Angelo Vermeulen: How to go to space, without having to go to space

Prevodilac: Aleksandar Kovačević Lektor: Mile Živković

I am multidisciplinary.

Bavim se raznim stvarima.

As a scientist, I've been a crew commander for a NASA Mars simulation last year,

Kao naučnik sam prošle godine komandovao simulacijom Marsa za NASA-u,

and as an artist, I create multicultural community art all over the planet.

a kao umetnik širom planete stvaram multikulturalne grupne radove.

And recently, I've actually been combining both.

U poslednje vreme sam uspeo da to kombinujem.

But let me first talk a little more about that NASA mission.

Prvo ću vam reći više o toj misiji za NASA-u.

This is the HI-SEAS program.

Ovo je program HI-SEAS.

HI-SEAS is a NASA-funded planetary surface analogue

Nasa ga je osnovala kao imitaciju površine

on the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii,

na vulkanu Mauna Loa na Havajima,

and it's a research program that is specifically designed

a namenjen je izučavanju uticaja

to study the effects of long-term isolation of small crews.

dugih perioda izolacije na manje svemirske posade.

I lived in this dome for four months with a crew of six,

Četiri meseca sam tu živeo sa šestočlanom posadom,

a very interesting experience, of course.

što je, naravno, vrlo zanimljivo iskustvo.

We did all kinds of research.

Istraživali smo razne stvari.

Our main research was actually a food study,

Pre svega vezano za hranu,

but apart from that food study --

ali sem tog istraživanja -

developing a new food system for astronauts living in deep space --

razvoja sistema ishrane za astronaute koji žive u svemiru -

we also did all kinds of other research.

i razne druge stvari.

We did extra-vehicular activities, as you can see here,

Išli smo na izlete vozilima, kao što vidite,

wearing mock-up space suits,

u lažnim svemirskim skafanderima,

but we also had our chores and lots of other stuff to do,

ali smo obavljali i kućne poslove i razne druge stvari,

like questionnaires at the end of every day.

recimo, popunjavali upitnike nakon svakog dana.

Busy, busy work.

Stvarno mnogo posla.

Now, as you can imagine,

Možete zamisliti

it's quite challenging to live with just a small group of people

koliko je teško živeti sa nekolicinom ljudi

in a small space for a long time.

toliko dugo na malom prostoru.

There's all kinds of psychological challenges:

Nastaju razne psihološke prepreke:

how to keep a team together in these circumstances;

kako u takvim okolnostima održati tim na okupu;

how to deal with the warping of time you start to sense

šta uraditi kad vam se poremeti

when you're living in these circumstances;

osećaj za vreme;

sleep problems that arise; etc.

pojave problemi sa spavanjem; itd.

But also we learned a lot.

Ali smo dosta i naučili.

I learned a lot about how individual crew members

Dosta sam naučio o tome kako se članovi posade

actually cope with a situation like this;

snalaze u takvim situacijama;

how you can keep a crew productive and happy,

na primer, da posada bude

for example, giving them a good deal of autonomy

produktivna i srećna tako što će dobiti

is a good trick to do that;

dosta samostalnosti;

and honestly, I learned a lot about leadership,

a iskreno, dosta sam naučio o vođstvu,

because I was a crew commander.

jer sam komandovao misijom.

So doing this mission,

Tokom ove misije

I really started thinking more deeply about our future in outer space.

sam počeo ozbiljno da razmišljam o budućnosti u svemiru.

We will venture into outer space, and we will start inhabiting outer space.

Putovaćemo u svemir i početi da ga naseljavamo.

I have no doubt about it.

U to ne sumnjam.

It might take 50 years or it might take 500 years,

Možda bude trebalo 50 ili 500 godina,

but it's going to happen nevertheless.

ali će se na kraju desiti.

So I came up with a new art project called Seeker.

Zato sam osmislio novi umetnički projekat zvani Tragač.

And the Seeker project is actually challenging communities all over the world

On je zapravo predstavljao izazov grupama širom sveta

to come up with starship prototypes

da smisle prototipe svemirskih brodova

that re-envision human habitation and survival.

i nove načine za ljudsko naseljavanje i preživljavanje.

That's the core of the project.

To je suština projekta.

Now, one important thing:

Samo da napomenem:

This is not a dystopian project.

Ne radi se o distopiji.

This is not about, "Oh my God, the world is going wrong

Nije svet otišao dođavola,

and we have to escape because we need another future somewhere else."

pa da moramo da bežimo i tražimo novo mesto.

No, no.

Ne, ne.

The project is basically inviting people

Projekat je u suštini poziv

to take a step away from earthbound constraints

da se zaborave zemaljska ograničenja

and, as such, reimagine our future.

i, u tom pogledu, zamisli budućnost.

And it's really helpful, and it works really well,

Korisno je i efektivno,

so that's really the important part of what we're doing.

a to je vrlo bitan deo onoga što radimo.

Now, in this project, I'm using a cocreation approach,

Na ovom projektu ću biti koautor,

which is a slightly different approach

što nije nešto

from what you would expect from many artists.

što se obično očekuje od umetnika.

I'm essentially dropping a basic idea into a group, into a community,

U suštini ću nekoj grupi da saopštim ideju,

people start gravitating to the idea,

koja će da privuče ljude,

and together, we shape and build the artwork.

pa ćemo zajedno da stvorimo delo.

It's a little bit like termites, really.

Zapravo pomalo liči na termite.

We just work together,

Jednostavno radimo zajedno,

and even, for example, when architects visit what we're doing,

a kad nas posete arhitekte,

sometimes they have a bit of a hard time understanding

ponekad ne mogu da razumeju

how we build without a master plan.

kako radimo bez nacrta.

