Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie: We should all be feminists | TED

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翻译人员: Wei Wu 校对人员: Jiawei Ni
00:12
So I would like to start by telling you about one of my greatest friends,
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今天我打算从一个我最好的朋友开始讲起,
00:17
Okoloma Maduewesi.
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他叫 Okoloma Maduewesi。
00:19
Okoloma lived on my street
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Okoloma 跟我住一个街区
00:21
and looked after me like a big brother.
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像大哥哥一样照顾我。
00:23
If I liked a boy, I would ask Okoloma's opinion.
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像是暗恋这样的事情我都会问Okoloma的意见。
00:27
Okoloma died in the notorious Sosoliso plane crash
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Okoloma死于尼日利亚Sosoliso空难
00:31
in Nigeria in December of 2005.
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时间是2005年12月。
00:34
Almost exactly seven years ago.
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差不多已经快七年了。
00:37
Okoloma was a person I could argue with, laugh with and truly talk to.
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我跟Okoloma无话不谈,毫无保留。
00:43
He was also the first person to call me a feminist.
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他也是第一个称我为“女权主义者”的人。
00:47
I was about fourteen, we were at his house, arguing.
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当时我才14岁,在他的家里争论某些话题。
00:50
Both of us bristling with half bit knowledge
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当时我们因为对书中知识的理解不同
00:53
from books that we had read.
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而争的面红耳赤。
00:55
I don't remember what this particular argument was about,
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我已经忘记当时争论的是什么了,
00:59
but I remember that as I argued and argued,
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但是我记得吵着吵着,
01:01
Okoloma looked at me and said, "You know, you're a feminist."
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Okoloma看着我说: “你知道嘛?你是个女权主义者。”
01:05
It was not a compliment.
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这可不是在夸奖我。
01:06
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:08
I could tell from his tone,
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我来形容一下他的语气,
01:09
the same tone that you would use to say something like,
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大概类似于现在这个时代说
01:12
"You're a supporter of terrorism."
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“你支持者恐怖主义”一样。
01:14
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:17
I did not know exactly what this word "feminist" meant,
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我当时不知道女权主义者是什么意思,
01:20
and I did not want Okoloma to know that I did not know.
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我更不想让Okoloma发现我不知道。
01:24
So I brushed it aside, and I continued to argue.
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所以我当时没接这个话茬, 继续争论之前的话题。
01:27
And the first thing I planned to do when I got home
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当我回到家的第一件事情
01:29
was to look up the word "feminist" in the dictionary.
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就是去字典里查“女权主义者”是什么意思。
01:32
Now fast forward to some years later,
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时间快进到若干年后,
01:35
I wrote a novel about a man who among other things beats his wife
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我写了一本书,情节包含了 一个男人打自己的老婆
01:39
and whose story doesn't end very well.
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然后(他的)下场不是很好。
01:42
While I was promoting the novel in Nigeria,
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当我在尼日利亚为小说进行宣传时,
01:44
a journalist, a nice, well-meaning man,
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一个记者,一位善良好心的男人,
01:47
told me he wanted to advise me.
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告诉我他希望给我一点建议。
01:51
And for the Nigerians here,
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我想在座的尼日利亚人
01:52
I'm sure we're all familiar
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一定都非常熟悉
01:53
with how quick our people are to give unsolicited advice.
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我们的同胞是多么急切地要提供建议。
02:01
He told me that people were saying that my novel was feminist
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他告诉我说人们觉得我的小说是女权主义的
02:05
and his advice to me --
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并且他建议我——
02:06
and he was shaking his head sadly as he spoke --
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当他说的时候悲伤的摇着头——
02:09
was that I should never call myself a feminist
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我应该再也不要提及自己是女权主义者
02:12
because feminists are women who are unhappy
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因为女权主义者都是一些不开心的女人
02:14
because they cannot find husbands.
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因为她们找不到丈夫。
02:16
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:21
So I decided to call myself "a happy feminist."
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所以我开始称自己为 “快乐的女权主义者”
02:24
Then an academic, a Nigerian woman told me
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后来一位学者,一位尼日利亚的女性告诉我
02:27
that feminism was not our culture
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女权主义不是我们文化的一部分,
02:29
and that feminism wasn't African,
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女权主义也不是非洲的,
02:30
and that I was calling myself a feminist
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我之所以自称女权主义者
02:32
because I had been corrupted by "Western books."
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是因为我看了太多“西方的书”。
02:35
Which amused me,
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这个说法让我觉得很有趣,
02:37
because a lot of my early readings were decidedly unfeminist.
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因为我早年阅读的那些书 百分百跟女权主义无关。
02:40
I think I must have read every single Mills & Boon romance published
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我想我一定是在我16岁之前就已经通读了
02:43
before I was sixteen.
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Mills & Boon 出版的所有书籍
02:45
And each time I tried to read those books
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每当我打算阅读那些书
02:47
called "the feminist classics,"
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那些”女权主义经典“
02:49
I'd get bored, and I really struggled to finish them.
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我都会觉得很无聊,很难看下去。
02:52
But anyway, since feminism was un-African,
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但是不管怎样,既然女权主义不是非洲的,
02:55
I decided that I would now call myself "a happy African feminist."
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我决定称自己为 “快乐的非洲女权主义者”
02:59
At some point I was a happy African feminist who does not hate men
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现在我变成了一个不讨厌男人的 快乐的非洲女权主义者
03:04
and who likes lip gloss
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喜欢涂润唇膏
03:05
and who wears high heels for herself but not for men.
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根据自己而不是男人的喜好来穿高跟鞋。
03:07
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:09
Of course a lot of this was tongue-in-cheek,
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当然我刚才很多话都是半开玩笑的,
03:11
but that word feminist is so heavy with baggage, negative baggage.
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但是“女权主义者”这个词带着 很多负面的历史包袱。
03:16
You hate men, you hate bras,
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你厌恶男人,你厌恶文胸,
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you hate African culture, that sort of thing.
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你厌恶非洲文化,如此种种。
03:22
Now here's a story from my childhood.
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我要讲一个我小时候的故事。
03:24
When I was in primary school,
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当我上小学的时候,
03:26
my teacher said at the beginning of term that she would give the class a test
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我的老师说在开学时会有一场考试
03:31
and whoever got the highest score would be the class monitor.
