Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality | Anil Seth | TED

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Prevodilac: Milenka Okuka Lektor: Mile Živković
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Just over a year ago,
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Pre nešto više od godinu,
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for the third time in my life, I ceased to exist.
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treći put u mom životu, prestao sam da postojim.
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I was having a small operation, and my brain was filling with anesthetic.
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Imao sam manju operaciju, a mozak mi se ispunjavao anesteticima.
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I remember a sense of detachment and falling apart
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Sećam se osećaja razdvajanja i raspadanja
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and a coldness.
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i hladnoće.
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And then I was back, drowsy and disoriented,
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A onda sam se povratio, mamuran i dezorijentisan,
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but definitely there.
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ali definitivno prisutan.
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Now, when you wake from a deep sleep,
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Sad, kad se probudite iz dubokog sna,
možete da budete zbunjeni oko vremena ili nespokojni jer ste prespavali,
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you might feel confused about the time or anxious about oversleeping,
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00:37
but there's always a basic sense of time having passed,
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ali uvek je prisutno osnovno osećanje da je prošlo vreme,
o kontinuitetu između nekad i sad.
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of a continuity between then and now.
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00:42
Coming round from anesthesia is very different.
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Buđenje iz anestezije je veoma različito.
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I could have been under for five minutes, five hours,
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Mogao sam da budem pod anestezijom pet minuta, pet sati,
pet godina ili 50 godina.
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five years or even 50 years.
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00:48
I simply wasn't there.
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Prosto nisam bio prisutan.
To je bila potpuna nesvesnost.
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It was total oblivion.
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00:52
Anesthesia -- it's a modern kind of magic.
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Anestezija - to je savremeni vid magije.
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It turns people into objects,
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Pretvara ljude u predmete,
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and then, we hope, back again into people.
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a, potom, nadamo se, ponovo u ljude.
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And in this process
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A u ovom procesu
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is one of the greatest remaining mysteries in science and philosophy.
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se nalazi jedna od najvećih preostalih tajni nauke i filozofije.
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How does consciousness happen?
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Kako dolazi do svesti?
Nekako, unutar svakog našeg uma,
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Somehow, within each of our brains,
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the combined activity of many billions of neurons,
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kombinovanom aktivnošću na milijarde neurona,
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each one a tiny biological machine,
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svaki od njih je sićušni biološki mehanizam,
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is generating a conscious experience.
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nastaje iskustvo svesti.
I to ne bilo kakvo iskustvo svesti -
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And not just any conscious experience --
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vaše iskustvo svesti baš ovde i baš sad.
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your conscious experience right here and right now.
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01:20
How does this happen?
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Kako dolazi do ovoga?
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Answering this question is so important
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Odgovor na ovo pitanje je važan
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because consciousness for each of us is all there is.
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jer je svest za sve nas sve što imamo.
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Without it there's no world,
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Bez nje nema sveta,
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there's no self,
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nema sopstva,
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there's nothing at all.
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nema ama baš ništa.
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And when we suffer, we suffer consciously
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A kada patimo, patimo svesno,
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whether it's through mental illness or pain.
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bilo zbog mentalne bolesti ili bola.
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And if we can experience joy and suffering,
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A ako možemo da iskusimo užitak i patnju,
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what about other animals?
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šta je sa drugim životinjama?
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Might they be conscious, too?
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Da li su i one svesne?
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Do they also have a sense of self?
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Da li i one imaju svest o sebi?
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And as computers get faster and smarter,
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A kako kompjuteri postaju brži i pametniji,
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maybe there will come a point, maybe not too far away,
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možda će doći do tačke, možda ne tako daleko,
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when my iPhone develops a sense of its own existence.
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kada će moj ajfon razviti svest o sopstvenom postojanju.
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I actually think the prospects for a conscious AI are pretty remote.
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Zapravo smatram da su izgledi za svesnu VI prilično daleki.
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And I think this because my research is telling me
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A ovo smatram jer mi moje istraživanje govori
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that consciousness has less to do with pure intelligence
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da svesnost ima manje veze sa čistom inteligencijom,
a mnogo više sa našom prirodom živih organizama koji dišu.
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and more to do with our nature as living and breathing organisms.
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02:09
Consciousness and intelligence are very different things.
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Svesnost i inteligencija su veoma različite stvari.
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You don't have to be smart to suffer, but you probably do have to be alive.
