Angelo Vermeulen: How to go to space, without having to go to space

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืžืชืจื’ื: Ido Dekkers ืžื‘ืงืจ: Tal Dekkers
00:12
I am multidisciplinary.
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ืื ื™ ืื™ืฉ ืจื‘ ืชื—ื•ืžื™.
00:14
As a scientist, I've been a crew commander for a NASA Mars simulation last year,
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ื›ืžื“ืขืŸ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืคืงื“ ืฆื•ื•ืช ืœืกื™ืžื•ืœืฆื™ื™ืช ืžืื“ื™ื ื‘ืฉื ื” ืฉืขื‘ืจื”,
00:19
and as an artist, I create multicultural community art all over the planet.
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ื•ื›ืืžืŸ, ื™ืฆืจืชื™ ืืžื ื•ืช ืงื”ื™ืœืชื™ืช ืจื‘ ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื™ืช ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืคืœื ื˜ื”.
00:26
And recently, I've actually been combining both.
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ื•ืœืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืœืžืขืฉื”, ืฉื™ืœื‘ืชื™ ื‘ื™ื ื”ืŸ.
00:29
But let me first talk a little more about that NASA mission.
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ืื‘ืœ ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืจืืฉื™ืช ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืžืขื˜ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉื™ืžื” ืฉืœ ื ืืกื.
00:33
This is the HI-SEAS program.
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ื–ื” ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ HI-SEAS.
00:35
HI-SEAS is a NASA-funded planetary surface analogue
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HI-SEAS ื”ื•ื ืื ืœื•ื’ื™ื” ืคืœื ื˜ืจื™ืช ืžืžื•ืžื ืช ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื ืืกื
00:38
on the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii,
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ืขืœ ื”ืจ ื”ื’ืขืฉ ืžืื•ื ื” ืœื•ืื” ื‘ื”ื•ื•ืื™,
00:41
and it's a research program that is specifically designed
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ื•ื–ื• ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ืžื—ืงืจ ืฉืžืชื•ื›ื ื ืช ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“
00:44
to study the effects of long-term isolation of small crews.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ืงื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื”ืฉืคืขื•ืช ืฉืœ ื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“ ืœื˜ื•ื•ื— ืืจื•ืš ืฉืœ ืฆื•ื•ืชื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื.
00:49
I lived in this dome for four months with a crew of six,
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ื—ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื›ื™ืคื” ื”ื–ื• ืืจื‘ืขื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืขื ืฆื•ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืฉื™ืฉื”,
00:53
a very interesting experience, of course.
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ื ื™ืกื•ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ.
00:56
We did all kinds of research.
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ืขืฉื™ื ื• ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืกื•ื’ื™ื ืฉืœ ืžื—ืงืจ.
00:59
Our main research was actually a food study,
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ื”ืžื—ืงืจ ื”ืขื™ืงืจื™ ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžื—ืงืจ ืžื–ื•ืŸ,
01:01
but apart from that food study --
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ืื‘ืœ ื—ื•ืฅ ืžืžื—ืงืจ ื”ืžื–ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” --
01:03
developing a new food system for astronauts living in deep space --
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ืคื™ืชื•ื— ืžืขืจื›ืช ืžื–ื•ืŸ ื—ื“ืฉื” ืœืืกื˜ืจื•ื ืื•ื˜ื™ื ืฉื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ื—ืœืœ ื”ืขืžื•ืง --
01:07
we also did all kinds of other research.
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ืขืฉื™ื ื• ื’ื ืขื•ื“ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืกื•ื’ื™ื ืฉืœ ื—ืงืจ.
01:09
We did extra-vehicular activities, as you can see here,
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ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืจื›ื‘, ื›ืžื• ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ืคื”,
01:12
wearing mock-up space suits,
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ืœื‘ืฉื ื• ื—ืœื™ืคื•ืช ื—ืœืœ ืžื“ื•ืžื•ืช,
01:14
but we also had our chores and lots of other stuff to do,
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ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืžื˜ืœื•ืช ื•ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช,
01:17
like questionnaires at the end of every day.
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ื›ืžื• ืฉืืœื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื.
01:19
Busy, busy work.
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ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžืžืฉ ืžืžืฉ ืขืกื•ืงื™ื.
01:21
Now, as you can imagine,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื›ืžื• ืฉืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื“ืžื™ื™ืŸ,
01:23
it's quite challenging to live with just a small group of people
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ื–ื” ื“ื™ ืžืืชื’ืจ ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ืขื ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืงื˜ื ื” ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื
01:26
in a small space for a long time.