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考试分数最高的人将当上班长。
03:34
Now, class monitor was a big deal.
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各位,当班长可是件大事。
03:37
If you were a class monitor,
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一旦你当上了班长,
03:38
you got to write down the names of noisemakers --
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你就有权把捣蛋的小朋友记下来
03:41
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:42
which was having enough power of its own.
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这个权力可是很大的哦。
03:46
But my teacher would also give you a cane to hold in your hand
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而且我的老师还会拿根教鞭交给班长
03:51
while you walk around and patrol the class for noisemakers.
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在班级里巡逻揪出捣蛋鬼的时候攥在手里
03:55
Now, of course you were not actually allowed to use the cane.
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当然,使用教鞭打人是被禁止的。
03:58
But it was an exciting prospect for the nine-year-old me.
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对于9岁的我来说太激动人心了
04:02
I very much wanted to be the class monitor.
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我非常想当上班长。
04:04
And I got the highest score on the test.
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而且我也顺利考到了第一名。
04:07
Then, to my surprise, my teacher said that the monitor had to be a boy.
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然后我非常惊讶的听老师说, 班长必须是男孩。
04:12
She had forgotten to make that clear earlier
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她在考试前忘记澄清了
04:14
because she assumed it was ... obvious.
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因为她觉得这是很……自然的。
04:16
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:18
A boy had the second highest score on the test,
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第二名是个男孩,
04:20
and he would be monitor.
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他被提名当班长。
04:23
Now, what was even more interesting about this
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有意思的是
04:25
is that the boy was a sweet, gentle soul
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这个男孩很温和腼腆,
04:29
who had no interest in patrolling the class with the cane,
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并没有兴趣拿着教鞭在教室巡逻,
04:33
while I was full of ambition to do so.
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而我则非常渴望能这么做。
04:38
But I was female and he was male,
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但是我是女孩他是男孩,
04:40
and so he became the class monitor.
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所以他当上了班长。
04:43
And I've never forgotten that incident.
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这件事情我一辈子都不会忘。
04:45
I often make the mistake of thinking
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我经常犯的一个思维的误区
04:47
that something that is obvious to me is just as obvious to everyone else.
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是我觉得对我而言非常明显的道理 对别人并不是自然而然的。
04:51
Now, take my dear friend Louis
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让我以我的好朋友 Louis
04:52
for example.
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举个例子。
04:54
Louis is a brilliant, progressive man,
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Louis 是一个聪明有上进心的男人,
04:56
and we would have conversations and he would tell me,
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当我们聊天的时候他时常跟我说,
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"I don't know what you mean by things being different or harder for women.
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“我不知道你为什么老说 女人做起事情更加困难”
05:02
Maybe in the past, but not now."
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“过去或许是,但是现在已经不同了。”
05:05
And I didn't understand how Louis could not see what seems so self-evident.
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我不理解Louis怎么会看不到如此明显的事实。
05:09
Then one evening, in Lagos, Louis and I went out with friends.
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有天晚上,我跟Louis在拉各斯市 (尼日利亚首都)跟朋友聚会。
05:14
And for people here who are not familiar with Lagos,
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各位可能不太熟悉拉各斯市,
05:16
there's that wonderful Lagos' fixture,
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这个城市的标志性组成之一,
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the sprinkling of energetic men who hang around outside establishments
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就是散布在各个建筑外的 精力充沛的男人
05:23
and very dramatically "help" you park your car.
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举止非常夸张地“帮助”你泊车。
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I was impressed with the particular theatrics
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我那天对于帮助我们找到停车位的
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of the man who found us a parking spot that evening.
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那个男人的行为表现非常满意。
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And so as we were leaving, I decided to leave him a tip.
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所以当我从车上下来之后我决定给小费。
05:38
I opened my bag,
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我打开我的包,
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put my hand inside my bag,
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把我的手伸进我的包,
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brought out my money that I had earned from doing my work,
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拿出我的钱,
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and I gave it to the man.
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然后给了那个男人。
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And he, this man who was very grateful and very happy,
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这个男人非常地感激和开心,
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took the money from me,
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从我手里拿到了钱,
05:53
looked across at Louis
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(却)把目光投向Louis
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and said, "Thank you, sir!"
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说道,“谢谢您,先生!”
05:56
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:02
Louis looked at me, surprised,
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Louis很惊讶的看着我,
06:06
and asked, "Why is he thanking me? I didn't give him the money."
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问,“为什么他要感谢我? 又不是我给他的钱。”
06:10
Then I saw realization dawn on Louis' face.
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然后我看到Louis恍然大悟的表情。
06:14
The man believed that whatever money I had
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那个男人相信我手里的钱
06:17
had ultimately come from Louis.
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最终都是来自于身边的男人Louis的。
06:21
Because Louis is a man.
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就因为Louis是男的。
06:24
Men and women are different.
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男人和女人是不同的。
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We have different hormones, we have different sexual organs,
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我们有不同的荷尔蒙, 有不同的性器官,
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we have different biological abilities.
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在生理能力上也各有千秋。
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Women can have babies, men can't.
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女人可以生孩子,男人不行。
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At least not yet.
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至少现在不行。
06:35
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:37
Men have testosterone and are in general physically stronger than women.
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男人有睾丸酮,身体比女人更强壮有力。
06:42
There's slightly more women than men in the world,
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女人的数量比男人稍多一些,
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about 52 percent of the world's population is female.
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全球大概52%是女性。
06:48
But most of the positions of power and prestige are occupied by men.
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但是男人攫取了绝大部分权力和威望。
06:52
The late Kenyan Nobel Peace laureate,
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那位肯尼亚诺贝尔和平奖得主
06:55
Wangari Maathai,
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Wangari Waathai,
06:56
put it simply and well when she said:
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她阐述的非常明确:
06:59
"The higher you go, the fewer women there are."
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“当你爬的越高,你发现女人越少。”
07:03
In the recent US elections we kept hearing of the Lilly Ledbetter law,
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在最近的(2016年)美国大选中 Lilly Ledbetter 法案经常被提到,
07:08
and if we go beyond the nicely alliterative name of that law,
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这个法案的名字虽然好玩, 但是进一步了解你会发现
07:11
it was really about a man and a woman
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这实际上是说一个男人和女人
07:13
doing the same job, being equally qualified,
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如果工作内容和产出都相同,
07:16
and the man being paid more because he's a man.