We always come up with these fantastic large-scale scupltures

Uvek smišljamo ovakve fantastične ogromne skulpture

that actually we can also inhabit.

u kojima se može i živeti.

The first version was done in Belgium and Holland.

Prva verzija je nastala u Belgiji i Holandiji.

It was built with a team of almost 50 people.

Izgradio ju je tim od gotovo 50 ljudi.

This is the second iteration of that same project,

Ovo je druga verzija tog istog projekta,

but in Slovenia, in a different country,

ali u drugoj državi, Sloveniji,

and the new group was like, we're going to do the architecture differently.

a druga grupa je želela da drugačije odradi arhitektonski deo.

So they took away the architecture, they kept the base of the artwork,

Uklonili su samu građevinu, ali su zadržali osnovu

and they built an entirely new,

i preko nje gradili

much more biomorphic architecture on top of that.

po uzoru na prirodu.

And that's another crucial part of the project.

To je još jedan od ključnih delova projekta,

It's an evolving artwork, evolving architecture.

da se i umetnička i arhitektonska strana razvijaju.

This was the last version that was just presented a few weeks ago in Holland,

Pre neku nedelju je u Holandiji prikazana poslednja verzija,

which was using caravans as modules to build a starship.

kod koje su koristili kamp prikolice kao delove svemirskog broda.

We bought some second-hand caravans,

Kupili smo polovne kamp prikolice,

cut them open,

isekli ih,

and reassembled them into a starship.

i sastavili svemirski brod.

Now, when we're thinking about starships,

Kad se pominju svemirski brodovi,

we're not just approaching it as a technological challenge.

ne misli se samo na izazove tehnološke prirode.

We're really looking at it as a combination of three systems:

Zapravo se radi o kombinaciji tri sistema:

ecology, people and technology.

ekologije, ljudstva i tehnologije.

So there's always a strong ecological component in the project.

Ekologija je za svaki projekat veoma bitna stavka.

Here you can see aquaponic systems

Ovde se vidi

that are actually surrounding the astronauts,

kako akvaponički sistem okružuje astronaute,

so they're constantly in contact with part of the food that they're eating.

tako da su stalno u dodiru sa delom hrane.

Now, a very typical thing for this project

Za ovakve projekte je uobičajeno

is that we run our own isolation missions inside these art and design projects.

da unutar instalacije vodimo sopstvene izolovane misije.

We actually lock ourselves up for multiple days on end,

Više dana se zaključavamo i isprobavamo

and test what we build.

to što smo izgradili.

And this is, for example,

Na primer,

on the right hand side you can see an isolation mission

ovde se sa desne strane vidi takva misija

in the Museum of Modern Art in Ljubljana in Slovenia,

u Muzeju Moderne Umetnosti u Ljubljani u Sloveniji,

where six artists and designers locked themselves up --

prilikom koje se šest umetnika i dizajnera -

I was part of that --

uključujući i mene -

for four days inside the museum.

četiri dana zaključalo u muzeju.

And, of course, obviously, this is a very performative

Naravno, celo iskustvo liči na predstavu

and very strong experience for all of us.

i na sve nas je ostavilo jak utisak.

Now, the next version of the project is currently being developed

Sledeću verziju trenutno razvijamo

together with Camilo Rodriguez-Beltran, who is also a TED Fellow,

sa Kamilom Rodrigez-Beltranom, još jednim učenikom TED Fellows programa,

in the Atacama Desert in Chile, a magical place.

u pustinji Atakama u Čileu, zaista magičnom mestu.

First of all, it's really considered a Mars analogue.

Pre svega, zaista se smatra istovetnim Marsu.

It really does look like Mars in certain locations

Određena mesta zaista izgledaju kao Mars,

and has been used by NASA to test equipment.

i NASA je tu testirala opremu.

And it has a long history of being connected to space

Već dugo je povezano sa svemirom

through observations of the stars.

zbog posmatranja zvezda.

It's now home to ALMA,

Sada se tu nalazi ALMA,

the large telescope that's being developed there.

ogromni teleskop koji tamo grade.

But also, it's the driest location on the planet,

Uz to je najsuvlje mesto na planeti,

and that makes it extremely interesting to build our project,

i za naš projekat vrlo zanimljivo,

because suddenly, sustainability is something we have to explore fully.

jer odjednom moramo sasvim da se posvetimo održivosti.

We have no other option,

Nemamo drugog izbora,

so I'm very curious to see what's going to happen.

i zaista me zanima šta će se dogoditi.

Now, a specific thing for this particular version of the project

Ono što me kod ove konkretne verzije projekta

is that I'm very interested to see

veoma zanima je

how we can connect with the local population,

kako ćemo da se povežemo

the native population.

sa starosedeocima.

These people have been living there for a very long time

Oni tu već dosta dugo žive

and can be considered experts in sustainability,

i postali su stručnjaci za održivost,

and so I'm very interested to see what we can learn from them,

pa me zanima šta od njih možemo da naučimo,

and have an input of indigenous knowledge into space exploration.

kako da u istraživanje svemira uključimo znanje urođenika.

So we're trying to redefine how we look at our future in outer space

Pokušavamo da na budućnost u svemiru gledamo drugim očima,

by exploring integration, biology, technology and people;

koristeći integraciju, biologiju, tehnologiju i ljudstvo;

by using a cocreation approach;

stvarajući u grupama;

and by using and exploring local traditions

i uz pomoć lokalnih običaja,

and to see how we can learn from the past and integrate that into our deep future.

kako bismo znanja iz prošlosti primenili na daleku budućnost.

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

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