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ื‘ืžืจื—ื‘ ืžืžืฉ ืงื˜ืŸ ืœืžืฉืš ื–ืžืŸ ืืจื•ืš.
01:28
There's all kinds of psychological challenges:
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ื™ืฉ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืกื•ื’ื™ื ืฉืœ ืืชื’ืจื™ื ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื™ื:
01:31
how to keep a team together in these circumstances;
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ืื™ืš ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืฆื•ื•ืช ืžืื•ื—ื“ ื‘ืชื ืื™ื ื”ืืœื”;
01:35
how to deal with the warping of time you start to sense
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ืื™ืš ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืขื ืขื™ื•ื•ืช ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืืชื ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืœื—ื•ืฉ
01:37
when you're living in these circumstances;
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ื›ืฉืืชื ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืชื ืื™ื ื›ืืœื”;
01:40
sleep problems that arise; etc.
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ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช ืฉื™ื ื” ืฉืขื•ืœื•ืช, ื•ืขื•ื“.
01:41
But also we learned a lot.
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ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ืœืžื“ื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื”.
01:44
I learned a lot about how individual crew members
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ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขืœ ืื™ืš ื—ื‘ืจ ืฆื•ื•ืช ื™ื—ื™ื“
01:46
actually cope with a situation like this;
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ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืขื ืžืฆื‘ ื›ืžื• ื–ื”;
01:49
how you can keep a crew productive and happy,
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ืื™ืš ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืฆื•ื•ืช ืคื•ืจื” ื•ืฉืžื—,
01:52
for example, giving them a good deal of autonomy
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ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”, ืœืชืช ืœื”ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื—ื•ืคืฉ
01:55
is a good trick to do that;
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ื–ื” ื˜ืจื™ืง ื˜ื•ื‘ ืฉื™ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”;
01:57
and honestly, I learned a lot about leadership,
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ื•ื‘ื›ื ื•ืช, ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขืœ ื”ื ื”ื’ื”,
02:00
because I was a crew commander.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืคืงื“ ืฆื•ื•ืช.
02:01
So doing this mission,
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ืื– ื‘ื‘ื™ืฆื•ืข ื”ืžืฉื™ืžื” ื”ื–ื•,
02:03
I really started thinking more deeply about our future in outer space.
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ื‘ืืžืช ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืขื•ืžืง ืขืœ ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ื—ืœืœ ื”ื—ื™ืฆื•ืŸ.
02:08
We will venture into outer space, and we will start inhabiting outer space.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืฆื ืœื—ืœืœ ื”ื—ื™ืฆื•ืŸ, ื•ื ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื™ื™ืฉื‘ ืื•ืชื•.
02:12
I have no doubt about it.
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ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืกืคืง ื‘ื–ื”.
02:14
It might take 50 years or it might take 500 years,
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ื–ื” ืื•ืœื™ ื™ืงื— 50 ืฉื ื” ื•ืื•ืœื™ 500 ืฉื ื”,
02:17
but it's going to happen nevertheless.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื™ืงืจื” ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ.
02:20
So I came up with a new art project called Seeker.
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ืื– ื”ืขืœืชื™ ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ืื•ืžื ื•ืช ื—ื“ืฉ ืฉื ืงืจื ืกื™ืงืจ.
02:24
And the Seeker project is actually challenging communities all over the world
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ื•ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ืกื™ืงืจ ื”ื•ื ืœืžืขืฉื” ืœืืชื’ืจ ืงื”ื™ืœื•ืช ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœืขื•ืœื
02:28
to come up with starship prototypes
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ืœื”ืขืœื•ืช ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ืœืื‘ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก ืฉืœ ืกืคื™ื ืช ื—ืœืœ
02:31
that re-envision human habitation and survival.
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ืฉื™ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืขืœ ืกื‘ื™ื‘ืช ืžื—ื™ื” ืื ื•ืฉื™ืช ื•ื”ืฉืจื“ื•ืช.
02:34
That's the core of the project.
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ื–ื” ืœื‘ ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜.
02:36
Now, one important thing:
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ื“ ื—ืฉื•ื‘:
02:38
This is not a dystopian project.
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ื–ื” ืœื ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื“ื™ืกื˜ื•ืคื™.
02:41
This is not about, "Oh my God, the world is going wrong
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ื–ื” ืœื ื ื•ื’ืข ืœ "ืื• ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ื”ืขื•ืœื ืžืชื ื”ืœ ื ื•ืจื
02:43
and we have to escape because we need another future somewhere else."
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื— ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืขืชื™ื“ ื ื•ืกืฃ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ,"
02:47
No, no.
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ืœื, ืœื.
