Tom Wujec: Got a wicked problem? First, tell me how you make toast

1,016,704 views ・ 2015-02-05

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翻译人员: Xiaoou Chen 校对人员: Lichao Xia
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Some years ago,
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几年前,
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I stumbled across a simple design exercise
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我偶然想到一个
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that helps people understand and solve complex problems,
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帮助人们理解和解决复杂问题的简单构思练习,
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and like many of these design exercises, it kind of seems trivial at first,
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像许多这样的构思性练习一样, 一开始都有一点琐碎无聊,
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but under deep inspection,
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但是在仔细的研究后,
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it turns out that it reveals unexpected truths
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结果发现揭示出了意想不到的事实
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about the way that we collaborate and make sense of things.
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有关我们合作和理解事物的方式。
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The exercise has three parts
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这个练习有三个部分,
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and begins with something that we all know how to do,
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以我们都知道的怎么做的一件事开始,
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which is how to make toast.
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那就是如何烤面包片。
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It begins with a clean sheet of paper, a felt marker,
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首先以一张白纸和一支马克笔开始,
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and without using any words, you begin to draw how to make toast.
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不需要任何语句, 你开始画如何制作烤面包片。
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And most people draw something like this.
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大部分人会画成这样。
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They draw a loaf of bread, which is sliced, then put into a toaster.
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他们画一条面包,切成片,然后放入烤面包机。
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The toast is then deposited for some time.
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然后烘烤一会儿。
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It pops up, and then voila! After two minutes, toast and happiness.
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然后,哗,面包弹了出来。 两分钟后则是,香香的烤面包和幸福。
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Now, over the years, I've collected many hundreds of drawings of these toasts,
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多年来,我已经收集了很多烤面包的画作,
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and some of them are very good,
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有些画的非常优秀,
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because they really illustrate the toast-making process quite clearly.
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因为他们清楚的展示了制作烤面包片的过程。
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And then there are some that are, well, not so good.
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另外,有一些画成这样的,比较差劲,
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They really suck, actually, because you don't know what they're trying to say.
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他们真的很糟糕, 因为你不知道他们想表达什么。
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Under close inspection,
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在仔细的研究后,
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some reveal some aspects of toast-making while hiding others.
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一些画作在展示烤面包片的某些方面时 隐藏了其他方面。
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So there's some that are all about the toast,
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有一些只是着重于烤面包,
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and all about the transformation of toast.
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和面包在备考先后的转化过程。
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And there's others that are all about the toaster,
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还有其它的是全关于面包机的,
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and the engineers love to draw the mechanics of this.
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并且工程师们特别喜欢画面包机的工作原理。
01:36
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:37
And then there are others that are about people.
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然后还有一些关于刻画人的。
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It's about visualizing the experience that people have.
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他们将人们的经历可视化。
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And then there are others that are about the supply chain of making toast
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还有是一些关于制作烤面包的供应链
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that goes all the way back to the store.
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并且把这过程还原到商店里。
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It goes through the supply chain networks of teleportation
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从远距离传输开始,
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and all the way back to the field and wheat,
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直到田地和小麦,
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and one all actually goes all the way back to the Big Bang.
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甚至有些人从大爆炸开始画起。
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So it's crazy stuff.
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这些东西都太疯狂了。
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But I think it's obvious
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但是我认为很明显的是
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that even though these drawings are really wildly different,
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即使这些画作都非常的不同,
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they share a common quality, and I'm wondering if you can see it.
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但是它们都有共同点, 不知道你们发现了没有。
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Do you see it? What's common about these?
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你们看见了么? 它们之间有什么共同点呢?
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Most drawings have nodes and links.
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大部分的画作有节点和链接。
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So nodes represent the tangible objects like the toaster and people,
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节点代表可触及物比如人和烤面包机,
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and links represent the connections between the nodes.
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链接则表示每个节点之间的联系。
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And it's the combination of links and nodes
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正是因为这些节点和链接的结合,
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that produces a full systems model,
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才生产出一个完整的系统模型,
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and it makes our private mental models visible
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这个则把我们个人思考事物如何运作的
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about how we think something works.
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思维模式可视化。
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So that's the value of these things.
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这就是这些东西的价值。
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What's interesting about these systems models
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这系统模型的有趣之处在于
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is how they reveal our various points of view.
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它们揭示了我们不同的观点。
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So for example, Americans make toast with a toaster.
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举个例子,美国人用烤面包机烤面包。
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That seems obvious.
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这似乎显而易见,
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Whereas many Europeans make toast with a frying pan, of course,
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但是欧洲人用平底锅烤面包, 当然这也是可以的,
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and many students make toast with a fire.
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而且,很多学生还用火烤面包。
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I don't really understand this. A lot of MBA students do this.
