Eve Ensler: Security and insecurity

Prevodilac: Jana Kobal Lektor: Ivana Korom

I think it'll be a relief to some people and a disappointment to others

Mislim da će nekim ljudima biti lakše, a neki će se razočarati

that I'm not going to talk about vaginas today.

što danas neću govoriti o vaginama.

I began "The Vagina Monologues" because I was worried about vaginas.

Počela sam rad na "Vagininim monolozima" jer sam bila zabrinuta za vagine.

I'm very worried today about this notion, this world,

Danas sam zabrinuta zbog tog utiska, ovog sveta,

this prevailing kind of force of security.

te preovlađujuće sile sigurnosti.

I see this word, hear this word, feel this word everywhere.

Vidim tu reč, čujem je, osećam je svuda.

Real security, security checks, security watch, security clearance.

Stvarna sigurnost, sigurnosne provere, sigurnosni nadzor, sigurnosna dozvola.

Why has all this focus on security made me feel so much more insecure?

Zašto me je to fokusiranje na sigurnost učinilo još nesigurnijom?

What does anyone mean when they talk about real security?

Šta čovek podrazumeva pod stvarnom sigurnošću?

And why have we, as Americans particularly,

I zašto smo, prvenstveno mi Amerikanci,

become a nation that strives for security above all else?

postali nacija koja teži ka sigurnosti više nego bilo čemu drugom?

In fact, I think that security is elusive. It's impossible.

Zapravo, mislim da je sigurnost nedostižna. Nemoguća je.

We all die. We all get old. We all get sick. People leave us.

Svi umiremo. Svi starimo. Svi se razboljevamo. Ljudi nas napuštaju.

People change us. Nothing is secure.

Ljudi nas menjaju. Ništa nije sigurno.

And that's actually the good news.

I to je, zapravo, dobra vest.

This is, of course, unless your whole life is about being secure.

Naravno, jedino ako se čitav vaš život ne svodi samo na sigurnost.

I think that when that is the focus of your life,

Kada je to fokus vašeg života,

these are the things that happen.

dešavaju se sledeće stvari.

You can't travel very far or venture too far outside a certain circle.

Ne možete putovati vpredaleko ili se usuditi na izlazak van određenog kruga.

You can't allow too many conflicting ideas into your mind at one time,

Ne možete pustiti u svoj um previše suprotstavljenih ideja u istom trenutku,

as they might confuse you or challenge you.

jer bi mogle da vas zbune ili vas izazovu.

You can't open yourself to new experiences, new people,

Ne možete se otvoriti novim iskustvima, novim ljudima,

new ways of doing things -- they might take you off course.

novim načinima obavljanju stvari jer vas mogu skrenuti sa kursa.

You can't not know who you are, so you cling to hard-matter identity.

Ne možete ne znati ko ste, pa se vezujete za određeni identitet.

You become a Christian, Muslim, Jew.

Postajete hrišćanin, musliman, jevrejin.

You're an Indian, Egyptian, Italian, American.

Indijac ste, Egipćanin, Italijan, Amerikanac.

You're a heterosexual or a homosexual, or you never have sex.

Heteroseksualni ste ili homoseksualni, ili nikada niste imali seks.

Or at least, that's what you say when you identify yourself.

Ili barem to kažete kad se identifikujete.

You become part of an "us."

Postajete deo "nas".

In order to be secure, you defend against "them."

Da biste bili sigurni, branite se protiv "njih".

You cling to your land because it is your secure place.

Vezujete se za svoju zemlju jer je to sigurno mesto.

You must fight anyone who encroaches upon it.

Morate se boriti protiv svakoga ko pokuša prodreti.

You become your nation. You become your religion.

Postajete svoja nacija. Postajete svoja religija.

You become whatever it is that will freeze you, numb you

Postajete sve što će vas zalediti, ukočiti

and protect you from doubt or change.

i zaštiti vas od sumnje ili promene.

But all this does, actually, is shut down your mind.

Međutim, jedino što se događa je gašenje vašeg uma.

In reality, it does not really make you safer.

U stvarnosti vas to ne čini sigurnijim.