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那么男人会拿到更多的薪酬, 仅仅因为他是男人。
07:19
So in the literal way, men rule the world,
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所以,男人真的掌控着世界,
07:23
and this made sense a thousand years ago
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而且数千年前这样是合理的,
07:26
because human beings lived then in a world
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因为人类生存的环境,
07:29
in which physical strength was the most important attribute for survival.
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当务之急是在恶劣环境中求生存。
07:34
The physically stronger person was more likely to lead,
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身体强壮的人更可能做首领,
07:39
and men, in general, are physically stronger.
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而男人身体普遍更强壮。
07:41
Of course there are many exceptions.
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当然也有很多男人很虚。
07:43
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:45
But today we live in a vastly different world.
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但是今天我们生活在完全不同的世界。
07:49
The person more likely to lead is not the physically stronger person;
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现在成为首领的要素, 已经不再是身体强壮,
07:53
it is the more creative person, the more intelligent person,
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而是要求有创造力,更加睿智,
07:57
the more innovative person,
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更加有创新精神的人,
07:59
and there are no hormones for those attributes.
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这些特质都不受荷尔蒙的支配。
08:02
A man is as likely as a woman to be intelligent,
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在智力上男人女人没有什么差异,
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to be creative, to be innovative.
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在创新和创造能力上也是如此。
08:07
We have evolved;
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我们在进化;
08:08
but it seems to me that our ideas of gender had not evolved.
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但是看起来我们的性别观忘记进化了。
08:13
Some weeks ago, I walked into a lobby of one of the best Nigerian hotels.
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几周前,我走进一个酒店大厅,那是 尼日利亚最好的酒店之一。
08:18
I thought about naming the hotel, but I thought I probably shouldn't.
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我在想要不要点出酒店的名字, 但是在这里我想还是算了。
08:21
And a guard at the entrance stopped me and asked me annoying questions,
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酒店门口的保安拦住了我, 问些让人恼火的问题,
08:25
because their automatic assumption is
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因为他们理所当然的以为,
08:27
that a Nigerian female walking into a hotel alone is a sex worker.
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单独走进酒店的当地女性,一定是妓女。
08:32
And by the way,
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而且顺带一问,
08:34
why do these hotels focus on the ostensible supply
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为什么这些酒店在乎表面的服务
08:37
rather than the demand for sex workers?
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对于性工作者的需求却视而不见?
08:41
In Lagos I cannot go alone into many "reputable" bars and clubs.
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拉各斯很多有“名望”的酒吧和俱乐部, 我一个人是进不去的。
08:46
They just don't let you in if you're a woman alone,
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他们不允许女人单独进入,
08:49
you have to be accompanied by a man.
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你要进去就必须有男人陪着。
08:51
Each time I walk into a Nigerian restaurant with a man,
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每次我带着一个男人进入尼日利亚的餐馆,
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the waiter greets the man and ignores me.
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服务生总是招呼男人,忽略我。
08:58
The waiters are products --
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这些服务生是产品——
08:59
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:00
At this some women felt like, "Yes! I thought that!"
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这时一些女人的反应是, “没错!我想也是!”
09:03
The waiters are products of a society
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这些服务生是社会的产物
09:05
that has taught them that men are more important than women.
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社会教育他们男人比女人重要。
09:10
And I know that waiters don't intend any harm.
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我也知道服务生无意冒犯我。
09:12
But it's one thing to know intellectually and quite another to feel it emotionally.
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但是理性分析是一回事, 感觉和情绪是另一回事。
09:17
Each time they ignore me, I feel invisible.
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每次我被人忽略,我感到被无视了。
09:19
I feel upset.
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我感到沮丧。
09:21
I want to tell them that I am just as human as the man,
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我想告诉他们我也是人,跟男人一样,
09:24
that I'm just as worthy of acknowledgment.
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我也理应被认可。
09:28
These are little things,
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这些都是小事,
09:29
but sometimes it's the little things that sting the most.
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但有时恰恰是小事最能刺痛你。
09:33
And not long ago, I wrote an article
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不久之前,我写了篇文章
09:34
about what it means to be young and female in Lagos,
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描述在拉各斯生活的年轻女性要面对什么,
09:38
and the printers told me,
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后来印刷商跟我说,
09:40
"It was so angry."
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“文章怒气满满啊。”
09:42
Of course it was angry!
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当然很有怒气了!
09:44
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:48
I am angry.
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我很生气。
09:50
Gender as it functions today is a grave injustice.
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性别在今天依然存在着严重的歧视。
09:53
We should all be angry.
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我们都应该感到愤怒。
09:55
Anger has a long history of bringing about positive change;
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历史上愤怒带来过很多积极的进步;
09:59
but, in addition to being angry, I'm also hopeful.
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但是在愤怒之外我还满怀希望。
10:02
Because I believe deeply in the ability of human beings
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因为我深深的相信人类有种能力
10:05
to make and remake themselves for the better.
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我们可以不断改变让自己更好。
10:08
Gender matters everywhere in the world,
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性别问题在全世界都存在,
10:10
but I want to focus on Nigeria
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但是我聚焦于尼日利亚,
10:13
and on Africa in general,
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以及整个非洲,
10:14
because it is where I know, and because it is where my heart is.
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这是我的故乡,我的心之所向。
10:18
And I would like today to ask
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今天我希望大家
10:20
that we begin to dream about and plan for a different world,
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能够开始梦想和筹划一个不一样的世界,
10:24
a fairer world,
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这个世界更加公平,
10:28
a world of happier men and happier women who are truer to themselves.
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这个世界男人和女人都更加开心和真实。
10:32
And this is how to start:
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我们要从这里开始改变:
10:33
we must raise our daughters differently.
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我们要改变教育我们女儿的方式。
10:36
We must also raise our sons differently.
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我们要改变教育我们儿子的方式。
10:39
We do a great disservice to boys on how we raise them;
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我们培养男孩的方式给他们 带来了极大的伤害:
10:43
we stifle the humanity of boys.