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Pamet nije nužna za patnju, ali verovatno jeste za preživljavanje.
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In the story I'm going to tell you,
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U priči koju ću da vam ispričam
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our conscious experiences of the world around us,
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naša iskustva svesti o svetu oko nas
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and of ourselves within it,
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i o nama u njemu
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are kinds of controlled hallucinations
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su vidovi kontrolisanih halucinacija
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that happen with, through and because of our living bodies.
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koje se dešavaju uz pomoć, preko i zbog naših živih tela.
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Now, you might have heard that we know nothing
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Sad, možda ste čuli da ne znamo bilo šta
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about how the brain and body give rise to consciousness.
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o tome kako mozak i telo tvore svesnost.
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Some people even say it's beyond the reach of science altogether.
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Neki ljudi čak kažu da je to van dometa nauke uopšte.
Međutim,
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But in fact,
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the last 25 years have seen an explosion of scientific work in this area.
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poslednjih 25 godina smo videli eksploziju naučnog rada u ovoj oblasti.
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If you come to my lab at the University of Sussex,
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Ako posetite moju laboratoriju na Univerzitetu Soseks,
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you'll find scientists from all different disciplines
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zateći ćete naučnike iz raznih disciplina,
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and sometimes even philosophers.
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a ponekad čak i filozofe.
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All of us together trying to understand how consciousness happens
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Svi mi zajedno pokušavamo da razumemo kako dolazi do svesnosti
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and what happens when it goes wrong.
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i šta se dešava kada krene po zlu.
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And the strategy is very simple.
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A strategija je veoma jednostavna.
Želeo bih da razmišljate o svesnosti
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I'd like you to think about consciousness
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na način na koji razmišljamo o životu.
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in the way that we've come to think about life.
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At one time, people thought the property of being alive
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Nekada su ljudi mislili da je svojstvo postojanja
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could not be explained by physics and chemistry --
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neobjašnjivo putem fizike i hemije -
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that life had to be more than just mechanism.
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da život mora da bude više od pukog mehanizma.
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But people no longer think that.
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Međutim, ljudi više tako ne misle.
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As biologists got on with the job
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Kako biolozi nastavljaju da rade
na objašnjavanju svojstava živih sistema,
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of explaining the properties of living systems
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in terms of physics and chemistry --
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u smislu fizike i hemije -
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things like metabolism, reproduction, homeostasis --
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stvari poput metabolizma, razmnožavanja, homeostaze -
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the basic mystery of what life is started to fade away,
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osnovna tajna toga šta je život je počela da bledi
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and people didn't propose any more magical solutions,
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i ljudi više nisu predlagali magična rešenja,
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like a force of life or an élan vital.
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poput snage života ili élan vital.
Kako sa životom, tako i sa svesnošću.
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So as with life, so with consciousness.
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03:37
Once we start explaining its properties
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Čim počnemo da objašnjavamo njena svojstva,
u smislu onoga što se dešava unutar mozgova i tela,
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in terms of things happening inside brains and bodies,
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the apparently insoluble mystery of what consciousness is
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naoko nerešiva tajna toga šta je svesnost
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should start to fade away.
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bi trebalo da počne da bledi.
Barem je to plan.
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At least that's the plan.
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03:51
So let's get started.
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Pa, počnimo.
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What are the properties of consciousness?
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Šta su svojstva svesnosti?
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What should a science of consciousness try to explain?
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Šta bi trebalo nauka o svesnosti da pokuša da objasni?
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Well, for today I'd just like to think of consciousness in two different ways.
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Pa, za danas bih voleo da mislim o svesnosti na dva različita načina.
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There are experiences of the world around us,
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Postoje iskustva o svetu oko nas,
ispunjena prizorima, zvucima i mirisima,
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full of sights, sounds and smells,
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there's multisensory, panoramic, 3D, fully immersive inner movie.
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imamo višesenzorni, panoramski, 3D, potpuno opčinjavajući unutrašnji film.
A potom imamo svesnog sebe.
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And then there's conscious self.
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Specifično iskustvo postojanja kao vi ili kao ja.
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The specific experience of being you or being me.
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04:15
The lead character in this inner movie,
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Glavni lik u ovom unutrašnjem filmu,
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and probably the aspect of consciousness we all cling to most tightly.
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i verovatno je to aspekt svesnosti koga se najčvršće držimo.