I was in Sri Lanka, for example, three days after the tsunami,

Primera radi, bila sam na Šri Lanci, tri dana nakon cunamija,

and I was standing on the beaches

i stajala sam na plaži

and it was absolutely clear that, in a matter of five minutes,

i bilo je sasvim jasno da bi u roku od pet minuta

a 30-foot wave could rise up

talas visok 30 stopa mogao da naiđe

and desecrate a people, a population and lives.

i uništi ljude, populaciju i živote.

All this striving for security, in fact,

Sva ta težnja ka sigurnosti nas je, zapravo,

has made you much more insecure

učinila znatno nesigurnijima.

because now you have to watch out all the time.

zato što sad morate biti na oprezu sve vreme.

There are people not like you -- people who you now call enemies.

Postoje ljudi koji vam nisu slični - ljudi koje zovete neprijateljima.

You have places you cannot go, thoughts you cannot think,

Postoje mesta na koja ne možete otići, misli o kojima ne smete da mislite,

worlds that you can no longer inhabit.

svetovi koje više ne možete da nastanjujete.

And so you spend your days fighting things off, defending your territory

Tako provodite dane odbijajući stvari, braneći svoju teritoriju

and becoming more entrenched in your fundamental thinking.

i sve više se utvrđujete u svojoj osnovnoj misli.

Your days become devoted to protecting yourself.

Dane posvećujete sopstvenoj zaštiti.

This becomes your mission. That is all you do.

To postaje vaša misija. To je sve što radite.

Ideas get shorter. They become sound bytes.

Sve je manje ideja. One postaju zvučni fragmenti.

There are evildoers and saints, criminals and victims.

Postoje zločinci i sveci, kriminalci i žrtve.

There are those who, if they're not with us, are against us.

Postoje oni koji, ako nisu sa nama, protiv nas su.

It gets easier to hurt people because you do not feel what's inside them.

Lakše je povrediti ljude jer ne osećate šta se krije u njima.

It gets easier to lock them up, force them to be naked, humiliate them,

Lakše ih je zatvoriti, prisliti na golotinju, poniziti ih,

occupy them, invade them and kill them,

okupirati, napasti i ubiti,

because they are only obstacles now to your security.

jer su oni sad samo prepreka našoj sigurnosti.

In six years, I've had the extraordinary privilege through V-Day,

Za šest godina imala sam izuzetnu privilegiju putem V- dana,

a global movement against [violence against] women,

globalnog pokreta protiv nasilja nad ženama,

to travel probably to 60 countries,

da putujem u oko 60 zemalja,

and spend a great deal of time in different portions.

i provedem dosta vremena u različitim delovima sveta.

I've met women and men all over this planet,

Upoznala sam žene i muškarce širom planete,

who through various circumstances --

koji usled raznih okolnosti kao što su

war, poverty, racism, multiple forms of violence --

rat, siromaštvo, rasizam, razni oblici nasilja

have never known security,

nikada nisu upoznali sigurnost

or have had their illusion of security forever devastated.

ili je njihova iluzija sigurnosti zauvek uništena.

I've spent time with women in Afghanistan under the Taliban,

Provela sam vreme sa ženama u Afganistanu pod Talibanima,

who were essentially brutalized and censored.

nad kojima je izvršeno nasilje i osuda.

I've been in Bosnian refugee camps.

Bila sam u izbegličkim kampovima u Bosni.

I was with women in Pakistan

Bila sam sa ženama u Pakistanu

who have had their faces melted off with acid.

kojima su lica istopljena kiselinom.

I've been with girls all across America who were date-raped,

Bila sam sa devojkama širom Amerike koje su silovane na sastanku,

or raped by their best friends when they were drugged one night.

ili su ih silovali najbolji drugovi dok su jedne noći bile drogirane.

One of the amazing things that I've discovered in my travels

Jedna od neverovatnih stvari koje sam otkrila na svojim putovanjima

is that there is this emerging species.

je da nastaju nove vrste.

I loved when he was talking about this other world that's right next to this world.

Uživala sam kad je govorio o tom drugom svetu pored ovog sveta.

I've discovered these people, who, in V-Day world,

Otkrila sam te ljude, koji, u svetu V-dana,

we call Vagina Warriors.

mi zovemo "vagininim ratnicima".