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我们抹掉了男孩子人性的那一面。
10:46
We define masculinity in a very narrow way,
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我们对男子气概的定义非常狭隘,
10:48
masculinity becomes this hard, small cage
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男子气概就像是一个坚硬狭小的牢笼,
10:52
and we put boys inside the cage.
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我们把男孩子塞了进去。
10:54
We teach boys to be afraid of fear.
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我们让男孩子不敢坦诚自己的害怕。
10:57
We teach boys to be afraid of weakness, of vulnerability.
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我们让男孩子不敢暴露自己的脆弱。
11:02
We teach them to mask their true selves,
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我们让男孩子藏起真实的自己,
11:04
because they have to be, in Nigerian speak, "hard man!"
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教他们必须成为尼日利亚人口中的“硬汉”。
11:10
In secondary school, a boy and a girl, both of them teenagers,
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在中学,相同年纪的男孩和女孩,
11:14
both of them with the same amount of pocket money, would go out
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口袋里有同样多的零花钱,
11:17
and then the boy would be expected always to pay,
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结伴出去玩的时候,男孩默认要付钱,
11:20
to prove his masculinity.
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这样才体现男子气概。
11:23
And yet we wonder why boys are more likely to steal money from their parents.
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与此同时我们还疑惑为什么男孩喜欢从家里偷钱。
11:29
What if both boys and girls were raised
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如果我们在养育男孩和女孩的时候
11:32
not to link masculinity with money?
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不把男子气概和钱挂钩会这样?
11:35
What if the attitude was not "the boy has to pay"
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如果我们把“男孩付钱”的风俗改成
11:38
but rather "whoever has more should pay?"
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“谁钱多谁付钱”那么会不会更好?
11:42
Now, of course because of that historical advantage,
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当然,由于历史积累的差异,
11:44
it is mostly men who will have more today,
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绝大部分情况下男人更有钱一些,
11:47
but if we start raising children differently,
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但是如果我们开始改变教育孩子的方式,
11:49
then in fifty years, in a hundred years,
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五十年后,一百年后,
11:52
boys will no longer have the pressure of having to prove this masculinity.
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那时男孩子将不再需要被迫证明自己的男子气概。
11:57
But by far the worst thing we do to males,
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但是我们对于男人做的最糟糕的事情,
12:00
by making them feel that they have to be hard,
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是让他们觉得自己必须要“硬”
12:02
is that we leave them with very fragile egos.
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却相反的让他们的内心非常脆弱。
12:06
The more "hard man" the man feels compelled to be,
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一个男人给我的“硬汉”感觉越强烈,
12:11
the weaker his ego is.
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他的内心就越脆弱。
12:14
And then we do a much greater disservice to girls
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我们教育女孩的方式给她们带来了极大的伤害,
12:17
because we raise them to cater to the fragile egos of men.
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因为我们教育她们去呵护男人的脆弱内心。
12:22
We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller,
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我们教育女孩子收敛,放低自己,
12:25
we say to girls,
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对女孩说,
12:27
"You can have ambition, but not too much."
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“有野心挺好的,但是不要太大。”
12:29
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:31
"You should aim to be successful, but not too successful,
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“你要努力成功,但是一点点就好,”
12:33
otherwise you would threaten the man."
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“不要威胁到男人的地位。”
12:36
If you are the breadwinner in your relationship with a man,
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如果你比你老公更能赚钱养家,
12:39
you have to pretend that you're not,
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你必须假装赚的没有老公多,
12:41
especially in public,
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尤其是公开场合,
12:43
otherwise you will emasculate him.
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不然会让你的男人看着不像男人。
12:46
But what if we question the premise itself?
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但是这个前提本身我们是否质疑过呢?
12:48
Why should a woman's success be a threat to a man?
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为什么一个女人事业有成就会威胁到男人了?
12:53
What if we decide to simply dispose of that word,
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为什么我们不能够直接弃用那个英语单词,
12:56
and I don't think there's an English word I dislike more than "emasculation."
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那个在英语里我最不喜欢的一个词: ”emasculation“(失去男子气概)
13:02
A Nigerian acquaintance once asked me
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一位尼日利亚的朋友问我
13:04
if I was worried that men would be intimidated by me.
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是否担心我会吓到男人。
13:08
I was not worried at all.
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我一点儿也不担心。
13:10
In fact, it had not occurred to me to be worried
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事实上也从未担心过
13:12
because a man who would be intimidated by me
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因为一个可能被我(的成功)吓到的人
13:14
is exactly the kind of man I would have no interest in.
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完全不会是我喜欢的男人类型。
13:17
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:18
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:25
But still I was really struck by this.
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但是这件事对我触动很大。
13:29
Because I'm female, I'm expected to aspire to marriage;
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因为我是女性,我被要求以婚姻为重。
13:33
I'm expected to make my life choices
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人们期待我每次的人生选择
13:35
always keeping in mind that marriage is the most important.
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都首先要考虑对婚姻可能的影响。
13:39
A marriage can be a good thing;
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婚姻可以是美好的;
13:41
it can be a source of joy and love and mutual support.
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婚姻可以带来快乐、爱和精神支持。
13:46
But why do we teach girls to aspire to marriage
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但是我们在培养女孩子的婚姻观的时候,
13:48
and we don't teach boys the same?
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我们有没有同样的教育男孩子婚姻观?
13:52
I know a woman who decided to sell her house
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我认识的一个女人卖掉了自己的房子
13:54
because she didn't want to intimidate a man who might marry her.
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因为她不希望让打算娶她的男人感到困扰。
13:59
I know an unmarried woman in Nigeria who, when she goes to conferences,
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我认识一位尼日利亚的女性,每次出去开会,
14:04
wears a wedding ring
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都要戴一枚戒指
14:05
because according to her,
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因为她说,
14:06
she wants the other participants in the conference to "give her respect."
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她希望其他参会人员“尊重她”。
14:11
I know young women who are under so much pressure
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我知道年轻女人的压力有多大
14:14
from family, from friends, even from work to get married,
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亲朋好友都逼着她结婚,
14:18
and they're pushed to make terrible choices.
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有些在这样的压力下做了糟糕的选择。
14:21
A woman at a certain age who is unmarried,
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一个女人到了一定年龄还没嫁出去,
14:23
our society teaches her to see it as a deep, personal failure.
