅使。
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Now, whenever you hear the word "dark" in physics,
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在物理學當你聽到「暗」時,
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you should get very suspicious
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你要有警覺心,
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because it probably means we don't know what we're talking about.
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因為這很可能意味著
我們不知道自己在說什麼。
(笑聲)
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(Laughter)
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我們不知道什麼是暗能量,
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We don't know what dark energy is,
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but the best idea is that it's the energy of empty space itself,
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但最好的解釋是: 它是空無空間的能量、
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the energy of the vacuum.
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真空的能量。
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Now, if you use good old quantum mechanics to work out
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如果你用舊的量子力學
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how strong dark energy should be,
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計算暗能量的強度,
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you get an absolutely astonishing result.
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你會得到驚人的結果。
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You find that dark energy
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你會發現它的值應該是
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should be 10 to the power of 120 times stronger
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我們在天文學觀察到的值, 再乘以10 的 120 次方。
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than the value we observe from astronomy.
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That's one with 120 zeroes after it.
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就是 1 後面加 120 個 0。
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This is a number so mind-bogglingly huge
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這個數字如此龐大,
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that it's impossible to get your head around.
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以至於你的腦袋會當機。
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We often use the word "astronomical" when we're talking about big numbers.
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我們常用「天文數字」 來描述巨大數字,
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Well, even that one won't do here.
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但在這兒卻不管用,
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This number is bigger than any number in astronomy.
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因為它比天文學裡的任何數字還大。
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It's a thousand trillion trillion trillion times bigger
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它是整個宇宙原子數量的 一千兆兆兆倍,
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than the number of atoms in the entire universe.
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So that's a pretty bad prediction.
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所以這是個很差勁的預估。
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In fact, it's been called the worst prediction in physics,
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事實上它被稱為 物理史上最糟的預估。
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and this is more than just a theoretical curiosity.
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而這不單是理論上的事,
07:20
If dark energy were anywhere near this strong,
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若暗能量到處都是如此強,
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then the universe would have been torn apart,
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宇宙早就被撕碎了,
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stars and galaxies could not form, and we would not be here.
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星星與星系也不會形成,
我們也不會存在。
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So this is the second of those dangerous numbers,
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這就是第二個危險的數字:
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the strength of dark energy,
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暗能量強度。
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and explaining it requires an even more fantastic level of fine-tuning
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解釋它需要比我們在 希格斯場見到的
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than we saw for the Higgs field.
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更加精細的微調。
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But unlike the Higgs field, this number has no known explanation.
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但與希格斯場不同的是,
對於這個數字 沒有任何已知的解釋,
07:45
The hope was that a complete combination
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而希望繫於:
愛因斯坦的相對論──
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of Einstein's general theory of relativity,
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07:49
which is the theory of the universe at grand scales,
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即大尺度描述宇宙的理論,
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with quantum mechanics, the theory of the universe at small scales,
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與量子力學──
小尺度描述宇宙的理論,
07:55
might provide a solution.
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兩者的大一統可以提供解答,
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Einstein himself spent most of his later years
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愛因斯坦晚年大多時間致力於
08:00
on a futile search for a unified theory of physics,
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大一統論的尋找,但並未成功。
08:03
and physicists have kept at it ever since.
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而往後的物理學家也是如此。
08:06
One of the most promising candidates for a unified theory is string theory,
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其中一個較有希望的候選者是弦論,
08:10
and the essential idea is,
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它的主要思想是:
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if you could zoom in on the fundamental particles that make up our world,
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如果你能極近觀察 構成世界的基本粒子,
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you'd see actually that they're not particles at all,
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你會發現它們根本不是粒子,
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but tiny vibrating strings of energy,
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而是細小振動的能量弦。
08:21
with each frequency of vibration corresponding to a different particle,
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不同的振動頻率對應不同的粒子。
08:25
a bit like musical notes on a guitar string.
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有點像是吉他弦的音階,
08:28
So it's a rather elegant, almost poetic way of looking at the world,
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這是以極高雅甚至如詩的方式
來看這個世界。
08:32
but it has one catastrophic problem.
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但它有個致命傷:
08:35
It turns out that string theory isn't one theory at all,
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弦論根本不是一個理論,
08:38
but a whole collection of theories.
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而是許多理論的集合,
08:40
It's been estimated, in fact,
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事實上估計約有
08:42
that there are 10 to the 500 different versions of string theory.
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十至五百個不同的弦論,
08:46
Each one would describe a different universe
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每一個都描述不同的宇宙
08:48
with different laws of physics.
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與不同的物理定律。
08:50
Now, critics say this makes string theory unscientific.
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批評者表示這使弦論不科學,
08:53
You can't disprove the theory.
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你無法證明它的對錯。
08:55
But others actually turned this on its head
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但有人腦筋一轉說:
08:57
and said, well, maybe this apparent failure
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或許這顯見的失敗是
08:59
is string theory's greatest triumph.