02:49
The project is basically inviting people
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ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ืžื–ืžื™ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื
02:51
to take a step away from earthbound constraints
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ืœืงื—ืช ืฆืขื“ ื”ืจื—ืง ืžืžื’ื‘ืœื•ืช ื›ื“ื•ืจ ื”ืืจืฅ
02:54
and, as such, reimagine our future.
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ื•ื›ืš, ืœื“ืžื™ื™ืŸ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืืช ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ืฉืœื ื•.
02:57
And it's really helpful, and it works really well,
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ื•ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžื•ืขื™ืœ ื•ืขื•ื‘ื“ ืžืžืฉ ื˜ื•ื‘,
03:00
so that's really the important part of what we're doing.
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ืื– ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ื”ื—ืœืง ื”ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื.
03:04
Now, in this project, I'm using a cocreation approach,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื‘ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืžืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื’ื™ืฉืช ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืžืฉื•ืชืคืช,
03:08
which is a slightly different approach
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ืฉื”ื™ื ื’ื™ืฉื” ืžืขื˜ ืฉื•ื ื”
03:11
from what you would expect from many artists.
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ืžืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžืฆืคื™ื ืžื”ืจื‘ื” ืืžื ื™ื.
03:13
I'm essentially dropping a basic idea into a group, into a community,
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ืื ื™ ื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ื–ื•ืจืง ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ืกื™ืกื™ ืœืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ืœืชื•ืš ืงื”ื™ืœื”,
03:17
people start gravitating to the idea,
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ืžืฉืš ืœืจืขื™ื•ืŸ,
03:20
and together, we shape and build the artwork.
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ื•ื™ื—ื“, ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืขืฆื‘ื™ื ื•ื‘ื•ื ื™ื ืืช ื”ืืžื ื•ืช.
03:23
It's a little bit like termites, really.
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ื–ื” ืžืขื˜ ื›ืžื• ื˜ืจืžื™ื˜ื™ื, ื‘ืืžืช.
03:26
We just work together,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ื™ื—ื“,
03:27
and even, for example, when architects visit what we're doing,
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ื•ืืคื™ืœื•, ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”, ื›ืฉื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื™ื ืžื‘ืงืจื™ื ืืช ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื,
03:30
sometimes they have a bit of a hard time understanding
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืงืฉื” ืœื”ื ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ
03:32
how we build without a master plan.
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ืื™ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืœื™ ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ืื‘.
03:34
We always come up with these fantastic large-scale scupltures
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืœืคืกืœื™ื ืคื ื˜ืกื˜ื™ื™ื ื‘ื’ื•ื“ืœ ื’ื“ื•ืœ
03:37
that actually we can also inhabit.
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ืฉืœืžืขืฉื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ื’ื ืœื™ื™ืฉื‘.
03:41
The first version was done in Belgium and Holland.
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ื”ื’ืจืกื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื ืขืฉืชื” ื‘ื‘ืœื’ื™ื” ื•ื”ื•ืœื ื“.
03:45
It was built with a team of almost 50 people.
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ื”ื™ื ื ื‘ื ืชื” ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืฆื•ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื›ืžืขื˜ 50 ืื ืฉื™ื.
03:47
This is the second iteration of that same project,
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ื–ืืช ื”ื’ืจืกื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืื•ืชื• ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜,
03:50
but in Slovenia, in a different country,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกืœื•ื‘ื ื™ื”, ื‘ืืจืฅ ืื—ืจืช,
03:52
and the new group was like, we're going to do the architecture differently.
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ื•ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื”ื—ื“ืฉื” ื”ื™ืชื” ื›ืื™ืœื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื” ืื—ืจืช,
03:56
So they took away the architecture, they kept the base of the artwork,
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ืื– ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”, ื”ื ืฉืžืจื• ืขืœ ื”ืืžื ื•ืช ื”ื‘ืกื™ืกื™ืช,
04:00
and they built an entirely new,
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ื•ื”ื ื‘ื ื• ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื” ื—ื“ืฉื” ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ
04:02
much more biomorphic architecture on top of that.
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ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ื™ื• ืžื•ืจืคื™ืช ืžืขืœ ื–ื”.
04:05
And that's another crucial part of the project.
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ื•ื–ื” ื—ืœืง ืขื™ืงืจื™ ื ื•ืกืฃ ืฉืœ ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜.
04:07
It's an evolving artwork, evolving architecture.
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ื–ื” ืื•ืžื ื•ืช ืื‘ื•ืœื•ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช, ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื” ืžืชืคืชื—ืช.
04:11
This was the last version that was just presented a few weeks ago in Holland,
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ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ื’ืจืกื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉืจืง ื”ื•ืฆื’ื” ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื‘ื”ื•ืœื ื“,
04:15
which was using caravans as modules to build a starship.