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舆论会让她觉得这是极大的个人失败。
14:28
And a man at a certain age who is unmarried,
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一个男人到了一定年龄还没有结婚,
14:31
we just think he hasn't come around to making his pick.
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我们会说他仅仅是还没有遇到合适的。
14:34
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:36
It's easy for us to say,
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我们很容易这么说,
14:37
"Oh, but women can just say no to all of this."
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“哦,但是女人可以说不呀。”
14:40
But the reality is more difficult and more complex.
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但是现实要复杂和困难的多。
14:43
We're all social beings.
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我们都是社会的一份子。
14:44
We internalize ideas from our socialization.
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我们内在的想法来自我们所处的社会。
14:47
Even the language we use
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甚至我们谈论婚姻时
14:49
in talking about marriage and relationships illustrates this.
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我们的语言都会对我们有影响。
14:52
The language of marriage is often the language of ownership
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我们的语言描述婚姻更像是一种所有关系,
14:55
rather than the language of partnership.
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而不是一种对等的伙伴关系。
14:58
We use the word "respect"
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我们使用“尊重”一词
15:01
to mean something a woman shows a man
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来更多的描述女人对男人的态度
15:04
but often not something a man shows a woman.
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而不是男人对女人的态度。
15:07
Both men and women in Nigeria will say --
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尼日利亚的男人和女人都会说——
15:10
this is an expression I'm very amused by --
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这是我非常着迷的一个现象——
15:12
"I did it for peace in my marriage."
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“我做这个是为了维持这个家。”
15:16
Now, when men say it,
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当男人这么说的时候,
15:17
it is usually about something that they should not be doing anyway.
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通常是指那些他们本来就不应该做的事情。
15:21
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
15:22
Sometimes they say it to their friends,
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有时男人会跟朋友说,
15:25
it's something to say to their friends in a kind of fondly exasperated way,
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有时男人会对他的朋友用一种 深情又有点恼怒的口气,
15:29
you know, something that ultimately proves how masculine they are,
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你知道就是那种最能够体现 他们男子气概的方式
15:32
how needed, how loved.
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充满了爱和体贴。
15:34
"Oh, my wife said I can't go to the club every night,
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“哎呀,我妻子不让我每天晚上来俱乐部,”
15:36
so for peace in my marriage, I do it only on weekends."
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“所以为了这个家我只有周末来。”
15:39
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
15:41
Now, when a woman says, "I did it for peace in my marriage,"
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但是当一个女人说出同样这句 “我做这个是为了这个家”
15:45
she's usually talking about giving up a job,
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她说的是放弃一份工作,
15:49
a dream,
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放弃梦想,
15:50
a career.
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放弃事业。
15:52
We teach females that in relationships,
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我们教育妇女在为了维持婚姻,
15:55
compromise is what women do.
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妥协退让是女人的本分。
15:58
We raise girls to see each other as competitors --
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我们教育女孩们将对方视为竞争者——
16:01
not for jobs or for accomplishments, which I think can be a good thing,
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不是工作或成就上的竞争者, ——这种竞争我觉得很好,
16:04
but for attention of men.
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而是为了吸引男人而竞争。
16:07
We teach girls that they cannot be sexual beings
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我们告诉女孩子不能打扮太性感
16:10
in the way that boys are.
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而对男孩子就无所谓。
16:12
If we have sons, we don't mind knowing about our sons' girlfriends.
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如果我们的儿子有了女朋友,我们不会介意。
16:16
But our daughters' boyfriends? God forbid.
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但是女儿有了男朋友?绝对不行。
16:18
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
16:20
But of course when the time is right,
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当然等到了合适的时间,
16:22
we expect those girls to bring back the perfect man to be their husbands.
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我们期待这些女孩能带回来一个 完美的男人成为她的丈夫。
16:26
We police girls, we praise girls for virginity,
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我们约束女孩要求她们保持童贞。
16:29
but we don't praise boys for virginity,
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但是我们不要求男孩保持童贞。
16:31
and it's always made me wonder how exactly this is supposed to work out because ...
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这一直让我觉得很好奇 事情怎么能运转起来…
16:35
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
16:37
(Applause)
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(掌声)
16:45
I mean, the loss of virginity is usually a process that involves ...
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我的意思是,失去童真的过程 通常需要一男一女…
16:50
Recently a young woman was gang raped in a university in Nigeria,
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最近一名女孩在尼日利亚大学被轮奸,
16:54
I think some of us know about that.
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我想在做的各位可能听说了。
16:56
And the response of many young Nigerians, both male and female,
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很多尼日利亚人,包括男人和女人,
16:59
was something along the lines of this:
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他们的态度是这样的:
17:02
"Yes, rape is wrong.
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“没错,强奸犯法,”
17:04
But what is a girl doing in a room with four boys?"
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“但是一个女孩为什么要跟 四个男孩共处一室呢?”
17:08
Now, if we can forget the horrible inhumanity of that response,
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现在让我们先忽略掉这个反应的 冷血无情的部分,
17:13
these Nigerians have been raised to think of women as inherently guilty,
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这些尼日利亚人收到的教育 默认女人天生是有罪的,
17:19
and they have been raised to expect so little of men
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他们的教育也告诉他们
17:22
that the idea of men as savage beings without any control
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不要对男人的自控能力预期太高
17:26
is somehow acceptable.
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做出兽行也是能理解的。
17:28
We teach girls shame.
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我们教育女孩要知道羞耻。
17:30
"Close your legs." "Cover yourself."
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“腿夹紧。” “别穿那么暴露。”
17:33
We make them feel as though by being born female
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我们让女孩觉得生而为女人
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they're already guilty of something.
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天生就是有罪的。
17:37
And so, girls grow up to be women
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因此,女孩长大成女人
17:40
who cannot see they have desire.
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也对自己的渴望视而不见。
17:42
They grow up to be women who silence themselves.
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她们变成压抑自己的女人。
17:46
They grow up to be women who cannot say what they truly think,
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她们变成不能直抒己见的女人,
17:50
and they grow up --
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她们长大后——
17:51
and this is the worst thing we did to girls --
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这是我们对女孩做的最糟糕的事情——
17:53
they grow up to be women who have turned pretense into an art form.