These particular people, rather than getting AK-47s,

Ti posebni ljudi su, umesto da nabave AK-47,

or weapons of mass destruction, or machetes,

ili oružje za masovno uništenje ili mačete,

in the spirit of the warrior, have gone into the center, the heart of pain, of loss.

u duhu ratnika, otišli u središte, u srce bola, gubitka.

They have grieved it, they have died into it,

Tugovali su, umirali,

and allowed and encouraged poison to turn into medicine.

i dozvolili i podstakli otrove da se pretvore u lek.

They have used the fuel of their pain to begin to redirect that energy

Iskoristili su gorivo svog bola da bi preusmerili tu energiju

towards another mission and another trajectory.

ka drugoj misiji i drugoj putanji.

These warriors now devote themselves and their lives

Ti se ratnici sad posvećuju sebi i svojim životima

to making sure what happened to them doesn't happen to anyone else.

da bi se osigurali da se ono što se njima desilo ne desi nikome drugom.

There are thousands if not millions of them on the planet.

Njih je hiljade ako ne i milione na planeti.

I venture there are many in this room.

Usuđujem se da kažem da ih je mnogo i u ovoj prostoriji.

They have a fierceness and a freedom

Oni poseduju snagu i slobodu

that I believe is the bedrock of a new paradigm.

za koju verujem da su temelji nove paradigme.

They have broken out of the existing frame of victim and perpetrator.

Probili su postojeći okvir žrtve i počinioca.

Their own personal security is not their end goal,

Njihova lična sigurnost im nije krajnji cilj,

and because of that, because, rather than worrying about security,

i zbog toga, umesto da brinu o sigurnosti,

because the transformation of suffering is their end goal,

njihov krajnji cilj je transformacija patnje

I actually believe they are creating real safety

i zaista verujem da oni tako stvaraju pravu sigurnost

and a whole new idea of security.

i sasvim novu ideju sigurnosti.

I want to talk about a few of these people that I've met.

Želela bih da vam ispričam o nekolicini tih ljudi koje sam upoznala.

Tomorrow, I am going to Cairo,

Sutra putujem u Kairo

and I'm so moved that I will be with women in Cairo

i uzbuđena sam što ću biti sa ženama u Kairu

who are V-Day women, who are opening the first safe house

koje su žene V-dana, koje otvaraju prvu sigurnu kuću

for battered women in the Middle East.

za zlostavljane žene na Bliskom istoku.

That will happen because women in Cairo made a decision to stand up

To će se desiti jer su žene u Kairu odlučile da se pobune

and put themselves on the line,

i izlože se opasnosti,

and talk about the degree of violence that is happening in Egypt,

progovore o stepenu nasilja koje se dešava u Egiptu,

and were willing to be attacked and criticized.

i spremne su za napade i kritike.

And through their work over the last years,

Njihov rad tokom proteklih godina,

this is not only happening that this house is opening,

nije doprineo samo otvaranju te kuće,

but it's being supported by many factions of the society

već su ga podržale i mnoge frakcije u društvu

who never would have supported it.

koje je inače nikada ne bi podržale.

Women in Uganda this year,

Ove godine su žene u Ugandi,

who put on "The Vagina Monologues" during V-Day,

koje su odglumile "Vaginine monologe" tokom V-dana,

actually evoked the wrath of the government.

razbesnele vladu.

And, I love this story so much.

I mnogo volim ovu priču.

There was a cabinet meeting and a meeting of the presidents

Održan je sastanak kabineta i predsednika

to talk about whether "Vaginas" could come to Uganda.

da bi se razgovaralo o tome da li su "Vagine" prihvatiljive za Ugandu.

And in this meeting -- it went on for weeks in the press,

I na tom sastanku - nedeljama se o tome pisalo u štampi,

two weeks where there was huge discussion.

dve nedelje se vodila velika diskusija.

The government finally made a decision

Vlada je na kraju donela odluku

that "The Vagina Monologues" could not be performed in Uganda.

da se "Vaginini monolozi" ne smeju izvoditi u Ugandi.

But the amazing news was that because they had stood up, these women,

Međutim, neverovatna vest je što je upravo zbog žena koje su pobunile,

and because they had been willing to risk their security,

i zbog toga što su bile spremne da rizikuju svoju sigurnost,

it began a discussion that not only happened in Uganda,

započeta diskusija ne samo u Ugandi,

but all of Africa.

već u čitavoj Africi.