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我真的不是很理解。 但是很多 MBA 的学生这样做。
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So you can measure the complexity by counting the number of nodes,
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你可以通过数节点的个数衡量难度,
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and the average illustration has between four and eight nodes.
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平均的图画步骤一般在四和八个节点之间,
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Less than that, the drawing seems trivial,
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少于这个节点,画会看上去比较琐碎,
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but it's quick to understand,
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但是易懂,
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and more than 13, the drawing produces a feeling of map shock.
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要是多余 13 个则叫人张目结舌。
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It's too complex.
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因为太复杂了。
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So the sweet spot is between 5 and 13.
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所以呢 5 到 13 个节点恰到好处。
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So if you want to communicate something visually,
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如果你想用视觉进行沟通,
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have between five and 13 nodes in your diagram.
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那么在你的示意图里要有 5 到 13 个节点。
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So though we may not be skilled at drawing,
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虽然我们不一定善于绘画,
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the point is that we intuitively know how to break down complex things
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但关键是 我们的直觉知道如何将复杂的东西简化,
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into simple things and then bring them back together again.
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再将它们重新组合起来。
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So this brings us to our second part of the exercise,
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这样一来,我们就进入了 这个练习的第二个部分,
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which is how to make toast,
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就是怎样做烤面包片
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but now with sticky notes or with cards.
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但是得用便利贴或卡片表示出来。
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So what happens then?
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接着发生了什么呢?
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Well, with cards, most people tend to draw clear, more detailed,
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用卡片呢,大部分人倾向于 画出清晰,有细节,
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and more logical nodes.
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和更加有逻辑的节点。
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You can see the step by step analysis that takes place,
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你可以看到发生的每一步过程,
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and as they build up their model, they move their nodes around,
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当他们建立起他们的模型的时候, 他们移动他们的节点,
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rearranging them like Lego blocks.
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就像乐高积木一样重组它们。
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Now, though this might seem trivial, it's actually really important.
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虽然现在这看上去无关紧要, 但是实际上这非常重要。
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This rapid iteration of expressing and then reflecting and analyzing
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这快速的表达重述和思考与分析
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is really the only way in which we get clarity.
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是我们真正唯一明晰原理的方式。
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It's the essence of the design process.
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这是设计过程的核心。
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And systems theorists do tell us
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系统理论学家的确告诉我们,
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that the ease with which we can change a representation
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改变陈述方式的简单性
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correlates to our willingness to improve the model.
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与我们改进模型的积极性相关联。
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So sticky note systems are not only more fluid,
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所以呢,使用便利贴绘图不仅更加顺畅,
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they generally produce way more nodes than static drawings.
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而且比起在纸上绘图, 它们还会使人们画出更多的节点。
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The drawings are much richer.
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绘画内容也会更加丰富。
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And this brings us to our third part of the exercise,
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这便将我们带入这个练习的第三的部分,
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which is to draw how to make toast, but this time in a group.
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就是如何以一个小组的画出 如何烤面包片。
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So what happens then?
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这样会发生什么呢?
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Well, here's what happens.
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这是发生的状况。
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It starts out messy, and then it gets really messy,
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开始非常混乱,然后就变的真的很糟糕,
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and then it gets messier,
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之后变的更加乱了,
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but as people refine the models,
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但是当人们推敲模型的时候,
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the best nodes become more prominent,
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最好的节点们变得更加显著,
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and with each iteration, the model becomes clearer
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在经过每一次的重述, 模型便变得更加清晰,
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because people build on top of each other's ideas.
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因为人们的想法互相叠加。
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What emerges is a unified systems model
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这样一来着出现了一个统一的模型
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that integrates the diversity of everyone's individual points of view,
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将每个人不同的观点统一起来,
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so that's a really different outcome
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这样就会和我们之前通常看到的结果
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from what usually happens in meetings, isn't it?
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大不一样,对不对?
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So these drawings can contain 20 or more nodes,
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所以,这些画作会包含 20 或更多的节点,
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but participants don't feel map shock
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但是,参与者并不会感到混乱
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because they participate in the building of their models themselves.
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因为他们自己参与了模型的建造。
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Now, what's also really interesting, that the groups spontaneously mix
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更有趣的是,将参与组们即兴地混合
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and add additional layers of organization to it.
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和添加组织层次。
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To deal with contradictions, for example,
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为了解决矛盾,比如说,
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they add branching patterns and parallel patterns.
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他们将格局横竖分类。
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Oh, and by the way, if they do it in complete silence,
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哦,顺便说一句, 如果他们完全安静的工作,
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they do it much better and much more quickly.
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他们的效率更高,成果也更好。
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Really interesting -- talking gets in the way.
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非常有趣的是——讨论会降低效率。
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So here's some key lessons that can emerge from this.