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ืฉื”ืฉืชืžืฉื” ื‘ืงืจื•ื•ื ื™ื ื›ื™ื—ื™ื“ื•ืช ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ื—ืœืœื™ืช.
04:19
We bought some second-hand caravans,
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ืงื ื™ื ื• ื›ืžื” ืงืจื•ื•ื ื™ื ื™ื“ ืฉื ื™ื”,
04:21
cut them open,
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ื—ืชื›ื ื• ืื•ืชื,
04:22
and reassembled them into a starship.
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ื•ื”ืจื›ื‘ื ื• ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืœื—ืœืœื™ืช.
04:25
Now, when we're thinking about starships,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืขืœ ื—ืœืœื™ืช,
04:28
we're not just approaching it as a technological challenge.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืจืง ื ื™ื’ืฉื™ื ืœื–ื” ื›ืืชื’ืจ ื˜ื›ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™.
04:31
We're really looking at it as a combination of three systems:
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืืžืช ืžื‘ื™ื˜ื™ื ื‘ื–ื” ื›ืฉื™ืœื•ื‘ ืฉืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช
04:34
ecology, people and technology.
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ืืงื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”, ืื ืฉื™ื ื•ื˜ื›ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”.
04:36
So there's always a strong ecological component in the project.
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ืื– ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ืฉ ื—ืœืง ืืงื•ืœื•ื’ื™ ื—ื–ืง ื‘ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜.
04:40
Here you can see aquaponic systems
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ื›ืืŸ ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ืืงื•ื•ืืคื•ื ื™ื•ืช
04:42
that are actually surrounding the astronauts,
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ืฉืœืžืขืฉื” ืžืงื™ืคื•ืช ืืช ื”ืืกื˜ืจื•ื ืื•ื˜ื™ื,
04:44
so they're constantly in contact with part of the food that they're eating.
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ื›ืš ืฉื”ื ื™ื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ืžื’ืข ืขื ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืื•ื›ืœ ืฉื”ื ืื•ื›ืœื™ื.
04:50
Now, a very typical thing for this project
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื“ื‘ืจ ืžืื•ื“ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืกื™ ืœืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜
04:53
is that we run our own isolation missions inside these art and design projects.
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ื–ื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื‘ืฆืขื™ื ืžืฉื™ืžื•ืช ื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“ ืžืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืื•ืžื ื•ืช ื•ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ื™ ื”ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ื”ืืœื”.
05:00
We actually lock ourselves up for multiple days on end,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœืžืขืฉื” ื ื•ืขืœื™ื ืืช ืขืฆืžื ื• ืœืžืกืคืจ ื™ืžื™ื ื›ืœ ืคืขื,
05:03
and test what we build.
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ื•ื‘ื•ื“ืงื™ื ืืช ืžื” ืฉื‘ื ื™ื ื•.
05:05
And this is, for example,
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”,
05:06
on the right hand side you can see an isolation mission
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ืžืฆื“ ื™ืžื™ืŸ ืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ืžืฉื™ืžืช ื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“
05:09
in the Museum of Modern Art in Ljubljana in Slovenia,
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ื‘ืžื•ื–ื™ืื•ืŸ ืœืื•ืžื ื•ืช ืžื•ื“ืจื ื™ืช ื‘ืœื•ื‘ืœื™ืื ื” ื‘ืกืœื•ื‘ื ื™ื”,
05:12
where six artists and designers locked themselves up --
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ืฉื ืฉื™ืฉื” ืื•ืžื ื™ื ื•ืžืขืฆื‘ื™ื ื ืขืœื• ืืช ืขืฆืžื --
05:15
I was part of that --
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ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ืœืง ืžื–ื” --
05:16
for four days inside the museum.
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ืœืืจื‘ืขื” ื™ืžื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื•ื–ื™ืื•ืŸ.
05:19
And, of course, obviously, this is a very performative
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ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื‘ื‘ืจื•ืจ, ื–ื• ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ื™ืฆื•ืขื™ืช
05:21
and very strong experience for all of us.
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ื•ืžืื•ื“ ื—ื–ืงื” ืœื›ื•ืœื ื•.
05:26
Now, the next version of the project is currently being developed
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื”ื’ืจืกื” ื”ื‘ืื” ืฉืœ ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ืžืคื•ืชื—ืช ื›ืจื’ืข
05:30
together with Camilo Rodriguez-Beltran, who is also a TED Fellow,
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ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืงืžื™ืœื• ืจื•ื“ืจื™ื’ื–-ื‘ืœื˜ืจืŸ, ืฉื’ื ื”ื•ื ืขืžื™ืช TED,
05:34
in the Atacama Desert in Chile, a magical place.