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她们长大之后把这种假装当作一种艺术。
17:58
(Applause)
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(掌声)
18:04
I know a woman who hates domestic work,
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我知道一个女人,厌恶做家务,
18:07
she just hates it,
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不喜欢做家务,
18:09
but she pretends that she likes it,
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但是她假装自己很喜欢,
18:12
because she's been taught that to be "good wife material"
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因为她觉得这是“好妻子必备素质”
18:16
she has to be -- to use that Nigerian word --
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她不得不表现的——用尼日利亚的话说——
18:18
very "homely."
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非常“居家”。
18:21
And then she got married,
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等她结婚了,
18:22
and after a while her husband's family began to complain that she had changed.
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没过多久她的婆家开始抱怨她变了。
18:26
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
18:28
Actually, she had not changed,
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实际上她没变,
18:29
she just got tired of pretending.
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她就是不想再装了。
18:32
The problem with gender,
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性别问题,
18:35
is that it prescribes how we should be
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在于它规定了我们应该是什么样子,
18:38
rather than recognizing how we are.
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而不能发现我们为什么是现在这个样子。
18:41
Now imagine how much happier we would be,
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现在想想一下如果我们放下
18:43
how much freer to be our true individual selves,
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性别形象带来的负担,我们将会多么的快乐,
18:47
if we didn't have the weight of gender expectations.
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多么的自由,释放真正的自我。
18:51
Boys and girls are undeniably different biologically,
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男性和女性在生理结构上 毫无疑问是有差异的,
18:55
but socialization exaggerates the differences
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但是社会结构夸大了这种差异,
18:58
and then it becomes a self-fulfilling process.
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并使得这种差异被累积和加深。
19:01
Now, take cooking for example.
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现在,以做饭为例。
19:04
Today women in general are more likely to do the housework than men,
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在今天女人一般比男人要多做家务,
19:07
the cooking and cleaning.
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例如做饭和打扫。
19:08
But why is that?
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但是为什么呢?
19:10
Is it because women are born with a cooking gene?
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难道女人有做饭基因?
19:13
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
19:14
Or because over years they have been socialized to see cooking as their role?
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还是说是社会观念觉得 做饭是女性应该做的?
19:19
Actually, I was going to say that maybe women are born with a cooking gene,
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实际上我一度觉得女人确实有烹饪的基因,
19:22
until I remember that the majority of the famous cooks in the world,
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直到我意识到这个世界上有名的厨子,
19:26
whom we give the fancy title of "chefs,"
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那些我们冠以“大厨”头衔的人,
19:28
are men.
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都是男人。
19:30
I used to look up to my grandmother
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我时常回忆起我的外婆
19:32
who was a brilliant, brilliant woman,
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一位非常睿智的女人,
19:34
and wonder how she would have been
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我很好奇如果她在成长过程中
19:36
if she had the same opportunities as men when she was growing up.
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有跟男孩同样的机会, 会达到什么成就。
19:40
Now today, there are many more opportunities for women
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今天的女人有了很多机会
19:43
than there were during my grandmother's time
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是我外婆那一辈所没有的
19:45
because of changes in policy, changes in law,
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这得益于国家政策以及法律的改变,
19:48
all of which are very important.
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每一项改变都非常重要。
19:49
But what matters even more is our attitude, our mindset,
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但是更重要的改变是我们的 态度和思维模式,
19:54
what we believe and what we value about gender.
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在性别问题上我们的信念和价值观。
19:57
What if in raising children
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如果我们关注能力而不是性别
20:00
we focus on ability instead of gender?
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我们抚养孩子会有怎样的不同?
20:03
What if in raising children we focus on interest instead of gender?
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如果我们关注于兴趣而不是性别呢?
20:08
I know a family who have a son and a daughter,
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我认识一家人,有一儿一女,
20:11
both of whom are brilliant at school,
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儿女在学校表现都很好,
20:12
who are wonderful, lovely children.
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都是讨人喜欢的孩子。
20:14
When the boy is hungry, the parents say to the girl,
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当儿子饿了的时候, 父母会对女儿说,
20:17
"Go and cook Indomie noodles for your brother."
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“去给你哥哥煮碗面条。”
20:19
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
20:20
Now, the daughter doesn't particularly like to cook Indomie noodles,
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小女孩并不喜欢煮面条,
20:24
but she's a girl, and so she has to.
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但是她是女孩,她不得不去做。
20:27
Now, what if the parents,
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现在,如果这对父母,
20:29
from the beginning,
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从一开始,
20:30
taught both the boy and the girl to cook Indomie?
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就让男孩女孩都去煮面条?
20:35
Cooking, by the way, is a very useful skill for boys to have.
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顺带一提做饭对于男孩也是非常重要的技能。
20:38
I've never thought it made sense to leave such a crucial thing,
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我从未想过将喂饱自己这样重要的能力
20:43
the ability to nourish oneself --
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交由他人之手
20:45
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
20:46
in the hands of others.
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有什么意义。
20:48
(Applause)
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(掌声)
20:53
I know a woman who has the same degree and the same job as her husband.
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我认识一个女人跟她的丈夫 有同样的学历和工作,
20:57
When they get back from work, she does most of the housework,
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下班回到家之后,是妻子承担了 绝大部分的家务,
21:00
which I think is true for many marriages.
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我想大部分婚姻里都是如此。
21:02
But what struck me about them
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但是真正让我震惊的,
21:04
was that whenever her husband changed the baby's diaper,
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是每当她的丈夫给孩子换尿布的时候,
21:07
she said "thank you" to him.
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妻子都要对丈夫说“谢谢你。”
21:10
Now, what if she saw this as perfectly normal and natural
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现在,如果她觉得一切都是顺理成章的呢?
21:15
that he should, in fact, care for his child?
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丈夫本来就需要照顾自己的孩子不是么?
21:18
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
21:21
I'm trying to unlearn many of the lessons of gender
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我一直尝试摆脱我在成长过程中内化的
21:25
that I internalized when I was growing up.
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那些对性别的要求和预期。
21:27
But I sometimes still feel very vulnerable in the face of gender expectations.
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但是有时候我依然觉得面对 性别预期时非常的脆弱。
21:32
The first time I taught a writing class in graduate school,
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当我第一次在一所中学教写作的时候,
21:36
I was worried.