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Let's start with experiences of the world around us,
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Počnimo sa iskustvom sveta oko nas,
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and with the important idea of the brain as a prediction engine.
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i to sa važnom idejom mozga kao mašine za nagađanje.
Zamislite da ste mozak.
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Imagine being a brain.
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04:30
You're locked inside a bony skull,
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Zaključani ste u koščatoj lobanji,
pokušavate da shvatite šta se dešava u spoljnom svetu.
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trying to figure what's out there in the world.
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There's no lights inside the skull. There's no sound either.
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Nema svetla unutar lobanje. Nema ni zvuka.
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All you've got to go on is streams of electrical impulses
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Sve čime se vodite su bujice električnih impulsa
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which are only indirectly related to things in the world,
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koji su samo indirektno povezani sa stvarima u svetu,
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whatever they may be.
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šta god one bile.
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So perception -- figuring out what's there --
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Dakle, percepcija - razumevanje šta postoji -
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has to be a process of informed guesswork
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mora da bude proces informisanog nagađanja
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in which the brain combines these sensory signals
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u kojem mozak kombinuje ove senzorne signale
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with its prior expectations or beliefs about the way the world is
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sa prethodnim očekivanjima ili ubeđenjima o tome kakav je svet
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to form its best guess of what caused those signals.
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da bi stvorio najbolju pretpostavku o tome šta je uzrok tim signalima.
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The brain doesn't hear sound or see light.
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Mozak ne čuje zvuk, niti vidi svetlost.
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What we perceive is its best guess of what's out there in the world.
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Mi naziremo njegovu najbolju pretpostavku toga šta se dešava u spoljnjem svetu.
Dozvolite da vam dam nekoliko primera za ovo.
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Let me give you a couple of examples of all this.
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05:12
You might have seen this illusion before,
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Možda ste već videli ovu iluziju,
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but I'd like you to think about it in a new way.
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ali želeo bih da razmislite o njoj na nov način.
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If you look at those two patches, A and B,
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Ako pogledate ove dve mrlje, A i B,
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they should look to you to be very different shades of gray, right?
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trebalo bi da vam se čine kao različite nijanse sive, zar ne?
Ali one su zapravo poptuno iste nijanse.
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But they are in fact exactly the same shade.
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A ovo mogu da ilustrujem.
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And I can illustrate this.
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05:27
If I put up a second version of the image here
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Ako postavim drugu verziju slike ovde
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and join the two patches with a gray-colored bar,
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i spojim dve mrlje sivo obojenom pregradom,
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you can see there's no difference.
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vidite da nema razlike.
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It's exactly the same shade of gray.
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Radi se o potpuno istoj nijansi sive.
A ako mi i dalje ne verujete,
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And if you still don't believe me,
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05:37
I'll bring the bar across and join them up.
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preneću pregradu ovamo i spojiti ih.
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It's a single colored block of gray, there's no difference at all.
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Radi se o jednoj kocki sive, uopšte nema razlike.
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This isn't any kind of magic trick.
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Ovde se ne radi o bilo kakvom triku.
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It's the same shade of gray,
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Radi se o istoj nijansi sive,
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but take it away again, and it looks different.
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ali ponovo ih udaljite, i izgledaju različito.
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So what's happening here
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Pa, ovde se dešava to
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is that the brain is using its prior expectations
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da mozak koristi ranija očekivanja
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built deeply into the circuits of the visual cortex
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koja su duboko ugrađena u tokove vizuelnog korteksa,
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that a cast shadow dims the appearance of a surface,
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da senka zamračuje izgled površine,
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so that we see B as lighter than it really is.
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te B vidimo svetlije nego što zaista jeste.
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Here's one more example,
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Evo još jednog primera,
koji pokazuje koliko brzo mozak može da koristi nova predviđanja
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which shows just how quickly the brain can use new predictions
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06:10
to change what we consciously experience.
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kako bi izmenio naše svesno iskustvo.
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Have a listen to this.
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Poslušajte ovo.
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(Distorted voice)
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(Izobličen glas)
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Sounded strange, right?
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Zvučalo je čudno, zar ne?
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Have a listen again and see if you can get anything.
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Poslušajte opet i vidite da li možete nešto da razumete.
06:23
(Distorted voice)
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(Izobličen glas)
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Still strange.
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I dalje je čudno.
Sad poslušajte ovo.
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Now listen to this.