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ื‘ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืื˜ืงืžื” ื‘ืฆ'ื™ืœื”, ืžืงื•ื ืงืกื•ื.
05:38
First of all, it's really considered a Mars analogue.
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ืจืืฉื™ืช, ื”ื•ื ื‘ืืžืช ื ื—ืฉื‘ ืœืžื“ืžื” ืžืื“ื™ื.
05:41
It really does look like Mars in certain locations
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ื”ื•ื ื‘ืืžืช ื ืจืื” ื›ืžื• ืžืื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ืžื” ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช
05:44
and has been used by NASA to test equipment.
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ื•ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื ืืกื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื‘ื—ื•ืŸ ืฆื™ื•ื“.
05:48
And it has a long history of being connected to space
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื• ื”ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื” ืขืฉื™ืจื” ื‘ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื—ื•ื‘ืจ ืœื—ืœืœ
05:51
through observations of the stars.
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ื“ืจืš ืฆืคื™ื” ื‘ื›ื•ื›ื‘ื™ื.
05:53
It's now home to ALMA,
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ื”ื•ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื‘ื™ืช ืœ ALMA,
05:55
the large telescope that's being developed there.
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ื”ื˜ืœืกืงื•ืค ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉื ื‘ื ื” ืฉื.
05:59
But also, it's the driest location on the planet,
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ืื‘ืœ ื’ื, ื–ื” ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื™ื‘ืฉ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขืœ ื”ืคืœื ื˜ื”,
06:03
and that makes it extremely interesting to build our project,
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื•ืคืš ืื•ืชื• ืœืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ื‘ื• ืืช ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜,
06:06
because suddenly, sustainability is something we have to explore fully.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืคืชืื•ื, ืงื™ื™ืžื•ืช ื”ื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ืœื’ืžืจื™.
06:11
We have no other option,
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ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืื•ืคืฆื™ื” ืื—ืจืช,
06:13
so I'm very curious to see what's going to happen.
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ืื– ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืกืงืจืŸ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ื™ืงืจื”.
06:16
Now, a specific thing for this particular version of the project
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื“ื‘ืจ ืžืกื•ื™ื™ื ืœื’ืจืกื” ื”ืžืกื•ื™ื™ืžืช ืฉืœ ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”
06:20
is that I'm very interested to see
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ื”ื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืชืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืจืื•ืช
06:22
how we can connect with the local population,
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ืื™ืš ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื—ื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ืื•ื›ืœื•ืกื™ื” ื”ืžืงื•ืžื™ืช,
06:24
the native population.
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ื”ืื•ื›ืœื•ืกื™ื” ื”ื™ืœื™ื“ื™ืช.
06:25
These people have been living there for a very long time
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ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื—ื™ื• ืคื” ื‘ืžืฉืš ื–ืžืŸ ืืจื•ืš ืžืื•ื“
06:28
and can be considered experts in sustainability,
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ื•ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื—ืฉื‘ ืžื•ืžื—ื™ื ื‘ืงื™ื™ืžื•ืช,
06:31
and so I'm very interested to see what we can learn from them,
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ืื– ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืชืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืžื”ื,
06:34
and have an input of indigenous knowledge into space exploration.
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ื•ืœืงื‘ืœ ื™ื“ืข ืžืงื•ืžื™ ืœื—ืงืจ ื”ื—ืœืœ.
06:38
So we're trying to redefine how we look at our future in outer space
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ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื ืกื™ื ืœื”ื’ื“ื™ืจ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืื™ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื‘ื™ื˜ื™ื ื‘ืขืชื™ื“ ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ื—ืœืœ ื”ื—ื™ืฆื•ืŸ
06:43
by exploring integration, biology, technology and people;
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ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื—ืงืจ ืฉื™ืœื•ื‘, ื‘ื™ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”, ื˜ื›ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื” ื•ืื ืฉื™ื;
06:48
by using a cocreation approach;
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ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ื‘ื’ื™ืฉื” ืฉืœ ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืžืฉื•ืœื‘ืช;
06:50
and by using and exploring local traditions
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ื•ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ื•ื—ืงืจ ืžืกื•ืจื•ืช ืžืงื•ืžื™ื•ืช
06:54
and to see how we can learn from the past and integrate that into our deep future.
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ื•ืœืจืื•ืช ืื™ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืžื”ืขื‘ืจ ื•ืœืฉืœื‘ ืื•ืชื• ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ื”ืจื—ื•ืง.
06:58
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืœื›ื.
07:00
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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