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弦論最大的成功。
09:02
What if all of these 10 to the 500 different possible universes
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若這十至五百個理論描述的宇宙,
09:05
actually exist out there somewhere
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確實在多重宇宙的某處存在,
09:07
in some grand multiverse?
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09:10
Suddenly we can understand
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剎那間我們就可以解釋
09:12
the weirdly fine-tuned values of these two dangerous numbers.
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那兩個怪異精細的危險數字。
09:15
In most of the multiverse,
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在多重宇宙大多地方,
暗能量太強以致宇宙會被撕裂,
09:17
dark energy is so strong that the universe gets torn apart,
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或希格斯場太弱以致原子無法形成。
09:20
or the Higgs field is so weak that no atoms can form.
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09:23
We live in one of the places in the multiverse
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我們在多重宇宙的一隅,
09:25
where the two numbers are just right.
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剛好這兩數字是恰當的。
09:28
We live in a Goldilocks universe.
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我們住在「金髮宇宙」 (適當的宇宙)。
09:31
Now, this idea is extremely controversial, and it's easy to see why.
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這個想法十分具爭議性,
原因十分簡單,
09:36
If we follow this line of thinking,
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如果我們順著這條思路,
09:38
then we will never be able to answer the question,
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那我們永遠無法回答以下問題:
09:40
"Why is there something rather than nothing?"
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為什麼是「有」而不是「虛無」?
09:43
In most of the multiverse, there is nothing,
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在多重宇宙大多處什麼也沒有,
09:45
and we live in one of the few places
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我們住在其中一個少數地方,
09:47
where the laws of physics allow there to be something.
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剛好物理定律允許存在物質。
09:51
Even worse, we can't test the idea of the multiverse.
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更糟的是我們無法 檢驗多重宇宙的想法,
09:54
We can't access these other universes,
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我們無法去其他宇宙,
09:56
so there's no way of knowing whether they're there or not.
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所以無法得知它是否存在。
10:01
So we're in an extremely frustrating position.
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所以我們處於一種令人氣餒的狀況。
但那不代表多重宇宙不存在,
10:05
That doesn't mean the multiverse doesn't exist.
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10:07
There are other planets, other stars, other galaxies,
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既然有其他行星、恆星與星系,
10:10
so why not other universes?
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為何其他宇宙不行?
10:12
The problem is, it's unlikely we'll ever know for sure.
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問題是我們不太可能 證實它的真實性。
10:16
Now, the idea of the multiverse has been around for a while,
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多重宇宙的想法已經出現一陣子。
10:20
but in the last few years, we've started to get the first solid hints
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在最近幾年
我們開始有幾個較具體的跡象,
10:23
that this line of reasoning may get born out.
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顯示這條思路或許行得通。
10:27
Despite high hopes for the first run of the LHC,
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儘管對第一次 LHC 運行的高度期待,
10:30
what we were looking for there --
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我們在尋找新的物理理論:
10:32
we were looking for new theories of physics:
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超對稱或巨大額外維度,
10:34
supersymmetry or large extra dimensions
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以解釋詭異精細的希格斯場強度。
10:36
that could explain this weirdly fine-tuned value of the Higgs field.
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10:40
But despite high hopes, the LHC revealed a barren subatomic wilderness
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但儘管高度期待,
LHC 顯示出只有希格斯波色子的
10:44
populated only by a lonely Higgs boson.
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荒涼次原子世界。
10:48
My experiment published paper after paper
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我的實驗報告 一篇接著一篇都寫著,
10:51
where we glumly had to conclude that we saw no signs of new physics.
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我們遺憾宣布沒有新物理的跡象。
10:56
The stakes now could not be higher.
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危機指數已經到達頂端。
10:59
This summer, the LHC began its second phase of operation
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這個夏天 LHC 開始第二次運作,
能量幾乎是第一次的兩倍。
11:02
with an energy almost double what we achieved in the first run.
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11:05
What particle physicists are all desperately hoping for
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粒子學家迫切希望的
11:07
are signs of new particles, micro black holes,
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是新粒子、微型黑洞
11:10
or maybe something totally unexpected
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或完全意料之外的訊號,
11:12
emerging from the violent collisions at the Large Hadron Collider.
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從 LHC 激烈碰撞中產生。
11:16
If so, then we can continue this long journey
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倘若如此,我們便可以繼續這趟
11:18
that began 100 years ago with Albert Einstein
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由愛因斯坦開始的、 超過百年的旅程,
11:21
towards an ever deeper understanding of the laws of nature.