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06:30
(Recording) Anil Seth: I think Brexit is a really terrible idea.
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(Snimak) Anil Set: Smatram da je Bregzit uistinu grozna ideja.
(Smeh)
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(Laughter)
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06:35
Which I do.
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Slažem se.
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So you heard some words there, right?
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Dakle, čuli ste tu neke reči, zar ne?
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Now listen to the first sound again. I'm just going to replay it.
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Sad poslušajte prvi zvuk opet. Prosto ću ga pustiti iznova.
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(Distorted voice)
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(Izobličen glas)
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Yeah? So you can now hear words there.
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Da? Dakle, sad možete da čujete reči.
Još jednom za sreću.
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Once more for luck.
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(Izobličen glas)
06:49
(Distorted voice)
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U redu, dakle, šta se ovde dešava?
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OK, so what's going on here?
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06:55
The remarkable thing is the sensory information coming into the brain
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Izvanredno je to što se senzorna informacija koja stiže do mozga
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hasn't changed at all.
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nije uopšte promenila.
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All that's changed is your brain's best guess
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Samo se promenila najbolja pretpostavka vašeg mozga
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of the causes of that sensory information.
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o uzroku te senzorne informacije.
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And that changes what you consciously hear.
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A to menja ono što svesno čujete.
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All this puts the brain basis of perception
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Sve ovo na bazu percepcije mozga baca
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in a bit of a different light.
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malčice drugačije svetlo.
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Instead of perception depending largely on signals coming into the brain
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Umesto da percepcija uveliko zavisi od signala koji stižu u mozak
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from the outside world,
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iz spoljnjeg sveta,
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it depends as much, if not more,
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podjednako zavisi, ako ne i više,
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on perceptual predictions flowing in the opposite direction.
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od perceptivnih predviđanja koja teku u suprotnom smeru.
Ne doživljavamo svet tek pasivno,
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We don't just passively perceive the world,
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07:28
we actively generate it.
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aktivno ga stvaramo.
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The world we experience comes as much, if not more,
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Svet koji doživljavamo podjednako, ako ne i više, dolazi
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from the inside out
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od unutra ka spolja
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as from the outside in.
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kao i spolja ka unutra.
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Let me give you one more example of perception
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Dozvolite da vam dam još jedan primer percepcije
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as this active, constructive process.
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kao tog aktivnog, konstruktivnog procesa.
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Here we've combined immersive virtual reality with image processing
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Ovde smo kombinovali živopisnu virtuelnu stvarnost i obradu slika
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to simulate the effects of overly strong perceptual predictions
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kako bismo simulirali efekte prejakih perceptualnih predviđanja
07:49
on experience.
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na iskustvo.
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In this panoramic video, we've transformed the world --
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Na ovom panoramskom snimku smo izobličili svet -
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which is in this case Sussex campus --
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u ovom slučaju to je kampus u Soseksu -
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into a psychedelic playground.
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u psihodelično igralište.
07:57
We've processed the footage using an algorithm based on Google's Deep Dream
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Obradili smo snimak upotrebom algoritma zasnovanog na Guglovom Deep Dream-u
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to simulate the effects of overly strong perceptual predictions.
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kako bismo simulirali efekte preterano jakih perceptivnih predviđanja.
08:05
In this case, to see dogs.
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U ovom slučaju da se vide psi.
08:07
And you can see this is a very strange thing.
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I vidite da se radi o veoma čudnoj stvari.
08:09
When perceptual predictions are too strong,
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Kada su perceptivna predviđanja suviše jaka,
08:11
as they are here,
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kao što i jesu ovde,
rezultati uveliko liče na nekakve halucinacije
08:13
the result looks very much like the kinds of hallucinations
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o kojima govore ljudi izmenjene svesti
08:16
people might report in altered states,
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ili čak tokom psihoze.
08:18
or perhaps even in psychosis.
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Sad, razmislite o tome na tren.
08:21
Now, think about this for a minute.
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Ako je halucinacija neki vid nekontrolisane percepcije,
08:23
If hallucination is a kind of uncontrolled perception,
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08:28
then perception right here and right now is also a kind of hallucination,
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onda je percepcija baš tu i baš sad takođe neki vid halucinacije,
08:32
but a controlled hallucination
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ali kontrolisane halucinacije
08:34
in which the brain's predictions are being reined in
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u kojoj su predviđanjima mozga ovladale
08:37
by sensory information from the world.