As a result, this production, which had already sold out,

Posledica toga je ta produkcija, koja je već bila rasprodata,

every single person in that 800-seat audience, except for 10 people,

i da je svih 800 gledalaca, izuzev desetoro ljudi,

made a decision to keep the money.

odlučilo da zadrži novac.

They raised 10,000 dollars on a production that never occurred.

Sakupili su 10.000 dolara za produkciju koja se nikada nije desila.

There's a young woman named Carrie Rethlefsen in Minnesota.

U Minesoti postoji devojka po imenu Keri Retlefsen.

She's a high school student.

Učenica je u srednjoj školi.

She had seen "The Vagina Monologues" and she was really moved. And as a result,

Gledala je "Vaginine monologe" i bila dirnuta njima. Zato je

she wore an "I heart my vagina" button to her high school in Minnesota.

počela da u školu nosi bedž sa natpisom "Ja volim svoju vaginu".

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

She was basically threatened to be expelled from school.

Zapretili su joj da će je izbaciti iz škole.

They told her she couldn't love her vagina in high school,

Rekli su joj da ne može da voli vaginu u školi,

that it was not a legal thing, that it was not a moral thing,

da to nije legalno, da nije moralno,

that it was not a good thing.

da nije dobro.

So she really struggled with this, what to do,

Mučila se sa tim, šta da radi,

because she was a senior and she was doing well in her school

jer je bila na završnoj godini i bila je odličan đak u školi

and she was threatened expulsion. So what she did is she got all her friends together --

a pretilo joj je izbacivanje. I šta je uradila - sakupila je sve svoje prijatelje,

I believe it was 100, 150 students

mislim da ih je bilo 100, 150 učenika,

all wore "I love my vagina" T-shirts,

svi su nosili u školu majice sa "Ja volim moj svoju vaginu",

and the boys wore "I love her vagina" T-shirts to school.

a dečaci su nosili majice "Ja volim njenu vaginu".

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Now this seems like a fairly, you know, frivolous,

Sada se to čini neozbiljnim,

but what happened as a result of that, is that that school now

ali posledica toga je da škola sada

is forming a sex education class. It's beginning to talk about sex,

drži časove seksualnog vaspitanja. Počinje da se govori o seksu,

it's beginning to look at why it would be wrong

obraća se pažnja na to zašto bi bilo pogrešno

for a young high school girl to talk about her vagina publicly

da jedna srednjoškolka govori javno o svojoj vagini

or to say that she loved her vagina publicly.

ili da javno kaže da voli svoju vaginu.

I know I've talked about Agnes here before,

Znam da sam i ranije ovde pričala o Agnes,

but I want to give you an update on Agnes.

ali želim da vam dam nove informacije o njoj.

I met Agnes three years ago in the Rift Valley.

Agnes sam upoznala pre tri godine u provinciji Rasedna dolina.

When she was a young girl, she had been mutilated against her will.

Kada je bila devojčica osakatili su je protiv njene volje.

That mutilation of her clitoris

Sakaćenje njenog klitorisa

had actually obviously impacted her life

je upečatljivo uticalo na njen život

and changed it in a way that was devastating.

i promenilo ga na poražavajući način.

She made a decision not to go and get a razor or a glass shard,

Odlučila je da ne uzme žilet ili komadić stakla,

but to devote her life to stopping that happening to other girls.

već da svoj život posveti sprečavanju da se ista stvar desi i drugim devojčicama.

For eight years, she walked through the Rift Valley.

Osam godina je išla kroz Rasednu dolinu.

She had this amazing box that she carried and it had a

Sa sobom je nosila tu neobičnu kutiju u kojoj je bio

torso of a woman's body in it, a half a torso,

torzo ženskog tela i polovina torza,

and she would teach people, everywhere she went,

i svuda gde je išla podučavala je ljude,

what a healthy vagina looked like and what a mutilated vagina looked like.

kako izgleda zdrava vagina, a kako osakaćena.

In the years that she walked, she educated parents, mothers, fathers.

U tim godinama je obrazovala roditelje, majke, očeve.

She saved 1,500 girls from being cut.

Spasila je 1.500 devojčica od sakaćenja.