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这个练习带来了一些关键的启发。
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First, drawing helps us understand the situations
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首先,绘图帮助我们
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as systems with nodes and their relationships.
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用节点的方式 理解不同情况和它们之间的关系。
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Movable cards produce better systems models,
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可移动的卡片生产出更好的模型,
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because we iterate much more fluidly.
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因为我们可以更流畅的重新表述。
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And then the group notes produce the most comprehensive models
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其次群体的绘图生产出更加全面的模型
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because we synthesize several points of view.
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因为我们将各个观点合成。
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So that's interesting.
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这很有趣。
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When people work together under the right circumstances,
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当人们在正确的环境下一起工作,
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group models are much better than individual models.
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团队模型要比个人模型好很多。
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So this approach works really great for drawing how to make toast,
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所以这个方法对于画烤面包非常有效,
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but what if you wanted to draw something more relevant or pressing,
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但是如果你要画些更加严肃的话题呢?
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like your organizational vision, or customer experience,
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比如组织远景,或是客户体验,
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or long-term sustainability?
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或是长期的可持续发展。
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There's a visual revolution that's taking place
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这个视觉上的革命正随着
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as more organizations are addressing their wicked problems
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更多的组织通过集体绘画的方式
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by collaboratively drawing them out.
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来解决那些复杂困难的问题。
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And I'm convinced that those who see their world as movable nodes and links
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我相信那些可以将他们的世界 看作可移动节点和链接的人
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really have an edge.
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会有很大的优势。
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And the practice is really pretty simple.
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这个的实践真的非常简单。
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You start with a question, you collect the nodes,
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你以一个问题开始,收集节点,
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you refine the nodes, you do it over again,
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优化节点,反复优化,
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you refine and refine and refine, and the patterns emerge,
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不断的优化,便有规律会出现,
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and the group gets clarity and you answer the question.
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组群便明晰起来, 然后你得到了问题的答案。
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So this simple act of visualizing and doing over and over again
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所以这简单的视觉化行为和不断地优化
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produces some really remarkable outcomes.
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产生出一些非常显著的结果。
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What's really important to know
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需要注意的一点是
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is that it's the conversations that are the important aspects,
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交流是很重要的,
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not just the models themselves.
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而不仅仅是模型本身。
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And these visual frames of reference
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这些可视的参考框架
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can grow to several hundreds or even thousands of nodes.
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可以有数百甚至上千的节点。
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So, one example is from an organization called Rodale.
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举一个来自罗达尔组织的例子。
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Big publishing company.
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那是一个很大的出版公司。
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They lost a bunch of money one year,
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有一年他们损失了很多钱,
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and their executive team for three days visualized their entire practice.
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他们的执行队伍花了三天将他们的全部经历可视化。
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And what's interesting is that after visualizing the entire business,
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有趣的是,在他们将他们的全部公司可视化之后,
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systems upon systems,
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系统叠加系统,
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they reclaimed 50 million dollars of revenue,
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他们重新声明取回了 5 亿美元的财政收入,
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and they also moved from a D rating to an A rating from their customers.
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他们客户那里的评价也从 D 变成了 A 。
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Why? Because there's alignment from the executive team.
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为什么呢?那是因为执行队伍的齐心合作。
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So I'm now on a mission to help organizations
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所以我现在的任务就是帮助组织们
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solve their wicked problems by using collaborative visualization,
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通过合作可视化的方法解决困难的问题,
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and on a site that I've produced called drawtoast.com,
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在一个 drawtoast.com 的网站上
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I've collected a bunch of best practices.
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我收集了一些最棒的实践练习,
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and so you can learn how to run a workshop here,
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你们可以学习怎么运行一个研讨会,
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you can learn more about the visual language
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你们可以学习更多视觉语言,
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and the structure of links and nodes that you can apply to general problem-solving,
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以及你可以运用到综合问题、 解决方法上的节点和链接的结构,
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and download examples of various templates
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并且可以下载不同的范例模板
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for unpacking the thorny problems that we all face in our organizations.
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去解决我们组织的困难问题。
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So the seemingly trivial design exercise of drawing toast
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所以这些看似琐碎的画烤面包的练习,
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helps us get clear, engaged and aligned.
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使我们更加明确,积极,和团结。
08:38
So next time you're confronted with an interesting challenge,
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所以,下一次你遇到一个有趣的挑战,
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remember what design has to teach us.
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记住设计所教会我们的。
08:43
Make your ideas visible, tangible, and consequential.
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让你的主意可视,可触摸,有结果。
08:47
It's simple, it's fun, it's powerful,
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这很简单,有趣,强大,
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and I believe it's an idea worth celebrating.
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我相信这是一个值得庆祝的主意。
08:54
Thank you.
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谢谢。
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