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senzorne informacije iz sveta.
08:40
In fact, we're all hallucinating all the time,
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Zapravo svi mi haluciniramo sve vreme,
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including right now.
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uključujući i sad.
08:44
It's just that when we agree about our hallucinations,
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Prosto se radi o tome da kad se složimo oko naših halucinacija,
08:47
we call that reality.
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to nazivamo stvarnošću.
08:49
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:53
Now I'm going to tell you that your experience of being a self,
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Sad ću da vam ispričam da vaše iskustvo sopstva,
08:56
the specific experience of being you,
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specifično iskustvo vašeg postojanja
08:58
is also a controlled hallucination generated by the brain.
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takođe je kontrolisana halucinacija koju proizvodi mozak.
09:01
This seems a very strange idea, right?
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Ovo se čini kao veoma čudna zamisao, tačno?
Da, vizuelne iluzije mi možda mogu obmanuti oči,
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Yes, visual illusions might deceive my eyes,
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09:06
but how could I be deceived about what it means to be me?
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ali kako mogu da budem obmanut kod toga šta znači biti ja?
09:10
For most of us,
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Za većinu nas
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the experience of being a person
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iskustvo toga da smo osobe
je blisko, jedinstveno i tako trajno
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is so familiar, so unified and so continuous
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da je teško ne uzeti ga olako.
09:15
that it's difficult not to take it for granted.
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09:17
But we shouldn't take it for granted.
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Ali ne bi trebalo da ga uzimamo olako.
09:19
There are in fact many different ways we experience being a self.
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Zapravo postoje razni načini na koje doživljavamo sebe.
09:22
There's the experience of having a body
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Tu je iskustvo posedovanja tela
09:24
and of being a body.
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i toga da smo telo.
Imamo iskustva doživljavanja sveta
09:26
There are experiences of perceiving the world
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09:28
from a first person point of view.
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iz tačke gledišta u prvom licu.
09:30
There are experiences of intending to do things
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Imamo iskustva pokušavanja bavljenja stvarima
09:32
and of being the cause of things that happen in the world.
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i toga da smo uzrok stvarima koje se dešavaju u svetu.
09:35
And there are experiences
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A tu su iskustva
09:36
of being a continuous and distinctive person over time,
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da smo neprekidna i karakteristična osoba u vremenu,
09:40
built from a rich set of memories and social interactions.
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sagrađena iz bogatog skupa sećanja i društvenih interakcija.
09:44
Many experiments show,
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Mnogi eksperimenti pokazuju,
09:45
and psychiatrists and neurologists know very well,
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a psihijatri i neurolozi znaju veoma dobro,
09:47
that these different ways in which we experience being a self
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da svi ti različiti načini na koje doživljavamo sebe
09:50
can all come apart.
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mogu da se razore.
09:52
What this means is the basic background experience
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Ovo znači da osnovno iskustvo iz pozadine
09:55
of being a unified self is a rather fragile construction of the brain.
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da smo jedinstveno sopstvo je krhka tvorevina mozga.
Još jedno iskustvo, koje baš kao sva druga,
10:00
Another experience, which just like all others,
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requires explanation.
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zahteva objašnjenje.
10:04
So let's return to the bodily self.
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Zato okrenimo se telesnom sopstvu.
10:06
How does the brain generate the experience of being a body
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Kako mozak proizvodi iskustvo toga da je telo
10:09
and of having a body?
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i da ima telo?
10:10
Well, just the same principles apply.
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Pa, važe potpuno isti principi.
10:12
The brain makes its best guess
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Mozak pravi najbolju pretpostavku
10:13
about what is and what is not part of its body.
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o tome šta jeste, a šta nije deo njegovog tela.
10:16
And there's a beautiful experiment in neuroscience to illustrate this.
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A postoji prelep eksperiment iz neuronauke koji ovo ilustruje.
10:20
And unlike most neuroscience experiments,
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Nasuprot većini eksperimenata iz neuronauke,
10:22
this is one you can do at home.
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ovaj možete da obavite kod kuće.
10:24
All you need is one of these.
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Samo vam je potrebno ovo.
(Smeh)
10:26
(Laughter)
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10:27
And a couple of paintbrushes.
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I nekoliko četkica.