When V-Day met her, we asked her how we could support her

Kada ju je sreo V-Dan, pitali smo je kako bismo mogli da je podržimo

and she said, "Well, if you got me a Jeep,

a ona je rekla: "Pa, ako mi nabavite džip,

I could get around a lot faster." So, we bought her a Jeep.

mogla bih da putujem znatno brže." Tako smo joj kupili džip.

In the year she had the Jeep, she saved 4,500 girls from being cut.

U godini kada je imala džip, spasila je 4.500 devojčica od sakaćenja.

So, we said, what else could we do?

Zatim smo je pitali šta još možemo da uradimo?

She said, "If you help me get money, I could open a house."

Rekla nam je: "Ako mi pomognete da nabavim novac, mogla bih da otvorim sigurnu kuću."

Three years ago, Agnes opened a safe house in Africa to stop mutilation.

Pre tri godine, Agnes je otvorila sigurnu kuću u Africi da bi sprečila sakaćenje.

When she began her mission eight years ago, she was reviled,

Kada je započela svoju misiju pre osam godina, grdili su je,

she was detested, she was completely slandered in her community.

prezirali, klevetali u njenoj opštini.

I am proud to tell you that six months ago,

S ponosom vam mogu reći da je pre šest meseci

she was elected the deputy mayor of Narok.

izabrana za zamenika gradonačelnika Naroka.

(Applause)

(aplauz)

I think what I'm trying to say here

Ono što pokušavam da kažem

is that if your end goal is security,

je da ukoliko vam je krajnji cilj sigurnost,

and if that's all you're focusing on, what ends up happening

i ako je to sve na šta se fokusirate, na kraju

is that you create not only more insecurity in other people,

ne samo što ćete stvoriti više nesigurnosti kod drugih ljudi,

but you make yourself far more insecure.

već ćete i sebe učiniti nesigurnijim.

Real security is contemplating death, not pretending it doesn't exist.

Prava sigurnost je razmišljanje o smrti, ne pretvaranje da ona ne postoji.

Not running from loss, but entering grief, surrendering to sorrow.

Ne bežanje od gubitka, već prihvatanje žalosti, predavanje tuzi.

Real security is not knowing something, when you don't know it.

Prava sigurnost je ne znati nešto, kad to ne znate.

Real security is hungering for connection rather than power.

Prava sigurnost je glad za povezivanjem, a ne za moći.

It cannot be bought or arranged or made with bombs.

Ona se ne može kupiti ili urediti ili stvoriti bombama.

It is deeper, it is a process, it is acute awareness

Ona je dublja, ona je proces, akutna svest o tome

that we are all utterly inter-bended,

da smo svi krajnje povezani

and one action by one being in one tiny town

i jedna akcija za drugom u malom gradu

has consequences everywhere.

ima svuda posledice.

Real security is not only being able

Prava sigurnost nije samo biti sposoban

to tolerate mystery, complexity, ambiguity, but hungering for them

za tolerisanje misterije, kompleksnosti, dvosmislenosti, već težnja ka njima

and only trusting a situation when they are present.

i vera u trenutnu situaciju

Something happened when I began traveling in V-Day, eight years ago. I got lost.

Pre osam godina, kada sam počela sa putovanjima, izgubila sam se.

I remember being on a plane going from Kenya to South Africa,

Sećam se da sam bila u avionu, koji je išao iz Kenije u Južnoafričku Republiku

and I had no idea where I was.

i nisam imala pojma gde sam.

I didn't know where I was going, where I'd come from,

Nisam znala kuda idem, odakle sam došla,

and I panicked. I had a total anxiety attack.

i počela sam da paničim. Imala sam anksiozni napad.

And then I suddenly realized that it absolutely didn't matter

A onda sam iznenada shvatila da uopšte nije važno

where I was going, or where I had come from

kuda idem ili odakle sam došla

because we are all essentially permanently displaced people.

jer smo mi svi suštinski večno raseljeni ljudi.

All of us are refugees.

Svi smo izbeglice.

We come from somewhere and we are hopefully traveling all the time,

Dolazimo odnekud i sa nadom putujemo sve vreme,

moving towards a new place.

krećući se ka novom mestu.

Freedom means I may not be identified as any one group,

Sloboda znači da se ne mogu identifikovati kao pripadnik bilo koje grupe,

but that I can visit and find myself in every group.

ali da mogu da posetim i pronađem se u svakoj grupi.