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我很担心。
21:37
I wasn't worried about the material I would teach
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我不担心教学内容
21:39
because I was well-prepared,
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因为我准备的很充分
21:41
and I was going to teach what I enjoy teaching.
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而且我要教的正好也是我非常喜欢的。
21:43
Instead, I was worried about what to wear.
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我担心的是我要穿什么衣服。
21:46
I wanted to be taken seriously.
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我希望被严肃地对待。
21:49
I knew that because I was female
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我知道仅仅因为我是女性,
21:50
I will automatically have to prove my worth.
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我就自然的需要证明自己的价值。
21:55
And I was worried that if I looked too feminine,
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同时我担心如果我穿得太女性化,
21:57
I would not be taken seriously.
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我会被人轻视。
21:59
I really wanted to wear my shiny lip gloss and my girly skirt,
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我真的很想涂闪闪的唇彩, 穿很女人的衬衫,
22:03
but I decided not to.
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但是我决定算了。
22:05
Instead, I wore a very serious,
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相反的我穿了一件非常正式的
22:07
very manly and very ugly suit.
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男性化的丑陋的西服。
22:10
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
22:11
Because the sad truth is that when it comes to appearance
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因为可悲的真相是涉及到衣着时,
22:14
we start off with men as the standard, as the norm.
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我们将男人视为标准和典范。
22:17
If a man is getting ready for a business meeting,
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如果一个男人准备好参加工作会议,
22:20
he doesn't worry about looking too masculine
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他不需要担心穿着上是否够男子气
22:22
and therefore not being taken for granted.
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因为别人本来就认可他。
22:24
If a woman has to get ready for business meeting,
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当一个女人准备好参加工作会议,
22:27
she has to worry about looking too feminine
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她需要担心是否穿得太女性化
22:30
and what it says and whether or not she will be taken seriously.
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需要担心别人是否因此轻视她。
22:35
I wish I had not worn that ugly suit that day.
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我希望我那天并没有穿那件丑陋的西服。
22:39
I've actually banished it from my closet, by the way.
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顺带一提我已经扔掉了那件西服。
22:42
Had I then the confidence that I have now to be myself,
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当年缺乏的自信,现在我已经有了,
22:47
my students would have benefited even more from my teaching,
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我的学生可以从我这里学到更多,
22:50
because I would have been more comfortable
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因为我(在课堂上)更加的舒适放松
22:52
and more fully and more truly myself.
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展现更加真实和完整的自我。
22:55
I have chosen to no longer be apologetic for my femaleness
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我选择不再因为我的女性化
22:59
and for my femininity.
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和女权主张而不安。
23:01
(Applause)
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(掌声)
23:07
And I want to be respected in all of my femaleness
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而且我希望的是我的所有 女性特点都被尊重,
23:10
because I deserve to be.
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因为我值得被尊重。
23:13
Gender is not an easy conversation to have.
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性别问题谈论起来并不容易。
23:16
For both men and women,
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无论男人还是女人,
23:18
to bring up gender is sometimes to encounter almost immediate resistance.
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挑起性别话题有时候会遇到 条件反射式的反弹。
23:22
I can imagine some people here are actually thinking,
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我能想象有些人实际上的想法是,
23:25
"Women too do sef."
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“女人也是自私的。”
23:29
Some of the men here might be thinking,
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在座的某些男性可能会想,
23:31
"OK, all of this is interesting,
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“好吧,听起来很有道理,”
23:33
but I don't think like that."
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“但是我不这么看。”
23:35
And that is part of the problem.
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这是部分问题所在。
23:38
That many men do not actively think about gender
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很多男人并没有主动的察觉到性别
23:41
or notice gender
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或者意识到性别
23:42
is part of the problem of gender.
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是性别问题的一部分。
23:44
That many men, say, like my friend Louis,
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很多男人,例如我的朋友Louis,
23:47
that everything is fine now.
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觉得现在一切都很完美。
23:49
And that many men do nothing to change it.
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这使得很多男人对改变现状没有任何贡献。
23:52
If you are a man and you walk into a restaurant with a woman
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如果你是一个男人,带着一个女人, 走进一家餐馆,
23:55
and the waiter greets only you,
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如果服务生只跟你打招呼,
23:58
does it occur to you to ask the waiter,
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你有没有问过服务生,
24:00
"Why haven't you greeted her?"
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“为什么你不向她问好?”
24:05
Because gender can be --
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因为性别可以——
24:06
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
24:16
Actually, we may repose part of a longer version of this talk.
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实际上我们如果有时间可以 继续扩展一下这段对话。
24:21
So, because gender can be a very uncomfortable conversation to have,
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因为性别问题谈论起来非常叫人不舒服,
24:24
there are very easy ways to close it, to close the conversation.
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所以很容易话题就被中断了。
24:27
So some people will bring up evolutionary biology and apes,
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有些人可能会提到演化论和猿人,
24:32
how, you know, female apes bow down to male apes
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讲起女猿人如何顺从男猿人
24:35
and that sort of thing.
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以及如此种种。
24:37
But the point is we're not apes.
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但问题是我们不是猴子。
24:39
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
24:41
(Applause)
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(掌声)
24:45
Apes also live on trees and have earthworms for breakfast,
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猿人长在树上,吃蚯蚓当早饭,
24:50
and we don't.
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我们不是。
24:53
Some people will say, "Well, poor men also have a hard time."
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有人会反驳说,“穷男人也很艰难。”
24:57
And this is true.
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话是不假。
24:59
But that is not what this --
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但是毫不相干——
25:01
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
25:02
But this is not what this conversation is about.
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这跟我们谈论的性别问题完全无关。
25:06
Gender and class are different forms of oppression.
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性别和社会等级是不同的被压抑的问题。
25:10
I actually learned quite a bit about systems of oppression
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我实际上从过跟一个黑人男性的聊天
25:13
and how they can be blind to one another
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发现了不同的被压抑的问题之间
25:16
by talking to black men.
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是完全无视对方存在的。
25:19
I was once talking to a black man about gender
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我曾经跟一个黑人男性聊起来性别问题
25:22
and he said to me,
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他跟我说,
25:23
"Why do you have to say 'my experience as a woman'?
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“为什么你们要谈论‘我做为女人的经历’?”
25:27
Why can't it be
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“为什么不去说”
25:28
'your experience as a human being'?"
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“‘你做为人的经验’?”