10:30
In the rubber hand illusion,
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U iluziji sa gumenom rukom,
10:32
a person's real hand is hidden from view,
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stvarna ruka osobe je skrivena s videla,
10:34
and that fake rubber hand is placed in front of them.
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a ta lažna gumena ruka je stavljena ispred nje.
10:36
Then both hands are simultaneously stroked with a paintbrush
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Potom obe ruke istovremeno maze četkicom,
10:40
while the person stares at the fake hand.
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dok osoba zuri u lažnu ruku.
10:43
Now, for most people, after a while,
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Sad, većini ljudi, posle nekog vremena,
10:45
this leads to the very uncanny sensation
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ovo uzrokuje veoma neprirodan osećaj
10:47
that the fake hand is in fact part of their body.
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da je lažna ruka zapravo deo njihovog tela.
10:51
And the idea is that the congruence between seeing touch and feeling touch
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A zamisao je da podudarnost između viđenja dodira i osećaja dodira
10:55
on an object that looks like hand and is roughly where a hand should be,
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na predmetu koji izgleda kao ruka i otprilike je gde bi ruka trebalo da bude
11:00
is enough evidence for the brain to make its best guess
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je dovoljan dokaz za mozak da napravi najbolju pretpostavku
da je lažna ruka zapravo deo tela.
11:03
that the fake hand is in fact part of the body.
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11:06
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:15
So you can measure all kinds of clever things.
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Stoga možete da merite razne pametne stvari.
11:17
You can measure skin conductance and startle responses,
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Možete da merite provodljivost kože i zapanjene reakcije,
11:20
but there's no need.
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ali nema potrebe za tim.
Jasno je da se momak u plavom srodio sa lažnom rukom.
11:22
It's clear the guy in blue has assimilated the fake hand.
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Ovo znači da su čak i iskustva o tome šta je naše telo
11:25
This means that even experiences of what our body is
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11:28
is a kind of best guessing --
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nekakva najbolja pretpostavka -
nekakva kontrolisana halucinacija mozga.
11:30
a kind of controlled hallucination by the brain.
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11:33
There's one more thing.
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Ima još nešto.
Mi ne doživljavamo samo naša tela kao predmete iz spoljnjeg sveta,
11:36
We don't just experience our bodies as objects in the world from the outside,
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11:39
we also experience them from within.
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takođe ih doživljavamo iznutra.
11:41
We all experience the sense of being a body from the inside.
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Svi iznutra doživljavamo iskustvo telesnosti.
A senzorni signali koji stižu iz unutrašnjosti tela
11:47
And sensory signals coming from the inside of the body
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11:49
are continually telling the brain about the state of the internal organs,
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stalno obaveštavaju mozak o stanju unutrašnjih organa,
11:53
how the heart is doing, what the blood pressure is like,
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šta se dešava sa srcem, kakav je krvni pritisak,
11:56
lots of things.
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svašta nešto.
11:57
This kind of perception, which we call interoception,
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Ovaj vid percepcije, koju nazivamo interopercepcijom,
12:00
is rather overlooked.
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prilično je zanemaren.
Ali je od ključnog značaja
12:02
But it's critically important
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12:03
because perception and regulation of the internal state of the body --
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jer percepcija i regulacija unutrašnjeg stanja tela -
12:06
well, that's what keeps us alive.
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pa, to nas drži u životu.
12:09
Here's another version of the rubber hand illusion.
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Evo još jedne verzije iluzije sa gumenom rukom.
12:11
This is from our lab at Sussex.
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Iz naše laboratorije u Soseksu.
12:13
And here, people see a virtual reality version of their hand,
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A ovde ljudi vide verziju virtuelne stvarnosti njihove ruke,
12:16
which flashes red and back
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koja blešti crveno i nazad
12:18
either in time or out of time with their heartbeat.
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bilo istovremeno ili ne sa njihovim otkucajima srca.
12:21
And when it's flashing in time with their heartbeat,
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A kad blešti istovremeno sa njihovim otkucajima srca,
12:23
people have a stronger sense that it's in fact part of their body.
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ljudi imaju snažniji osećaj da je to zapravo deo njihovog tela.
12:27
So experiences of having a body are deeply grounded
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Dakle, iskustva posedovanja tela su duboko zasnovana
12:31
in perceiving our bodies from within.
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na doživljaju naših tela iznutra.
12:35
There's one last thing I want to draw your attention to,
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Na kraju želim da vam skrenem pažnju na nešto
12:38
which is that experiences of the body from the inside are very different
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a to je da su unutrašnja iskustva tela veoma različita
od iskustava o svetu oko nas.