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朝著對自然律更深刻的認知邁進。
11:25
But if, in two or three years' time,
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但若兩三年下來,
11:27
when the LHC switches off again for a second long shutdown,
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在 LHC 第二次長期關機前,
我們除了希格斯玻色子外一無所獲。
11:31
we've found nothing but the Higgs boson,
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11:33
then we may be entering a new era in physics:
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那麼我們或許 就進入新的物理紀元:
11:37
an era where there are weird features of the universe that we cannot explain;
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一個有我們無法解釋現象的時代。
11:42
an era where we have hints that we live in a multiverse
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一個有跡象顯示我們活在
我們能力範圍外的多重宇宙時代。
11:45
that lies frustratingly forever beyond our reach;
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11:49
an era where we will never be able to answer the question,
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一個我們永遠無法回答
為什麼是「有」 而不是「虛無」的時代。
11:52
"Why is there something rather than nothing?"
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11:55
Thank you.
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謝謝!
11:56
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:03
Bruno Giussani: Harry, even if you just said
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布魯諾:哈利,即使你剛有說
12:06
the science may not have some answers,
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科學或許有無法解釋的事情,
我還是想問你幾個問題:
12:08
I would like to ask you a couple of questions, and the first is:
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第一個是
建造像 LHC 是一個世代的計畫,
12:11
building something like the LHC is a generational project.
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12:14
I just mentioned, introducing you, that we live in a short-term world.
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剛介紹你時我有提到,
我們活在短週期的世界裡,
12:18
How do you think so long term,
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你對這個世代的人花這麼多時間
12:21
projecting yourself out a generation when building something like this?
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建造這樣的機器有什麼看法?
12:24
Harry Cliff: I was very lucky
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哈利:我很幸運在 2008 年
12:26
that I joined the experiment I work on at the LHC in 2008,
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當一切剛開始起步時,
12:28
just as we were switching on,
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便加入這個研究團隊。
12:30
and there are people in my research group who have been working on it
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這個團隊中有研究它 超過三十年的人,
12:33
for three decades, their entire careers on one machine.
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他們人生全投入在這機器上。
我想第一次有關 LHC 的談話
12:36
So I think the first conversations about the LHC were in 1976,
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是在 1976 年。
12:39
and you start planning the machine without the technology
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在沒有所需科技來建造它的狀況下,
12:42
that you know you're going to need to be able to build it.
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人們開始設計它。
90 年代初期 設計工作認真開始時
12:44
So the computing power did not exist in the early '90s
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電腦運算能力還嚴重不足,
12:47
when design work began in earnest.
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12:48
One of the big detectors which record these collisions,
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其中一個偵測這些碰撞的偵測器,
當時他們不認為有科技
12:51
they didn't think there was technology
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12:52
that could withstand the radiation that would be created in the LHC,
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可以抵抗 LHC 內部 形成的輻射,
12:55
so there was basically a lump of lead in the middle of this object
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所以原本在這中間有一塊鉛,
12:58
with some detectors around the outside,
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偵測器則散佈四周,
但後來我們有發展出新科技。
13:00
but subsequently we have developed technology.
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我們必須依賴人們的聰慧,
13:02
So you have to rely on people's ingenuity, that they will solve the problems,
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一切問題會被解決,
只是可能是十年或更久之後。
13:05
but it may be a decade or more down the line.
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布:兩三個星期前中國宣布
13:07
BG: China just announced two or three weeks ago
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13:09
that they intend to build
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他們計畫建造一個
13:11
a supercollider twice the size of the LHC.
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比 LHC 大兩倍的超級對撞機,
13:14
I was wondering how you and your colleagues welcome the news.
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我想知道你與同事們 對這新聞的看法。
13:17
HC: Size isn't everything, Bruno. BG: I'm sure. I'm sure.
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哈:布魯諾,大小不代表一切。
布:我知道、我知道。
13:20
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:22
It sounds funny for a particle physicist to say that.
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聽粒子物理學家這樣說蠻有趣的。
13:24
But I mean, seriously, it's great news.
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不過認真地,它是個好消息!
13:26
So building a machine like the LHC
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建造像 LHC 的機器
13:29
requires countries from all over the world to pool their resources.
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需要全世界國家的投入,
13:32
No one nation can afford to build a machine this large,
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沒有國家可以負擔如此的花費,
13:34
apart from maybe China,
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或許除了中國。
13:35
because they can mobilize huge amounts of resources,
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因為他們可以動用
大量資源、人力、金錢
13:37
manpower and money to build machines like this.
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來建造這樣的機器。
13:39
So it's only a good thing.
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所以這是好消息吧!
13:41
What they're really planning to do is to build a machine
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他們計畫建造的是
可以詳細研究 希格斯玻色子並給我們
13:43
that will study the Higgs boson in detail and could give us some clues
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13:46
as to whether these new ideas, like supersymmetry, are really out there,
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像是超對稱的新想法 是否為真的線索。
13:49
so it's great news for physics, I think.
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所以我想對物理界來說是好消息。
13:51
BG: Harry, thank you. HC: Thank you very much.
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布:謝謝 哈:謝謝
(掌聲)
13:53
(Applause)
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