It does not mean that I don't have values or beliefs,

To ne znači da nemam vrednosti ili verovanja,

but it does mean I am not hardened around them.

već da nisam okoštala u njima.

I do not use them as weapons.

Ne koristim ih kao oružje.

In the shared future, it will be just that, shared.

U zajedničkoj budućnosti, ona će biti upravo to, zajednička.

The end goal will [be] becoming vulnerable,

Krajnji cilj će biti da se postane ranjiv,

realizing the place of our connection to one another,

da se razume međusobna povezanost,

rather than becoming secure, in control and alone.

a ne sigurnost, kontrola i samoća.

Thank you very much.

Hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Chris Anderson: And how are you doing? Are you exhausted?

Kris Anderson: Kako ste? Jeste li iscrpljeni?

On a typical day, do you wake up with hope or gloom?

Tipičnim danima, da li se budite sa nadom ili tugom?

Eve Ensler: You know, I think Carl Jung once said

Iv Ensler: Znate, mislim da je Karl Jung jednom rekao

that in order to survive the twentieth century,

da bi preživeli dvadeseti vek,

we have to live with two existing thoughts, opposite thoughts, at the same time.

moramo da živimo sa dve suprotstavljene misli istovremeno.

And I think part of what I'm learning in this process

Ono što učim u ovom procesu

is that one must allow oneself to feel grief.

je da svako mora sebi da dozvoli da oseti tugu.

And I think as long as I keep grieving, and weeping,

I smatram da dok god tugujem i plačem,

and then moving on, I'm fine.

i zatim nastavim dalje, dobro sam.

When I start to pretend that what I'm seeing isn't impacting me,

Kad počnem da se pretvaram da me ne dotiče ono što vidim

and isn't changing my heart, then I get in trouble.

i ne menja me, onda sam u nevolji.

Because when you spend a lot of time going from place to place,

Kada provedete mnogo vremena putujući sa jednog mesta na drugo,

country to country, and city to city,

od zemlje do zemlje, od grada do grada,

the degree to which women, for example, are violated,

stepen do kojeg su žene izložene nasilju

and the epidemic of it, and the kind of ordinariness of it,

i epidemija toga i neka vrsta uobičajenosti u tome,

is so devastating to one's soul that you have to take the time,

je tako poražavajuća za dušu da moraš da uzmeš predah

or I have to take the time now, to process that.

ili ja moram sad da predahnem, da bih to obradila.

CA: There are a lot of causes out there in the world that have been talked about,

KA: Mnogo je problema u svetu o kojima se danas govorilo,

you know, poverty, sickness and so on. You spent eight years on this one.

kao što su siromaštvo, bolesti i tako dalje. Vi ste proveli osam godina na ovom.

Why this one?

Zašto baš taj?

EE: I think that if you think about women,

IE: Ako razmislite o ženama,

women are the primary resource of the planet. They give birth,

one su primarni resurs na planeti. One rađaju,

we come from them, they are mothers, they are visionaries,

mi nastajemo od njih, one su majke, vizionari,

they are the future. If you think that the U.N. now says

one su budućnost. Ako pomislite na to da U.N. sada govori

that one out of three women on the planet

da će jedna od tri žene na planeti

will be raped or beaten in their lifetime,

biti silovana ili pretučena u toku života,

we're talking about the desecration of the primary resource of the planet,

znači da govorimo o skrnavljenju primarnog resursa planete,

we're talking about the place where we come from, we're talking about parenting.

govorimo o našoj polaznoj tački, govorimo o roditeljstvu.

Imagine that you've been raped and you're bringing up a boy child.

Zamislite da ste silovani i da podižete sina.

How does it impact your ability to work, or envision a future,

Kako to utiče na vašu sposobnost za rad, na viziju budućnosti

or thrive, as opposed to just survive? What I believe is

ili napredak, u suprotnosti od golog opstanka? Ono u šta ja verujem je da

if we could figure out how to make women safe and honor women,

ako bismo uspeli da otkrijemo kako da žene učinimo sigurnim i časnim,

it would be parallel or equal to honoring life itself.

to bi bilo paralelno ili jednako sa poštovanjem samog života.