12:42
from experiences of the world around us.
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Kad pogledam oko sebe, čini se da je svet pun predmeta -
12:44
When I look around me, the world seems full of objects --
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12:46
tables, chairs, rubber hands,
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stolovi, stolice, gumene ruke,
ljudi, skupina vas -
12:49
people, you lot --
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12:50
even my own body in the world,
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čak i sopstveno telo u svetu,
12:52
I can perceive it as an object from the outside.
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mogu da ga doživljavam kao spoljašnji predmet.
Ali moja unutrašnja iskustva tela,
12:55
But my experiences of the body from within,
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uopšte nisu takva.
12:57
they're not like that at all.
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12:58
I don't perceive my kidneys here,
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Ne osećam da su mi bubrezi tu,
13:00
my liver here,
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jetra tu,
13:02
my spleen ...
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slezina...
13:03
I don't know where my spleen is,
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Pojma nemam gde mi je slezina,
13:05
but it's somewhere.
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ali negde jeste.
13:06
I don't perceive my insides as objects.
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Ne doživljavam delove utrobe kao predmete.
13:08
In fact, I don't experience them much at all unless they go wrong.
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Zapravo ih uopšte naročito ne doživljavam, ukoliko ne krenu po zlu.
13:13
And this is important, I think.
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A to je važno, verujem.
13:15
Perception of the internal state of the body
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Percepcija unutrašnjeg stanja tela
13:17
isn't about figuring out what's there,
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nije o tome da shvatite šta tu ima,
13:19
it's about control and regulation --
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radi se o kontroli i regulaciji -
13:21
keeping the physiological variables within the tight bounds
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održavanje fizioloških varijabli unutar strogih ograničenja
13:25
that are compatible with survival.
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koja su podudarna sa opstankom.
13:28
When the brain uses predictions to figure out what's there,
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Kada mozak koristi pretpostavke da shvati šta postoji,
13:31
we perceive objects as the causes of sensations.
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doživljavamo predmete kao uzroke osećanja.
13:34
When the brain uses predictions to control and regulate things,
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Kada mozak koristi pretpostavke da kontroliše i reguliše stvari,
13:38
we experience how well or how badly that control is going.
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doživljavamo koliko dobro ili koliko loše se ta kontrola odvija.
13:41
So our most basic experiences of being a self,
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Te su naša najosnovnija iskustva sebe,
13:44
of being an embodied organism,
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toga da smo otelotvoreni organizam,
13:46
are deeply grounded in the biological mechanisms that keep us alive.
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duboko su ukorenjena u biološkim mehanizmima koji nas održavaju u životu.
13:52
And when we follow this idea all the way through,
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A kada sledimo ovu zamisao do kraja,
počinjemo da uviđamo da su sva naša svesna iskustva,
13:55
we can start to see that all of our conscious experiences,
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13:58
since they all depend on the same mechanisms of predictive perception,
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pošto sva zavise od istih mehanizama predviđajuće percepcije,
14:03
all stem from this basic drive to stay alive.
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sva izviru iz ovog osnovnog nagona za preživljavanjem.
Doživljavamo sve i sebe same
14:07
We experience the world and ourselves
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14:09
with, through and because of our living bodies.
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preko, kroz i zahvaljujući našim živim telima.
14:13
Let me bring things together step-by-step.
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Dozvolite da sve sastavim korak po korak.
14:16
What we consciously see depends
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Ono što svesno vidimo zavisi
od najboljih nagađanja mozga o tome šta ima tu.
14:18
on the brain's best guess of what's out there.
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14:20
Our experienced world comes from the inside out,
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Naše iskustvo sveta dolazi iz unutra ka spolja,
14:22
not just the outside in.
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a ne samo spolja ka unutra.
14:24
The rubber hand illusion shows that this applies to our experiences
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Iluzija sa gumenom rukom pokazuje da se ovo odnosi na sva naša iskustva
14:27
of what is and what is not our body.
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o tome šta jeste, a šta nije naše telo.
14:30
And these self-related predictions depend critically on sensory signals
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A ova nagađanja u vezi s nama zavise suštinski od senzornih signala
koji dolaze iz dubine naših tela.
14:34
coming from deep inside the body.