25:31
Now, this was the same man
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但是呢,同样这个男人
25:32
who would often talk about his experience as a black man.
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却经常那自己的黑人身份说事儿。
25:39
Gender matters.
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性别很重要。
25:40
Men and women experience the world differently.
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男人女人对世界的认知是不同的。
25:42
Gender colors the way we experience the world.
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性别让我们带着有色眼镜去看世界。
25:45
But we can change that.
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但是我们可以改变。
25:48
Some people will say,
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有人会说,
25:50
"Oh, but women have the real power,
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“嗯,但是女人有实际的权利,”
25:52
bottom power."
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“屁股力量(bottom power)。”
25:54
And for non-Nigerians, bottom power is an expression
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我来解释一下,屁股力量表的思是
25:57
which I suppose means something like a woman
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类似一个女人利用她的性魅力
25:59
who uses her sexuality to get favors from men.
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吸引并影响一个男人的能力。
26:03
But bottom power is not power at all.
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但是屁股力量根本不是什么力量。
26:08
Bottom power means that a woman
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屁股力量意味着一个女人
26:11
simply has a good root to tap into, from time to time --
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只是有很好的能力—— 一次又一次地——
26:13
somebody else's power.
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借助别人的力量。
26:16
And then, of course, we have to wonder
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然后,我们理所当然的担心
26:18
what happens when that somebody else is in a bad mood,
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如果借助力量的那个人脾气很糟,
26:21
or sick
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或者生病了,
26:22
or impotent.
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或者是无能的。
26:24
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
26:27
Some people will say that a woman being subordinate to a man is our culture.
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有人说女人屈服于男人是我们的文化。
26:34
But culture is constantly changing.
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但是文化是在不断变化的。
26:36
I have beautiful twin nieces who are fifteen and live in Lagos.
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我有两个美丽的侄女, 生活在拉各斯,刚满15岁。
26:41
If they had been born a hundred years ago
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如果她俩出生在一百年之前
26:43
they would have been taken away and killed.
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她们会被丢弃并杀死。
26:45
Because it was our culture, it was our culture to kill twins.
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因为过去我们的文化是要杀掉双胞胎的。
26:50
So what is the point of culture?
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所以文化的点在哪里?
26:53
I mean there's the decorative,
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我的意思是文化包含了建筑装饰,
26:54
the dancing ...
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舞蹈等等
26:56
but also, culture really is about preservation and continuity of a people.
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但是同时,文化真实的意思是 对人的保护和传承
27:01
In my family,
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在我家,
27:02
I am the child who is most interested in the story of who we are,
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我是对于家族的历史,我们的文化传统,
27:05
in our traditions,
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以及我们先辈土地上的故事,
27:06
in the knowledge about ancestral lands.
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最感兴趣的一个。
27:09
My brothers are not as interested as I am.
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我的兄弟没有我这么有兴趣。
27:11
But I cannot participate,
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但是我不能参加氏族会议,
27:14
I cannot go to umunna meetings,
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我没法旁听,
27:16
I cannot have a say.
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我也无权发言。
27:17
Because I'm female.
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因为我是女性。
27:19
Culture does not make people,
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文化不会塑造人,
27:22
people make culture.
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人创造文化。
27:24
So if it is in fact true --
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如果这是真的——
27:26
(Applause)
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(掌声)
27:30
So if it is in fact true
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如果我们的文化中
27:31
that the full humanity of women is not our culture,
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真的没有把女性当作完整的人来看待,
27:34
then we must make it our culture.
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那么我们需要创造这样的文化。
27:37
I think very often of my dear friend, Okoloma Maduewesi.
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我时常想起我的朋友, Okoloma Maduewesi。
27:43
May he and all the others who passed away in that Sosoliso crash
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希望他和其他所有在 Sosoliso 空难中逝去的人
27:47
continue to rest in peace.
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能够安息。
27:50
He will always be remembered by those of us who loved him.
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他将被爱他的人永远铭记。
27:54
And he was right that day many years ago when he called me a feminist.
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是他第一次叫我女权主义者, 而且他说的没错。
27:59
I am a feminist.
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我就是一个女权主义者。
28:01
And when I looked up the word in the dictionary that day,
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那天我打开字典查阅这个词,
28:03
this is what it said:
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字典里这么写道:
28:05
"Feminist: a person who believes in the social, political
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“女权主义者:一个相信在性别上,社会地位、”
28:08
and economic equality of the sexes."
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“政治地位、经济地位平等的人。”
28:12
My great grandmother, from the stories I've heard,
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我的曾外婆,从我听到的故事里,
28:15
was a feminist.
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她是是女权主义者。
28:16
She ran away from the house of the man she did not want to marry
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她因为不想跟不喜欢的男人结婚而出走,
28:20
and ended up marrying the man of her choice.
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并最终跟自己爱的男人结婚。
28:22
She refused, she protested, she spoke up
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她抗拒,她斗争,她直言不讳
28:25
whenever she felt she was being deprived of access, of land, that sort of thing.
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每当她觉得自己的权利被剥夺时都是如此。
28:31
My great grandmother did not know that word "feminist,"
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我的曾外婆那时候不知道“女权主义者”这个词。
28:34
but it doesn't mean that she wasn't one.
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但是她确实是女权主义者。
28:37
More of us should reclaim that word.
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我们应该更多的把这个词汇用起来。
28:41
My own definition of feminist is:
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我对女权主义的定义是:
28:45
"A feminist is a man or a woman
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“女权主义者是一个男人或女人,
28:47
who says --
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主张——
28:49
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
28:52
(Applause)
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(掌声)
28:58
A feminist is a man or a woman who says,
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“女权主义者是一个男人或女人,主张
29:01
"Yes, there's a problem with gender as it is today,
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“是的,当今社会性别问题依然存在
29:05
and we must fix it.
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而且我们要修复它。
29:06
We must do better."
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我们可以做得更好。”
29:09
The best feminist I know
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我知道的最优秀的女权主义者
29:11
is my brother Kene.
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是我的哥哥Kene。
29:14
He's also a kind, good-looking, lovely man,
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他是一个和善、英俊、可爱的男人,
29:18
and he's very masculine.
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而且他非常有男子气概。
29:21
Thank you.
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谢谢。
29:22
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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