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14:36
And finally,
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I, naposletku,
14:37
experiences of being an embodied self are more about control and regulation
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kod iskustava da smo otelotvoreno sopstvo se više radi o kontroli i regulaciji
nego o razumevanju toga šta ima tu.
14:42
than figuring out what's there.
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14:44
So our experiences of the world around us and ourselves within it --
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Te su naša iskustva sveta oko nas i nas u njemu -
pa, radi se o vidovima kontrolisanih halucinacija
14:48
well, they're kinds of controlled hallucinations
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14:50
that have been shaped over millions of years of evolution
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koje su oblikovane milionima godina evolucije
14:53
to keep us alive in worlds full of danger and opportunity.
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kako bismo opstali u svetovima punim opasnosti i šansi.
14:56
We predict ourselves into existence.
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Nagađanjem stvaramo postojanje.
15:00
Now, I leave you with three implications of all this.
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Sad, ostavljam vas sa tri implikacije o svemu ovome.
15:03
First, just as we can misperceive the world,
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Prvo: baš kao što možemo da pogrešno doživimo svet,
15:05
we can misperceive ourselves
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možemo pogrešno i da doživimo sebe
15:07
when the mechanisms of prediction go wrong.
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kada mehanizmi nagađanja krenu po zlu.
15:09
Understanding this opens many new opportunities in psychiatry and neurology,
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Razumevanje ovoga otvara mnoge nove šanse u psihijatriji i neurologiji
jer konačno možemo da se bavimo mehanizmima,
15:14
because we can finally get at the mechanisms
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15:16
rather than just treating the symptoms
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a ne samo da lečimo simptome,
15:18
in conditions like depression and schizophrenia.
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kod stanja poput depresije i šizofrenije.
15:21
Second:
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Drugo:
15:22
what it means to be me cannot be reduced to or uploaded to
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šta znači biti ja ne može da se svede ili učita
15:26
a software program running on a robot,
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na softverski program koji pokreće robota,
15:29
however smart or sophisticated.
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koliko god bio pametan i prefinjen.
15:31
We are biological, flesh-and-blood animals
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Mi smo biološke, od krvi i mesa životinje
čija se svesna iskustva oblikuju na svim nivoima
15:34
whose conscious experiences are shaped at all levels
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15:37
by the biological mechanisms that keep us alive.
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od strane bioloških mehanizama koji nas održavaju u životu.
15:40
Just making computers smarter is not going to make them sentient.
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To što pravimo sve pametnije kompjutere, neće ih učiniti svesnim.
Konačno:
15:45
Finally,
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our own individual inner universe,
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naš individualni unutrašnji univerzum,
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our way of being conscious,
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naš vid svesnosti,
tek je jedan mogući vid svesnosti.
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is just one possible way of being conscious.
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And even human consciousness generally --
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A čak i ljudska svesnost uopšteno -
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it's just a tiny region in a vast space of possible consciousnesses.
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tek je sićušna oblast u beskrajnom prostoru mogućih svesti.
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Our individual self and worlds are unique to each of us,
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Naše individualno sopstvo i svetovi su jedinstveni za svakog od nas,
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but they're all grounded in biological mechanisms
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ali svi su zasnovani na biološkim mehanizmima
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shared with many other living creatures.
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koje delimo sa mnogim drugim živim bićima.
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Now, these are fundamental changes
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Sad, ovo su temeljne promene
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in how we understand ourselves,
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u tome kako razumemo sebe,
ali mislim da bi ih trebalo slaviti
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but I think they should be celebrated,
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because as so often in science, from Copernicus --
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jer, kao što prečesto biva u nauci, od Kopernika -
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we're not at the center of the universe --
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mi nismo u središtu univerzuma -
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to Darwin --
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preko Darvina -
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we're related to all other creatures --
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u srodstvu smo sa svim drugim bićima -
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to the present day.
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do današnjeg dana.
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With a greater sense of understanding
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Sa snažnijim osećajem razumevanja
dolazi snažnije osećanje čuđenja
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comes a greater sense of wonder,
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and a greater realization
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i snažnije uviđanje
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that we are part of and not apart from the rest of nature.
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da smo deo, da nismo odvojeni od ostatka prirode.
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And ...
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I...
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when the end of consciousness comes,
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kada dođe kraj svesnosti,
nemamo čega da se plašimo.
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there's nothing to be afraid of.
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Nothing at all.
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Baš ničega.
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Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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